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StarTopic Nintendo Direct Speculation |ST4| Tears of the Speculation

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Dark Cloud said:
The year of DK thank you very much
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yes please

but I think a Pokémon year with a SV definitive edition + a strong spinoff, Totk, a 2D Mario (people often underestimate how powerful this could be) could also work wonderfully. add in a Price cut if necessary and here you justify the supply increase. let's wait and see, I'm optimistic.
 
Lintendo said:
What were your Top 3 favourite Nintendo Direct?
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Probably something like this

1. 2019 February
- Open up with Mario Maker 2 and end with the dual headed beast Astral Chain and Links Awakening.

2. 2019 E3
- While not heavy on first party announcement it had the biggest of them all - The Sequel to BotW in development.

3. 2021 E3
- Metroid Dread announcement was out of this world, new trailer for Sequel to BotW and some other smaller cool stuff.
 
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I'm really starting to think that the Direct will not only be announced and then aired before the Turrican Anthology patches on Switch...
 
I have 1 wish for the direct, even if i know that the chance for it is 2%:
Give me Golden Sun 4 (or a reboot).
No need for xenoblade production cost. Keep it more of a traditional 32 bit style game with an overworld, towns, dungeons, and let it have a striking artstyle...but not chibi. For me the battle sprites where representative of the proportions and the overworld sprites where just because of limitations.
Take inspiration from Trials of mana, that game seemed to me to hit the sppt, limited beautiful world, great artstyle (obviously GS would need to have a slightly different one), etc.
 
Fire Emblem is now out so we could get a Direct any time now, but when do you guys think it will actually happen?

I'm personally thinking the week of February 6th, but I also don't think Nintendo would want to have 2 weeks with nothing to share so I'm not quite sure.
 
Some people may forget, but Nintendo has been conserving its energy for this fight and is now planning to use its powerful technique: the price-cut. They think they'll sell a lot because they will push the button to send out the PR, emails and everything to announce the price-cut before the end of this upcoming fiscal year.

Lite: €169
Regular: €249
OLED: €299

And then the games:
Tears of the Kingdom
Pikmin 4
Super Mario Sunshine 2
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat 2
Zelda Oracle of Seasons/Ages Remake
Star Fox Adventures 2
Mario Kart 8 2
Pokémon Mom & Pokémon Dad
Pokémon Sleep
Xenoblade X2

And BAM, Nintendo sells more Switches than the PS2 and DS combined.
 
I am not disappointed that we are not getting Switch 2 this year but man another year of YouTube videos "What is Nintendo thinking?" "Nintendo is doomed" "What are they doing?" "Is this gonna be Wii U situation all over again?" also I expect a lot of these kind of threads in 2023, same with: I wish that x game was running on new hardware already. Not really looking forward to this kind of stuff.
 
LukasManak22 said:
I am not disappointed that we are not getting Switch 2 this year but man another year of YouTube videos "What is Nintendo thinking?" "Nintendo is doomed" "What are they doing?" "Is this gonna be Wii U situation all over again?"
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I'm not really familiar with these youtubers, but it's gonna be hard for them to entertain this narrative with the sales figures the Switch will be getting throughout the year.
 
LukasManak22 said:
I am not disappointed that we are not getting Switch 2 this year but man another year of YouTube videos "What is Nintendo thinking?" "Nintendo is doomed" "What are they doing?" "Is this gonna be Wii U situation all over again?" also I expect a lot of these kind of threads in 2023, same with: I wish that x game was running on new hardware already. Not really looking forward to this kind of stuff.
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Yeah I'd been meaning to say something about this but I want to make sure I say it in a nuanced and helpful or constructive way because between health issues and the vibes of the forum so far this year I'd honestly considered taking either a break from here or just entering retirement.
 
MisterSpo said:
Yeah I'd been meaning to say something about this but I want to make sure I say it in a nuanced and helpful or constructive way because between health issues and the vibes of the forum so far this year I'd honestly considered taking either a break from here or just entering retirement.
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I can recommend my strategy, after my work days end and on weekends/vacations, i'm just not active here, outside of lurking a bit.
Granted, for me it's more about the family demanding their time, but it really helps recharging.
 
Ahmed said:
Pokémon Mom & Pokémon Dad
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I've heard from sources that the cover legendaries will be the protagonists mom and dad.

After getting bullied by the current champion, you run home and tell either mom or dad (depending on your version). They will then join your team and beat up the champions Pokémon. Truly wild.
 
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LukasManak22 said:
I am not disappointed that we are not getting Switch 2 this year but man another year of YouTube videos "What is Nintendo thinking?" "Nintendo is doomed" "What are they doing?" "Is this gonna be Wii U situation all over again?" also I expect a lot of these kind of threads in 2023, same with: I wish that x game was running on new hardware already. Not really looking forward to this kind of stuff.
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Even if/when we get new hardware, we get maybe a year before hardware complaints start right back up because whatever it will be, will be a handheld form factor and inevitably not just be a ps5. It's why I just stopped caring and setting discussions on that subject to ignore where I can.
 
LukasManak22 said:
I am not disappointed that we are not getting Switch 2 this year but man another year of YouTube videos "What is Nintendo thinking?" "Nintendo is doomed" "What are they doing?" "Is this gonna be Wii U situation all over again?" also I expect a lot of these kind of threads in 2023, same with: I wish that x game was running on new hardware already. Not really looking forward to this kind of stuff.
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I hope this doesn’t come off as rude, it’s not meant that way, but I really don’t get why this would be a problem. There’s always gonna be differing opinions and „stupid“ arguments, why don’t you ignore them? The fact that these videos and threads exist show that people think that way, and I don’t think that you or me have the right to deny those people and their opinions. They exist. If you want to challenge them, do so when you see a thread or comment on these videos. But I don’t see the point in trashing people because of a thing they might do in the future

Be it the hate on Arlo, DF, and other news sites, I think this forum has some kind of obsession with negative press about Nintendo, but I really don’t see a problem there.
 
LukasManak22 said:
I am not disappointed that we are not getting Switch 2 this year but man another year of YouTube videos "What is Nintendo thinking?" "Nintendo is doomed" "What are they doing?" "Is this gonna be Wii U situation all over again?" also I expect a lot of these kind of threads in 2023, same with: I wish that x game was running on new hardware already. Not really looking forward to this kind of stuff.
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That stuff will still be there inevitably, but I do think we’ll be in a much better spot following this Direct as Nintendo lays out games and plans for the year and finally shows Zelda in a more substantial way (or at least announces when they will).

We have Engage today, which I find myself more excited for than I thought I would be, but after that there is just so few titles to discuss right now given how little we know about them besides Kirby of course. Bayonetta has a demo, but that mainly teased the tone, and Zelda we know virtually nothing about. Looking further out Pikmin again we basically know nothing about and the Xenoblade expansion we only have a teaser poster to work with. The latter two I’m not sure we’ll see certainly, but those former two most definitely. I’m also looking forward to learning more about the games we don’t know about too. Even if March doesn’t have another game, April will have one. We should see June and July games for sure too.
 
Linkstrikesback said:
Even if/when we get new hardware, we get maybe a year before hardware complaints start right back up because whatever it will be, will be a handheld form factor and inevitably not just be a ps5. It's why I just stopped caring and setting discussions on that subject to ignore where I can.
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Yep, yep. I remember that, during the Switch's first year on the market, all it took was one dev saying something along the lines of "Well, we wish the Switch was a bit more powerful, but what can you do?" (and, unless I'm misremembering, it wasn't even meant in a criticizing manner, but in a "this is a handheld, so it can't compare in raw power to a home console" way) and half the internet went bananas with claims like "Nintendo fucked up again", "Even the developers are calling this thing underpowered", "Third party support is doomed", etc.
 
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Pretty bummed about the Bloomberg report. I’m worried Nintendo are putting a bit too much faith in TOTK and The Mario Movie to sell 20m units of hardware. They’ll likely prove me wrong but that seems like a lot of units to move.

On the flip side at least we should be pretty close to a Direct. A few good announcements and I’ll likely forget about new hardware until the next big report comes around.
 
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Nintendo will release the Switch OLED LEGO edition. It's body is entirely made of LEGO parts, and both the body and components comes unmounted for the owner to put everything together.
It does not come with a soldering iron or any other tool for the mounting of the electronic parts (even though they are needed), but it does come with a LEGO brick separator with the Nintendo logo.
 
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Zelda+GameCube nostalgia ports for 2023 along with the Mario movie/Super Nintendo World opening seems enough to keep the system alive.

I said in another thread but if they released a Switch bundle with Mario Odyssey+Mario Kart 8 w/DLC in time for Mario movie launch and then sold it at Super Nintendo World I’m sure that’ll move units
 
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LukasManak22 said:
I am not disappointed that we are not getting Switch 2 this year but man another year of YouTube videos "What is Nintendo thinking?" "Nintendo is doomed" "What are they doing?" "Is this gonna be Wii U situation all over again?" also I expect a lot of these kind of threads in 2023, same with: I wish that x game was running on new hardware already. Not really looking forward to this kind of stuff.
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Part of it is , that nintendo
  • failed to react on time during wiis decline
  • failed to prepare software for 3DS and Wii U
  • let the wii u hang in the second half (to prepare software for switch)

its anoying. but its not as if nitnendo always nails transitions.

but nintendo - youtube is really full of clickbait and nothing content.
 
Kane said:
Judging by the Bloomberg report, I think that Nintendo will have another blockbuster game for the holidays and it’s going to be either 2D or 3D Mario.
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The problem with this line of thinking is that not necessarily blockbuster software will help selling the system when the user base is already so big. Especially with tenthpole titles such as Zelda and Mario, chances are that the user base already have one or multiple Switches.
A price cut is about the only thing I can see pushing that needle outside of new hardware. The other one would be "blue ocean" software but the ship has sailed for the most part
 
Kane said:
Judging by the Bloomberg report, I think that Nintendo will have another blockbuster game for the holidays and it’s going to be either 2D or 3D Mario.
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Nintendo would never let the holiday season go without a major launch. Personally I'm leaning towards 2D Mario, something from NdCube, and perhaps either DK or Tomodachi also coming this year and being spread from the summer through the end of year.
 
CocaFormula said:
The problem with this line of thinking is that not necessarily blockbuster software will help selling the system when the user base is already so big. Especially with tenthpole titles such as Zelda and Mario, chances are that the user base already have one or multiple Switches.
A price cut is about the only thing I can see pushing that needle outside of new hardware. The other one would be "blue ocean" software but the ship has sailed for the most part
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I feel like the Mario movie could have a bigger impact on Switch sales then some people are expecting.
 
Aether said:
Part of it is , that nintendo
  • failed to react on time during wiis decline
  • failed to prepare software for 3DS and Wii U
  • let the wii u hang in the second half (to prepare software for switch)
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The problem with this line of thinking is that it is literally these problems which led to the Switch, the formation of EPD, and the partnerships with Nvidia, Universal, and DeNA. We haven't seen what a hardware transition looks like in the Switch era, so while it's not the case we can say everything will go swimmingly, Nintendo already took action to address the problems that afflicted the move from Wii/DS to Wii U/3DS. They juggled four different development environments for several years without the level of inward investment we're seeing in the Switch era. And sure, they left Wii U to wither, but that's because it was a functionally dead system.

Switch and the next system is the response to those problems. It remains to be seen whether Nintendo's preparations are up to scratch, but the previous transitions aren't really any indication of what will happen this time. The company structure, leadership, and development environment is all different.
 
BassForever said:
I feel like the Mario movie could have a bigger impact on Switch sales then some people are expecting.
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Reading between the lines of the Bloomberg report and I think that Nintendo themselves aren't sure how demand will hold up or be boosted by the movie.

Bloomberg say production will rise but that Nintendo will also lower production if demand isn't sufficient. In other words, Ninty don't know. The movie could be one wildcard - maybe there's a Labo-like new IP, too?
 
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MisterSpo said:
The problem with this line of thinking is that it is literally these problems which led to the Switch, the formation of EPD, and the partnerships with Nvidia, Universal, and DeNA. We haven't seen what a hardware transition looks like in the Switch era, so while it's not the case we can say everything will go swimmingly, Nintendo already took action to address the problems that afflicted the move from Wii/DS to Wii U/3DS. They juggled four different development environments for several years without the level of inward investment we're seeing in the Switch era. And sure, they left Wii U to wither, but that's because it was a functionally dead system.

Switch and the next system is the response to those problems. It remains to be seen whether Nintendo's preparations are up to scratch, but the previous transitions aren't really any indication of what will happen this time. The company structure, leadership, and development environment is all different.
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oh im with you, the whole market changed, nintendo changed, we dont know.

Im just saying, im not surprised how some are worried, especially how hard some people still try to argue with partially GC and Wii, platforms that are 3 decades removed from now, and some old patterns.
Especially if you're a nintendo fan and less of a general tech enthusiast, you may miss the differences and just compare to what you've known.

As is, it can go bad or well. i don't expect a desaster as we had. But i also think they could be to conservative in some decisions and still lose some momentum without falling ti 3DS/Wii U levels.

And its not as if the other 2 are having a great old time, Sony is struggling to get PS5s out there while having a production pipeline thats focused on less but huge games that need to sell tons, and Microsoft trying to get their own acquisitions save and caring less for hardware compared to their gamepass platform. And pc gaming did have a big downturn after the pandemic and obscene prices for graphics cards.
 
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BassForever said:
The earliest a 2D (or 3D) Mario could come out if the goal was to tie in with the movie would be to aim for the dvd/blu ray launch sometimes in the summer.
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June is Mario Month quite a lot on the Switch. Mario Movie then Zelda then 2D Mario would be one hell of a start to a financial year.
 
The problem I see with this Switch successor situation (I mean problem for Nintendo) is that the general public knows and cares a lot more about technology, graphics, PCs, fps, etc. than a few years ago, which is a good thing, and we are entering 2023 with just a portable console less powerful than other consoles which were introduced a decade ago.
The Switch is going to be fine a few years more, but I don't take for granted that a next gen console being just another Switch (the hybrid formfactor isn't something new and exciting anymore) with weak hardware is going to please the market again.

I know it is a stupid meme, but the next gen Switch being Wii U'd is something Nintendo should take very carefuly. I think we had a very similar situation 15 years ago: everybody has a DS, a Wii, a Switch and they love it, until they don't because it's too old.
 
stodesign12 said:
The problem I see with this Switch successor situation (I mean problem for Nintendo) is that the general public knows and cares a lot more about technology, graphics, PCs, fps, etc. than a few years ago, which is a good thing, and we are entering 2023 with just a portable console less powerful than other consoles which were introduced a decade ago.
The Switch is going to be fine a few years more, but I don't take for granted that a next gen console being just another Switch (the hybrid formfactor isn't something new and exciting anymore) with weak hardware is going to please the market again.
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I think you're greatly over estimating the mass market for who the Switch is doing massive numbers with.
 
Personally I think this thread would be better off focusing on the next Direct than on hardware, given there seems to be little grounds right now to assume hardware announcements are imminent or relevant to the next Direct.

Edit - just a suggestion going forward.
 
MisterSpo said:
Personally I think this thread would be better off focusing on the next Direct than on hardware, given there seems to be little grounds right now to assume hardware announcements are imminent or relevant to the next Direct.

Edit - just a suggestion going forward.
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Will the music of the TotK story trailer slap as hard as the one from BotW's 2017 Switch presentation one?
 
BassForever said:
The earliest a 2D (or 3D) Mario could come out if the goal was to tie in with the movie would be to aim for the dvd/blu ray launch sometimes in the summer.
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Thats what I’m also thinking.

And I don’t discard Tokyo DK game by more late this year or early 2024.
 
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Little kids don't even know what FPS means lmao. I was playing N64 games as a kid without a problem. This was after the Wii U came out.
 
BassForever said:
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I think you're greatly over estimating the mass market for who the Switch is doing massive numbers with.
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That's my point, nowadays the mass market actually cares about tech

MisterSpo said:
Personally I think this thread would be better off focusing on the next Direct than on hardware, given there seems to be little grounds right now to assume hardware announcements are imminent or relevant to the next Direct.

Edit - just a suggestion going forward.
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I agree, sorry, It's just that the hardware thread seems to be too technical for general thoughs like mine.
 
MisterSpo said:
Personally I think this thread would be better off focusing on the next Direct than on hardware, given there seems to be little grounds right now to assume hardware announcements are imminent or relevant to the next Direct.

Edit - just a suggestion going forward.
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I hate to say it but we're at a point where hardware is pertinent to every software move Nintendo makes.
 
MisterSpo said:
It better do or I'm not buying the game

I'm totally buying the game of course I am
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stodesign12 said:
That's my point, nowadays the mass market actually cares about tech
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You said the general public knows more about framerates, pcs, etc then it did a few years ago. I said "I wanna see the receipts" because the Switch being a massive hit would prove otherwise that people don't really care about framerates, pcs, etc, and you agreed with me.

Can you prove people care more about these things or not? If you can't it's just tales from the ass.
 
Raccoon said:
I hate to say it but we're at a point where hardware is pertinent to every software move Nintendo makes.
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I get what you mean, but I'm also having difficulty articulating what I'm getting at. Obviously I can't mandate topics for discussion, but I also feel like people should be free to chat software and what they think they'll see without being expected to take hardware into consideration, if that makes sense?
 
MisterSpo said:
I get what you mean, but I'm also having difficulty articulating what I'm getting at. Obviously I can't mandate topics for discussion, but I also feel like people should be free to chat software and what they think they'll see without being expected to take hardware into consideration, if that makes sense?
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I feel you. This shit sucks. The next two years of discourse will boil down to guessing which missing teams are stuck in Drake hell, complaining about the technical deficiencies of the games that do come out, and speculation about Nintendo restructuring into some sort of multimedia brand synergy IP licensing and management company.
 
Raccoon said:
I feel you. This shit sucks. The next two years of discourse will boil down to guessing which missing teams are stuck in Drake hell, complaining about the technical deficiencies of the games that do come out, and speculation about Nintendo restructuring into some sort of multimedia brand synergy IP licensing and management company.
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Edit - misread this, my bad. What I'm saying is that people can and should be free to avoid that discourse in here precisely because it is exhausting having to put up with it.

People shouldn't have to believe that the hardware stories are true, or that late 2024 or 2025 are the launch dates now. Truth is none of us know for sure, and none of us can really say with any certainty how what has or hasn't happened behind the scenes has affected software this year.

Discussion shouldn't be forced purely through the lens of "Nintendo's hardware is 2024/25 and software is a mess because of that".
 
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