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'Course dude. E. Gadd should absolutely get what I'm now referring too as the Pauline Treatment-wherein a side character is included in a mainline game, then gets added to even more side games outside their original side series.

E. Gadd is one of my go-to examples for characters that Mario Kart snubs but which really should be included. Nintendo Kart seems widely requested, but I do think there's a lot of room for the series to go deeper into the DK-Mario(D'Kario) 'verse, and it should do that instead. Between representation of subseries and spinoffs, characters and locations and items, with so much that can be worked with, this is the opportunity to highlight different parts of the D'Karioverse which would not be highlighted otherwise. E. Gadd could potentially be added even to the likes of Smash Bros., but I figure Mario Kart is more important for him.

And different subseries and spinoffs could definitely incorporate E. Gadd. Mario RPGs, for instance, could easily have segments where he makes sense. There's a creepy or haunted location? E. Gadd is there doing research.
I'd love to see mainline Mario start including more side series content in the mainline games. Bring back old locations reimagined for the modern day, and just generally strengthen the Mario continuity. As I said, we got that with Pauline and New Donk City in Odyssey-I want them to go even further!

Also, I prefer to call it the Donkey Kong Extended Universe (DKEU)
 
I forgot who it was but one of us was definitely Bill Trinen.
If B-Trin actually is here, I'd love to ask him some questions. Like, how did he convince Reggie to rehire him after giving his job to that kid?
man I miss the old goofy directs
 
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While I don't think these games need such radical changes to make them "worthwhile," I don't mind different, wildly disparate takes if well considered and well executed, and I understand why these IPs might be used in these ways: a major draw is the characters or overall universes, and this is a way to explore those.

I do think these new takes are often best if there's some sort of connection to the standard gameplay, and preferably it might not entirely replace that going forward. Some sort of inherited arcadey space shooter DNA would be a connection that supports using the IP, certainly, and it retains connection between the characters and the gameplay, even if the game in question is not exactly an on-rails shooter.

But the existence of subseries such as Paper Mario is usually accepted, and Kid Icarus Uprising was widely praised. And I'm glad for the existence of those.

It's a tricky subject.

It might be arbitrary but to me there's a pretty big difference between a spinoff in an established franchise with a strong foundation such as Mario and something like what's being proposed with Star Fox. I always got the feeling that people were asking for these "space opera adventures" and "furry Mass Effects" to supplant the main series. It reminds me of the Syndicate FPS and The Bureau: XCOM Declassified (before we thankfully got the Firaxis games).

As you say, it's a tricky subject. Everyone will feel differently about what part of a series' DNA should (or can) be preserved. I personally felt that Kid Icarus Uprising retained enough of the first game in its move to 3D but I also know that some people feel very differently about it. As for Star Fox, Adventures is the perfect example of something I don't want. My feelings on its merits as a game aside, it was so far removed from the previous games even young me was wondering why this was a Star Fox game in the first place. It wasn't until later that I found out that it started as something completely different and I don't think turning it into a Star Fox game was a huge benefit. I obviously get the appeal of using the characters, worlds and iconography of these Nintendo franchises in different ways but I'm not a fan of divorcing them from the gameplay of their progenitors. At that point, why not just make a new IP entirely (like Dinosaur Planet would have been)?

Ultimately, a good game is a good game but some of these "different" takes can also feel a bit forced.
 
It might be arbitrary but to me there's a pretty big difference between a spinoff in an established franchise with a strong foundation such as Mario and something like what's being proposed with Star Fox. I always got the feeling that people were asking for these "space opera adventures" and "furry Mass Effects" to supplant the main series. It reminds me of the Syndicate FPS and The Bureau: XCOM Declassified (before we thankfully got the Firaxis games).

As you say, it's a tricky subject. Everyone will feel differently about what part of a series' DNA should (or can) be preserved. I personally felt that Kid Icarus Uprising retained enough of the first game in its move to 3D but I also know that some people feel very differently about it. As for Star Fox, Adventures is the perfect example of something I don't want. My feelings on its merits as a game aside, it was so far removed from the previous games even young me was wondering why this was a Star Fox game in the first place. It wasn't until later that I found out that it started as something completely different and I don't think turning it into a Star Fox game was a huge benefit. I obviously get the appeal of using the characters, worlds and iconography of these Nintendo franchises in different ways but I'm not a fan of divorcing them from the gameplay of their progenitors. At that point, why not just make a new IP entirely (like Dinosaur Planet would have been)?

Ultimately, a good game is a good game but some of these "different" takes can also feel a bit forced.
These series are basically between a rock and a hard place. Maybe Nintendo will continue them to keep the "core based" happy.

Racers, Rail shooters already have a ceiling.
 
It could be any of us.

Even me. Or you.

Probably strestre
Well we know it's not you because I'm still demanding my Eternal Darkness.

'Course dude. E. Gadd should absolutely get what I'm now referring too as the Pauline Treatment-wherein a side character is included in a mainline game, then gets added to even more side games outside their original side series.


I'd love to see mainline Mario start including more side series content in the mainline games. Bring back old locations reimagined for the modern day, and just generally strengthen the Mario continuity. As I said, we got that with Pauline and New Donk City in Odyssey-I want them to go even further!

Also, I prefer to call it the Donkey Kong Extended Universe (DKEU)
Pauline is definitely another character who should remain a Mario staple, even if the only consistent manner is through Mario Kart.

The D'Karioverse originated when I thought to refer to the wider Donkey Kong universe but realized many people might not realize Mario spun off from it. However, being as I advocate for not deferring to the lowest known information, this is fairly hypocritical of me -- me, benevolent overlord that I am! -- and I might revert to attributing this wider universe to Donkey Kong.
The Donkey Kong Extended Universe is a fine name for that, indeed.

It might be arbitrary but to me there's a pretty big difference between a spinoff in an established franchise with a strong foundation such as Mario and something like what's being proposed with Star Fox. I always got the feeling that people were asking for these "space opera adventures" and "furry Mass Effects" to supplant the main series. It reminds me of the Syndicate FPS and The Bureau: XCOM Declassified (before we thankfully got the Firaxis games).
I definitely get that, and many of these propositions do seem to be attempts to supplant the series as we know it. I do think there's no harm in experimenting in that way, but some amount of the series' DNA should be inherited. You refer to Uprising and the dichotomy between your stance that it fits with the Kid Icarus series identity and the beliefs of others that it does not. Clearly this subject is wibbly and wobbly and fairly nebulous, and even those in agreement that new takes should retain elements of the series' DNA will often disagree whether that has been accomplished.
As for Star Fox, Adventures is the perfect example of something I don't want. My feelings on its merits as a game aside, it was so far removed from the previous games even young me was wondering why this was a Star Fox game in the first place. It wasn't until later that I found out that it started as something completely different and I don't think turning it into a Star Fox game was a huge benefit. I obviously get the appeal of using the characters, worlds and iconography of these Nintendo franchises in different ways but I'm not a fan of divorcing them from the gameplay of their progenitors. At that point, why not just make a new IP entirely (like Dinosaur Planet would have been)?
I do think this played a role in that decision:
Nintendo was prototyping a Star Fox action-adventure game before Rare's Star Fox Adventures.
Unfortunately, Adventures didn't quite thread the Star Fox DNA into its own sequencing well enough to avoid causing a split. It's a shame, as I do think there are ways it could have adhered a bit more strongly to that while still following its own action-adventure path.

(Just as an aside, as someone who never had a 3DS to play it but loves what he's seen regarding the game and would savor the opportunity to experience it, what elements did you think Uprising brought over well from previous games to connect it to their legacy? Are there ways you might see to bring these or other elements into future Kid Icarus games which might not fall into the same genre?)
 
For racers, if you're not MK, Forza or GT you're out of luck. It's kinda sad.
I admit I'm not usually much into racers, but I would love another single-played-focused racer that has a hub and story mode like Diddy Kong Racing. Seems to be an almost nonexistent game type these days.
 
I admit I'm not usually much into racers, but I would love another single-played-focused racer that has a hub and story mode like Diddy Kong Racing. Seems to be an almost nonexistent game type these days.
I wiish, for the the time MK9 is taking, it has one.
 
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Man, why does Youtube have to recommend such trashy channels like JT (BitBlock) :/

Man, I used to watch during the Wii days a decade or so ago, what a train wreck he became in so many ways.
 
Man, why does Youtube have to recommend such trashy channels like JT (BitBlock) :/

Man, I used to watch during the Wii days a decade or so ago, what a train wreck he became in so many ways.

Watches 30 seconds of game footage
Youtube: Here is a video of the ending and some videos by Nazis to go along with it!
 
Man, why does Youtube have to recommend such trashy channels like JT (BitBlock) :/

Man, I used to watch during the Wii days a decade or so ago, what a train wreck he became in so many ways.
[Looks up a video on literally anything]

YouTube: "HEY I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THEQUARTERING BEING A MANCHILD"
 
Hello, everyone, not really sure how to say this, but Pokemon: Legends is coming out in three months, and I claimed a ST! However, I was wondering if anyone wanted to work with me on that ST. because I was able to do some photoshop work today but I lack experience, so if anyone is interested in working on the Pokemon Legends ST with me, please let me know!
 
[Looks up a video on literally anything]

YouTube: "HEY I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THEQUARTERING BEING A MANCHILD"
At least I can laugh at the nonsensical ramblings of the quartering, Bitblock is just sad and....creepy.

Definitely creepy
 
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I've never seen the appeal of like, browsing YouTube for content. If you want to watch a YouTube video you'll just Google it and then exit YouTube when it's done. Right?
If you want to know true pain, try being invited to a friend's house to visit and then have them spend the entire evening insisting on showing you a bunch of youtube videos they've found since the last time you met up.
 
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I've never seen the appeal of like, browsing YouTube for content. If you want to watch a YouTube video you'll just Google it and then exit YouTube when it's done. Right?
Or just subscribe to the people that make good content, I barley look at recommended vids just my sub feed or search for something specific
 
I've been wondering. Is anyone here going to play the upcoming Danganronpa spinoff title on Switch (Ultimate Summer Camp) that comes out in December? I'm making the OT over at ERA and don't mind making it here too, but I'm curious if there's an actual audience for that game here.

I'm actually kinda excited for that game since I loved the bonus mode in DRV3 it's based on, and I would love to have an actual forum thread to talk about it, and I'm not hopeful for the ERA OT to last too long.
 
I think Kid Icarus Uprising being so different worked out in the long run because, well, no one really cared about the original KI games. They were just two oddball platformer/adventure games from 30 years ago, and neither of them were really reveared in the same way something like Star Fox 64 is today. In that sense, Sakurai had lots of freedom to do whatever with KI, because it was pretty much a blank canvas.
 
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I've been wondering. Is anyone here going to play the upcoming Danganronpa spinoff title on Switch (Ultimate Summer Camp) that comes out in December? I'm making the OT over at ERA and don't mind making it here too, but I'm curious if there's an actual audience for that game here.

I'm actually kinda excited for that game since I loved the bonus mode in DRV3 it's based on, and I would love to have an actual forum thread to talk about it, and I'm not hopeful for the ERA OT to last too long.
I’m planning to try everything. It’s my first exposure to the Danganropa series
 
I interrupt this Nintendo discussion to post a very important update:

There's a new bunny in my backyard!

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That is all, go about your business.
 
I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
 
I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
Probably some third party partnership
 
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I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
Definitely Zelda.
 
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I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
I want Geoff to do his regular "here's a trailer for something nobody saw coming," then a trailer for The Mother Trilogy on Switch. Then after the trailer the lights come back up, Reggie walks out with a hand mic, holds it out in front of him, and drops it on the stage. Then he turns and walks out without saying a word.

I have weird daydreams, I know.
 
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I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
Good question! Hmmm

Goldeneye on NSO maybe? That’d be a good place for that
 
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I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
I think I've said it before, but I think the list for "likely things Nintendo has at TGAs" is:

Varying levels of possible, but would be big and probably less likely:
  • BOTW2
  • Xenoblade 3 reveal
  • RE Outrage
  • Prime remaster reveal
  • Prime 4 tease

Much more likely:
  • Legends Arceus trailer
  • New 3rd party game of some sort
 
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I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
Followup two years ago with Xmen legends 3
 
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Can we get Namco to port the best Dragon Ball game ever made to switch, Attack of the Saiyans?

Please and thank you
 
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I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
I really do think Zelda has a chance. Honest gut feeling right now though is GoldenEye, but that's probably just recency bias speaking. I do think we'll see it and Zelda again before the end of the FY though!

It'll probably be a blindside reveal that nobody sees coming though; like every other Game Awards.
 
I really do think Zelda has a chance. Honest gut feeling right now though is GoldenEye, but that's probably just recency bias speaking. I do think we'll see it and Zelda again before the end of the FY though!
BOTW2 is a tough one for me to place. Assuming it's planned to be out Holiday 2022 (which seems most likely given what we know right now) then when do you show it again? E3 seems like the no-brainer for the big blow-the-doors-off trailer and hard push, but do you show it at either TGAs or the February Direct as more of a teaser again first, or just wait until E3?
 
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If it’s really just goldeneye then that will top 2018 for Nintendo’s worst TGA

really hoping BotW2 title drop, the original BotW had a pretty solid pre-release TGA presence
 
I'm going to be bold and suggest that it's been long enough that we could maybe get a Prime 4 teaser, but that would be very counterproductive given that it won't be out anytime soon
 
If it’s really just goldeneye then that will top 2018 for Nintendo’s worst TGA

really hoping BotW2 title drop, the original BotW had a pretty solid pre-release TGA presence
I would be more confident they'd do this if it weren't for that statement about how the "title is very linked to the game's plot/ideas/etc." we got after E3 (I'm paraphrasing that badly). Makes me think they might want to wait until they're ready to show the whole game before they reveal the title.
 
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I just started thinking it...

What Nintendo will show on the Game Awards this year (if anything) since Smash is now out of the way? Think we'll see another Bayo 3 trailer? Their options for already announced games are not that big, considering the audience..

No, I don't think they'll pull the Zelda card...
I think Zelda is the most likely...
The other highly likely one is Resident Evil Outrage.
I would say Metroid Prime Remaster but I think they'll reveal it alongside a first look at MP4, and as it's probably only coming in 2023, E3 2022 or February Direct is more likely.
The other easy would be Bayonetta 3 but I don't think they'll show it that close to the gameplay trailer as it's probably not coming until late 2022.
Splatoon 3 with a date maybe?
 
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I'm going to be bold and suggest that it's been long enough that we could maybe get a Prime 4 teaser, but that would be very counterproductive given that it won't be out anytime soon
Gotta take advantage of that Dread hype 🤘
 
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