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News BREAKING: Putin orders Russian troops to Donetsk and Luhansk, eastern Ukraine.

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This is gonna be Putin’s Iraq. Incredibly shortsighted, foolish, and cruel. Insanity, this war over nothing. People are going to die for nothing.
 
Liha said:
It will only take several days for Russia to finish the operation, let’s hope that not many people will die or suffer. All major cities and most soldiers will surrender quite fast because everything else would be stupid.
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Hundreds of people have died. This is a really weird comment.
 
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Liha said:
It will only take several days for Russia to finish the operation, let’s hope that not many people will die or suffer. All major cities and most soldiers will surrender quite fast because everything else would be stupid.
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Hundreds are dead. Possibly thousands by now. Think before you type please.
 
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Liha said:
It will only take several days for Russia to finish the operation,
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The length of time is not the issue here. Is this supposed to be reassuring?

Liha said:
let’s hope that not many people will die or suffer.
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Hundreds of people have already been killed by Putin's orders.

Liha said:
All major cities and most soldiers will surrender quite fast because everything else would be stupid.
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They have said they want to fight for their safety, and you should respect that they want to do that.
 
Bokuringo said:
This here sounds extremely concerning. I hope to god that it has nothing to do with Russia, but...

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I assume the Russians were stationed in Transnistria, so that would be eastern Moldova. I’m not sure what the reports are, but can’t be good either way.
 
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I'm watching CNN and their reporter in Kyiv is saying that russian and belarusian are both attacking ukrainian forces at the border. I must have missed the belarusian's declaration of war on Ukraine

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bellydrum said:
They have said they want to fight for their safety, and you should respect that they want to do that.
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I‘m also against this war as someone from a small neutral country in Europe (Austria) and it’s clear to me that quite a few people have died during the first wave which is a tragedy.

The best thing to do is a fast surrender, because the worst thing that could happen to a captured soldier is a short prison sentence before beeing released. There is absolutely no way Ukraine can win this.
 
This has been an absolute shit day. Not only that i got confirmation in the middle of the night, that my coughing is actually Covid and i have to go to Quarantine. That seems like the way lesser evil now, while Putin has start his mass murdering.

Putin and his supporters shall rot in hell eternally.
 
Liha said:
I‘m also against this war as someone from a small neutral country in Europe (Austria) and it’s clear to me that quite a few people have died during the first wave which is a tragedy.

The best thing to do is a fast surrender, because the worst thing that could happen to a captured soldier is a short prison sentence before beeing released. There is absolutely no way Ukraine can win this.
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Western Ukraine will never surrender and will fight to the death if they feel the need. There is a lot of historic reason for this. I’m not sure this area will be directly targeted but they have very strong pro-Ukraine mentality. I think this sentiment is probably much stronger in most places east of the Donbas now after 2014.
 
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Liha said:
I‘m also against this war as someone from a small neutral country in Europe (Austria) and it’s clear to me that quite a few people have died during the first wave which is a tragedy.

The best thing to do is a fast surrender, because the worst thing that could happen to a captured soldier is a short prison sentence before beeing released. There is absolutely no way Ukraine can win this.
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There are already dead lists and Putin told us hours ago, that he will "de- nazify" ukraine. No one is safe from this monster.
 
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Liha said:
I‘m also against this war as someone from a small neutral country in Europe (Austria) and it’s clear to me that quite a few people have died during the first wave which is a tragedy.

The best thing to do is a fast surrender, because the worst thing that could happen to a captured soldier is a short prison sentence before beeing released. There is absolutely no way Ukraine can win this.
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This is not going to happen. Right now it's definitely possible that Putin is basically aiming at ending Ukraine as a country. Also, Austria is not a neutral country in this conflict.
 
Akai said:
This is not going to happen. Right now it's definitely possible that Putin is basically aiming at ending Ukraine as a country. Also, Austria is not a neutral country in this conflict.
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Austria is no NATO member and we are neutral besides our EU membership. We have put sanctions on Russia because this invasion is a clear violation of international law which is a fact and should be punished.
 
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Awena said:
I'm watching CNN and their reporter in Kyiv is saying that russian and belarusian are both attacking ukrainian forces at the border. I must have missed the belarusian's declaration of war on Ukraine

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I knew I wasn’t wrong to feel uneasy when I heard that this dipshit Lukashenko gave a speech about “great reunifications” that would take place in 2022 in a Church this Christmas
 
I hope the Belarusian president realizes that Putin is coming for them next. Dipshit.

Edit: lol I didn't see the previous post. Apparently I'm not the only one who uses "dipshit"
 
Well, I was wrong, I wasn't expecting Putin/Russia to actually initiate full-scale conflict against Ukraine. I don't see how this is going to end up long-term because I don't even know what their goals are, they aren't going to be able to occupy all of Ukraine.
 
Liha said:
I‘m also against this war as someone from a small neutral country in Europe (Austria) and it’s clear to me that quite a few people have died during the first wave which is a tragedy.

The best thing to do is a fast surrender, because the worst thing that could happen to a captured soldier is a short prison sentence before beeing released. There is absolutely no way Ukraine can win this.
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Are you a descendant of Neville Chamberlain?

Ostia said:
This is gonna be Putin’s Iraq. Incredibly shortsighted, foolish, and cruel. Insanity, this war over nothing. People are going to die for nothing.
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I strongly disagree actually. Comparing a European country to a middle eastern one is geopolitically nonsensical. The historical and cultural variables are very crucial too. Putin is not a shortsighted or foolish person. I hope you're right, obviously. I can tell you too that Finland hopes you're right as well because they aren't NATO and Putin laments their independence as well. Who is gonna protect Finland?
Oheao said:
Well, I was wrong, I wasn't expecting Putin/Russia to actually initiate full-scale conflict against Ukraine. I don't see how this is going to end up long-term because I don't even know what their goals are, they aren't going to be able to occupy all of Ukraine.
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Look at Belarus. Who do you think runs Belarus? Lukashenko or Putin? He doesn't need to occupy all of Ukraine. He just needs to control it. This is done in numerous ways. Destabilization will be crucial here.
 
Bokuringo said:
What does she mean by that? There's more countries Putin is going to invade
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Yes. Nobody takes this kind of military action without serious expansionist plans, and he made a huge speech declaring those plans.

Europe is likely about to get thrown in to massive continent spanning conflict while the previous time is just about in living memory. Fuck
 
Linkstrikesback said:
Yes. Nobody takes this kind of military action without serious expansionist plans, and he made a huge speech declaring those plans.

Europe is likely about to get thrown in to massive continent spanning conflict while the previous time is just about in living memory. Fuck
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Hopefully Putin isn't actually that fucking dumb. He doesn't have the manpower. The only reason nobody else is getting involved is because he has nukes, Russia would lose the war in hours if he didn't have them.
 
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Hocot8 said:
Are you a descendant of Neville Chamberlain?


I strongly disagree actually. Comparing a European country to a middle eastern one is geopolitically nonsensical. The historical and cultural variables are very crucial too. Putin is not a shortsighted or foolish person. I hope you're right, obviously. I can tell you too that Finland hopes you're right as well because they aren't NATO and Putin laments their independence as well. Who is gonna protect Finland?

Look at Belarus. Who do you think runs Belarus? Lukashenko or Putin? He doesn't need to occupy all of Ukraine. He just needs to control it. This is done in numerous ways. Destabilization will be crucial here.
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I mean in terms of the rhetoric we are seeing from Russian officials regarding the conflict and the ability of Russia to hold a country the size and population of Ukraine. They are going to have an insurgency on their hands that would be difficult to manage. Occupation seems impossible.

Obviously Iraq and Ukraine are very different countries.
 
Ostia said:
I mean in terms of the rhetoric we are seeing from Russian officials regarding the conflict and the ability of Russia to hold a country the size and population of Ukraine. They are going to have an insurgency on their hands that would be difficult to manage. Occupation seems impossible.

Obviously Iraq and Ukraine are very different countries.
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Fair enough. I do think there will be insurgency but that could get into shaky waters. Who arms this insurgency? Us? Europe? It could lead to another area of issues.
 
Hocot8 said:
Fair enough. I do think there will be insurgency but that could get into shaky waters. Who arms this insurgency? Us? Europe? It could lead to another area of issues.
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Well the US has been arming Ukraine for a while now, I wouldn’t be surprised if that continued
 
They don't even have to fully occupy Ukraine. They will do what the US have done countless times and make one of Putin's puppets Ukrainian President and support him with troops and equipment.
 
Ostia said:
Well the US has been arming Ukraine for a while now, I wouldn’t be surprised if that continued
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What I mean is that Russia can argue we are arming terrorists if that were to happen. They've tried to make these assertions with Syria but it held no ground. Post this invasion, if successful, it would.
 
bellydrum said:
I highly doubt anybody is going to instigate World War 3 over this situation
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on the other hand. isnt it putin who is using the reluctance of the west to expand their territory? they started 2014 with crimea. sanctions were imposed which hurt russia but ultimately not enough. now they are attacking the rest of ukraine and may even gain more than the dombass. what comes next? poland?
MissingNo. said:
They don't even have to fully occupy Ukraine. They will do what the US have done countless times and make one of Putin's puppets Ukrainian President and support him with troops and equipment.
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they did exactly that before 2014 and the ukrain citizens said no. its doubtful that ukraines will accept another janukovic
 
Photon Rush said:
they did exactly that before 2014 and the ukrain citizens said no. its doubtful that ukraines will accept another janukovic
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Putin has done everything to continue to destabilise Ukraine since Maidan. Annexation of Crimea, support of separatists in eastern Ukraine. Now Russia is attacking strategic locations all over Ukraine. They will absolutely go for it. Whether it will ultimately be successful or not is beside the point when blood is being shed regardless.
 
eli said:
Russian apologists should not have a place on this forum.
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My speach from the beginning. Sure you can argue about the mistakes of the west. But no one but Putin is responsible for the mass murdering and this facist attack on europe.

Everyone who knows me can tell you that im a peaceful person. This is, until you point a gun at me. And this is exactly, what i feel those days.I have no mercy for this russian Soldiers until they ceasefire.
 
Sanctions of the highest magnitude should have been enacted a while ago. Putin is a lunatic and hopefully world leaders are disillusioned now after going with the blind hope of diplomacy.

If developing countries want the world to be a better place, we will have to make sacrifices. We didn't and still don't make any sacrifices for the countless other humane atrocities around the world, hopefully this being next to European borders will wake us up a little.
 
Horrible, terrible news.
Once again, Putin just does whatever he wants to do, as crazy, nonsensical and cynical as it can be.

I wonder what the usual conspiracy theorists are saying about this situation.
 










Bleeping Computer: New data-wiping malware used in destructive attacks on Ukraine

Cyber warfare being led against Ukrainian organizations, targets include banks and government organizations. It is currently unconfirmed whether these attacks can be attributed to Russian groups, but the methodology has been used by them before and, according to Bleeping Computer, this is already the second time in the last two months that the Ukraine has been the target of wipers and ransomware.
 
I think it's fairly clear that cyber attacks are the work of Russia; their plan is to attack communication infrastructure while they invade to try and hamper Ukraine's response, as well as banks and other day to day infrastructure.
 
JazzPotatoes said:
I think it's fairly clear that cyber attacks are the work of Russia; their plan is to attack communication infrastructure while they invade to try and hamper Ukraine's response, as well as banks and other day to day infrastructure.
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Oh, I have no doubt about that. The Russian government has been tolerant of cyber crime for ages, seeing how Russian hacking groups - many with alledged ties to Russian intelligence agencies such as GRU - have been credibly accused with ransomware incidents like WannaCry and NotPetya as well as the Bundestag hack of 2015.
 
I still can’t believe the crazy guy did it. Russia is in deep trouble with such a president.
 
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Holy shit he's hitting western Ukraine as well, way past any lines needed to get water to Crimea. North of Moldova it's that far from the "disputed" regions.

This might be a full invasion of the entire nation.
 
Gashead said:
Holy shit he's hitting western Ukraine as well, way past any lines needed to get water to Crimea. North of Moldova it's that far from the "disputed" regions.

This might be a full invasion of the entire nation.
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Russian forces already broke through from the north, east and south. Seems like a lot of Ukrainian forces surrendered and as it stands, Kiev will soon follow.
 
According to German TV there are yet to be verified reports about Russian troops being within 30 kms of Kiev.
 
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So he absorbs Belarus, and offers Poland part of what was Ukraine in return for land leading to Kaliningrad? Or does he just invade Poland or Lithuania to link up?
 
Gashead said:
So he absorbs Belarus, and offers Poland part of what was Ukraine in return for land leading to Kaliningrad? Or does he just invade Poland or Lithuania to link up?
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There's no way Poland is taking any sort of offer from Russia regarding Ukraine. They would be instantly kicked out of the EU, and find themselves getting sanctioned alongside Russia.
 
JazzPotatoes said:
There's no way Poland is taking any sort of offer from Russia regarding Ukraine. They would be instantly kicked out of the EU, and find themselves getting sanctioned alongside Russia.
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I know which is the worrying part. if he did all this for Crimea then what's he going to do to get there.
 
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Poland and Lithuania are both NATO members. If Russia invades either one, other member states are duty bound to assist. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is a severe escalation, and maybe Putin is prepared to trigger full-out war, but let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet.
 
What the NATO will do when Russia tries to invade a NATO member on Russian borders is a discussion for another day.
 
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