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News BREAKING: Putin orders Russian troops to Donetsk and Luhansk, eastern Ukraine.

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Fucking megalomaniac.
 
Please don't engage in this kind of fear mongering, it is not helpful -BozPaggs, Donnie, hologram, Rika
Well......

This could maybe the start of WW3.....

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Sorry everyone. It's been a particularly tough few years with current events. My mind went to the worst case scenario.
 
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Did anyone of you saw his speech where he ordered the invasion? An hour of history revinism and conspiracy theories.

He said it right into our face, that he want the borders of the UDSSR and the russian empire ( 1721-1917) back!!! He not only declared war on Ukraine, but on all of europe. Closing with, that anyone who is not accepting his terms, is responsible for a bloodbath.

He is going full Hitler- mode now. Its the speach of an absolute madman. Nothing sane about it. Even his comrades Lawrow and Co looked crumbled and terrified as they listened.....
 
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Lichtsang said:
I know I'm not in danger in Germany, but this is still so fucked up and isn't helping with my depressions one bit ...
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To be honest, i'm not sure about that in the long term. His speech was very clear, that we are his enemys. He threatened all of east europe, the baltics, former soviet states and finland, that were once part of the russian or soviet empire. And so was east germany...
 
Rainbow said:
Did anyone of you see his speech where he ordered the invasion? An hour of history revinism and conspiracy theories.

He said it right into our face, that he want the borders of the UDSSR and the russian empire ( 1721-1917) back!!! He not only declared war on Ukraine, but on all of europe. Closing with, that anyone who is not accepting his terms, is responsible for a bloodbath.

He is going full Hitler- mode now. Its the speach of an absolute madman. Nothing sane about it. Even his comrades Lawrow and Co looked crumbled and terrified as they lustened.. A Nightmare come true.
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I haven't seen any of the mainstream news media sites cover the full extent of his speech beyond the Donetsk/Luhansk situation, do you have a link to some reports on his threats against the other neighbouring countries (outside of Russia-boosting sites like RT etc.)? Thanks
 
palemire said:
I haven't seen any of the mainstream news media sites cover the full extent of his speech beyond the Donetsk/Luhansk situation, do you have a link to some reports on his threats against the other neighbouring countries (outside of Russia-boosting sites like RT etc.)? Thanks
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This is adding to my feeling of dread about the future.

Just more death and suffering for plenty of people in the short term.
 
palemire said:
I haven't seen any of the mainstream news media sites cover the full extent of his speech beyond the Donetsk/Luhansk situation, do you have a link to some reports on his threats against the other neighbouring countries (outside of Russia-boosting sites like RT etc.)? Thanks
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If I remember correctly, CNN International covered part of it, before Putin went more unhinged than when he started the speech. Mark MacKinnon from The Globe and Mail was also live tweeting translated key moments from the speech. The most noticeable of course being:




 
It is surely bad for every civilian in the ukraine, regardless on what side you are on but for everyone who is freaking out about WW3, it wont happen.

1.) Germany (EU) is energy dependend on russia.
2.) No actor wants a nuclear holocaust or equaly bad, a biowarfare.
3.) Natos military options are limited to stay behind operations and arming ukranians because ukraine is to russia what mexico is to the US. Its russias intelligence territory .
4.) The Sanctions what you see right now will not effect russia greatly because the sanctions were priced in before the annex. The FSB and Russian Military clearly knew that the sanctions are comming but did plan it anyways because it will benefit russia in the long run.


So russia has actually won the war before it even started because ukraine isnt attractive enough to let one of the first 3 points above happen. So everything, the outcry in the western media doesnt mean anything. Its just a "look we are doing something" show for their next election. Sad but the truth.
 
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Rainbow said:
To be honest, i'm not sure about that in the long term. His speech was very clear, that we are his enemys. He threatened all of east europe, the baltics, former soviet states and finland, that were once part of the russian or soviet empire. And so was east germany...
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Alright, there's no need for fear-mongering.
 
Rainbow said:
To be honest, i'm not sure about that in the long term. His speech was very clear, that we are his enemys. He threatened all of east europe, the baltics, former soviet states and finland, that were once part of the russian or soviet empire. And so was east germany...
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You have to differenciate between a speech for his nation and the diplomatic talks which are running on the backround on a political, militarily and intelligence level. So if he says that he wants annex europe, he just wants to ride the nationalism wave domesticly. Russias economy has the size of portugals. They cant annex europe. Its just talking.
 
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Tlozbj said:
If I remember correctly, CNN International covered part of it, before Putin went more unhinged than when he started the speech. Mark MacKinnon from The Globe and Mail was also live tweeting translated key moments from the speech. The most noticeable of course being:




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I’m from one of those countries that shouldn’t exist according to this imperialist megalomaniac.
 
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bellydrum said:
Alright, there's no need for fear-mongering.
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People also told me that before and sweared to me, Putin would not invade...worked well...

Why are people so naive? Putin basically told us yesterday, it' s his holy right and duty to take back the russian empire. And that he will take it back with force and blood...
 
Rainbow said:
People also told me that before and sweared to me, Putin would not invade...worked well...

Why are people so naive? Putin basically told us yesterday, it' s his holy right and duty to take back the russian empire. And that he will take it back with force and blood...
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Right, I saw that too. But that doesn't make it necessary to tell another member they're in danger.
 
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bellydrum said:
I highly doubt anybody is going to instigate World War 3 over this situation
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Everyone, especially in Europe should be well aware of what happens when you try appeasement of an expansionist dictator.

Nobody wants to instigate a world war. But without a military show of force to actually make it clear that Russia will not be allowed to keep annexing states as it wishes without serious risk of loss of life to their country, this won't end here. Like, I'm living in East Germany right now and he made it damn clear that everywhere that's ever been even temporarily under a Russian banner is his divine right.

Unless and until the west actually makes a military show of force, neither Crimea nor Ukraine will be the last place he annexes and the longer it's allowed to continue, the more difficult it will be to cause them to stop.

"The hard fact is that nothing could have arrested what has actually happened [in Austria] unless this country and other countries had been prepared to use force." : Neville Chamberlain in the lead up to what would have become WW2.


This absolutely is all goddamn shit, of course.
 
Putin shows all the signs of an aging dictator who starts to distrust everything. In earlier years he’s always been power hungry, but his current actions, yeesh. His supposed fear for western Europe and others is rather strange.

Thoughts are with the Ukrainian people.
 
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Lichtsang said:
I know I'm not in danger in Germany, but this is still so fucked up and isn't helping with my depressions one bit ...
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Maybe try taking a break from reading news? There is nothing you can do about the situation, worrying about something you have no influence on is pointless. Works for me at least when my anxieties flair up.
 
Putin knows exactly what he does and won’t change his next step no matter what. Sanctions have never worked in the past and will only result in more conflicts.
 
Sahasrahla said:
Maybe try taking a break from reading news? There is nothing you can do about the situation, worrying about something you have no influence on is pointless. Works for me at least when my anxieties flair up.
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Yeah, I'll try it, although it's not easy.
This whole month is just the worst, I really can't wait for March.
 
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News: German chancellor Olaf Scholz announces that the approval process for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline will be halted.

German Chancellor says Nord Stream 2 cannot go ahead

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that Nord Stream 2 cannot go ahead now in these crisis circumstances. He said the approval process has been halted.

Scholz also commended Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on his unwillingness to be provoked into a major conflict.
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I mean... the bloody thing should've never been started in the first place.

EDIT: For those unaware: Nord Stream 2 was a project started by the government of former chancellor Gerhard Schröder (1998 - 2005) in a joint operation with Russia to build a pipeline through the Baltic Sea to deliver natural gas directly into Germany while bypassing the countries that would be located along the land route.
 
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sir_AnGer said:
I mean... the bloody thing should've never been started in the first place.
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Sadly we're dependent on gas for heating. And this isn't that bad of an idea on paper. Even the US, who wanted us to stop with this, imports gas from Russia.
Now with what Putin is doing it should of course be stopped, but we need a new energy strategy asap.
I'm a bit impressed that we halted Nord Stream 2 tbh., didn't expect our politicians to go through with this threat.
 
Lichtsang said:
Sadly we're dependent on gas for heating. And this isn't that bad of an idea on paper. Even the US, who wanted us to stop with this, imports gas from Russia.
Now with what Putin is doing it should of course be stopped, but we need a new energy strategy asap.
I'm a bit impressed that we halted Nord Stream 2 tbh., didn't expect our politicians to go through with this threat.
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Nord Stream 2 wasn’t even in use so there is no loss for Russia or Germany besides the planning and construction costs. The pipeline was build so that Russia can skip Ukraine and keep pressure on them but this won’t be necessary If Russia installs a puppet government in Ukraine.
 
Liha said:
Nord Stream 2 wasn’t even in use so there is no loss for Russia or Germany besides the planning and construction costs. The pipeline was build so that Russia can skip Ukraine and keep pressure on them but this won’t be necessary If Russia installs a puppet government in Ukraine.
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I know it wasn't in use, but getting gas from there would've been cheaper for us, right? And we could get more. As far as I know our gas tanks aren't looking that good right now.
And with the current prices and inflation that would've been a good thing. The prices here aren't looking nice right now.
 
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Lichtsang said:
Sadly we're dependent on gas for heating. And this isn't that bad of an idea on paper. Even the US, who wanted us to stop with this, imports gas from Russia.
Now with what Putin is doing it should of course be stopped, but we need a new energy strategy asap.
I'm a bit impressed that we halted Nord Stream 2 tbh., didn't expect our politicians to go through with this threat.
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Well, maybe our former government wouldn't have. Either way, I am glad they did.
 
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Lichtsang said:
Sadly we're dependent on gas for heating. And this isn't that bad of an idea on paper. Even the US, who wanted us to stop with this, imports gas from Russia.
Now with what Putin is doing it should of course be stopped, but we need a new energy strategy asap.
I'm a bit impressed that we halted Nord Stream 2 tbh., didn't expect our politicians to go through with this threat.
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True, but I think the issue could've been avoided had we started looking into stuff like heat pumps that could potentially lower our dependency on such imports much earlier. Unfortunately, German energy politics were a mess for the last... two to three decades at this point and I hope this will make policymakers reconsider on the whole - ideally in favour of renewables, if you were to ask me.
 
sir_AnGer said:
True, but I think the issue could've been avoided had we started looking into stuff like heat pumps that could potentially lower our dependency on such imports much earlier. Unfortunately, German energy politics were a mess for the last... two to three decades at this point and I hope this will make policymakers reconsider on the whole - ideally in favour of renewables, if you were to ask me.
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One way or another, Germany is going to have to reckon with this sooner or later.

I wouldn't want to be the one who has to try and get the financing through for retrofitting 80m people's worth of housing from gas heating to electrical though, oof
 
Well the latest speech from Putin is......problematic.

Do you think he is still playing hardball? because if he isn't then i believe he is honestly preparing for war.
 
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Linkstrikesback said:
I wouldn't want to be the one who has to try and get the financing through for retrofitting 80m people's worth of housing from gas heating to electrical though, oof
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Oh, neither am I. Eventually we'll all have to come to terms with it, seeing as how even if by some miracle we can recapture CO2 eventually natural gas and crude oil resources will be exhausted.
 
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I love it how germany sold Turkey the Tanks and artellery to bomb kurdish civilians in syria and turkey and no one on german twitter said a word. But it seems like they all lose their godamn minds when it comes to ukraine. It seems like the kurds arent white enough to get the germans attention.
 
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I love it how germany sold Turkey the Tanks and artellery to bomb kurdish civilians in syria and turkey and no one on german twitter said a word. But it seems like they all lose their godamn minds when it comes to ukraine. It seems like the kurds arent white enough to get the germans attention.
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If Russia's looking to start reclaiming their puppet states, that includes half of Germany. It's fully about self preservation for Germany.
 
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This kind of inter-thread drama is antagonistic and unnecessary -blondkayvon, Donnie, hologram, Rika
JazzPotatoes said:
It surely couldn't be anything to do with the meeting bring set up on the proviso of Russia not invading Ukraine, and Russia undermining this by invading Ukraine.

No, it must be the US trying to pivot towards the war they don't have the stationed troops in the area for.

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Honest Question. Do you understand this people from the socialism thread?

I absolutely don't understand their mantras. I have absolutely no clou, what even there goal is or what this behaviour has to do with socialism. I genuinly asked. But they already told me i should go away and that they don't want to be disturbed in their bubble.

It's absolutely crystal clear, that Putin triggers a war for nationalistic- imperialism reasons. Putin going full fascist and need to be stopped. But all that's coming back in this thread is the shouting of ...but the US, but the US, but the US...

To me, it has the same vibes as to speak to a Q- Trump- Cultist or a Corona-Denier. I absolutely don't understand their objective or way of thinking. No i dont say they are Trump supporters or , just that my confusion in trying to understand them, is the same.
 
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Everyone underestimating the lengths Putin is willing to go to after he has showed time and again that he gives zero fucks has worked out splendidly, has it not.

Nobody gave a shit about Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008. Nobody gave a shit about Crimea in 2014. And now everyone is acting surprised that Putin is at it again, after his previous actions have cost him oh so dearly.
 
MissingNo. said:
Everyone underestimating the lengths Putin is willing to go to after he has showed time and again that he gives zero fucks has worked out splendidly, has it not.

Nobody gave a shit about Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 2008. Nobody gave a shit about Crimea in 2014. And now everyone is acting surprised that Putin is at it again, after his previous actions have cost him oh so dearly.
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to be fair the US sanctioned Russia after that stuff, which according to the best foreign policy experts should have stopped further aggression.
 
Brock Reiher said:
to be fair the US sanctioned Russia after that stuff, which according to the best foreign policy experts should have stopped further aggression.
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You know, maybe if the world at large hit Putin where it truly mattered, things would be different.

Maybe don't let a country with complete disregard for human rights and international law be the host of the Winter Olympics, the Football World Cup, F1 races etc. This is not solely about Russia, either. Populist regimes care about this kind of stuff, and I don't know why we keep handing it to them. Of course, I do know why. It's money.
 
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Holy fuck can Twitter shut the fuck up about Trump and actually talk about the crisis at hand? Jesus Christ. I go on Twitter looking for news and they're all talking about some dude that's no longer in office and barely has any connections to the current situation. It's annoying as fuck.
 
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Rainbow said:
Honest Question. Do you understand this people from the socialism thread?

I absolutely don't understand their mantras. I have absolutely no clou, what even there goal is or what this behaviour has to do with socialism. I genuinly asked. But they already told me i should go away and that they don't want to be disturbed in their bubble.

It's absolutely crystal clear, that Putin triggers a war for nationalistic- imperialism reasons. Putin going full fascist and need to be stopped. But all that's coming back in this thread is the shouting of ...but the US, but the US, but the US...

To me, it has the same vibes as to speak to a Q- Trump- Cultist or a Corona-Denier. I absolutely don't understand their objective or way of thinking. No i dont say they are Trump supporters or , just that my confusion in trying to understand them, is the same.
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People already explained to you why you were wrong in that thread. You stuck your fingers in your ears and didn't want to hear about the consequences of punishing Russian citizens en masse. This is basic empathy, and across both threads you have failed to demonstrate even the slightest bit of it.

www.nytimes.com

Iraq Sanctions Kill Children, U.N. Reports (Published 1995)

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As many as 576,000 Iraqi children may have died since the end of the Persian Gulf war because of economic sanctions imposed by the Security Council, according to two scientists who surveyed the country for the Food and Agriculture Organization.
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It's abhorrent, and it's not even effective. We tried to starve Cuba to death for 60 years to topple their government and it didn't do anything but breed misery and resentment.

When the US and the rest of the west go around playing cowboy doing whatever the fuck we want heedless of the consequences, atrocities happen and it is a constant and consistent pattern across the history of the last 100 years.
 
Rainbow said:
Honest Question. Do you understand this people from the socialism thread?

I absolutely don't understand their mantras. I have absolutely no clou, what even there goal is or what this behaviour has to do with socialism. I genuinly asked. But they already told me i should go away and that they don't want to be disturbed in their bubble.
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I sympathise, but that nonsense is best kept out of this thread: Best to speak to the mods if you have any specific concerns.

Monster Mash said:
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The spiel you have just posted has nothing whatsoever to do with the political sanctions that have been enacted, targeted against Russian politicians.

It is also a completely naive, and incredibly one sided take on the sanctions issue in general, in that it forces all responsibility for the outcome on the nations enforcing the sanctions, and none on the actual government of those people.

Or, to put it another way; Russia has already caused misery for thousands by invading Ukraine. It will cause the deaths of thousands if it continues. Sanctions are a response to those deaths, they are not a cause thereof.

Your argument has been that other countries should literally do nothing in the face of Ukraine being invaded: No military response, as thats Western Imperialism, and no sanctions, as thats state terrorism! This is actual moral cowardice, masquerading as some sort of concern about civilian welfare. There will be no civilian welfare for Ukrainian citizens if Russia continues to invade. The only way to stop them invading is to let them know their actions will have consequences.
 
Tensions in the thread are already high and using inflammatory language exacerbates the problem by taking focus off of the actual conversation at hand. - blondkayvon, Donnie, hologram
Monster Mash said:
When the US and the rest of the west go around playing cowboy doing whatever the fuck we want heedless of the consequences, atrocities happen and it is a constant and consistent pattern across the history of the last 100 years.
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What an utterly stupid thing to say when a country is committing an invasion of another sovereign nation right now.

You're all for a swift and comprehensive military response against Russia instead then, I take it?

You'll probably just be quick to tell me to fuck off and insult me a third time while you ignore the hard questions though.
 
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