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Discussion According to @Brazil podcast 'X do Controle' Nintendo Switch 2 will release in march 2025 - Summary updated [Eurogamer is corroborating]

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ITSMILNER said:
Out of interest, how many of you only have a Switch as your gaming platform? I think, for me, the disappointment is minimal because I also have a Steam Deck for my third party releases.
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I have Xbox one S that my friend gave me. Haven't used it besides game pass for one month.
Ps4 I've used for elden ring and .. that was 2 years ago. Buying a ps5 this year though for stuff coming this year 3rd party wise. I'm mostly fine with waiting until next year
 
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Hajeman said:
www.tweaktown.com

Nintendo Switch made $69 billion in total revenues

Nintendo has generated over $69 billion from its Switch handheld-console family of products since the first system launched in March 2017 to March 2023.
www.tweaktown.com www.tweaktown.com

I can't find the profit one. This is for Switch revenue from March 2017 - March 2023, it's got $69 Billion revenue. And Nintendo profit more than 30% from revenue each year, so you can roughly calculate
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Watch them burn all this money away with a stupid decision.
 
kasparov77 said:
hey nintendo, ive been a fan for years, and i usually buy all ur (60$ btw) games
i think if you shared like 0.001% of that with such a passionate gamer like myself, you wouldnt really miss it right? like, i mean it's only fair....

u wouldnt even notice i swear
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ITSMILNER said:
Out of interest, how many of you only have a Switch as your gaming platform? I think, for me, the disappointment is minimal because I also have a Steam Deck for my third party releases.
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Just Switch (for the most part) besides older systems (3ds, gamecube, ps3, etc.). I was gifted a series S which I've replayed a bit of Yakuza 0 recently on. No game pass. I don't see the point. Besides that I play a bit of overwatch and fall guys on the occasion. Switch is over 95 percent of my gaming time.
 
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I don’t really understand the logistics of this alleged delay tho.

Wouldn’t inventory build up and production start way in advance? Can they really stop these processes that have many outside companies involved willy nilly just because a Mario or whatever isn’t ready?

Are we sure 2025 wasn’t always the plan and all these insiders hadn’t merely assumed the 2024 release? For that matter, how would someone in third parties know it was because of first party software, why would Nintendo tell them?
 
Sander RX said:
I don’t really understand the logistics of this alleged delay tho.

Wouldn’t inventory build up and production start way in advance? Can they really stop these processes that have many outside companies involved willy nilly just because a Mario or whatever isn’t ready?

Are we sure 2025 wasn’t always the plan and all these insiders hadn’t merely assumed the 2024 release? For that matter, how would someone in third parties know it was because of first party software, why would Nintendo tell them?
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Nintendo does this all the time. Same thing happened with the 3DS (planned for holiday 2010, delayed to early-spring 2011), Switch 1 (planned for holiday 2016, delayed to March 2017), and now Switch 2 just recently, that's 3/4 of their most recent systems.

It goes way back to the 80s really, the Super NES/Super Famicom was delayed from 1989 to 1990 and took until 1991 to come to North America (imagine waiting for that). Super NES CD-ROM was delayed multiple times and then just cancelled, the N64 was delayed multiple times, 64DD delayed multiple times, etc. etc.
 
Brock Reiher said:
A performance patch for Metroid Prime 4 that shows how much better it looks than the already great Switch version would really highlight the value of the Switch 2 to people who just want to play their old Switch games. Metroid Prime Remastered shows us a Prime game on Switch can look legitimately great as-is.
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Keep in mind that this sort of tactic would likely meet only certain sorts of markets (like Famiboards and those more likely to be interested in the new hardware to start with). It's the sort of thing that would likely be overlooked by general markets, and also requires those markets to notice enough of a difference for it to matter. Besides, if someone just wants to play their old Switch games, why would they bother to shell out large sums of additional money for it? And it's probably greatly overestimating the number of people who would be interested in returning to the game for the improvements, especially so soon.

Brock Reiher said:
Remember if Switch 2 is truly backwards compatible, there's no reason to "hold for cross gen" because everything is cross gen.
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Part of this depends on what is meant by cross-gen and on what Nintendo's own cross-gen strategy might be. It doesn't seem particularly conducive to effective marketing of the cross-gen/next-gen-improvement aspect, though.

You might say everything is cross-gen, but that doesn't mean everything has -- especially intentional -- cross-gen benefits. It implies something different from backwards-compatible, and conflating the two muddied things up.

Brock Reiher said:
If you delay Metroid Prime 4 for six months, you are losing this benefit and making faithful Switch owners who faithfully waited 7 years for the Metroid Prime 4 they were promised feel cheated. [...] You are losing goodwill, losing a potential critical and sales smash hit for 2024, losing the impact of the "wow" factor when a already great looking game suddenly looks better for no/minimal cost, and gaining nothing.
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Are you, though? If they're still getting the same game, on the same system, in -- presumably, though we might never know -- roughly the same-ish time frame, are they going to be cheated? How cheated are they going to feel, and how justified do you think that would be? After all, they're getting exactly what was promised, just with the potential for improvements.

The 2024 sales hit element might have a point, but we also don't know what else might be in store or how Nintendo might project the difference to play out; it's also neglecting the possibility of a projected increase in purchasers because of the general Switch audience and those getting it for the new hardware (in addition to the reported disproportionate number that might purchase new hardware because of it -- especially if a new 2D series title is also on the horizon).

Guaraná said:
Delaying Metroid Prime 4 on purpose and deciding to only release it for Switch 2 very disrespectful from Nintendo.
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People don't seem to generally be suggesting that Nintendo will hold it back to sell only on the next console; the general thought for holding it for next-gen release is a sort of cross-gen strategy, in which it's available for both.

The question is really what sort of cross-gen strategy Nintendo might have developed. My own half-baked idea, which Nintendo would probably not do but whatever, is that Switch+ line I've mentioned before, which is specifically games that play on Switch but are upgraded on the new hardware right out of the box -- keeping production and supply lines simplified while reducing the need for customers to choose a version but also highlighting and marketing the cross-gen element.

Galgavias said:
Metroid Prime 4 has much, much more value as a launch window title for Switch 2 which can showcase its souped up visuals with cross gen across both Switch's
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Just a quick thought on this, is that polishing and optimizing the game for next hardware as well could even account for extra development time, which could put at ease the minds of people concerned about Retro.
 
Idk what's worse at this point, releasing prime 4 on the Switch which has had a shrinking active userbase since 2022 or waiting till 2025, likely not near switch 2's launch months.
 
Brock Reiher said:
A performance patch for Metroid Prime 4 that shows how much better it looks than the already great Switch version would really highlight the value of the Switch 2 to people who just want to play their old Switch games. Metroid Prime Remastered shows us a Prime game on Switch can look legitimately great as-is.

Remember if Switch 2 is truly backwards compatible, there's no reason to "hold for cross gen" because everything is cross gen. Sony didn't hold back The Last of Us Part II. The game has also already been announced for Switch, unlike say the next 3D Mario. This isn't a Wii U/BotW situation where you have to sell two different games for cross gen.
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Disagree,
A performance patch doesn't sell a game to the next generation market. A release sells a game to the next generation market. A patch sells marginal copies at best. They need a big marketing push tied to the Switch 2 to sell MP4 to the audiences of the Switch 2, otherwise it's just old news by the time it drops with "old gen" identity
 
O. W. Funnyname said:
That's where the arrogance comes from. They want to have their cake (sell Switch at a full $300-350 MSRP) and eat it too (take the crown as best-selling video game console of all time).


Another case of Nintendo's growing hubris: them thinking they can capture lightning in a bottle twice in a row by repeating the same exact tactics they employed for Switch.
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A sign of their hubris is that they want the first year of Switch 2 to have a constant release of new games?
 
Brazil said:
Cross-posting from Era, but -

I guess I should mention that, despite my not at all comprehensive knowledge of Nintendo's line-up for the year, I'm already kinda excited for what I know is coming out before next year. I understand the doomposting, but eh.
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If Nintendo manages to pull out some more good games for Switch this year, it will help soften the blow for Switch 2 being delayed. Personally I'm still hoping for those Zelda HD Remasters lol.
 
Machrider said:
Nintendo does this all the time. Same thing happened with the 3DS (planned for holiday 2010, delayed to early-spring 2011), Switch 1 (planned for holiday 2016, delayed to March 2017), and now Switch 2 just recently, that's 3/4 of their most recent systems.

It goes way back to the 80s really, the Super NES/Super Famicom was delayed from 1989 to 1990 and took until 1991 to come to North America (imagine waiting for that). Super NES CD-ROM was delayed multiple times and then just cancelled, the N64 was delayed multiple times, 64DD delayed multiple times, etc. etc.
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did we get manufacturing leaks from the switch 1 delay
 
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Nintendo said Metroid Prime 4 coming to Switch when it announced, so it must have switch version. But it doesn't mean it is switch exclusive. I probably think it is cross-gen.
 
rick_C said:
Nintendo said Metroid Prime 4 coming to Switch when it announced, so it must have switch version. But it doesn't mean it is switch exclusive. I probably think it is cross-gen.
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I think they will release the Switch 1 version this holiday, just to have something. Even if it was originally planned as cross gen.

And they'll give it a free switch 2 patch, when the hardware is out.
 
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I see we're back to umming and aahing about Metroid Prime 4 and whether it's cross gen again. Have people really forgotten that Nintendo have previously made Zelda a cross gen game on two seperate occasions? Course they're going to do the same with Prime 4. That way early adopters get a game which showcases the new system's capabilities, yet those unable to buy a Switch 2 still get to play it.

People need to stop acting like the sky is falling because Switch 2 might be having a 3-6 month delay. It sucks that this means 2024 is going to be a lean year for gaming - on all fronts seemingly - but if Nintendo need the time to cook we should probably let them. It's very difficult to recover from botched console launch. You can argue Microsoft have never really recovered from the car crash that was the Xbox One launch.
 
I say they restrict MP4 to the Successor because they know dorks like us who like that franchise will totally buy a new platform ASAP just to get our hands on it. Launching the original Switch accomplishes nothing!
 
Nintendo PLEASE burn all of your Switch earnings on a Virtual Boy successor with a new Rusty's Real Deal Baseball
 
Sander RX said:
I don’t really understand the logistics of this alleged delay tho.

Wouldn’t inventory build up and production start way in advance? Can they really stop these processes that have many outside companies involved willy nilly just because a Mario or whatever isn’t ready?

Are we sure 2025 wasn’t always the plan and all these insiders hadn’t merely assumed the 2024 release? For that matter, how would someone in third parties know it was because of first party software, why would Nintendo tell them?
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I don't think any sources are claiming the latter. But absolutely they'd have to know when launch games need be ready by. Nintendo wouldn't just be handing out dev kits and saying "You're just going to have to guess how long you have to get ready." The reporting would just plain look a lot different if this was the first date Nintendo had talked about, rather than a revision in plans.
franzen23 said:
A sign of their hubris is that they want the first year of Switch 2 to have a constant release of new games?
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Delaying just for first party software would really be the most literal version of "The generation starts when we say it does".
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Delaying just for first party software would really be the most literal version of "The generation starts when we say it does".
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"Our only console on the market is getting increasingly outdated, software sales are on a steady decline, third-parties are dropping us entirely, and even our own first-party output is now mostly remakes of games from 20+ years ago. But we don't care. The next generation starts when we say it does."
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Delaying just for first party software would really be the most literal version of "The generation starts when we say it does".
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O. W. Funnyname said:
"Our only console on the market is getting increasingly outdated, software sales are on a steady decline, third-parties are dropping us entirely, and even our own first-party output is now mostly remakes of games from 20+ years ago. But we don't care. The next generation starts when we say it does."
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Kinda sad that I joined the board right when discussion will start becoming more and more like this. This is just really uninteresting lashing out.

That's a completely incoherent read of that quote. That was an awful saying because it was talking about the competing platforms.
 
I don't think 3-4 months is going to harm third-party relations much at all.

A couple publishers will be mildly annoyed at some tricky rescheduling, but it will be fine unless Nintendo does a ton of other things to annoy third-parties.

9-12 months would be a much bigger deal if it happens, but that would be like catastrophic misjudging of their software readiness so I doubt it happens.
 
It's going to be a very long year and probably not a good one at all but hopefully we still get some more first party games that we can all look forward too and hopefully eventually we will start getting some concrete answers surrounding the Switch 2 before the year ends.

While the news of the Switch 2 being delayed internally has really brought the mood down for me personally, I do think a solid lineup of new Switch games could at least help and I know Brazil hinted at more stuff to be announced so that's cool at least. Lots of classic games I still would love to see brought over to Switch and of course new stuff is always exciting so hopefully we will get something exciting to look forward too as the upcoming schedule only has one dated game remaining and that's just like 3 weeks off.
 
Brazil said:
Kinda sad that I joined the board right when discussion will start becoming more and more like this. This is just really uninteresting lashing out.

That's a completely incoherent read of that quote. That was an awful saying because it was talking about the competing platforms.
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I'm sorry you feel this way, Brazil. :/

I'm glad Necro still participates, and Nate seemingly so. Same for Guaraná.

Thankfully, we know the next Direct is a Partners lol, so that won't be a hell of an experience.

Please stay around. Just lurk if you think it's too much.

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Also, I don't know if the OP should be updated, but it should include that no one knows the reason/s as to why Nintendo decided to delay the successor's launch. Be it software, hardware, manufacturing, contracting deals, no one knows, and I doubt third parties would know anyways.

Although 3rd Parties have experience with delayed console launches and they could infer, but again, doubt anyone outside of the Switch 2 Project team knows anything.
 
Kevin said:
I think what bothers me most about all of this is that we have been disappointed for so many years and Nintendo still won't give us any damn information at all the thing. Like they won't say shit at all for years now. It's just exhausting really. Not even a generic "We hear you" sort of comment. Just a complete "ignore the fans as always" and hey some actual new first party games would certainly soften the blow a little but Nintendo's all like, "Nah" but here is a Partner Direct with games you don't give a shit about lol.
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We’re less than 10k on a forum.

I doubt more than like 1 mil people care

Buy a new game maybe idk. It’s not like anyone here had Played every game ever, it’s good to look back just as much as it is to look forward
 
O. W. Funnyname said:
"Our only console on the market is getting increasingly outdated, software sales are on a steady decline, third-parties are dropping us entirely, and even our own first-party output is now mostly remakes of games from 20+ years ago. But we don't care. The next generation starts when we say it does."
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If they only have the one console on the market, lacking the second product line to fall back on*, shouldn't Nintendo be that much more concerned about getting their new system right? Do you think they're likely holding it off just for fun?

Even then, as sales drop, Nintendo has still revised their forecast up from what it was. The year is looking better than it did when they were making plans, and that's an encouraging thought.

Anyhow, yeah, their next generation will release when they determine either (1) it's ready or (2) they can't put it off. Other parties aren't releasing their next generation console for them, nor does one console maker determine that for another.

But I've found your line of posts in this thread somewhat bemusing overall, so I'm probably missing something.


*Nintendo's forays into theme parks, movies, and different media should help create some additional buffer going forward, but probably isn't to that point just yet.

The next generation doesn't start until we say it does
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-Kaz Hirai, on the subject of Nintendo's hubris, probably
 
If Switch 2 is really backwards compatible, I don't understand what would make Prime 4 cross gen. The difference with the two Zelda launches are that one had a different control input and the other was on a non-backwards compatible system. I don't see what would make Prime 4 "cross gen" outside of a performance patch.
 
Bulgowski said:
If Switch 2 is really backwards compatible, I don't understand what would make Prime 4 cross gen. The difference with the two Zelda launches are that one had a different control input and the other was on a non-backwards compatible system. I don't see what would make Prime 4 "cross gen" outside of a performance patch.
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most games on PS4/5 and XBO/Series don't have anything but enhanced resolution or framerate. it'd be no different here
 
Either way, you do realize that if they delayed it if it released this year we would get rushed software and drought or malfunction hardware, or there would be no products, the only reason they would delay it is becuase they arent sure of the quality of the launch, would you rather get coal sooner or wait an extra half year for a diamond, it’s an easy answer imo.

Let the cook, trust the process.

It’s the difference between a wii u and a switch.

The launch months are pivotal.
 
PixelKnight said:
Nah. The same companies could also get away with outright lies in advertising due to a lack of regulation, plus the way Nintendo, Sega, Sony and co engaged with media in the 90s was often just childish console wars aimed at misleading young customers with buzzwords. The scams are different today but multinationals have never ‘respected’ customers. While it’s true that products were less complex and built to last in the past, and if you wrote a complaint letter to them you’d likely get a polite reply from a human explaining why it wasn’t covered under warranty, I don’t buy that corpos ‘respected’ people as anything more than customers to rinse for cash back then either.

That’s why they hired ad agencies to mislead us long before the idea of media literacy was a thing, back when people still believed what they read. The 80s had many gaming peripherals that barely worked, or gaming ad campaigns that were pure fiction.
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This is 101 media literacy corporations dont and never have cared about you.

since day 1 you are money and nothing else.

Don’t make parasocial relationships with companies not a single one gives a shit what you think or want.


Even if the developers are passions driven which they are, they have to get the okay from the people who aren’t first.
 
Bulgowski said:
If Switch 2 is really backwards compatible, I don't understand what would make Prime 4 cross gen. The difference with the two Zelda launches are that one had a different control input and the other was on a non-backwards compatible system. I don't see what would make Prime 4 "cross gen" outside of a performance patch.
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I think what people are looking for is something to show off the Switch 2's power upgrade, and they can't think of anything other than Prime to do that.

I honestly can't think of many more options either, since 3D Zelda and Monolithsoft are likely a while away. 3D Mario would be a cool game but idk if it would be a great technical showcase (willing to be wrong on that though!).
 
Brazil said:
Kinda sad that I joined the board right when discussion will start becoming more and more like this. This is just really uninteresting lashing out.

That's a completely incoherent read of that quote. That was an awful saying because it was talking about the competing platforms.
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You unfortunately joined at a time when we're seeing a noticeable uptick in the most asinine of takes, and I'm sorry this has been your introduction to the board. I wouldn't blame you at all if you wanted to take a break, but I hope longterm you stick around - I've really enjoyed your insight and contributions, not to mention your level-headed approach to discussions which often get quite fraught.
 
ceres15 said:
I think what people are looking for is something to show off the Switch 2's power upgrade, and they can't think of anything other than Prime to do that.

I honestly can't think of many more options either, since 3D Zelda and Monolithsoft are likely a while away. 3D Mario would be a cool game but idk if it would be a great technical showcase (willing to be wrong on that though!).
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Why would monolithsoft be awhile away, they have had a game in dev for like 6 years now

They have 3 dev teams
 
Djehuty said:
Either way, you do realize that if they delayed it if it released this year we would get rushed software and drought or malfunction hardware, or there would be no products, the only reason they would delay it is becuase they arent sure of the quality of the launch, would you rather get coal sooner or wait an extra half year for a diamond, it’s an easy answer imo.

Let the cook, trust the process.

It’s the difference between a wii u and a switch.

The launch months are pivotal.
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Agreed. Has Nintendo ever been wrong about delaying a thing?

Anecdotally, I remember being upset when Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time got delayed. 100% of the time Nintendo shut me right up. It has earned the benefit of the doubt time and time again. If Nintendo of all companies believes something isn’t ready, it definitely isn’t ready. In the end, I want [Nintendo thing] to be good. If I need to wait, so be it.
 
BassForever said:
It's okay to be disappointed that the Switch 2 has been delayed. New hardware and new generations of our favorite Nintendo IP are exciting, so knowing we're still over a year away is deflating.

What I and a lot of others are pushing back against is the wave of doomerism and the unhinged hot takes about how Nintendo should no longer be a first party manufacturer or how Nintendo is setting up the Switch 2 to be a SwitchU. People are writing elaborate fan fiction and letting their disappointment twist into parasocial hatred.
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yeah, i wouldn’t even consider that to be disappointment - that is full on doomerism and borderline troll-like behavior. definitely so absurd takes lol.
 
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Catsylvania said:
Agreed. Has Nintendo ever been wrong about delaying a thing?

Anecdotally, I remember being upset when Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time got delayed. 100% of the time Nintendo shut me right up. It has earned the benefit of the doubt time and time again. If Nintendo of all companies believes something isn’t ready, it definitely isn’t ready. In the end, I want [Nintendo thing] to be good. If I need to wait, so be it.
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Well, if you want to get technical, Metroid Prime Federation Force was delayed as that was supposed to be a DS release. :p

Clearly we can use this as proof to declare all delays super bad! /s
 
Leica said:
I hope for real they "delay" the hell out of Prime 4 and make it for Switch 2 exclusively, as unlikely as it is.
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To be serious... why would you want this? If Prime 4 spent most of it's development as a Switch 1 only game, it's not going to magically become a cutting edge graphics show piece for Switch 2 if they do essentially an enhanced port and cancel the planned Switch 1 release.
 
ITSMILNER said:
Out of interest, how many of you only have a Switch as your gaming platform? I think, for me, the disappointment is minimal because I also have a Steam Deck for my third party releases.
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For me, while I have other platforms, Nintendo consoles have traditionally always been my platform of choice (from the Nintendo DS and Wii to the 3DS and Wii U and now the Nintendo Switch). If I can and the performance is largely the same (mainly with smaller/indie games), I do buy most of my games on the Nintendo Switch and do get many of the first-party games Nintendo themselves release!

While, initially, I was shocked (to an extent, may have also been because I was just waking up HAHA) at them potentially pushing back the console, with me being primarily a person that plays Nintendo video games and video games on the platform, I honestly prefer this because it will mean, hopefully, that Nintendo will have constant flow of releases for the first year or two of the console instead of having early first-party gaps! :D
 
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hologram said:
What was it about Prime Remastered that made you think "this would have looked great if only it was on much more powerful hardware"
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I mean, this is making the (likely but not certain) assumption that the game is built in the same way as Prime 1, with fairly small and enclosed environments without dynamic lights to allow them to do baked global illumination.

If Prime 4 is more open air ish, then a lot of the techniques in Prime Remastered immediately fall apart.

(This is why I'm guessing it has fairly small and enclosed environments)

Prime 1 Remastered would also look a lot better with TAA and higher res and better textures (which DLSS and more and faster RAM should provide). None of that would require cancelling a Switch 1 version though.
 
hologram said:
What was it about Prime Remastered that made you think "this would have looked great if only it was on much more powerful hardware"
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I feel like a large amount of Switch games artistically speaking look really good but personally suffer from low resolutions. I always maintained even if Nintendo Switch games were in 4K, that alone would feel like a huge upgrade. Even with the same visuals. I say this as someone with a 65' OLED tv. Playing a game like Super Mario RPG, Super Mario Odyssey, Luigi's Mansion 3, Zelda, Xenoblade games, etc would look a lot more pretty in 4K even without any change to the actual visual makeup. Of course when Switch 2 releases, I look forward to getting better visuals on top of the higher resolutions (yes not every game will be in 4K).

Metroid Prime Remake looks very good on Switch 2 but I definitely would agree it would shine even more in 4K. I think being spoiled by my PS5 has really made the Switch 2 wait all that much more difficult for me because it's kind of a bit of whiplash going between the two consoles when it comes to visuals. Either way, we will eventually get there.
 
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