or they can not be
That's where you're wrong. It never stopped, so how could it resume?
The difference is this nebulous "Switch 2" can play games from the previous console, and none of those examples had that opportunity.
Okay, fair. What I really should have said was "what about Prime Remastered made you think this is being held back by being released on the current Switch"
Did it though? Retro was working on MPR into some portion of 2022, who knows what was going on with MP4 in the interim, how much got done, and what plans were made in context of a Switch Pro and then Switch 2 hardware.
The post I was originally responding to was hoping that Prime 4 would skip the original Switch and only appear on the successor. There'd be absolutely no need or justification for that IMO
Exactly! I'm glad someone gets it. There are maybe a few of us probably*
How much do you figure would be gained from this, if it were built with the current Switch in mind?
I dunno. Mostly the part where it only looked how I remembered it looking. Pointless.
you don't know that they would be "pretty pissed off" and if they are....they'll get over it
They can do both.I mean they could push the visuals a lot further on Switch 2. Not only higher resolutions but better textures, foilage, fog and cloud effects, etc etc. I mean if you don't care about visuals then yeah a Switch version would be just fine. I guess it just matters to the individual poster. If it was up to me I would want it to be a Switch 2 exclusive since I'm getting a Switch 2 anyways but others here would probably prefer a Switch version. Nobody is wrong here. It's just opinions and what each individual wants from the experience.
Those things could be better on Switch 2 without forgoing a Switch 1 versionI mean they could push the visuals a lot further on Switch 2. Not only higher resolutions but better textures, foilage, fog and cloud effects, etc etc. I mean if you don't care about visuals then yeah a Switch version would be just fine. I guess it just matters to the individual poster. If it was up to me I would want it to be a Switch 2 exclusive since I'm getting a Switch 2 anyways but others here would probably prefer a Switch version. Nobody is wrong here. It's just opinions and what each individual wants from the experience.
But how, specifically? The examples you did give of improvements better hardware could bring - higher resolution, better textures, foliage, fog and cloud effects - are all things that they could easily upgrade for a cross-gen game without needing to make it next-gen exclusive, thereby excluding the 100m+ current Switch owners and dramatically lowering their potential sales.
I understand it's a different situation and different meaning. But I think still fits enough in this situation if the delay is primarily about first party software making everyone else wait while they catch up rather than something else not falling into place. But I hope it is something else, rather than Visions of Mana on Switch 2 not being a thing this year because some EPD team needs to tighten up the graphics on level 3.
I don't know if they ever planned on it being sooner, but I think most agree they waited too long to follow up the Wii.
I disagree. It was announced as a Switch game and will release as a Switch game. The Switch 2 upgrade has nothing to lose from coming after the initial release and it can showcase the value of a Switch 2 for those who only want to play Switch games. I know it wasn't your intention, but mentioning TotK reminded me that we heard many of these same arguments for TotK last year.
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Yes but cancelling the Switch version wouldn’t magically make the Switch 2 version be retroactively made for Switch 2 from the “ground up”, unless you want them to restart development again and wait another 4-5 years.
To be honest that would have been garbage ds online.Well, if you want to get technical, Metroid Prime Federation Force was delayed as that was supposed to be a DS release.
Clearly we can use this as proof to declare all delays super bad! /s
PS5 and Series X are backwards compatible, but they still got cross gen releases. Apart from graphical improvements, a large part of it does come down to marketing, you don't want Switch 2 buyers to look at MP4 and categorize it as a "last gen" game.
Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild are examples of two games that released on their original console despite not being ready until after the successor console launched. Again this is not like those examples because of the complete backwards compatibility of the sequel Switch. Unless you think Metroid Prime 4 itself is not ready or the Switch 2 will rely on something akin to the Wii Remote, there is no reason to delay. Remember Switch 2 is like PS5-- every Switch title is a Switch 2 title.
This is all the more reason to release Metroid Prime 4 on Switch standalone first. If it looks similar to Metroid Prime Remastered, which it no doubt will look at least that good, it will be a huge hit and a technical marvel for the Switch. Remember a remaster of a 2002 game was one of the most highly reviewed games of last year. Then if as you believe the Switch 2 is that much better, it will be able to impress twice. This way Nintendo pleases their existing gigantic Switch audience but also has a compelling reason to buy the new console, all while having a major holiday release.
Not releasing MP4 cross gen impact the game, not the console
pretty often on the next gen launch window new games find more success even with a tiny install base, look at Mario Rabbids where the first performed better than the sequel.
The principle is still exactly the same and the cross gen aspect is a bit of a moot point. Nintendo want a big game aimed at enthusiast fans like us to get us excited to rush out and buy a Switch 2 day 1. Prime 4 serves that purpose regardless of whether it releases on Switch 1 or not. At least by making it cross gen people who can't buy a Switch 2 for a year or so can still play the game.
From a sales perspective no, but both are highly acclaimed prestige series with a rich history and a group of dedicated fans who would absolutely prioritise buying a new console day 1 to play a new entry. Metroid often caps out at 2 million units yeah? If even half of those fans turn up day 1 should Prime 4 launch with the Switch 2, that's still a million consoles sold in the first couple of weeks. That's what Nintendo is going for here, and the Mario's and Animal Crossing's come a bit later once supply is a bit better after the early adopters have had their fill.
I don’t think you reach the sales heights that Zelda currently has based on being a launch title. It reached these heights by instantly captivating audiences & having very strong WOM. If Metroid wants the same opportunity then it’s gonna need to be more than a launch title to achieve it. The game is gonna need to do two things the franchise struggles with: strong WOM & appealing to outside audiences.
Is the article by Takashi Mochizuki? That guy is like Michael Pacter with his reliability mixed with a desperate click bait YouTuber lol.
Which it might very well do depending on what Retro have cooking. If Prime 4 turns out to be next big step for Metroid in the way BOTW was for Zelda, and encourages newcomers to the franchise in the same way, there's no reason it can't become a big success (slightly spicy additional take, might even be worth ditching the Prime 4 from the title in that instance).
Whether you belive it's existence or not, maybe Switch pro being scrapped was already a pretty good sign that they're struggling with what to do next.
anyone who tried running switch games in 4k on Yuzu knows how amazing Nintendo's games look on higher resolutions. Even games that suffer more in that department, like Xenoblade series, looks amazing on Yuzu.
To be fair BotW was the BotW moment while also launching on Wii U lol.
The Wii could still play Gamecube games though and it was arguably the better version, so the situation actually isn't that different to Twilight Princess.
Probably, tho they’re still scared of the Legal Department. This is the only Switch 2 leaked we’ve gotten: a delay for an unannounced product we know nothing except that it’s a successor to the Switch.
Which is why I'm making the comparison. Nintendo have done this twice before with Zelda and it's worked out swimmingly for them (Twilight Princess was the best selling Zelda prior to the two BOTW-era games). I'm just trying to point out that using Metroid as a launch era title won't be a hinderance to the series fortunes. I mean if Nintendo give Metroid it's chance in the sun as a launch title, and it still hits its usual 2-3 million copies bracket, it is never selling more than that.
Oh my bad. I thought you were saying the opposite
I would put Zelda as more mainstream than Metroid even before BOTW. But i would say that before BOTW Zelda was kinda seen as a series in decline due to the mediocre sales of Skyward Sword on the Wii. Skyward Sword on the Wii didn't sell that much more than Metroid Dread did recently on the Switch.
I'm not a leaker, much less a journalist. I am just a bored financial analyst working with public tenders in a federal agency in the interior of Brazil who happens to know a guy in the gaming industry lol
