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Discussion According to @Brazil podcast 'X do Controle' Nintendo Switch 2 will release in march 2025 - Summary updated [Eurogamer is corroborating]

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Phosphorescent Skeleton said:
They didn't delay it. They haven't even announced it yet.
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True. We will hopefully know more by the end of next month. Nothing will surprise me with Nintendo. The good thing about switch is it does have ana amazing library of games. If we have to wait until 25 there is a lot to play for some gamers. Others will have to do with what they have.
 
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Brock Reiher said:
Nintendo has only revealed games releasing through Spring and there are already more of them than Sony is getting for the entire year.
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Sony has had several barren years lol. Sony's first party has become extremely uninteresting to me because it's mostly cinematic games at this point. But I gotta give this year to Sony because they've got FFVII Rebirth.

On the bright side, I can play loads of games in my backlog in higher res and more stable framerate. Which is why waiting for a strong lineup is a kind of pointless, for me at least. If that's the only reason for the Switch 2 delay then it mostly just serves the marketing and Nintendo. As consumers it doesn't change much for us actually. The games will come when they come.
 
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Serif said:
It doesn't make sense to me that a mobile device is rendered 'obsolete' because it cannot compete with raw horsepower of stationary devices that consume several times the energy. The Steam Deck is objectively weaker than current gen consoles, it is 'around PS4 level' but more modern, but I never see any claims of it being outdated at launch (two years after the PS5) or even outdated now.
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Disagree with this if only to say that’s part of the reason other handhelds have tried to muscle in. The ROGs whole angle was it was more powerful and runs full windows. Many who have purchased it did for this exact fact OVER the Deck which they deem under powered in certain games.

The caveat being the amount of people buying any of these “pc handhelds” let alone the non steam deck ones are extremely small in number.

I agree with your overall point though.
 
O. W. Funnyname said:
Really starting to feel that Wii-era arrogant Nintendo is truly back and the "delay" is just a front.

It's possible that they really want to dethrone the PS2 as the best-selling console of all time just for the novelty of it, and they seem to think a year's worth of compromised third-party games and $60 ports and remasters can push them over the line.
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Nintendo dont care, if Switch surpass DS/PS2 and become the best selling console of all time(they care of a console that give them profit)
 
Vanillalite said:
Disagree with this if only to say that’s part of the reason other handhelds have tried to muscle in. The ROGs whole angle was it was more powerful and runs full windows. Many who have purchased it did for this exact fact OVER the Deck which they deem under powered in certain games.
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To me there is a distinction between underpowered and outdated albeit a subtle one. The Deck is ostensibly a modern device and I wouldn't call it old tech, but it is noticeably not powerful enough to run something like Starfield at a consistent 30 without significant sacrifice.

But yeah to others there is no distinction, if something is underpowered to run a modern game acceptably then it is therefore left in the dust. In that case I see why some would consider the Steam Deck to be outdated.

This will bring up some interesting scenarios where the Switch 2 runs some games noticeably better than Deck with console optimization and DLSS - Baldur's Gate 3 is a title I can see hitting a comfortable locked 30 while the Deck struggles a bit.
 
Marce-chan said:
I'm okay with this because periods of time that would otherwise have nothing can have a tent pole release.

Had they not sat on Fire Emblem Engage and Metroid Prime Remastered, Q1 2023 would've been just Bayonetta Origins and Kirby remaster (and that's if those weren't sat on too!). Had Pikmin 3 DX and probably 3D All Stars not been sat on, H2 2020 would have nothing.
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Chie said:
I believe Emily and possibly Nate have mentioned that Nintendo will hold unreleased games in order to maintain a consistent release schedule.

It would be worse if they released half of their yearly slate in January just because it is ready and then would have a 7 month drought before a burst of games in the fall.
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It's obviously better for Nintendo, but not for me.
 
Zeal543 said:
Sony having a bad year doesn't discount Nintendo from having one, furthermore the switch receives less third party titles to fill the gap in comparison.
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All things considered this is just a bad year.

I love Paper Mario and I know that will be a great nostalgic time. But it's a remake.

LM2 is a remake.

Pokemon is very likely going to be Black and White remakes. That's what's next in line considering how Gramefreak works.

Apparently there's a rumour about FE4 remake. Yet another remake.

The only new thing is Peach Showtime, which I'm gonna get and have some fun with cos I've always liked Peach as a character. But let's be real that looks like your regular children's game that's gonna be a cakewalk. So that's gonna be a one and done in one afternoon or something.

I don't see why they would release anything else that's not a remake or small enough if they're struggling for a next gen lineup.
 
Even if Nintendo released nothing else this year, it would STILL be great. Why? Because they released Another Code remakes just last month, and the chances of them releasing anything better than that this year are slim to none...
 
Brock Reiher said:
It already doesn't have one and it's February. Most likely Prime 4 is this year as well which we've been waiting 7 years for.
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We get Prime 4 if we're lucky. If it's cross gen I assume they want to release both versions when the Switch 2 releases.

It also isn't a prime candidate for holiday sales I think. I don't see families getting the new Metroid for Christmas.
 
Lucifer said:
We get Prime 4 if we're lucky. If it's cross gen I assume they want to release both versions when the Switch 2 releases.

It also isn't a prime candidate for holiday sales I think. I don't see families getting the new Metroid for Christmas.
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Pokemon for sales, Prime 4 for (less) sales and prestige. Dread was a fall title too.
 
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Zeal543 said:
Sony having a bad year doesn't discount Nintendo from having one, furthermore the switch receives less third party titles to fill the gap in comparison.
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all the third parties launch everywhere else. except the ones they locked down which also launch everywhere else but later. and yeah third parties do sell the best in playstation but steam is catching up and if there's a switch version that will also sell well. not surprised then that playstation is dipping. those exclusives are still important.
 
Serif said:
To me there is a distinction between underpowered and outdated albeit a subtle one. The Deck is ostensibly a modern device and I wouldn't call it old tech, but it is noticeably not powerful enough to run something like Starfield at a consistent 30 without significant sacrifice.

But yeah to others there is no distinction, if something is underpowered to run a modern game acceptably then it is therefore left in the dust. In that case I see why some would consider the Steam Deck to be outdated.

This will bring up some interesting scenarios where the Switch 2 runs some games noticeably better than Deck with console optimization and DLSS - Baldur's Gate 3 is a title I can see hitting a comfortable locked 30 while the Deck struggles a bit.
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Part of this is it’s a newer space spear headed by the deck. So competition got to see what the deck was doing and try to out do it so to speak. Plus the space was new so there was more room for rapid innovation and advancements.

The caveat again being these are niche devices and the cost can be yolo hence the Lenovo or ROG price tags being waaaayy up there over the Switch and even a decent bit more than the Deck. They also don’t have to sell you on a sleak form factor. My buddy has a ROG and man that shit is ummm hefty to put it nicely. lol
 
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Y’all can’t just count Fire Emblem 4 as just a remake.

It’s a game that was never released outside of Japan in the first place. Unless it’s Japan. It’ll be new to everyone else.

BUT! The again. It ain’t official so maybe we shouldn’t count it for anything yet lol
 
No one will agree with me and I know I'm crazy for saying it,

But I'd be much happier about the Q1 2025 release if I knew Metroid Prime 4 wouldn't release exclusively on Switch 1 hardware first. Delay it to the launch, make it cross-platform day 1. Being a launch lineup game will give it more life and momentum in the new generation as people give it a try with their new system rather than being marketed/mentally tied to the old-and-gone generation.

If they do that, I'll happily accept Q1 2025 because that means the system will come out swinging with big, brand new games like Mario, MP4, etc and keep on feeding us more bangers from there. Will give Metroid Prime 4 that shiny "next-gen/new-era" aura and feel like Breath of the Wild, ARMS, & Odyssey did for Nintendo during the Switch's first year. Probably won't happen at this rate unless Metroid is behind schedule too :/
 
Procheno said:
No one will agree with me and I know I'm crazy for saying it,

But I'd be much happier about the Q1 2025 release if I knew Metroid Prime 4 wouldn't release exclusively on Switch 1 hardware first. Delay it to the launch, make it cross-platform day 1. Being a launch lineup game will give it more life and momentum in the new generation as people give it a try with their new system rather than being marketed/mentally tied to the old-and-gone generation.

If they do that, I'll happily accept Q1 2025 because that means the system will come out swinging with big, brand new games like Mario, MP4, etc and keep on feeding us more bangers from there. Will give Metroid Prime 4 that shiny "next-gen/new-era" aura and feel like Breath of the Wild, ARMS, & Odyssey did for Nintendo. Probably won't happen at this rate unless Metroid is behind schedule too :/
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I think the fact that they didn't reveal Metroid in the Fall Direct makes it very likely it's being saved for Switch 2.
 
Procheno said:
You'd think, but now that they have a full year gap, it'd give them motivation to release it for the Switch 1 instead of waiting
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I don't see a benefit to stopping the crossgen release at this point. It would be harming their Switch 2 momentum in favor of short term gains. Prime 4 will probably be more important for filling out the early Switch 2 calendar than the late Switch 1 calendar.
 
Mekanos said:
I don't see a benefit to stopping the crossgen release at this point. It would be harming their Switch 2 momentum in favor of short term gains. Prime 4 will probably be more important for filling out the early Switch 2 calendar than the late Switch 1 calendar.
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I agree,
Not only would it add to their exciting new games release lineup for the system, but it would also service a different, hardcore audience right out the gate and add a (likely) high critical acclaim game to their brand new console's 1st year. On top of that, they'd also have a big graphical showcase game to show off the technical capabilities of the system day 1.

Maybe they'll spend more time taking advantage of the boosted specs and add more visual polish in the meantime or if Retro will simply move onto the next game while MP4 sits and waits for release. So definitely hoping they hold off on it until the Switch 2 launch
 
Rumors suggest basically every major Switch 1 game will be "cross gen" due to performance patches and backwards compatibility. No reason to delay the big fall release and Switch's swan song.

Mekanos said:
I think the fact that they didn't reveal Metroid in the Fall Direct makes it very likely it's being saved for Switch 2.
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Why would they reveal it a year in advance? They revealed Mario Wonder just months in advance, and that was after the Mario movie became a global smash hit. Furthermore Prime 4 of all games I think they have good reason to wait until it has basically gone gold considering it's history.
 
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DecoReturns said:
Y’all can’t just count Fire Emblem 4 as just a remake.

It’s a game that was never released outside of Japan in the first place. Unless it’s Japan. It’ll be new to everyone else.

BUT! The again. It ain’t official so maybe we shouldn’t count it for anything yet lol
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Super Mario RPG wasn't released in Europe and the remake is the first time I've played that game. Does that mean it's not a remake anymore?
 
Procheno said:
You'd think, but now that they have a full year gap, it'd give them motivation to release it for the Switch 1 instead of waiting
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The reports suggest that the reason for the delay to Q1 is to bolster the first party software lineup.

If they're that starved for launch content, I don't see why Metroid Prime 4 wouldn't be saved for the Switch 2 launch.
 
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It's interesting that across all the threads talking about this, that people want different games to be "held back" and pushed more explicitly as a cross-gen title, whether it's Fire Emblem 4 Remake or Metroid Prime 4. I doubt Nintendo would move back too many games, else they'd dry up their output this year... So, if you had to pick one to move forward into next year and one to keep this year, which would it be?
 
buildz said:
It's interesting that across all the threads talking about this, that people want different games to be "held back" and pushed more explicitly as a cross-gen title, whether it's Fire Emblem 4 Remake or Metroid Prime 4. I doubt Nintendo would move back too many games, else they'd dry up their output this year... So, if you had to pick one to move forward into next year and one to keep this year, which would it be?
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easily MP4 should be cross-gen as it has the most to gain compared to something like Fire Emblem
 
buildz said:
It's interesting that across all the threads talking about this, that people want different games to be "held back" and pushed more explicitly as a cross-gen title, whether it's Fire Emblem 4 Remake or Metroid Prime 4. I doubt Nintendo would move back too many games, else they'd dry up their output this year... So, if you had to pick one to move forward into next year and one to keep this year, which would it be?
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For me personally, I don't want them to hold back anything. I'd be cool if they released everything that's finished tomorrow! Won't stop me from buying new hardware day 1 lol.

That said, what appeals to me specifically is definitely not good business 😂. I think Metroid Prime 4 being positioned as cross gen makes a lot of sense. Even though the audience isn't particularly huge, there's an air around Metroid Prime 4 that it's a game that really needs to impress and succeed, and I think it would benefit from the buzz around a stronger console.

Plus, I wanna play FE4 remake ASAP so I hope they don't wait lol
 
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I'm still in the denial phase when it comes to Metroid Prime 4.

I just want to see this game so badly that it's actually hurting me to accept that it's going to be another year before I even get to see what it looks like.

The Switch 2 news, I'm fine with, but with Metroid Prime 4 I'm just so exhausted. It's been almost 7 years.
 
I mean yes we have been speculating and waiting a long time but the harsh truth is.....that's not Nintendo's problem.
 
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Lucifer said:
Super Mario RPG wasn't released in Europe and the remake is the first time I've played that game. Does that mean it's not a remake anymore?
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Super Mario RPG was at least released in Europe prior to the Switch on Wii / Wii U VC and in English and even then, it's a completely different situation from Fire Emblem 4, a game basically no one in the West played unless they either knew Japanese or used a fan translation. Remaking a game that was previously unreleased in territories does matter a lot more than most other remakes and bumps up the intrigue a lot more. Other things like Live A Live and Shadows of Valentia on 3DS also fit this bill. It matters much less they're remakes in that case.
 
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Joe said:
I'm still in the denial phase when it comes to Metroid Prime 4.

I just want to see this game so badly that it's actually hurting me to accept that it's going to be another year before I even get to see what it looks like.

The Switch 2 news, I'm fine with, but with Metroid Prime 4 I'm just so exhausted. It's been almost 7 years.
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I think you'll get to see the game before the Switch 2 and the release of the game. I bet they'll reveal it around the time they reveal the Switch 2.
 
Maybe Nintendo wanted so much to emulate the Nintendo Switch success that they decided to emulate the drought of 2016 that preceded the Switch success.
 
ammonite said:
The VGC pod last week were talking about how, within Nintendo, Metroid is now viewed as a vital franchise because even though it doesn’t sell many copies, it shifts a totally disproportion amount of hardware for a franchise that ‘small’. The thing is niche, but to it’s niche, a total system seller.
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I think this might persuade some people to think that they'll hold back Prime 4 for a cross gen release but we have to keep in mind that Metroid 6 is most likely in development and for all we know could be a late 2025 game, so I think they already have the carrot on a stick to get Metroid fans to buy the new system.
 
I think it’s pretty clear no one especially in gaming media knows any hardware plans from Nintendo since the “Switch Pro” and Nintendo just been giggling ever since.

Yes Eurogamer was right in 2016 but it’s no longer 2016. Whatever openness existed Nintendo made sure those holes were plugged.
 
Tazmin said:
I think it’s pretty clear no one especially in gaming media knows any hardware plans from Nintendo since the “Switch Pro” and Nintendo just been giggling ever since.

Yes Eurogamer was right in 2016 but it’s no longer 2016. Whatever openness existed Nintendo made sure those holes were plugged.
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Remember this?


Narrator: It was, in fact, not true.
 
Tazmin said:
I think it’s pretty clear no one especially in gaming media knows any hardware plans from Nintendo since the “Switch Pro” and Nintendo just been giggling ever since.

Yes Eurogamer was right in 2016 but it’s no longer 2016. Whatever openness existed Nintendo made sure those holes were plugged.
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Are you trying to say that these rumors are false?
 
Meelow said:
Are you trying to say that these rumors are false?
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Not really but it definitely not second hand information or even third. Probably fourth maybe fifth at this point and yknow how rumour mills go down. None of the information is coming from Nintendo directly, just peripheral partners and I doubt it’s from proper ones who’d risk jeopardising their relationship with Nintendo.

It’s okay to conclude the gaming media doesn’t know much in this aspect and they haven’t known since 2016 but they won’t admit it.
 
After the whole Switch Pro debacle, being sceptical towards hardware leakers is the only rational position. And does Brazial have a track record?

That said, I find a March 2025 release plausible. I don't think Nintendo will reveal Switch 2 this March, though.
 
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Tazmin said:
Not really but it definitely not second hand information or even third. Probably fourth maybe fifth at this point and yknow how rumour mills go down. None of the information is coming from Nintendo directly, just peripheral partners and I doubt it’s from proper ones who’d risk jeopardising their relationship with Nintendo.

It’s okay to conclude the gaming media doesn’t know much in this aspect and they haven’t known since 2016 but they won’t admit it.
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See, my original point was maybe it's Nintendo trying to lockdown who is leaking all these things, but I also don't know if Nintendo would do that. Necro has also spoken to people from multiple companies, and those three sources also said the same thing.

I agree that something doesn't add up with how Nintendo was planning an early to late 2024 launch to now launch in March 2025 and how we were supposed to get a reveal in a month. That means Nintendo would have been filming the trailer around now (if it was similar to the Switch).

Third parties are also relying on Nintendo to release the Switch 2 this holiday, so you would think if they knew they couldn't make it, they would have known this since late last year.

I do know, in this case, that even insiders hope that they get it wrong.
 
Is there any particular reason why VGC would wait to publish a rumor like this from their own sources, instead choosing to piggyback off of someone else?

Do you know what I mean? Like they claim they have their own sources that confirm this info but they for some reason waited to be second in line to share this.
 
Samuspet said:
I can’t remember where I read the post (here or Era) but did someone say Nintendo have made more revenue or profit from the Switch gen than Xbox brand has made in its history? Did I fever dream that lol.
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www.tweaktown.com

Nintendo Switch made $69 billion in total revenues

Nintendo has generated over $69 billion from its Switch handheld-console family of products since the first system launched in March 2017 to March 2023.
www.tweaktown.com www.tweaktown.com

I can't find the profit one. This is for Switch revenue from March 2017 - March 2023, it's got $69 Billion revenue. And Nintendo profit more than 30% from revenue each year, so you can roughly calculate
 
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VintoWin said:
Is there any particular reason why VGC would wait to publish a rumor like this from their own sources, instead choosing to piggyback off of someone else?

Do you know what I mean? Like they claim they have their own sources that confirm this info but they for some reason waited to be second in line to share this.
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gun shy.

Corroborating is also better for a story especially if this was something that was making the rounds just the last week. Like these guys were under the impression it was coming in 2024. It had to be a little shocking to then hear word it's being internally delayed to early 2025. It will make you second guess what you are hearing cause what you had heard previously and believed was most likely going to happen is no longer true.

At least that how I try to look at it if I'm in their shoes lmfao. I can be so completely off and dumb. Would not be the first time.
 
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