The specs weren't better, though, and games did not automatically run better. It's like how the PS3 was 'better' than the 360: in theory, yes, but in practice, no.
I agree with what you say, but to play devil's advocate, the GameCube was a failure despite very honorable hardware for its time AND very great games, including major third party exclusives a new Zelda day one and a sandbox 3D Mario early in its life cycle. Nintendo did it right. The Wii U had none of that. And yet the Gamecube was also a commercial failure.
This is what I was trying to say.
Wii U to Switch offered some additional power and capability, but it was a fairly lateral move, with the biggest gains going to efficiency. Switch to Switch 2 is going to be much more of a straightforward upgrade, and I think exclusive titles will probably reflect that.
The Wikipedia generation numbers are absolutely meaningless and exist in violation of Wikipedia's own policies on original research. The exact generation they assign to the Switch is not only meaningless, but a highly contentious subject, precisely because it can't be neatly categorized. Cross platform numbered generations are a fundamentally flawed lens the view the history of consoles through, and we're best off leaving them behind.
Required installs are not happening.
A Dragon Ball game to come out the same day as other consoles for once. Oh and a 4K patch for Fortnite and Project DIVA Mega Mix and picross
The GameCube had compact discs, which made bringing third-party games over to be a hassle, in simple terms. Just like how the N64 used cartridges instead of CD's. The PS2 also had the advantage of being a device that can play music and movies, as well as games during a time when CD and DVD players were far more expensive.
I mean.. I just listed the ways in which the specs were better so.. maybe show me how they weren't?
I think you're taking these disagreements a little too personally.
It is precisely the fact that Switch and Wii U are considered to be of the same generation that exposes the absurdity of the system. It's an ugly hack to attempt to resolve the fact that Nintendo's generations aren't in sync with Sony and Microsoft.
generation is meaningless. it holds no value to anyone trying to make a comparison
The Wii U was on a 45nm process node, running a GPU with Radeon's Terascale architecture, at 176/352 GFLOPS (full/half precision).
T239 is 6x-8x as powerful as TX1 in the GPU, and runs Ampere, a GPU arch from 2020. TX1 runs a GPU arch from 2014
I deleted the video. Should know better to always check here and never trust the big media. Also tired of gruff from some that I only make videos for money. The moment I found out it was misinformation I deleted it. Even though it was performing well.
Can you blame me, though? As soon as I say something kind-of-true-but-not-quite-entirely-true, people come out of the woodwork to dogpile me.
when you argue from bad faith, that tends to happen
Oh shut up.
I don't think you were raked over the coals, but you got a strong reaction because you opened with...
...as if the OP was foolish for their statement, and then proceeded to say a bunch of technical stuff that wasn't in any way factual. Then you defended it by using a marketing term, while being the Hardware Thread, as if precision about technical details isn't the reason this thread exists or has been so successful in processing leaks and setting fan expectations.
I mean, don't march in here and say provably wrong things? It's a thread rife with tech nerds, you're gonna get trounced.
All I did was respond to the idea that Switch 2 will 100% be a massive technical leap leading to much more ambitious games in that I didn't see how the two were correlated due to design tendencies in AAA plus my own belief that I just don't see Nintendo doing more than what's absolutely essential of them to not fail especially if it has worked remarkably well for them with the switch cycle.
Please, take a break. Telling users to shut up because they point out that you're kinda being a jerk while also being wrong is not a good look. You were rude to someone else, then said a thing that was not at all true, and then landed on saying something that didn't in anyway match what a reasonable thread goer would assume you meant. I'm not saying you didn't mean it, but the onus to be polite and clear starts with you, here.
That's not really what's going on there. BotW appears to be taking advantage of memory that typically sits unused while a game is running in the foreground, at the cost of losing that data when it gets suspended and something actually needs that memory (forcing the game to pause and reload the data when it's unsuspended).
) The Mario universe hasn’t undergone a significant image change in well over 15 (probably 20) years. Is it possible that Drake, being 6x more powerful than the TX1, can make Mario games going forward look similar to the movie? I’m talking the advanced facial expressions/hair physics/etc. I suppose that’s a dumb question, since CGI cutscenes can basically be anything, but I’m wondering, besides resolution/draw distance/frame rate, how the next Mario can differentiate itself on Drake hardware from Odyssey.Well. Things are getting a little heated in here, so I’ll ask a totally unrelated question!
Again, back to the Mario Movie (I’m obsessed.
So, like taking the cartoony aesthetics to a whole nother level? Cuz I've been waiting on that for a while.Well. Things are getting a little heated in here, so I’ll ask a totally unrelated question!
Again, back to the Mario Movie (I’m obsessed.
I’m talking like, definitive. 64 > sunshine being the last huge one. Mario has had the same shape/characteristics for quite a while now. I really thought his image had peaked, then when I saw the facial expressions in the movie, I thought there was still some room for the image to grow besides a rez bump and/or more polygons.
Well. Things are getting a little heated in here, so I’ll ask a totally unrelated question!
Again, back to the Mario Movie (I’m obsessed.
I don't know if the mini DVDs were as big a liability as the cartridges had been on N64. As you said, the Playstation 2's DVD drive was a gigantic selling point that crushed the competition. As much as people like Nintendo's licenses, they still didn't care. But that's more of a "Sony has a huge competitive advantage for their system" situation than a "Nintendo screwed up" situation, I think. My point is that nothing is a given even with the Switch's success. What the Switch did was prove that there was a demand, a big market. This will inevitably interest the competition.
From nintendo, Metroid Prime 4 and new games like Mario 3D, Mario Kart 9, Astral Chain 2, the new action game ip from Monolith and other surprises. And certain free patches for Zelda, pokemon, splatoon 3 and other games
I do not think it's a coincidence that Miyamoto specifically called out Mario Movie DK (Which I love) Being the first redesign for the character in over 20 years especially with rumors of a new DK game and the verge of the Kongaissance hittingWell. Things are getting a little heated in here, so I’ll ask a totally unrelated question!
Again, back to the Mario Movie (I’m obsessed.
It's kinda hard to say one way or another, because if ambitions exist beyond what is currently feasible, we haven't seen them because they're not feasible.
Man that is setting the bar low. It may be touching the ground.
It is?
It probably is a bigger gap. But it doesn't tell the full story, since back in the day there was no "Xbox One Series S" with less than half the GPU power that all Xbox One games were built to work decently on.
Well. Things are getting a little heated in here, so I’ll ask a totally unrelated question!
Again, back to the Mario Movie (I’m obsessed.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Call of Duty on Nintendo hardware. Will MS force activision to stop their shitty mandatory downloads with deliberately bloated file sizes at least for versions on switch/redacted or will they continue the practice and blame Nintendo when it inevitably hinders sales?
If they wanted to produce something that detailed they probably could get pretty close, but they'd probably consider it a waste of both development and system resources to do so in real-time when he'd so rarely be seen so front and center anyway. Model composed of several times as many polygons as any previous Mario model, definitely to be expected. More realistic hair physics, maybe. Better looking textures and depth effects for things like denim or the lettering on the hat, sure. Better self-shadowing, sure, though not at that level. Fabric bunching up as he moves is almost certainly a step too far.
In this case in relation to "ambition" the context I'm speaking to in the original post was specifically when I mentioned the wider AAA scene. I don't believe there's any experience I've seen on PS5 that couldn't be replicated on the Switch by just looking and running worse either majorly or severely lol. Maybe Rift Apart with the instant loading SSD portals? The point is Nintendo could theoretically make a game for switch that played like God of War if they wanted to it'd just be heavily stylized.
Again this is just personal, but when Nintendo has seen this absurd level of success on the "underpowered when it launched" switch, idk what incentive they would have to make huge leaps for the second bout. May just be being cynical, I don't want to be, but it's my current expectation. I love the Switch so even a modest improvement with the same quality of titles would satisfy me.
You’re right. I know most of this hypothetical game will be really zoomed out and from a 3rd person perspective. I’m having a hard time expressing what I’m thinking. Like the scene in the Mario movie, where Peach is schooling Mario in the training montage? The slowdown where she slides under a makeshift fireball. That character animation would look great (scaled back, of course), in a New Super Mario Bros -like 2D platformer. Every time Peach has to slide (new mechanic?) she would have a similar animation to the one in the movie.
