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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)
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Why would it? Why couldn't the Switch successor be the start of the next gen? Honestly, the way people seem to say Switch is gen 8 is just silly when things like this are going to happen that really contradict those sort of claims. As it is, folks claim Switch is the same gen as Wii U because that platform failed (so that Switch replaced it), yet precedence already exists where that claim doesn't hold ground (Sega Saturn failed harder, but Dreamcast was next-gen). Already awkward to call Switch a Wii U replacement when at its core, it's a portable with everything needed for that built into the device, making it much more of a 3DS successor, which technically was what Nintendo was doing with the "Switch" before Nvidia coaxed them with the Tegra X1. Not to mention that Nintendo themselves called the Switch/NX next-gen before it released, so even if Switch was a home console, it would still have been next-gen to Wii U.
As far as time goes, Switch is going to be 7 years old by the time the successor releases, so why wouldn't the Switch successor be at the same gen as this next Xbox if the Xbox Series platforms will only be 6 years old by that time? 6 years is the difference from 3DS to Switch too.
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I like my Series X. I wonder what would compel them to make the next leap so soon?
robertman2
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The Series X/S are tracking below the Xbox One sales wise
(Semi related, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox goes to GameCube or even Wii U/Vita numbers)
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Serif
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I care less about specific console generation alignment and more about the games releasing contemporary on Switch 2 with other platforms, regardless of what the platforms are. It would be nice to have more day and date releases on Switch , PS, and Xbox _. I think a Tweet was posted here some time ago that said we'd see more of such announcements next year.
Though I'll still welcome the flood of enhanced PS4/XBO ports.
Though I'll still welcome the flood of enhanced PS4/XBO ports.
I honestly don't get Microsoft's decisions. Releasing a new console that isn't a mid-gen upgrade like Xbox One X so soon is certainly not the solution to their low sales compared to the competition. If that was the case the Switch would be the least sold of them all, but the reality is the complete opposite. More power will not sell more consoles these days, having a good line-up of games will.
BingBong43
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I agree with you. And I would think they'd at least need some sort of way to send signal to the TV from a wireless position, which would mean the dock would have to have at least some sort of chip and network connectivity, right?
Also what's so expensive about adding a casting stick to the dock?
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Nintendo being bad at internet and still using fax and pidgeons is the perfect protection.
Take that, hackers
How many should they expect to sell? What are the opportunity costs of this device relative to sales potential?
Going by history, add-ons struggle to maintain legitimacy as far as development efforts go. They could add it to the base box but it would increase costs by quite a bit from an R&D perspective and most likely a consumer cost perspective.
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Well, I’ll put it this way:
The XB1 peaked I think 3rd year and was dead by 2018 I think. They were already losing mindshare more than they already did by not having something new.
If they are doing a new Xbox in 2 years, it’s cause they saw the writing on the wall early on and figured releasing something newer that keeps it fresh enough in the mindshare when it’s losing steam before it collapses is a viable strategy.
In a similar way to how the PS5 if it released in 2018/2019 would have met a different (visible*) outcome for the software of the platform in Japan (only Japan!).
*I say visible because I can’t pull a number of what imaginary amount of games are selling at an imaginary pace for a console of a large gaming market but I think the point is all the same. Releasing something before utter and total collapse helps… a lot. Sony is able to do it very well world wide, they don’t get into the collapse zone, they get in when it’s in decline to carry momentum.
Shareholder Chad
FORMER Nintendo Shareholder
Call me crazy but I hope these massive leaks help turn the video game industry into more like the movie industry. When a project is greenlit, Announce it. Don't wait 2-3 years down the road. As an investor, This removes the unknown factor (aka risk) and allows for better decision making. I understand their are cons and challenges to this but it is just my opinion. Also it would require the general public to stop bitching about delays.
The next generation switch should've had a target year announced 3 years ago and specs announced around this time. Any secret sauce can obviously wait closer to launch because of competitors. I just think knowing the broad release plan is good enough for fans and shareholders alike.
Dark Cloud
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Nintendo hasn’t ever been leaked like this. Imagine if EPD had their projected games lineup leaked for the next decade. Omg nobody would be able to handle the amount of games we’d see.
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Darknut85
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Nintendo’s answer if shareholders ask for specs (probably) :“I could give you a list of our technical specs, I believe you‘d like that, but I don’t want for a simple reason: they really don‘t matter.“*
*Saturo Iwate at E3 2004
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Switch 3 enthusiast
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Nintendo only gets "playable builds of games days before release" type leaks
ertaboy356b
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We have high speed wifi now and very fast and efficient codecs
Aether
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New XBox was not in my cards ...
Honestly, even with the "mindshare" argument it doesnt make much sense in
my books with how many games are probably already in the pipeline.
Them releasing good "hype" games will do worlds more then another box,
especially since they are already moving towards xbox as a platform instead of a console.
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So... do we expect another full direct or a mini direct to pas the time till march?
Honestly, even with the "mindshare" argument it doesnt make much sense in
my books with how many games are probably already in the pipeline.
Them releasing good "hype" games will do worlds more then another box,
especially since they are already moving towards xbox as a platform instead of a console.
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So... do we expect another full direct or a mini direct to pas the time till march?
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But that would be the point of an early new box. Xbox is a platform, not a console, so why does it matter that there's a more powerful Xbox? Only games that couldn't function on Xbox Series S anyway would come exclusively to it. People who don't care about games that out and out require AI hardware to function, which will be extremely few in number, simply won't need to upgrade. If Xbox really is a platform and not a console, this is their proving grounds: can they keep two families of systems on the same baseline platform with different performance profiles going? They've been doing it for years with Series X|S and Xbox One, which together still form A HUNDRED MILLION PLAYERS not counting PC users- putting the current "Xbox Platform" at comparable user numbers to Nintendo Switch. A new console in the same platform allows them to continue that. Keep a grasp on the highest end of the console market, push Series X|S prices lower to keep their Xbox One audience moving on over and attract value seeking customers.
Consumer sentiment on Xbox between enthusiasts and the general public has very much diverged. Not that either side is necessarily wrong, Xbox has problems, but Xbox also has value.
They will soon have to worry about having a significant competitor muscling in on just about every part of their plan. Nintendo should be able to offer a "4K current gen console" at the lowest price of the three, which is also a handheld, presenting the best value hardware in the minds of many, backed up by Nintendo exclusives and the library of Nintendo Switch, while Nintendo will likely keep their Switch 1 line around and eat up more of the low end of the market Series S tries to exploit. It'll be interesting to see how exactly it ends up affecting it.
Aether
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that for sure is one way to look at it.
Consoles are just slightly their own thing compared to PC , and unlike PC devs don't optimize for a specific structure.
Meaning either they go more and more to it being a glorified windows PC, or they accept missing support / optimization for all of their specific targets.
People buy consoles because of that aspect, that its a great value proposition at the start of an generation, and after hat it has really well optimized games that often run better then on comparable or better hardware on pc.
If they can manage to get hardware and software to the level where its really easy to do those optimizations, good on them, but from the current position i cant see it happening, except if they have some magic AI solution in their back hand that does that. Ideally with static AND dynamic code analysis and then proposing the changes to get the optimal results.
But that seems to be a to complex problem space to solve by 2025, otherwise you would see them promoting that in other fields... with higher margins. Especially if they would couple that with azure, it would be a big + compared to AWS and i could see many projects move...
in other words: sure, they can try it, but its a risk loosing the benefit of a dedicated console if they flood the market.
SoldierDelta
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Without a semblance of irony, this.
It's actually getting hard to count the amount of big leaks that happened in the last three years, so the fact that Nintendo only really had one leak about older stuff... it's just really funny.
LuigiBlood
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The gigaleak spanned from NES to Switch. The majority was about the Wii and Pokémon source codes but it still included a bunch of stuff about the Switch, such as tons of slides and Boot ROM source code repositories, Pokémon Sword and Let's Go early builds etc.
AxkilAvenger
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They’ve seen how Nintendo punishes the ones who get caught.
This company will ruin lives if fucked with.
Edit: and they will catch and gut the smallest fish to send a message
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Thats what the did with prime 4 and elder scrolls vi
only problem is we have to wait close to a decade for both games lol
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ziggyrivers
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Not the PS5/Xbox thread, but I wanted to throw my two cents:
• Don’t see a problem with Microsoft launching a new Xbox. They could even maybe reset the branding to something new
• They could pack it up so well that not even the PS6 could come close to it, or just release a Pro revision later on
• Don’t see a problem with Microsoft launching a new Xbox. They could even maybe reset the branding to something new
• They could pack it up so well that not even the PS6 could come close to it, or just release a Pro revision later on
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Don't forget Beyond Good & Evil 2. At least Nintendo's given us sparse development updates on Prime 4.
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I don't really see the point of announcing specs 3 years ago, considering the specs were, for the most part, probably not finalised until 1H 2022 (here and here). (I say for the most part, because I imagine the CPU, GPU, and RAM frequencies, and the amount of RAM and internal storage, can be continuously adjusted until the last possible moment.)
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The industry used to be like this. Then they realized that announcing things years in advance was doing them no good and actually creating greater pressure and lack of room for adjustment of plans. Behind the scenes, a lot of games are in development then cancelled, lot of technologies changes happen, lots of pitches that may or not bear fruit, etc. Nintendo itself has an egregious example with Metroid Prime 4, which was announced early on Switch lifecycle, then changed development studios and was rebooted, prompting Nintendo to issue an clarification about the game development status, and still hasn't been released. Had Nintendo not announced anything back in 2017, they would have room to cancel the game, change target platforms, reboot the title silently, etc without the public knowing and having an outcry about it.
The game industry isn't like movie industry and shouldn't adopt their processes.
Indeed. Game consoles development are a very hard task where changes can be done at eleventh hour. PS4 itself doubled the RAM amount last hour, 3DS GPU choice was changed less than 2 years before launch, etc. There's a lot of back and forth and adjustments to a console specs until closer to launch.
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syrozz
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Yeah, they have already 'lost' this generation. They could want to be proactive and shorten this cycle.
And based on the leak, they want to heavily focus on AI (and cloud?) with dedicated hardware and an ARM based cpu.
It's a huge gamble but it makes sense.
(warning: wild speculation ahead lol) With Microsoft cloud and research in AI, they are in a position of taking that kind of bet and Sony would have a hard time catching up. And AI really has the potential to be the next big shift, especially in videogame ('sentient' NPC, interactive world that evolve alongside the player, etc). If it pan out, it could be a 2D to 3D type of leap forward.
Bethesda and Blizzard are empty shells now, so I'm just very skeptical on their ability to produce software to support this new paradigm. Especially as early as 2026 but thing are moving exponentially fast in that field so who knows.
If it somehow works out (and to stay remotely on topic lol), it could potentially be bad for Nintendo. The next switch could be in a weird 'Sega Saturn' positioning and could age fast.
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So Microsoft's solution to the problem is: More power!
Introducing the
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Well, the Sega Saturn didn't have the advantage of being a portable device that's likely $100 cheaper than the competition, and as decades of Nintendo strategy have proven, outdated technology certainly isn't a dealbreaker so long as the games are there. In regards to cloud, I think Google Stadia proved pretty definitively that game streaming isn't going to be viable for another generation or two.
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Seriously, what is Microsoft going to name the damn thing? At least Xbox One X sounded cool because of the X, and was...somewhat...distinctive enough in name. But we already have Xbox Series X.
Xbox Series XX?
Xbox Series Z?
Xbox The Series?
Xbox Series One?
The Xbox?
Xbox World Series?
Xbox Series Pro?
Xbox Series Pro X?
Xbox Series Frontier Pro 4X?
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Probably just "the Xbox", with the device model being Xbox (2027) or Xbox (10th generation). "The Xbox" is already the official name of this "generation" of Xbox, they intend(ed) developers and customers to just say "X game is coming to Xbox", with "Series" indicating the model. Not sure how that worked out for them.
Oh god. Maybe it's Xbox Series X (2nd Generation), or Xbox Series X (10th Generation), eaugh.
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I think you may be referring to this tweet from Tom Henderson correct me if I'm wrong. This could be interpreted as day and date but it could also suggest select games could still launch slightly delayed.
casualreader
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I just got chills
Shoulder
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Microsoft, why must you do this to us? You're turning into USB...
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What, you don't want Xbox Series X with Generation 10X10 SuperSpeed support?
Tof
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Tch…casual
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New! Xbox
Thraktor
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The funny thing is that Microsoft's confusing console naming goes back to not wanting to use lower numbers than Sony (hence the 3 in Xbox 360, which was competing with PS3), but they could get away with just using the same numbering as Sony from next gen. They released two consoles this gen, so they could argue that the Series S and X were the fourth and fifth Xboxes, and call the next one Xbox 6.
But they won't, they'll call it something silly like Xbox Zero.
Darknut85
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New Xbox Series XL
Soralink91
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Should get pretty exciting here soon. It will be crazy once January hits. I could see an announcement of new generation anytime from January to June. Let's hope its on the earlier side, but the chaos would be fun to watch if Nintendo decides to wait till the last possible moment.
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Oh god then they could start doing automobile-style bullshit trim package names
XLS, XLX, XLR, XRT, XSR...
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If they go to pure numbering, I'd expect 7 or 8, with One X (and possibly One S) being counted separately.
Beyond that, Nintendo's at a crossroads now. Is Nintendo Switch their console now and forever, and should they go with "2" for the second one? Or should they cash in on nostalgia and get the same idea across with "Super", which is more difficult to clearly continue from.
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Shoulder
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Skip the trim levels because the names themselves are getting ridiculous.
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IMO a clear and defined Switch 2 is a much better naming strategy and less confusing for consumers than Switch Super or Switch Advance or Switch XL, whatever. Specially because names like Super, Ultra, XR, XL, etc are vastly used by smartphone manufacturers to denote increased specs models within the same generation. While numbers are used to denote a new generation family.
I know some Nintendo fans don't like a simple number because it's Sony way of naming their consoles. But, really, who cares.
Anyway, Nintendo will name it the way they want. Let's just hope it's not another We You or 3D DS/ 2D DS or New Nintendo.
I know some Nintendo fans don't like a simple number because it's Sony way of naming their consoles. But, really, who cares.
Anyway, Nintendo will name it the way they want. Let's just hope it's not another We You or 3D DS/ 2D DS or New Nintendo.
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