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Pre-Release Princess Peach: Showtime! — Pre-release Discussion Thread

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So far the game makes me think a lot of Luigi's Mansion 3 ; with each theater being a new floor, bringing a whole new environnement with new gameplay mecanics.

And I'm ok with this !
 
Koren Lesthe said:
So far the game makes me think a lot of Luigi's Mansion 3 ; with each theater being a new floor, bringing a whole new environnement with new gameplay mecanics.

And I'm ok with this !
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Looks at profile pic

Be honest, you're just pumped about this rumored Cowgirl transformation.
 
JR436 said:
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This isn't a confusing trailer.

Unless I'm completely wrong, in which case then it's arguably the most bizarre trailer of all time. I'll hold the L if that's the case.
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Eh, I think it's more of a 2D/3D action adventure hybrid with puzzle like elements, not a platformer.
 
With F-Zero 99 existing I forgot about this game.

But I really liked what I saw, honestly. Seems like each transformation will have very different gameplay, which is an step up from "figure out what skin you need to wear for this very specific gate masquerading as a puzzle".

Also all the outfits are extra cute. Very hyped for this.
 
Cheetah6442 said:
Eh, I think it's more of a 2D/3D action adventure hybrid with puzzle like elements, not a platformer.
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Admittedly I said it was a platformer due to Peach having a jump, but you might be right.

At the very least I'd still argue the trailer is relatively clear that the game isn't a minigame collection!
 
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This is Day 1 for me. Let's finally support Nintendo for actually making Peach a protag again.
 
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topsekret said:
Good gameplay is important to critical reception. There have been tons of games that had great graphics, cool characters, good music, etc... but got poor reviews due to subpar gameplay. I could see this game averaging in the 70s if the gameplay isn't up to snuff. Would that be considered a failure? Probably, I imagine the devs would be aiming for higher than a Metacritic 70.

Maybe not a guarantee, but a Mario game has a much higher chance of selling well than a lot of other games. Almost every Mario game on Switch has sold over a million copies. Even super niche stuff like Mario Kart Home Circuit, or games that fans online have very vocally complained about like Mario Strikers: Battle League. I know Ubisoft was disappointed in the sales for Sparks of Hope, but I don't think we know the actual numbers. And in that case, a big part of its slow sales can be attributed to them shooting themselves in the foot by constantly devaluing their games and teaching people to wait until they are at least 75% off.

I guess I'm just confused by why you think Splatoon, Arms, and Astral Chain "live or die by their gameplay" but not Princess Peach Showtime? It sounds like you are saying that doesn't apply to Peach because people are inherently interested in a game starring her just because she's an existing character in a popular franchise? Compared to a new IP that has to work harder to impress people to catch their attention? Yeah, I suppose that's true.

Personally, I'll only buy a game if its gameplay looks good. The one exception is I'll still buy certain visual novel/adventure games that are super light on gameplay if they have a really compelling story (Ace Attorney, Steins;Gate, AI: The Somnium Files). But I would never buy a game like that with a story that wasn't appealing cause the "gameplay" of picking dialogue options and such isn't inherently fun on its own.

I already know the Princess Peach game isn't gonna have a compelling story, hence why, for me, it lives or dies based on its gameplay. A lot of people will be interested in and/or buy this game just cause it has Peach. I'm not one of them. And based on the comment from JR436 earlier (quoted below), there are others out there like me who are saying the same thing. So clearly Nintendo is missing the mark for a decent chunk of the potential target audience with the way they've been marketing this game.

Side note, I had a good time respectfully debating you, but I'm off to bed now. Have a good one!
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We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this since we seem to be at an impasse.

Nice debating with you too ＾ω＾
 
Been thinking about what other cool forms peach could get. Like what if there is a stage that is mario bros themed and she gets her own overalls and hat. Or a stage that is super hero themed and she gets super powers, or maybe a stage that is Kaiju or sentai themed and she gets a giant robot or something. So many possibilities, peach is low key one of my favorite Nintendo characters, so I’m glad this game exists
 
So who are we thinking it's the developer? Animations and graphics made me think of NLG, but I think IntSys is still likely. But with them probably being behind TTYD and that being a full remake I think it decreases the chances of being them.
 
I think with IS apparently handling Paper Mario Remakester, it's unlikely they are doing Peach. For me, NLG and GoodFeel are the most likely contenders.
 
Marce-chan said:
So who are we thinking it's the developer? Animations and graphics made me think of NLG, but I think IntSys is still likely. But with them probably being behind TTYD and that being a full remake I think it decreases the chances of being them.
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Right now I'm thinking it's going to turn out to be Good-Feel.

I think the less-than-two-year turn around from Mario Strikers is too short a window for NLG, unless it turns out to be co-developed with one of the EPD teams. I'd rule out Intelligent Systems now on the basis that development for the Peach game would've overlapped with at least 3 other games (Fire Emblem Engage, WarioWare Move It, Paper Mario TYD remake), possibly 4 (rumoured Fire Emblem 4 remake). That's a lot for Intelligent Systems to juggle and I don't think it's feasible. We can rule out NST given they've done both F ZERO 99 and Mario vs DK (and they were always a less likely candidate than the other studios).

Good-Feel's main Tokyo studio, which creates the Nintendo-contracted games, has been quiet since Yoshi's Crafted World in early 2019. Their Osaka team is about to self-publish a new game, but I don't think that's a barrier to Peach being in the works in Tokyo, especially given their president publicly said they wanted to have contracted games in the works in Tokyo alongside their own stuff in Osaka. Really, given Crafted World was nearly 5 years ago, a new Nintendo title from Good-Feel seems almost overdue.

I've also felt for a long time that porting Yoshi's Woolly World to Switch as a late life title would give Good-Feel an opportunity to work with a different Nintendo character rather than 3 Yoshi games on the bounce. I was hoping for Wario Land, but Peach has been badly served by Nintendo so I'm OK if this turns out to be Good-Feel's work.
 
I will eat my hat if it's not Good Feel on Peach Showtime. It's either them or a studio no one is considering like Tose.

Good Feel has gone 5 years since their last Nintendo game in Yoshi's Crafted World. The art style of Showtime being very cute and having a bit of an arts and crafts bent with the stage play theme is their signature. Some of the game sections also reminds me of their work on Yoshi.

NST, IntSys, and NLG have each been busy with different projects lately with F-Zero 99 and Mario vs DK for NST, then Strikers and possibly LM2 HD for NLG. IntSys has had FE Engage, WarioWare Move It, TTYD Remake, and possibly FE4 Remake all recently too.

This Peach game looks like no small effort since the game design and world had to come entirely from scratch since there is little relation to the mechanics of Super Princess Peach. It is essentially a new IP built for this character.
 
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Pretty sure EPD Tokyo would have used some Toad Brigade members, instead of two generic Toads.

Next Level also had generic Toad, Blue Toad, and Yellow Toad in Luigi 3.

#teamGoodFeel
 
BooDestroyer said:
Place your bets on the inevitable Mario apperance in this game.

Probably briefly during the credits. Or after, when he's alone and realizes he failed to get to the theater in time.
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Wouldn't be surprised if they'll have him captured and have peach rescue him instead. I know they already did that in super princess peach but hey
 
BooDestroyer said:
Place your bets on the inevitable Mario appearance in this game.

Probably briefly during the credits. Or after, when he's alone and realizes he failed to get to the theater in time.
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Linkstrikesback said:
Wouldn't be surprised if they'll have him captured and have peach rescue him instead. I know they already did that in super princess peach but hey
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What makes you think he'll he here. Because Luigi's Mansion continuously does it?
 
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In the nicest possible way, I do hope Mario, Luigi and Bowser stay out of this one - maybe barring a cameo at the end or something.

The conceit that Peach is doing something off her own back and finding an adventure of her own is more interesting than rescuing Mario or fighting Bowser again.
 
topsekret said:
And that's what's worrying me. It was already ambiguous after the first teaser in June, and they didn't really do much to clear it up with this much longer trailer. Which is why I'm kinda thinking it's basically this random hodge-podge of mini games.

I'd love to be wrong, but if I am, then it's really just poor marketing on their part. To me this feels as bad as the Wii U marketing which caused people to be unsure if it was a new console or just a Wii accessory. Why did they only show a mini-game for Petissier Peach if there's more to it than that? Why not show it being used against enemies? Why mislead people into thinking the game is worse?
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It's kinda obvious it's basically a lowkey puzzle adventure. You ever played It Takes Two? That game is a co-op 3D platformer also changes up the gimmicks all the time. It even has a faux-2D fighting game-esque part just like Showtime did, not to mention there's a top-down ARPG section, some free-range flying, and way more bespoke setpieces where the game is bursting with ideas that go beyond what you expect from a platformer.
 
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Marce-chan said:
So who are we thinking it's the developer? Animations and graphics made me think of NLG, but I think IntSys is still likely. But with them probably being behind TTYD and that being a full remake I think it decreases the chances of being them.
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The more I watched the trailer, the more I think of Kirby. The gameplay, transformations, the appearance. Imho HAL is working on it.
 
Triistan said:
The more I watched the trailer, the more I think of Kirby. The gameplay, transformations, the appearance. Imho HAL is working on it.
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There are definitely visual elements that remind me of the Kirby series too.

Of course Good Feel did work on at least one of those as well...

Hmmmm

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I was pretty surprised by this, seems much more high effort than what I expected it to be. Pretty cool!
 
Detective Peach puts Detective Pikachu to shane

OT tagline should be “Detective Peach-achoo!”

Triistan said:
The more I watched the trailer, the more I think of Kirby. The gameplay, transformations, the appearance. Imho HAL is working on it.
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It would be such an odd move to put the developer of one of Nintendo’s most fruitful IPs on another one, but… for that reason I could see it
 
totofogo said:
Detective Peach puts Detective Pikachu to shane

OT tagline should be “Detective Peach-achoo!”


It would be such an odd move to put the developer of one of Nintendo’s most fruitful IPs on another one, but… for that reason I could see it
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Facts, Detective Peach>>>>>>>> Detective Pikachu.
 
Yeah I would guess this is Good-Feel as well.
The game looks nice so far, BUT, to me at least, I have not seen anything yet that screams Next Level Games' typical 'amazing animations'. Peach looks more stiff than I'd expect from NLGs. That, plus the 'enviroments are not real' deal, really feels like Good Feel.
Which I do hope is the case, cuz Switch 2 better get a absolutely gorgeous Luigi's Mansion 4 sooner than later, dangit XD


Also, hope everyone is prepared for the Swimsuit Peach section
 
MisterSpo said:
Right now I'm thinking it's going to turn out to be Good-Feel.

I think the less-than-two-year turn around from Mario Strikers is too short a window for NLG, unless it turns out to be co-developed with one of the EPD teams. I'd rule out Intelligent Systems now on the basis that development for the Peach game would've overlapped with at least 3 other games (Fire Emblem Engage, WarioWare Move It, Paper Mario TYD remake), possibly 4 (rumoured Fire Emblem 4 remake). That's a lot for Intelligent Systems to juggle and I don't think it's feasible. We can rule out NST given they've done both F ZERO 99 and Mario vs DK (and they were always a less likely candidate than the other studios).

Good-Feel's main Tokyo studio, which creates the Nintendo-contracted games, has been quiet since Yoshi's Crafted World in early 2019. Their Osaka team is about to self-publish a new game, but I don't think that's a barrier to Peach being in the works in Tokyo, especially given their president publicly said they wanted to have contracted games in the works in Tokyo alongside their own stuff in Osaka. Really, given Crafted World was nearly 5 years ago, a new Nintendo title from Good-Feel seems almost overdue.

I've also felt for a long time that porting Yoshi's Woolly World to Switch as a late life title would give Good-Feel an opportunity to work with a different Nintendo character rather than 3 Yoshi games on the bounce. I was hoping for Wario Land, but Peach has been badly served by Nintendo so I'm OK if this turns out to be Good-Feel's work.
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Finally getting Wooly World on Switch while seeing Good Feel try something innovative, that would make two pieces of good news at once, so I hope you're right. I was thinking of EPD Tokyo, but in addition, the division of Good Feel that would handle it is also based in Tokyo so they can work very well together, in the same way that EPD Tokyo was involved in some way when HAL developed Forgotten Land.

I don't think it's NLG either. Even if they weren't working on LM2 HD, preparing an ambitious LM4 for Switch 2 is certainly their priority. By the way, I hope HAL will also continue to explore ambitious projects with Kirby.
 
Peach game is absolutely not NLG, the animation is not their style at all whatsoever. Their animation style is pretty recognisable imo, you could immediately tell Strikers: Battle League was them, for example, but the opening(?) cutscene for the Peach game clearly shows it's not them, the Toads barely have a facial expression.
 
Skipper93653 said:
Peach game is absolutely not NLG, the animation is not their style at all whatsoever. Their animation style is pretty recognisable imo, you could immediately tell Strikers: Battle League was them, for example, but the opening(?) cutscene for the Peach game clearly shows it's not them, the Toads barely have a facial expression.
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I agree, this definitely looks like it's out of Japan, I still lean more on EPD Tokyo than Good Feel though.


If it is Good Feel and it does get the widespread sales I'm starting to envision, I think this might be the title that gets Nintendo to pull the purchase trigger, they want to be in charge of the studios that handle massive Nintendo IPs.
 
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If it's Good-Feel, then it may well start off deceptively simplistic and then become mind-blowingly creative and engaging. That's how Crafted World in particular felt to me. That kinda rings true to the trailers too for me. I think there a decent chance it's EPD Tokyo but I'd be really ecstatic for this game to come from either studio. I'd also be excited about a scenario where this is EPD and it turns out Good-Feel is making a craft-style DK game like @Supreme Overlord has suggested would be awesome and I feel the same way.
 
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So what other costumes would we like to see in Showtime? We know there are more coming, with some theorising that there will be ninja, ice skater and cowgirl outfits going from hints in the trailer.

A Sailor Moon get-up has been requested a few times from what I can see. I could also see then giving Peach a Sentai inspired costume - perhaps to combat a kaiju inspired enemy?

I'm also intrigued by what appears to be a shop in this screenshot:


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We can see Peach's regular dress is on display presently. Maybe you'll be able to spend the coins you collect on modifying Peach's default look with some cosmetic bells and whistles. Maybe they'll even let you unlock Daisy and Rosalina's dresses to wear as the default look. Daisy's dress especially would be easy to implement due to the similarities.
 
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This has a very HAL look to it. The way the language is written makes the otherwordly language from Forgotten Land come to mind. It may be HAL, altho that would be a first. I don't remember them ever working on a Nintendo IP that isn't theirs, in this case Kirby and not much else
 
The NOA upload of the trailer had now passed 1 million views.

It's even been catching up to TTYD - the gap is now just over 35k. 👀
 
JR436 said:
The NOA upload of the trailer had now passed 1 million views.

It's even been catching up to TTYD - the gap is now just over 35k. 👀
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At this point, we can hope about the overall interest, future sales and even a starting point for an entire "Peach line" branch of its own like it happen for Luigi.

I mean, someone may have already said this, but also the title wording structure is "Princess Peach: Something" which doesn't relate like Super Princess Peach to the "(New) Super Mario Bros" series name style. It would be very cool if successful enough for a ""new"" IP milestone.

I am also glad they made this move and as many others said here, it feels somewhat "predictable" that Good Feel is the actual dev, but even if not, Intelligent Systems can't be an option because they are too busy on many other projects and we are aware of them.
 
entut1 said:
This has a very HAL look to it. The way the language is written makes the otherwordly language from Forgotten Land come to mind. It may be HAL, altho that would be a first. I don't remember them ever working on a Nintendo IP that isn't theirs, in this case Kirby and not much else
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They made Pokémon Snap for the N64
 
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I'm not too worried about variety, it's the amount of depth in the game. I don't expect a lot of mechanical complexity in things like the combat, but I don't want it to be so simple that it's dull. Same with the level design, which I fear might be limited by the the stage play premise.

I'm drawing similarities between this and Luigi's Mansion 3 in a way. If it can be on par with that, PPS's potential would be crazy high
 
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