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Tyrien said:
Sorry

Edit: Okay, so I looked through it all. Isn't there like 2 Zelda teams within that one group? Seems like we rotate 2D and 3D zeldas and we usually do not say that the 2D Zelda impaired the 3D Zelda's development time.

It also says that the 3D mario team has an unannounced 2D game in the works. Is that not Mario Wonder also? (I know that is listed under the 2d mario team)
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No, those two Mario teams are completely separate, with entirely different producers and management. We have no reason to believe that Tokyo would be helping with Mario Wonder, which means the hiring calls for their 2D project are for something else entirely (which is very exciting).

The bulk of 2D Zelda games's development have also been handled by external partners (Grezzo) for a very long time now, with the Nintendo Zelda team mostly doing oversight. That's why they have not impacted active development on the 3D games.
 
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MetalLord said:
confused about the timeline,someone who left in january 2022 is in the credits,the contracts of those who worked on f-zero and the mario vs dk ones ended around the same time,both games are finished, but some contracts are still active,only half of the game designers are credited and two in support positions, mario vs dk dont seem to have new content,probably there is a third project ? support for epd tokyo
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Skipper93653 said:
Since F-Zero 99 is running in the 3D Mario engine, I'm willing to guess that the Mario vs. Donkey Kong remake, also by NST, is using the same engine too due to their familiarity with it with their experience with Captain Toad and 3D World.
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Yeah, it makes sense that ActionLibrary gets used for Mario vs DK given the overlap in staff. Assuming the next 3D Mario is also built in ActionLibrary, then NST could be on support duty for 3D Mario or EPD Tokyo's 2D game.
 
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Tyrien said:
Sorry

Edit: Okay, so I looked through it all. Isn't there like 2 Zelda teams within that one group? Seems like we rotate 2D and 3D zeldas and we usually do not say that the 2D Zelda impaired the 3D Zelda's development time.

It also says that the 3D mario team has an unannounced 2D game in the works. Is that not Mario Wonder also? (I know that is listed under the 2d mario team)
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There aren't two Zelda teams, no. They used to have 2D and 3D Zeldas running simultaneously but that's not like they had two "teams."

3D Mario is made in Tokyo (Koizumi/Hayashida). 2D Mario is made in Kyoto HQ, always under Tezuka (Mario Wonder). The 2D project from EPD Tokyo is why people were leaning so hard on them making a Donkey Kong game for some reason.
Dardan Sandiego said:
100%?
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I go all or nothing.
 
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How long would you estimate development time on a game like Rhythm Heaven would be for Switch? If they were heavily basing it off of the previous games then I'd imagine alot less time, so I wonder if it's still possible for Nintendo to release anything before Switch 2 drops. Mainly because I can't see RH releasing early in the next systems life cycle, so it feels like 2024 or bust if we'd want anything from that series.

TINFOIL HAT TIME:
I don't have much evidence to say a new game is coming, but here's some that come to mind:
  • Ko Takeuchi posting how he will "be busy for a while" in late June.
  • No original Rhythm Heaven announced (yet) for NSO online in Japan. I bring this up because we've had three examples, maybe more, of games being held off NSO due to remakes. Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Advance Wars 1+2 and Mario RPG. Square-Enix makes that last example more debatable though.
  • This one is reaching but: the musical note symbol in the Nintendo Live intro that we still don't know what it's from, as the other symbols were all based on other existing franchises or the Joy Cons itself. https://pasteboard.co/DDf4aOp1qZfi.jpg
  • WarioWare finishing development on not one but two games. Different development teams but isn't it confirmed they still share quite a bit of the same core members? That Glee Club reference in the Move It intro is pretty nice too, shows that they still are thinking about RH.
 
Rooster said:
Not necessarily the most realistic, but what an arc for NST if they became the F-Zero team.

But even with F-Zero 99 I'm not sure Nintendo would trust them (or the IP) to jump right into a new F-Zero before doing something like a GX remake.
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I would favor thinking that NST becomes involved in another 99 style game before another F-Zero.

SequenceErase said:
WarioWare finishing development on not one but two games. Different development teams but isn't it confirmed they still share quite a bit of the same core members? That Glee Club reference in the Move It intro is pretty nice too, shows that they still are thinking about RH.
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Essentially, the WarioWare team split into two groups when IS become an assistant developer. Half the team continued working on WarioWare with IS, and the other half basically created Rhythm Tengoku. But that was a long time ago... the WarioWare team is now a very small EPD group (Goro Abe, Ko Takeuchi, Norikatsu Furuta) were lead developers along the other EPD production members on the last WarioWare game for Switch - with the bulk staff being IS.
 
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SequenceErase said:
How long would you estimate development time on a game like Rhythm Heaven would be for Switch? If they were heavily basing it off of the previous games then I'd imagine alot less time, so I wonder if it's still possible for Nintendo to release anything before Switch 2 drops. Mainly because I can't see RH releasing early in the next systems life cycle, so it feels like 2024 or bust if we'd want anything from that series.

TINFOIL HAT TIME:
I don't have much evidence to say a new game is coming, but here's some that come to mind:
  • Ko Takeuchi posting how he will "be busy for a while" in late June.
  • No original Rhythm Heaven announced (yet) for NSO online in Japan. I bring this up because we've had three examples, maybe more, of games being held off NSO due to remakes. Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Advance Wars 1+2 and Mario RPG. Square-Enix makes that last example more debatable though.
  • This one is reaching but: the musical note symbol in the Nintendo Live intro that we still don't know what it's from, as the other symbols were all based on other existing franchises or the Joy Cons itself. https://pasteboard.co/DDf4aOp1qZfi.jpg
  • WarioWare finishing development on not one but two games. Different development teams but isn't it confirmed they still share quite a bit of the same core members? That Glee Club reference in the Move It intro is pretty nice too, shows that they still are thinking about RH.
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WarioWare and Rhythm Heaven teams have been separate since DS besides Ko Takeuchi doing art for both. Masami Yone was last credited on Big Brain Academy in collaboration with indieszero, which released in late 2021.

Indieszero worked on the new Theatrhythm which released this year and are possibly involved with the recently announced Retro Game Challenge remasters, so we may not see another Nintendo project from them for some time. That doesn't mean that EPD can't find another partner or make the game internally.
 
Call me surprised that Side Order will release as late as Spring 2024 (March with a new season). It seems like the development really begun when Splatoon 3 shipped, and some members likely went to work on different projects. But again according to datamining the Side Order was targeting Season 5 (this September), then Season 6 (December) and the latest update was Season 7 which was kinda confirmed yesterday. It was likely delayed at least one.
 
With yesterday's Direct potentially being the last one before new hardware is announced (though I feel that it will be the February Direct), a reminder of the known unannounced projects:


The 3D Tokyo project is almost definitely a new 3D Mario. Likely being saved for the next system. The 2D project is much more of a mystery right now. I know a lot of people are still on the DK train, but who knows at this point. Possibly a mid-2024 title?

I haven't ruled out the 3D Action port being Luigi's Mansion 2, even though I currently think NLG is handling it in-house. Namco started hiring for it around late 2021.

All we know about Grezzo's next big project is that it's a new action game with a medieval aesthetic and possibly runs on Unity. I originally thought this was for Jet Dragon, but a look through the game's credits and that the hiring page is still being updated shows that it's something else entirely. Grezzo started hiring for it in February 2021.

I may also make a post later about recently unseen EPD project leads and affiliate studios, but that will be much heavier on the speculatory side.
 
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N75 said:
With yesterday's Direct potentially being the last one before new hardware is announced (though I feel that it will be the February Direct), a reminder of the known unannounced projects:


The 3D Tokyo project is almost definitely a new 3D Mario. Likely being saved for the next system. The 2D project is much more of a mystery right now. I know a lot of people are still on the DK train, but who knows at this point. Possibly a mid-2024 title?

I haven't ruled out the 3D Action port being Luigi's Mansion 2, even though I currently think NLG is handling it in-house. Namco started hiring for around late 2021.

All we know about Grezzo's next big project is that it's a new action game with a medieval aesthetic and possibly runs on Unity. I originally thought this was for Jet Dragon, but a look through the game's credits and that the hiring page still being updated shows that it's something else entirely

I may also make a post later about recently unseen EPD project leads and affiliate studios, but that will be much heavier on the speculatory side.
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What about the MonkEPD donkey kong is that still in the cards or should we forget about it?
 
N75 said:
The 2D project is much more of a mystery right now. I know a lot of people are still on the DK train, but who knows at this point. Possibly a mid-2024 title?
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Regardless of whether it’s DK or something else (I still think it is), I don’t see any reason to predict it’ll be a current gen title. It’s almost certainly gonna be held for the next console, probably a launch year title.
 
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I will say that the end of life strategy from Nintendo is here is mildly obnoxious. Graphical remakes for a system in its 6th and 7th years feel weird.

Prime Remastered
Mario RPG
TTYD

Are all big effort graphical remakes that would have been a lot better on Switch 2. The timing is weird.

Do like the stuff like Princess Peach and F-Zero 99, that's perfect end of life stuff in being smallish but really interesting.
 
N75 said:
With yesterday's Direct potentially being the last one before new hardware is announced (though I feel that it will be the February Direct), a reminder of the known unannounced projects:


The 3D Tokyo project is almost definitely a new 3D Mario. Likely being saved for the next system. The 2D project is much more of a mystery right now. I know a lot of people are still on the DK train, but who knows at this point. Possibly a mid-2024 title?

I haven't ruled out the 3D Action port being Luigi's Mansion 2, even though I currently think NLG is handling it in-house. Namco started hiring for around late 2021.

All we know about Grezzo's next big project is that it's a new action game with a medieval aesthetic and possibly runs on Unity. I originally thought this was for Jet Dragon, but a look through the game's credits and that the hiring page still being updated shows that it's something else entirely

I may also make a post later about recently unseen EPD project leads and affiliate studios, but that will be much heavier on the speculatory side.
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As a Kid Icarus fan, I’m gonna laugh my ass off if the Bamco HD remaster turns out to be Luigi’s Mansion 2. To be honest, it’s about what I expected; I never expected Nintendo to come back to Uprising and what with Sakurai being busy and known bullshitter Zippo being the only person to say it was Kid Icarus, I was convinced it wasn’t in the cards anyway.
 
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Insiders like Emily and such said that Nintendo most likely would focus on remakes/remasters at the end of Switch's life to save most of the new stuff for the next system so I don't know why anyone should be surprised.

About NST and F-Zero 99, I do hope they gain enough experience to someday make a new entry or at least work on the GX remaster (although I don't really like the series and would vastly prefer a Captain Falcon action game).
 
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Comic Obsessed said:
Insiders like Emily and such said that Nintendo most likely would focus on remakes/remasters at the end of Switch's life to save most of the new stuff for the next system so I don't know why anyone should be surprised.

About NST and F-Zero 99, I do hope they gain enough experience to someday make a new entry or at least work on the GX remaster (although I don't realy like the series and would vastly prefer a Captain Falcon action game).
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Sure, but it's still obnoxious even if expected, lol.

Graphical remakes on a nearly finished system just is a weird concept, wait two years...
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I will say that the end of life strategy from Nintendo is here is mildly obnoxious. Graphical remakes for a system in its 6th and 7th years feel weird.

Prime Remastered
Mario RPG
TTYD

Are all big effort graphical remakes that would have been a lot better on Switch 2. The timing is weird.

Do like the stuff like Princess Peach and F-Zero 99, that's perfect end of life stuff in being smallish but really interesting.
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eh I think it's a nice way to still have guaranteed quality games with a reasonable lenght and there is nothing preventing patches new versions for the next system afterwards.

And they're still mixing new releases inbetween with Mario Wonder, Wario Ware and Peach. Smaller stuff is also helped in a big way with new indie releases which won't stop even after the next system is out.
 
None of the games Nintendo showed made me go "I should wait until new hardware to play this", which is a smart move if you want my opinion.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I'm saying plan the release schedule such that you've got minor, quirky games coming out for the Switch in 2023 and 2024 and have the release schedule planned out such that the remakes launch for Switch 2.
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Yes, I'm sure people buying a new system will love to play 20 year old stuff that barely looks like it's worth being played on new hardware.

There's also the fact that if they're aiming for new system and want to avoid comments like "looks like Switch1 game lol" it requires more manpower for... everything, to make it look better and run better. That increases the costs and makes them significantly more risky on a brand new system. Whereas on Switch you have a strong core audience and a good potential of casuals that might just pick it up because they're looking for something new to play.
 
oomoepoo said:
Yes, I'm sure people buying a new system will love to play 20 year old stuff that barely looks like it's worth being played on new hardware.

There's also the fact that if they're aiming for new system and want to avoid comments like "looks like Switch1 game lol" it requires more manpower for... everything, to make it look better and run better. That increases the costs and makes them significantly more risky on a brand new system. Whereas on Switch you have a strong core audience and a good potential of casuals that might just pick it up because they're looking for something new to play.
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One of the three launch titles for the PS5 (and the only full priced game) was a remake!
 
@Dark Cloud Still considering this? Desperate for anything Prime 4 right now 😭

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Slash said:
@Dark Cloud Still considering this? Desperate for anything Prime 4 right now 😭

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Nate's sources are OK, but not great at all so I don't know how much it would be worth, lol.

He has 4th hand info I think (hence, someone at NST told a friend about F-Zero 99, who told someone in the industry that F-Zero was coming back, who took this to mean F-Zero GX was getting remastered and told this to someone else, and this someone else told Nate).

Not bad, but... Probably not worth $13,000....
 
Said it over in the Peach thread, but I'm leaning more and more towards Good-Feel being responsible for that. They've not shipped a Nintendo-contracted project since 2019, and their Osaka team for self-published stuff is a separate team to their Tokyo staff.

Intelligent Systems have plenty on their plate between Fire Emblem, WarioWare this year and it's confirmed they're doing a Paper Mario remake for 2024 (and potentially another Fire Emblem, too). Doesn't seem they'd have the bandwidth for anything else. NST were always a long shot but the latest news also rules them out. Next Level I also thought would be a bit of a long shot given it'd be a less than 2 years turn around between games.
 
Slash said:
@Dark Cloud Still considering this? Desperate for anything Prime 4 right now 😭

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Nate probably won’t be up for this lol

MisterSpo said:
Said it over in the Peach thread, but I'm leaning more and more towards Good-Feel being responsible for that. They've not shipped a Nintendo-contracted project since 2019, and their Osaka team for self-published stuff is a separate team to their Tokyo staff.

Intelligent Systems have plenty on their plate between Fire Emblem, WarioWare this year and it's confirmed they're doing a Paper Mario remake for 2024 (and potentially another Fire Emblem, too). Doesn't seem they'd have the bandwidth for anything else. NST were always a long shot but the latest news also rules them out. Next Level I also thought would be a bit of a long shot given it'd be a less than 2 years turn around between games.
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I didn’t realize Good Feel hadn’t put out a game in so long. They’d make the most sense due to timing.
 
lemonfresh said:
yes its a remake but its still going to be on the base switch. There is nothing "next gen" about that game. With Demons Souls its definitely looks like a next gen ps5 game. That's the difference
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... I'm saying it's mildly annoying that these games targeted the base Switch instead of being planned for Switch 2 as graphical remakes.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Then Demon's Souls PS5 is also a remaster... Which was the start of this entire conversation?
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Which it is? PS5 (next-gen) exclusive release schedule has been disappointing with until recently having only Demon's Souls and Ratchet:RA as 'big' exclusives, which is 100% related to the comment above about big games during launch period being risky during low installbase, the difference between PS5 and Switch 2 though is that Nintendo is forced to take such a risk to force people to come over to their new systems because what sells consoles in Nintendo case is their big 1st party games while Sony can 'coast' and if they deliver a good product like PS5 just release cross-gen and smaller games at the start and get 'carried' by 3rd parties.

Nintendo uses the remasters just like they did with WiiU ports filling scheduling gaps and have low cost with decent reward releases during the whole year, especially late during a generation when their studios have jumped to developing for the new console (even if cross-gen making Switch 2 SKU takes time).
 
so far all the upcoming remasters/remakes are looking good (aside from perhaps Luigi Mansion 2 that still needs some work) so I don't even understand why we're having this conversation like somehow those games are missing out massively by not being Switch 2 remake/remasters instead. Like sure they could always look better with newer features but they're also in heavily stylized looks that will pass the test of time after their release ( like Link's Awakening in 2019).

It'd be somewhat disappointing if they don't receive patches supporting the next gen hardware with either higher resolutions or improved framerate but hardly a deal breaker.
 
N75 said:
With yesterday's Direct potentially being the last one before new hardware is announced (though I feel that it will be the February Direct), a reminder of the known unannounced projects:


The 3D Tokyo project is almost definitely a new 3D Mario. Likely being saved for the next system. The 2D project is much more of a mystery right now. I know a lot of people are still on the DK train, but who knows at this point. Possibly a mid-2024 title?

I haven't ruled out the 3D Action port being Luigi's Mansion 2, even though I currently think NLG is handling it in-house. Namco started hiring for around late 2021.

All we know about Grezzo's next big project is that it's a new action game with a medieval aesthetic and possibly runs on Unity. I originally thought this was for Jet Dragon, but a look through the game's credits and that the hiring page still being updated shows that it's something else entirely

I may also make a post later about recently unseen EPD project leads and affiliate studios, but that will be much heavier on the speculatory side.
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Sorry for the double post but could the possible Monolith Soft "action game" potentially count since there have been job postings for it over the years with still no real confirmation it was for TOTK ?
 
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Adulfzen said:
Sorry for the double post but could the possible Monolith Soft "action game" potentially count since there have been job postings for it over the years with still no real confirmation it was for TOTK ?
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I'm still hesitant to add it right now. For all we know, the recent UI artist listing could just imply that the next Xenoblade is more action-based. It's just too early to say.
 
N75 said:
I'm still hesitant to add it right now. For all we know, the recent UI artist listing could just imply that the next Xenoblade is more action-based. It's just too early to say.
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Fair enough, really hope it does manifest in 2024 if it exists.
 
N75 said:
I'm still hesitant to add it right now. For all we know, the recent UI artist listing could just imply that the next Xenoblade is more action-based. It's just too early to say.
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MonolithSoft Action Game is probably my most hyped game next to prime 4
 
MisterSpo said:
Intelligent Systems have plenty on their plate between Fire Emblem, WarioWare this year and it's confirmed they're doing a Paper Mario remake for 2024 (and potentially another Fire Emblem, too). Doesn't seem they'd have the bandwidth for anything else.
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This one we can rule out pretty easily now, thanks to the copyright info for the games featured this time.

WarioWare:

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Paper Mario:

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Peach Showtime:

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Now, if we're interpreting things from the copyright text, then it may not actually be Good-Feel either? The exact format has differed over the years but the one consistency for their titles has been listing the year:

© 2008 Nintendo

© 2010 Nintendo / Good-Feel © 2010 HAL Laboratory, Inc. / Nintendo

© 2013 Nintendo Developed by Good-Feel

© 2015 Nintendo Developed by Good-Feel

© 2015 Nintendo / Good-Feel

© 2016 Nintendo Developed by Good-Feel

© 2017 Nintendo Developed by Good-Feel

© 2019 Nintendo Developed by Good-Feel © 2019 HAL Laboratory, Inc. / Nintendo

© 2019 Nintendo
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That could easily change so I wouldn't take it as a definitive confirmation it isn't them, but the more they advertise their new game being featured in Directs without acknowledging Peach, the more skeptical I am of it being them. Starting to consider that it might just actually be an EPD project by this process of elimination; either that or a studio outside of their regular collaborator pool.
 
MondoMega said:
This one we can rule out pretty easily now, thanks to the copyright info for the games featured this time.

WarioWare:

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Paper Mario:

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Peach Showtime:

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Now, if we're interpreting things from the copyright text, then it may not actually be Good-Feel either? The exact format has differed over the years but the one consistency for their titles has been listing the year:



That could easily change so I wouldn't take it as a definitive confirmation it isn't them, but I can't lie, the more they advertise their new game being featured in Directs without acknowledging Peach, the more skeptical I am of it being them. Starting to consider that it might just actually be an EPD project by this process of elimination; either that or a studio outside of their regularly collaborator pool.
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Plot twist: we're actually looking at EPD Tokyo's 2D action game.
 
MondoMega said:
This one we can rule out pretty easily now, thanks to the copyright info for the games featured this time.

WarioWare:

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Paper Mario:

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Peach Showtime:

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Now, if we're interpreting things from the copyright text, then it may not actually be Good-Feel either? The exact format has differed over the years but the one consistency for their titles has been listing the year:



That could easily change so I wouldn't take it as a definitive confirmation it isn't them, but the more they advertise their new game being featured in Directs without acknowledging Peach, the more skeptical I am of it being them. Starting to consider that it might just actually be an EPD project by this process of elimination; either that or a studio outside of their regularly collaborator pool.
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You're right, we must remain cautious, but it's exactly this detail that makes me think that the Peach spin-off is EPD Tokyo's side project, which would be a very good news in absolute terms and bad news for anyone who likes Donkey Kong, as I do.
 
I just don't know how you can confuse DK for Peach

Also we didn't know Pikmin 4 was co-developed by Eighting until it came out right?
 
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