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StarTopic Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack |ST| New 2024 Poll Up

How will Nintendo handle the NSO with the launch of the Switch 2

  • Everything on the service becomes playable on launch day of the new system.

    Votes: 150 76.9%

  • A slow roll out with a promise to move everything over within 12 months from launch day

    Votes: 25 12.8%

  • LOL Nintendo is going to start all over with just NES games in late 2025

    Votes: 18 9.2%

  • Nothing will transfer over because the Switch 2 won't be backwards compatible with the Switch 1

    Votes: 2 1.0%
  • Total voters
    195
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Chris Walken said:
What transparency bug?

My point is that 50$ for games from ages and a doubtfull quality online service is not worth it.

30$ probably, not 50$, especially without chat voice (that thing with the smartphone app is terrible).
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no one is forcing you to subscribe fam lol
 
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Chris Walken said:
What transparency bug?

My point is that 50$ for games from ages and a doubtfull quality online service is not worth it.

30$ probably, not 50$, especially without chat voice (that thing with the smartphone app is terrible).
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The online is p2p, it works as good as the quality of the signal of one of the two peers is. It worked well on NES and SNES, and it works well on N64.

The age of those games is irrelevant. On the second hand market, just Sin & Punishment is worth those 50 €, and more. Not to mention some games on the Mega Drive library like Gunstar Heroes and Castlevania Bloodlines are even more expensive than that.

Look, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but yours is based in some probably skewed reports and giving a random value to some games due to their age. Calm down, breathe. We're trying to avoid heated arguments and toxicity here.
 
Speaking in purely Canadian dollar ammounts

I had a solo sub for 25 bucks. I paid about 40 to get the Expansion Pack.

I was going to buy the Animal Crossing DLC anyway, and in Canada that‘s like 33 bucks.

Therefore

I paid 7 dollars for N64 and Genesis games

I think that’s fine
 
Chris Walken said:
What transparency bug?

My point is that 50$ for games from ages and a doubtfull quality online service is not worth it.

30$ probably, not 50$, especially without chat voice (that thing with the smartphone app is terrible).
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$50 covers DLC as well as retro games. I'm sure more DLC will be added to the Expansion Pack to entice people to lock in for a year. Also never needed voice chat for online, but I'd like to see Nintendo improve how its online handles.
 
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Nintendo Life report is in. Some room for improvement but overall perfectly serviceable.

Biggest issue is online with overseas friends. Domestic seems to work fine.

The input lag is noticeable to the sensitive but not really to the level of being an issue to the vast majority. Alex reckons its about 130ms (8 frames) and actually no different than 3D All-Stars, though his measurement is crude.

The fog problem is noticeable, but aside from particular instances where it was used for aesthetic effect, not a game breaker. Otherwise the games look great (for N64 I guess) with the upscaling.

All in all, an improvement over WiiU at least.



 
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Chris Walken said:
What transparency bug?

My point is that 50$ for games from ages and a doubtfull quality online service is not worth it.

30$ probably, not 50$, especially without chat voice (that thing with the smartphone app is terrible).
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Okay, see that is different. You worded why you think the price is too high - and something almost everyone here who is not interested in animal crossing especially, agreed with. There should have been a middle tier offered. Great point about 30/35 bucks.

But you should have stated it as such. The way you expressed yourself is just something that belongs on the old site or twitter.
 
Clix said:
Okay, see that is different. You worded why you think the price is too high - and something almost everyone here who is not interested in animal crossing especially, agreed with. There should have been a middle tier offered. Great point about 30/35 bucks.

But you should have stated it as such. The way you expressed yourself is just something that belongs on the old site or twitter.
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There was never going to be chance of a third tier option. Subscription services generally don't like tiers. They want you to pay for everything even if it's mostly stuff you don't want. I pay $50 for PS Plus to play online games and I don't really care about the free games every month. I would like for there to be a tier with just online but it's not gonna happen.
 
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Derachi said:
A lot of discourse today has been regarding OOT. How’s the emulation on the other 8 games? Anyone have a quick breakdown of how those games are running?
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Other than missing controller pak support meaning no saving on winback(which is a trade off for rumble) everything works fine
 
Jimmy Joe said:
How's the Turbo 64 work with it now?
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Like the Brawler 64, it's seen as a pro controller, and It doesn't allow for button mapping so you're stuck with the main config wich doesn't even fit the emulator's fixed mapping.

I'm contemplating it as an alternative to the official one if by christmas it's still sold out/hard to get (it's also 10 € cheaper) but i need word from Retro bit before biting the bullet
 
Reinhard Schneider said:
Like the Brawler 64, it's seen as a pro controller, and It doesn't allow for button mapping so you're stuck with the main config wich doesn't even fit the emulator's fixed mapping.

I'm contemplating it as an alternative to the official one if by christmas it's still sold out/hard to get (it's also 10 € cheaper) but i need word from Retro bit before biting the bullet
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Booo! Hisssss!

Well if nothing else it'd work nicely with retroarch, but, I mean... would really love to be able to remap all that
 
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Dino Ventura said:
Not a fan of the high resolution of the rendering on the N64 games. It makes the low res bitmaps really jarring, like on Starfox or the backgrounds of OOT
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Played OOT and this stood out to me more than anything! The bushes in Kokiri Forest look weird and there's a lot of mismatch between some textures, pre-rendered backgrounds and other objects.
 
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bloopland33 said:
you learn something new every day! Is rollback just not possible with more than 2 people?
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It absolutely is possible and is quite common in shooters (including Splatoon, I think), and a p2p connection isn't mutually exclusive with a rollback netcode either

I don't know if N64 games use delay-based netcode or not, but the number of players there shouldn't be the thing doing it
 
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Played a good few hours of online. Tried every N64 games online and it worked almost flawlessly. Only game that had a couple issues was Mario Kart 64 but it was still playable. Starfox 64, Mario Tennis, Winback, Dr. Mario... all worked prefectly fine with three players with all good connections (two ethernet, one wifi).

Only tried two games on Megadrive but it also worked fine (except that Golden Axe is a boring mess of a game but still).

Winback online quickly turns into Dark Souls
 
It's hilarious going back to Mario Kart 64 because I now realise (thanks to a ton of experience with 8 Deluxe) that I was playing the game completely wrong as a kid. I don't think I ever really drifted and man, that's where half of the fun of this game is. I kind of appreciate how punishing it can be too (driving into a heavy character as a light character at the starting line will genuinely mess you up).
 
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Reinhard Schneider said:
The online is p2p, it works as good as the quality of the signal of one of the two peers is. It worked well on NES and SNES, and it works well on N64.

The age of those games is irrelevant. On the second hand market, just Sin & Punishment is worth those 50 €, and more. Not to mention some games on the Mega Drive library like Gunstar Heroes and Castlevania Bloodlines are even more expensive than that.

Look, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but yours is based in some probably skewed reports and giving a random value to some games due to their age. Calm down, breathe. We're trying to avoid heated arguments and toxicity here.
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Yish, chill, my intention was not to carry toxicity here, specially after abandoning "that place".

Sorry, it wasn't my intention. :/

I just don't like Nintendo sometimes due to some really bad decisions, especially price tag related, it's a pity because i love their software.
 
Do y'all think I might be better off with OOT on Wii VC using Retrotink vs. NSO?

(Is anyone happy with OOT on NSO? I hope to be!)
 
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Most major gaming outlets are reporting on the emulation, controller and lag issues. I'm glad to see it tbh.

I was quick to dismiss everyone's pricing complaints during the announcement, but it's pretty disappointing how unrefined the N64 app is. The lack of button remapping is particularly irritating to me. Bummer that I had to spend extra $$ for the N64 controller to fix the issue. And that only fixes docked play.
 
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Chris Walken said:
Yish, chill, my intention was not to carry toxicity here, specially after abandoning "that place".

Sorry, it wasn't my intention. :/

I just don't like Nintendo sometimes due to some really bad decisions, especially price tag related, it's a pity because i love their software.
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I mean the bottom point is fair. Sometimes they make missteps. I think one, that this was a bit rushed to make the deadline. Two, they should have had NERD fully do the emulation, or at the least have them refine it now.
 
Maybe this has already been discussed here, but when upgrading to the expansion plan it seems like Nintendo is not reimbursing the exact amount that corresponds to the whole unused period of the original subscription.

Here in Europe the original family plan costs 35€ (0.09586€ per day) yet they are applying a 0.09€ daily rate when calculating the reimburse amount. In my case, since my subscription was originally renewed every 16/9, if I upgrade today to the expansion there are approximately 325 unused days in my original plan, which means that Nintendo will keep ~2€ just because of their rounding choice.

I mean, it's not a huge amount, but I'm a bit annoyed that they came up with such a "cheap" choice.

Hopefully I made a mistake somewhere here.
 
Reinhard Schneider said:
The online is p2p, it works as good as the quality of the signal of one of the two peers is. It worked well on NES and SNES, and it works well on N64.

The age of those games is irrelevant. On the second hand market, just Sin & Punishment is worth those 50 €, and more. Not to mention some games on the Mega Drive library like Gunstar Heroes and Castlevania Bloodlines are even more expensive than that.

Look, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but yours is based in some probably skewed reports and giving a random value to some games due to their age. Calm down, breathe. We're trying to avoid heated arguments and toxicity here.
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one of the problems with the enthusiast market is that piracy still exists and has to be considered even if it's illegal. these games are, functionally, free and easily playable on a lot of common hardware. they are neither difficult to acquire nor difficult to run. that affects perceived value in a non-negligible game.

when the paid legal solution is markedly worse than the free illegal one, a service has failed
 
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I missed it when everyone was adding their guesses to that NSO N64 spreadsheet.....was there space for Snowboard Kids?
 
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Derachi said:
Speaking in purely Canadian dollar ammounts

I had a solo sub for 25 bucks. I paid about 40 to get the Expansion Pack.

I was going to buy the Animal Crossing DLC anyway, and in Canada that‘s like 33 bucks.

Therefore

I paid 7 dollars for N64 and Genesis games

I think that’s fine
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From an Australian point of view

The yearly sub here is AUD 30.00

The Expansion was an Extra 30.00

DLC here generally retails from 30-40.00 AUD so If I play the Animal Crossing DLC (I will) I'm getting the n64 and genesis games for nothing
 
OldSkOoL said:
From an Australian point of view

The yearly sub here is AUD 30.00

The Expansion was an Extra 30.00

DLC here generally retails from 30-40.00 AUD so If I play the Animal Crossing DLC (I will) I'm getting the n64 and genesis games for nothing
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It’s even better here in Europe. A solo sub costs €20, the Expansion Pack costs €20 as well, while the AC DLC costs €25. So getting the Expansion Pack is €5 cheaper and gives you access to N64- and MegaDrive-games.

So if someone isn’t planning on playing the AC DLC for more than a year (looking at how little day 1 AC players still played it regularly after a year, that’s a lot of people) it’ll be the better option to go with the Expansion Pack. The EP is only a bad deal here if you have no interest in the classic games and you wanna play the AC DLC for years and years to come.

1/8th of a family plan is even better value, since it’d only cost you €8,75 for a year.
 
@MondoMega is there a compilation of assumed/guessed titles based on the datamining lists?

Edit: saw the N64 one on the last page.
 
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Clix said:
I mean the bottom point is fair. Sometimes they make missteps. I think one, that this was a bit rushed to make the deadline. Two, they should have had NERD fully do the emulation, or at the least have them refine it now.
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Or give NERD more time than the 6 weeks since the announcement ...

(Kidding, will prolly bite if/when Waverace touches down. Or Quest 64)
 
uncleoptimus said:
Or give NERD more time than the 6 weeks since the announcement ...

(Kidding, will prolly bite if/when Waverace touches down. Or Quest 64)
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True, but someone mentioned iQue actually did the N64 emulation and NERD “may” have gotten involved. Which if that’s the case, that’s bonkers. The work they did with SNES on NSO and the Mini is fantastic IMO
 
Dinoman96 said:
It is possible that there may be more than these 38 N64 games, or will that be it once they're all filled out?
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It's very possible that they add more games out of alphabetical order following OoT. SNES games were initially added in an alphabetical batch and then they just threw them in whatever order (presumably when they got permission to use them).

Weebos said:
Did we have similar data for NES and SNES? If so, have those been filled?
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Yes; there are still a lot of gaps left open for both, especially SNES.

NES carried over its game ID system from the FC/NES Mini, so it isn't 100% reliable for NSO as some of the IDs are likely for games that will never end up on the service. It's fun to see how many games they presumably considered for the mini console but didn't make the cut though!

SNES restarted its ID system for NSO and didn't carry over anything from the SFC/SNES Mini, so that's a lot more reliable in terms of games specifically tested for NSO.

CyberWolfJV said:
Here's my guesses... with blue being the games that are confirmed to be coming later

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Probably got some stuff out of order because it's organized with their japanese names on the data, right? So Mystical Ninja would be Ganbare Goemon and so forth. But some are quite easy to predict... shocked with all 3 Mario Party games being among them!
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I think those guesses are pretty good! I do think that 1080, Excitebike 64 and Harvest Moon 64 will return from Wii U VC though, so i'd make a few changes to fit those in.
 
Tried OoT for like 5 min. It's fine, but it didn't take long for "why am I not just playing OoT 3D instead?" thought to cross my mind. Lol. But yeah, I don't see myself ever wanting to play through the N64 game again. The remake fully replaced it in my eyes.
 
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Clix said:
True, but someone mentioned iQue actually did the N64 emulation and NERD “may” have gotten involved. Which if that’s the case, that’s bonkers. The work they did with SNES on NSO and the Mini is fantastic IMO
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In NERDs we trust 🤞

Unrelated, but this is the first Ive heard that iQue performs functions like this. Always thought that was an entity set up in China for the purposes of distribution.

(Edit: TIL abt iQue!)
 
uncleoptimus said:
In NERDs we trust 🤞

Unrelated, but this is the first Ive heard that iQue performs functions like this. Always thought that was an entity set up in China for the purposes of distribution.

(Edit: TIL abt iQue!)
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I thought so too. But I looked over at the wiki page and it seems they are slowly transitioning to become a development partner to assist EPD.

en.m.wikipedia.org

iQue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

So take that as you will :/
 
Hmm, not interested with this input latency. For the premium Nintendo is charging these really should be better...
 
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Clix said:
I thought so too. But I looked over at the wiki page and it seems they are slowly transitioning to become a development partner to assist EPD.

en.m.wikipedia.org

iQue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

So take that as you will :/
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Cheers for the headsup, I take this initiative as an overall positive. Loads of dev talent, both technical and creative.
We will surely see great works in the future (if not today, I havent tried the new service yet heh).

Back to the service, it looks like the content is going to be solid, and hopefully updated more frequently.

My major wish is that they can somehow emulate a "Super n64" in terms of boosting games w smoother performance. Doesnt look like that is in the cards. Admittedly I dont know if that was feasible in the first place.
 
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GJ said:
It’s even better here in Europe. A solo sub costs €20, the Expansion Pack costs €20 as well, while the AC DLC costs €25. So getting the Expansion Pack is €5 cheaper and gives you access to N64- and MegaDrive-games.

So if someone isn’t planning on playing the AC DLC for more than a year (looking at how little day 1 AC players still played it regularly after a year, that’s a lot of people) it’ll be the better option to go with the Expansion Pack. The EP is only a bad deal here if you have no interest in the classic games and you wanna play the AC DLC for years and years to come.

1/8th of a family plan is even better value, since it’d only cost you €8,75 for a year.
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It's very rare PAL markets receive a good value deal. I will enjoy this!
 
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