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Oh boy that would absolutely be a completely different can of worms.
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Pre-Release Bayonetta 3 — Pre-release Discussion Thread
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Yeah this situation is a disaster on all accounts. What an utter shitshow.
Fuck TERFs, people who support genocide shouldn't have a place in a healthy work environment, they are a menace. Dont know if Taylor is one but it sure looks like it.
I hope one way or another this raises awareness about workers' rights in the industry at least.
Fuck TERFs, people who support genocide shouldn't have a place in a healthy work environment, they are a menace. Dont know if Taylor is one but it sure looks like it.
I hope one way or another this raises awareness about workers' rights in the industry at least.
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In light of, uh, recent developments, I'd like to congratulate Jennifer Hale for landing the gig. Big shoes to fill, Hatsune Miku is a tough act to follow.
More seriously: what a shitshow of a story. If this is what puts a lid on it, it's the worst way of getting closure, since people will just move on from the conversation around VA labor. In any case, giving a terf more exposure is hardly ideal.
More seriously: what a shitshow of a story. If this is what puts a lid on it, it's the worst way of getting closure, since people will just move on from the conversation around VA labor. In any case, giving a terf more exposure is hardly ideal.
Is it that weird? He's the face of the company and a lead creative, plus people wrongfully assume sequels are directed by the same person who did the original (see, the various DMC games and Bayo 2)
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I think he's basically the Miyamoto of Platinum where he has been advising for games but not he's not in the directors chair. In the context of the tweet, I think the main point that he's trying to make is that Hideki Kamiya and his style of games is the main selling point. It's the reason why people would buy Bayonetta. They are not buying it to hear a particular voice actor. That's different compared to Hollywood where actors are certainly a selling points for movies and therefore, can demand/negotiate higher compensation.
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He is credited as executive director, so he is very much involved. Or at least way more than in Bayonetta 2, where he was just one of the two writers.
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No. He's still pretty involved. He's credited as "Executive Director", and there was some stuff published around when Hashimoto left the project and it was rebooted/Miyata was made the new director that Kamiya was taking a slightly more hands on role than he originally planned.
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Very interesting series of tweets from someone, who knows more about the subject than all of us put together. Thanks for sharing.
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Didn't realize that, thanks.
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Damn, this context is enlightening. Thank you for posting.
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I hadn't wanted to comment until I'd finally gotten to checking out the videos in question, so many angles of addressing the topic have already been cycled through, but so much of the discussion around this, here and elsewhere, has given the distinct impression of being fueled entirely through pathos. And it's great that people are capable of feeling that, but it's not good to rely on it entirely; this, in fact, can lead to lashing out in untempered emotion.
Let's start with the oft-repeated anger at Platinum citing "scheduling conflicts" as the source of the change, where we can see that the line was "various overlapping circumstances," which doesn't bring quite the same weight with it.
The Hideki Kamiya element of the discourse, for example, really gives this impression of mere lashing out, resulting from dislike and anger alone, without consideration beyond those. A major element of that has been the comments on xenophobia, which I'm glad to see are already addressed here: I recall as Kamiya very actively engaged with English comments for a long time, but, well, the man's been targeted with some vile (and racist/xenophobic) content. The whole situation around that was and is unfortunate, and it doesn't sit right to see glee here for a harassment campaign against him.
And people have further fueled this with their insistence that he's blocked them over this incident specifically. He would have always blocked them regardless, but there's more fuel for the fire.
That's not to say his general Twitter presence or persona is well thought out, and it's not to say his Twitter response to this situation was a good idea or well presented, but the response to that, even here, was and is also questionable.
By all means, take issue with the way he's handled this so far -- that tweet seems, at the least, ill-advised, even if it does appear to indicate there's more he can't say currently but might eventually-- but we should be cognizant of more than our hate-fed dopamine.
Likewise, while there are some questions as to Hellena Taylor's story -- such whether payment amounts indicate less recording time and, perhaps, a reduced role, which also could feed into the feeling of hurt and insult, or how much she would have been working on it regardless -- there were definitely unfortunate reactions to her.
The implications she might be less deserving of decent pay, or that she deserves to be removed from the role, or that her story should be entirely discarded outright simply because of her Twitter follows or because she quoted the Bible -- not even what she quoted from it or how it was used but because she had the absolute audacity to reference it at all! -- aren't born of reason. The Twitter follows isn't substantial to argue she can't be taken seriously here -- it would be supplemental to a well-reasoned argument at best --and I seriously doubt these specifically have led to Platinum wanting to remove her from the role.
It's incredible how many times I've seen "but she referenced the Bible" used as a sticking point in this. Could anyone explain how that is at all germaine to the situation?
And that's not to say her presentation and handling of the situation has been perfect either. At the very least, most people here can likely agree there was no need to throw Jennifer Hale to the wolves.
In short, I hope we can continue to handle discussions thoughtfully regardless of what -- if anything -- is further revealed regarding the situation at hand, and I wish I could hold out such hope for the wider internet.
Of course, it's no secret here that there's a larger discussion intersecting with this regarding the industry's handling of voice actors in general; however, I do suspect this instance won't lead to continued consideration of such, especially outside circles such as this. Perhaps it could yet be leveraged to those ends, given industry personelle weighing in on it.
And for some other takes I've seen brought forth often in my surveyings:
This is unlikely to be what kills Bayonetta as a franchise.
It's also not killing the Platinum x Nintendo relationship.
Let's start with the oft-repeated anger at Platinum citing "scheduling conflicts" as the source of the change, where we can see that the line was "various overlapping circumstances," which doesn't bring quite the same weight with it.
The Hideki Kamiya element of the discourse, for example, really gives this impression of mere lashing out, resulting from dislike and anger alone, without consideration beyond those. A major element of that has been the comments on xenophobia, which I'm glad to see are already addressed here: I recall as Kamiya very actively engaged with English comments for a long time, but, well, the man's been targeted with some vile (and racist/xenophobic) content. The whole situation around that was and is unfortunate, and it doesn't sit right to see glee here for a harassment campaign against him.
And people have further fueled this with their insistence that he's blocked them over this incident specifically. He would have always blocked them regardless, but there's more fuel for the fire.
That's not to say his general Twitter presence or persona is well thought out, and it's not to say his Twitter response to this situation was a good idea or well presented, but the response to that, even here, was and is also questionable.
By all means, take issue with the way he's handled this so far -- that tweet seems, at the least, ill-advised, even if it does appear to indicate there's more he can't say currently but might eventually-- but we should be cognizant of more than our hate-fed dopamine.
Likewise, while there are some questions as to Hellena Taylor's story -- such whether payment amounts indicate less recording time and, perhaps, a reduced role, which also could feed into the feeling of hurt and insult, or how much she would have been working on it regardless -- there were definitely unfortunate reactions to her.
The implications she might be less deserving of decent pay, or that she deserves to be removed from the role, or that her story should be entirely discarded outright simply because of her Twitter follows or because she quoted the Bible -- not even what she quoted from it or how it was used but because she had the absolute audacity to reference it at all! -- aren't born of reason. The Twitter follows isn't substantial to argue she can't be taken seriously here -- it would be supplemental to a well-reasoned argument at best --and I seriously doubt these specifically have led to Platinum wanting to remove her from the role.
It's incredible how many times I've seen "but she referenced the Bible" used as a sticking point in this. Could anyone explain how that is at all germaine to the situation?
And that's not to say her presentation and handling of the situation has been perfect either. At the very least, most people here can likely agree there was no need to throw Jennifer Hale to the wolves.
In short, I hope we can continue to handle discussions thoughtfully regardless of what -- if anything -- is further revealed regarding the situation at hand, and I wish I could hold out such hope for the wider internet.
Of course, it's no secret here that there's a larger discussion intersecting with this regarding the industry's handling of voice actors in general; however, I do suspect this instance won't lead to continued consideration of such, especially outside circles such as this. Perhaps it could yet be leveraged to those ends, given industry personelle weighing in on it.
And for some other takes I've seen brought forth often in my surveyings:
This is unlikely to be what kills Bayonetta as a franchise.
It's also not killing the Platinum x Nintendo relationship.
Mr Doggo
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outstanding post. Addressing just one part of it, i think its outrageous how people rummage through an entire person's life in hopes to see a sign, as small as it is to see if they deserve their attention or if they deserve their absolute hatred.
If quoting the bible is all that some people need to call her depressing things, just go outside and touch some grass please.
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It doesn't matter what petty reason people decided to look deeper for, if they found something extremely problematic, that information needs to be shared asap. Va's in gaming and anime get underpaid for their work, but that doesn't make you immune from criticism for the other actions you take or the people you follow or interact with.
What would happen if the situation was reversed? If a developer/publisher gave a va a lucrative pay + residuals contract, and then people found out they were a horrible person right before launch?
We can strive to be better, push the anime and video game industries to pay va talent better, and to also make sure that we promote va talent who aren't problematic. We ultimately don't know enough in either camp to definitively say if Taylor actually was being under paid or if the counter offer was more lucrative then other vas for the same size role would get, and we don't know if Taylor is just incredibly naive of the people she follows on SM, or if she's savvy enough to know what not to say to get herself in trouble while also supporting problematic elements.
Also trans rights are human rights, if you find out you're following problematic people, even by accident/ignornace, correct that shit asap.
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yes i agree. We dont know. And its egregious that behavior of accusing someone of terrible acts with superficial proof is being brushed off like that.
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There's multiple threads worth of discussion that can be had on this topic, but I'll save that for if the opportunity arises. I will however say, the danger of one person being wrongly accused of transphobia is far less than the danger covert and unknown transphobes present to trans people. I will not be commenting any further on this in this thread.
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I know many people point to Chris Pratt's Twitter follows as part of the reason to be sus of him, but with Hellena Taylor people say it's not right to judge someone based on that.
For the record I am not equating the two situations. There's way more red flags for Chris Pratt. I get the impression Hellena Taylor is religious and she happens to follow Trump family members. Does that mean she's necessarily bad in any way? Shrug. like many things in this situation, there's not much to go off without wild speculation. I really only commented cause I thought it was interesting how immediately against using Twitter follows as evidence people are in this case, when they'll quite happily point to that with Pratt (but ofc as I said, there's more to those circumstances so I understand the difference)
For the record I am not equating the two situations. There's way more red flags for Chris Pratt. I get the impression Hellena Taylor is religious and she happens to follow Trump family members. Does that mean she's necessarily bad in any way? Shrug. like many things in this situation, there's not much to go off without wild speculation. I really only commented cause I thought it was interesting how immediately against using Twitter follows as evidence people are in this case, when they'll quite happily point to that with Pratt (but ofc as I said, there's more to those circumstances so I understand the difference)
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Well I feel like this should make Hale's opinions a lot clearer, since they were a bit neutral seeming earlier (but now seems to be a lot more clear). There's still a lot about this story that we don't know but it also seems apparent that that is indeed the case and the situation wasn't as clear cut a case as it might have initially seemed
I feel like this controversy might well be on its way out at this point unless we get substantial new information, but hopefully it did raise enough awareness about VA issues in general to cause some sort of positive impact, regardless of what the details of this particular situation end up being.
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why would she be neutral about someone smearing her
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Because it's the responsible thing to do when you see the person smearing you is hurting.
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allow me to rephrase
why would your opinion of someone smearing you be neutral? I agree it would be appropriate to remain silent but the idea that her opinion on the situation was neutral surprises me
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The big mistake was going after Jennifer Hale. The videos could have been done with just wishing Jennifer Hale well in the role or not even mentioning her at all. It takes away from the focus on the issues are actually important and it drags someone into it when they didn't do anything wrong. She took the role that was offered to her.
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The reason it's"different this time" is that her work status has nothing to do with her politics, so bringing it up only muddies the conversation. IF we find out she was proselytizing her views or something at the job, then maybe you can extrapolate. Until then, please drop it.
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The controversy, itself, has already effectively run its course. People on social media have chosen their respective camps, perhaps the most crucial voices about this have sounded off in a way that paints the best picture of the situation we're going to get without any further NDAs being broken, and meanwhile, the game, itself, has apparently gotten even better press through this "October Surprise" than Game Informer's month-long feature could give.
If anything...
...what I'm hoping is that this ordeal helps in any way when it comes to negotiations that'll be occurring in a few weeks. Either raise the minimum significantly, or give these guys and girls their residuals.
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Great thread and he's 100% right.
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I can't wait to play this guys. I buy these games hoping that one day we get a more powerful system and hope it's backwards compatible. If my dream comes through will play the hell out of astral chain again. I already clocked 400+ hours in it. 
Yeah, it really is the Internet outrage experience™ in a nutshell, then.
Though I suspect most of these people in question never intended to buy the game in the first place.
Is not this what modern economic system based on? you are only worth as much as it costs to replace you. Pretty shitty but it is universal, even for c-suite positions. Though it seems platinum was paying according to the standards. I hope VA get a increase in their overall standard pay but only wish this happened to any other studio. Platinum are not exactly a rich multibillion dollar fatcats. And this incident can cause a lot of people to lose their jobs if they go under who are paid a lot less then a VA.
This entire ordeal should be studied in the future as a great example of the perils of social media. So many rushed conclusions formed based on obviously incomplete information, harassment of multiple people, spreading misinformation, confirmation bias, twitter history sleuthing, piracy justification, and so much more. The internet in 2022 can be a very dangerous place.
With the information that we have I'm finding it difficult to empathize with Hellena. It looks like she was offered the standard rate, then got that raised and found that insulting. It looks to me like she over-estimated her value or thought that the Bayonetta IP and Platinum are much bigger than they really are. Her comments saying that she's the voice of Bayonetta and that Hale can't sign merchandise as such show that she thinks of herself as having some kind of ownership of the character or her contribution being more integral than it really is. Sadly, I think you hit the nail in the head when you say that you are only worth as much as it costs to replace you. The language being used is specially telling, saying that she felt insulted with the offer when it's what most people in the industry are being paid, and doing so when her last job as VA was 8 years ago, when added to the above feels like a terrible disconnect.
Let's be real for a moment: The fanbase plays through the games a million times but skip the cutscenes every time after the first playthrough (I know I do). The games even have a shortcut to skip cutscenes faster! Bayonetta's flavour vocals and grunts are a nice part of the game, but in the end Hellena's work amounts for a very tiny part of the experience. In my case, as long as the gameplay of Bayo3 is great I'll be happy. In fact, I find that a lot of cutscenes in Bayonetta are extremely cringey and I would like the games more if they were removed. My point is that Hellena's work, even if superb, is not one of the reasons of why I like the games as much as I do. And also, we need to give actors credit only for what they do have credit. The line in 2: "If you need to learn how to talk to a lady, ask your mom" is amazing not because it is performed really well, but because it's a great shoutout to one of Kamiya's catchphrases. What Bayonetta says should be credited to the corresponding person, but it feels like everything coming out of her mouth is thanks to Hellena. Mari Shimazaki, Hideki Kamiya and many others have as much right, or even more, to say that they're Bayonetta than Hellena. A programmer that's spent a couple hundred hours programming her combos has already spent much more time than Hellena in both 1+2 shaping the character. Actresses and actors are front and center while the other 99.99% members of the teams are anonymous people working hidden behind the scenes, but if we're talking about fair payments and handling royalties, I think that they should be given first and in a bigger amount to those in the dev team.
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I've been unironically advocating for a return to pre social media internet here. The small web still exists, maintaining and navigating small personal websites is still possible, and it's even easier than ever.
We need to always remember that social media aren't open platforms; they're driven by algorithms designed to boost controversies and raise engagement. The entire medium is loaded towards distorting reality in a way that triggers our base impulses to keep us posting.
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I don't know if you're referring to me with this post, but I should say my opinion in Kamiya has nothing to do with hate, I'm not even invested in his games or anything surrounding his person.
I have always thought his behavior on twitter is toxic whenever it made the news. People often downplay it as a funny act, but I don't think telling people to fuck off and calling them a brainless insect for trying to interact with him in English is funny or healthy. "Insect" might be a funny word in English or whatever, but it is a very demoralizing word to call someone in other languages and that's probably the case in Japanese or he wouldn't have used that specifically.
The context of him suffering xenophobic attacks in English is awful and relevant, but it doesn't justify treating people who weren't involved like that. He could have simply stopped replying anyone in English, no need for name calling.
I also never expressed glee for the harassment campaign against him, nor did I see anyone doing that. If you're referring to someone specifically better quote that post because that is a grave accusation to throw around in general.
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About this, it wasn't posted here so I'm not sure people are aware, but it was brought up a tweet from Taylor herself where a fan asked her if Bayonetta would say "trans rights" and she deflected by writing a lot of nonsense including that she believes in "gentle female power" and she sides with both "trump supporters and sanders supporters" because there is much "anger and division".
That alone makes it very very clear to me that she does not support trans rights (otherwise she could have simply said "trans rights") but she also thinks trans right are some kind of political agenda, and coupled with her following a huge terf personality, that is enough for me to decide stop giving her a platform. You might not agree that is enough evidence, but depending on our background, we have different levels of sensibility on different matters, and that's where I draw my line.
As for the bible stuff, I agree with you. I defended her from accusations like that earlier in the thread, but new information has surfaced and I was unfortunately forced to reassess my stance on her.
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People keep forgetting that she has negotiate up to reach $4000 as the final offer(according to her of course). My take is this was an offer for her to move on, as they knew she wouldn't bite on it. Jennifer was likely paid much more and Taylor felt like she was thrown under the bus without any formal consultation. This is what happens on the corporate world, and it's even worse for contractors. No matter how hard you worked on building something or being a team player, you're always expendable. Don't get it twisted, I'm not saying she is "Bayonetta" but you gotta feel for her when this would have been her 3rd game, and she was low-balled like that.
My final verdict: buy the game if you wanna play it. This seems like a corporate dispute, rather than true mistreatment of an employee. It's perfectly legal, but more disrespectful if you ask me(I'm also a corporate worker and been through some negotiations as well) given her background with the franchise.
My final verdict: buy the game if you wanna play it. This seems like a corporate dispute, rather than true mistreatment of an employee. It's perfectly legal, but more disrespectful if you ask me(I'm also a corporate worker and been through some negotiations as well) given her background with the franchise.
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Game looks terrific. This entire Twitter misadventure has been an unfortunate distraction from how much effort has been put into this by a talented team.
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I've not seen people forgetting this. In fact, it's this very fact that may suggest her role was for less than four 4 hour sessions, as $4,000 is extremely close to the SAG minimum for a four session role. If she was being offered $4000 for two or three sessions, that means she was being offered 33% to 100% higher than the standard rate for her performance work.
With that, however, we can still have a discussion on whether the SAG minimum is enough, and in fact with just a few weeks until the SAG-AFTRA Corporate/Educational & Non-Broadcast contract expires, this is the perfect time to get this conversation going again. Certainly VAs do deserve to be making more if their performance is shared with more people than projected, and I hope that residuals are on the docket in this instance.
No to bully Taylor here, but I do think she missed an opportunity here. She centred herself, Platinum Games, and Jennifer Hale in this issue as lone offenders and victims, when the reality is an industry standard. I would have preferred she had instead taken this as a chance to speak out about the industry-wide issue. Then, she could have been a voice for VAs, she could have helped push the industry forward, and she could have ultimately saved her career.
But I do acknowledge she was hurting, and it's difficult to act with all the forethought of a mostly unbothered bystander when you're hurting. She's very clearly someone who cares about people, cares about her religion, and has suffered deeply from depression for quite some time if her Twitter likes are anything to go by. I do hope that she finds happiness elsewhere, but she's gone scorched earth with voice acting against the single company that's given her credited work in the last decade, and any future employer will see this mess she can cause before ever offering her another contract.
I also want to mention, I'm not ignoring that she does appear to be a transphobe, and if she doesn't speak out about that in support of the trans community, she proves herself unworthy of my sympathy, but I stand by my words for any individual who finds themselves in the same place as Hellena did. When I say her finding happiness, that includes finding herself sympathetic to all people. We can and must call out people for shit beliefs and ideals, but people do learn and grow as I'm sure every person in this forum has in the last two decades.
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This is a supremely fucked up conclusion to reach
Aether
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thats what anoyed me so much about this discussion:
the ask for royalties.
linus answered this a few weeks back on a viewer question why moderator x doesn’t get a bonus because he did such a good job moderating:
Because hes not the only person doing a great and important job. Whats with the writer, the camera man, the editor, the warehouse logistics… all those that make it even possible for the video of that moderater to come to fruition.
Its part of their problem. If everybody gets a bonus, videos would not be possible anymore.
its not fair to only give more to those that are front ant center, those are not more importaint (In most cases).
befor people say „all of them should get royalties“:
we already have license hells for rereleases. Then, on a rerelease, you get new people working on the, and this would get increased with every rerelease (more people for the new port), games would not be ported anymore since they would stop beingr profitable, and handling rights would become a nightmare.
a good base pay and retuneling the earnings into more freedome and stability at the workplace instead of payouts (of any kind) is the way to go. A game sold great? Awesome, let your stuff maybe experiment and come up with out there ideas and take a risk on them with the surplus you earned from your last project. Have a low in work during preproduction for the next game? Dont throw out your talent, keep them and eat the cost For some stability.
there are a handfull cases where a person is more worth to a product then most.
taylor swift is front and center. A robert downey junior movie? There is a high chance (outside of marvel) that people would go see the movie not for the plot, cinematography or music but for him as the main actor alone.
to get back: yeah, i think she did overestimate heir imporance to the character, the figure of „making 400+k“ ..
taking ALL releases on all platforms into account, rounding up and asuming a minimum of 1m where numbers are not known (and going by how nintento had to save the second game i dont belive that), counting 60$ for every release…
we get to 750m. Knowing that many of those sales where was below full price (bundles of 2 and 3, or with vanquish) lets reduce that by a third (like, all of switch kopies game with 1 AND 2 for a full price,…)
then where at 490m At the high end.
then lets remove just a third for taxes, platform owners, retail (we know digitally just the platform cut is 33%…) and were at 330m.
yeah, no, her numbers for the franchise where off, the way she talked about here colleague was not okay…
she did not do herself a service with that.
im all for better wages, giving credit, etc.
but the solution are not shitstorms, and screaming for bonuses and incrased pay for the most public persons.
when will we start making shitstorms because painters, masons, etc arent getting bonuses and royalties for buildings they have worked on? Or heck, in tech generally, if you work for a company, and develop stuff on payroll, its the property of the company, you are not owed money forever, not in the usa, nor germany, nor japan,…
what we do need is a rethinking of property and ownership.
having people sit forever on old stuff they have recouped their time/money/work investment from is a problem.
copyright needs to be reduced a lot. Patents also. properties that are not for personal
use should move into the ownership of the tenant over time.
and to not be only off topic with my rant…
im actually curious how focused the story actually is on bayonetta, when we have viola as a second story relevant character.
by the depth of the mechanics it seems bayonetta did get the focus, but i could see it being a third less then in prior games to have some space for viola. Her gameplay looks fine, im just still not getting warm with her design…
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It's true though. Hellena Taylor hasn't been credited in any game since Bayonetta 2 in 2014, she doesn't really have a big or impressive portfolio, or anything like that.
She's just an actress who was offered an industry standard rate, declined it and was then replaced - there's nothing more to it.
She's just an actress who was offered an industry standard rate, declined it and was then replaced - there's nothing more to it.
She is primarily a theater actor. Saying she is just a service diminishes the work she put in to build the character, and the love that fans had for her performance. She is Bayonetta and Platinum should have fought tooth and nail to keep her in her role.
I can't believe you all are serious here.
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Is she bayonetta, is the animation bayonetta, her writing?
I get that sometimes there are cases where a certain actor becomes synonymous with a character, especially if he was involved in the writing of that character.
But its not on the actor to decide if that happens, its on the audience.
Is the audience still happy with it when that aspect changes.
VA changes happen all the time. People get recast in movie series and sitcoms, and more often then not it works out fine.
You can be unconfortable eith that, but she does not holf inherent rights to the character of bayonetta. If she creates a character and has the copyright, thats different.
To me its the same if a musician says he has to score a sequel, since he made the last one and his composition is not seperable from the series. (Kondo and Mario, Uematsu and FF).
Personally for me with bayonetta:
Great performance,but the elements that made the series in order are: gameplay, score, weirdness, and then we get to the characters (bayonetta, rodan), and there i would put writing va and animation/choreography on the same level, so its a 4th of my 4 favorite aspect of the game while the one that was probably the shortest in work hours...
Edit: this does not mean her VO cant make or break the character for you and that she is bayonetta for you.
Im just arguing that its not a right/wrong position but personal preference.
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If this game was coming hot on the heels of Bayo 2 maybe I'd disagree with changing the actress, but it's been 8 years in which she has done no video game VA whatsoever.
At this point her market value has completely diminished and whatever they offered her was probably the best she was going to get.
Normally jobs don't work like that. If you don't accept the offer, that's ok, somebody else, as talented as you and sometimes even more, will accept it.
Real life is tough.
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Hopefully it doesn't impact critics score for whatever reason
Her story is really sad, we're talking about years of hard work not being benefitial to her at all, extremely bad situation to be in
but it's totally unfair for the dev team to take complete responsibility for her situation, they worked really hard at this game for years, and especially with their recent failures, they really need a win here
It is true though. Bayonetta is kamiya's brainchild. The things the franchise is most famous for are all associated with kamiya and clover not her.
Belinda Blumenthal
Sales Director
If that comment about voice actors not being "talent" was true then nobody would bother getting voice acting for video games. You need look no further than the myriad of poor English dubs for Japanese localisation to see how false that statement is. Hellena's performance is a significant part of Bayonetta's appeal and characterisation.
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