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Rumour Metroid Prime remaster/remake planned for 2022 (UPDATE: new rumor from Jeff Grubb, see threadmarks)

I actually played Echoes before Prime 1, so there's probably some bias from that, but I think Echoes would pretty clearly be the better game if not for a few things holding it back:
  1. The difficulty. The original GCN release was hard. They made it substantially easier in the Trilogy re-release.
  2. Lack of thematic variety in the environments. Echoes had better level design than Prime 1, but that design took the form of a dark and dreary desert, a dark and dreary bog, a dark and dreary ruined city, and then a dark world version of each. Prime 1 had lush green jungles, vibrant lava-flooded caverns, and beautiful snowy peaks. Echoes really needed something similar to mix it up.
  3. Beam ammo. For whatever reason people hated beam ammo, even though it was plentiful and you could fire without ammo via charge shots the few times you ran out.
Plus the fact that Prime 1 was so ground breaking when it came out while Echoes was more iterative.

So yeah I'd go 1 > 2 (barely) >>>>> 3.
 
Lack of thematic variety in the environments. Echoes had better level design than Prime 1, but that design took the form of a dark and dreary desert, a dark and dreary bog, a dark and dreary ruined city, and then a dark world version of each. Prime 1 had lush green jungles, vibrant lava-flooded caverns, and beautiful snowy peaks. Echoes really needed something similar to mix it up.
Although I'm of a similar mindset (that being, Echoes could've stood to diversify itself a bit more, biome-wise), I wouldn't quite throw Sanctuary Fortress in with the rest. It had its own, unique vibe, and stumbling into it after desert and bog was a pretty captivating moment... like, finally seeing the true heights of the Luminoth, as a civilization. It wowed me pretty good.
 
Sanctuary Fortress is the best Metroid Prime area.

Metroid Prime is still the better game though, although I appreciate Echoes in several aspects.
 
Although the AUs aren't inherently malicious, narratively, they serve to underscore the Federation's desire to appropriate the function of pretty much any enemy they can, which is consistent with their characterization across the rest of the series, as well.
Exactly! And to me that always made sense, as the Federation always struck me as a typical large organization that wants to constantly expand their influence and jurisdiction, but is very often outmatched by the other forces at work in the galaxy and have to constantly rely on Samus or other freelancers to get things done. And it seemed to me with Fusion (even though I know they pretty much soft-retconned that game as a "faction" of the Federation, or at least that's my understanding) that top brass in their ranks were getting sick of having to always call on her, as they had their own plans and machinations that they knew she would have moral qualms with. They wanted a soldier, and instead were forced to rely on a hero. So to try and erode the necessity of that relationship, they keep pushing the boundaries of research to try and get ahead of their enemies and eventually, to put her out of the picture. I really loved the idea of that subplot as it resonates with my more cynical sensibilities far more than Nintendo's seeming determination to portray her and the rest of the GFed as flawless galactic saviors. It's again a lot like Ellen Ripley's relationship with Weyland-Yutani in the Alien films.

Regarding Alien / Weyland-Yutani, you're right, and even though I've been a Metroid fan my whole life, it really took way too long until I finally watched it. It holds up exceptionally well, obviously. In the end, I think I still prefer The Thing, but they're both top class. Haven't seen Aliens yet, so I should probably get around to that soon. I did play Alien: Isolation, which was a memorable, worthwhile experience, as well. My dream game is a high-budget 3D remake of Fusion with an especially pronounced emphasis on horror, and Xenomorph / Mr. X tier stalker mechanics, for the SA-X (as opposed to the highly scripted nature of its original implementation). Alas, that likely isn't ever gonna manifest, but I can dream!
Oh man, you're really in for a treat. Alien is a lot more about the atmosphere and the mystery which I love, but Aliens is an absolute classic of an action sci-fi film and is pretty much where events from the first movie cause things to really hit the fan. They're very different films and I like that, because to me it does a great job of conveying the differing severity of the events in each respective film. The Thing and practically anything John Carpenter has done is also fantastic, you have great taste. (If you like The Thing and also horror-fiction in the form of podcast series, I have a good recommendation that I've been listening to recently that you might enjoy.) But I digress - Fusion is my favorite 2D game for its atmosphere and themes and what you suggested sounds right up my alley. I always wanted Fusion but just... More. Turn it up to 11. I like the way you think!
 
This is not a "big" holiday game, far from it.

Personally I really enjoyed Prime 3 on Wii, bought the triology later to play the first games ... and I played some hours of MP1 and was so bored and disappointed that I never bothered with MP2.

So unless they really reworked MP1 (not just graphics and controls) I don't see it going big in any way.
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I just love the lore that Metroid Prime 3 bestowed upon us. Rundas, Ghor, and Gandrayda all being different hunters belonging to various species (each with a respectable level of characterization, unlike the hunters from... well, Hunters), Samus interacting with some of the Federation grunts (and Admiral Dane), the Aurora Units being an interesting concept (keeping with the series's brain motif), Bryyo's backstory of a civilization ravaged by the conflict between science, and the old ways, the implication that the Chozo from Elysia were the ones that eventually settled Tallon IV... the list goes on. It really is a great game.

Agreed. Props for it providing the first confirmation that female Chozo exist, even if it was entirely through lore!

Again, my only thing was that the Federation was portrayed all humans, which flies a bit in the face of what the Zero Mission manga (and the Super Metroid Nintendo Power comic that came before it) proposed that it was a truly diverse populace consisting of a lot of other alien races.

Hopefully, that much will change if we do see more Feddie involvement in future games.
 
Agreed. Props for it providing the first confirmation that female Chozo exist, even if it was entirely through lore!

Again, my only thing was that the Federation was portrayed all humans, which flies a bit in the face of what the Zero Mission manga (and the Super Metroid Nintendo Power comic that came before it) proposed that it was a truly diverse populace consisting of a lot of other alien races.

Hopefully, that much will change if we do see more Feddie involvement in future games.

All humans with the sole exception of bounty hunters for some reason.
 
This is not a "big" holiday game, far from it.

Personally I really enjoyed Prime 3 on Wii, bought the triology later to play the first games ... and I played some hours of MP1 and was so bored and disappointed that I never bothered with MP2.

So unless they really reworked MP1 (not just graphics and controls) I don't see it going big in any way.
Controversial, and you will get flack, but i agree with you. Its an awesome game, but this sounds like a remake on par with nier replicant, which i wouldnt really consider a big holiday tier title tbh. Still, i love prime, ill buy it, i hope nintendo can still find it in their hearts to rerelease the gamecube zelda games this year too. In general, i feel like the industry has been relying on rerleases and remakes to pad out their calendars for a few years now, and i do wish we were getting a big new title this year on the level of a mario odyssey, smash ultimate, or breath of the wild
 
Controversial, and you will get flack, but i agree with you. Its an awesome game, but this sounds like a remake on par with nier replicant, which i wouldnt really consider a big holiday tier title tbh. Still, i love prime, ill buy it, i hope nintendo can still find it in their hearts to rerelease the gamecube zelda games this year too. In general, i feel like the industry has been relying on rerleases and remakes to pad out their calendars for a few years now, and i do wish we were getting a big new title this year on the level of a mario odyssey, smash ultimate, or breath of the wild
Metroid Prime has to be one of the most revered and acclaimed games of all time. Especially from Gen 6. A remake from Retro has the potential to be really amazing visually. Nobody bat an eye when Demons Souls was a launch title for PS5 but somehow Prime can't be a holiday title in the same time frame? nah. It also won't be the only game Nintendo has for the holiday season so....

It will probably be a nice teaser for Prime 4 and people will be obviously hyped because of the legacy and the recent release of Dread.
 
Exactly! And to me that always made sense, as the Federation always struck me as a typical large organization that wants to constantly expand their influence and jurisdiction, but is very often outmatched by the other forces at work in the galaxy and have to constantly rely on Samus or other freelancers to get things done. And it seemed to me with Fusion (even though I know they pretty much soft-retconned that game as a "faction" of the Federation, or at least that's my understanding) that top brass in their ranks were getting sick of having to always call on her, as they had their own plans and machinations that they knew she would have moral qualms with. They wanted a soldier, and instead were forced to rely on a hero. So to try and erode the necessity of that relationship, they keep pushing the boundaries of research to try and get ahead of their enemies and eventually, to put her out of the picture. I really loved the idea of that subplot as it resonates with my more cynical sensibilities far more than Nintendo's seeming determination to portray her and the rest of the GFed as flawless galactic saviors. It's again a lot like Ellen Ripley's relationship with Weyland-Yutani in the Alien films.
Very well put! I especially like "They wanted a soldier, and instead were forced to rely on a hero." If that ain't the perfect summation of where the Federation stands in Fusion, I swear.

Fusion was my very first Metroid, and one I'll always hold dear to my heart for a myriad of reasons, the above being just one of them. It may not be fair to say it plays as well as some of the other series highs, like Super, or Prime, but there's just so much it does that hits right for me. The oppressive horror atmosphere, the threat of the X, and their gradual takeover of the station, Samus's characterization, her defiance in the face of the Federation's plans, her willingness to give her life, if need be... that little GBA game really made its mark on me, and informed my taste in games, growing up. To this day, Samus Aran is still my favorite character in anything. I've finished Fusion a few dozen times, throughout my life, and will always keep going back for more.

(Relating to Samus's characterization in Fusion, I responded to someone the other day with the following, and I'll just copy and paste that here, for relevance.)
A core theme of Fusion is a lack of control, well communicated through both the narrative (Samus at her weakest, most vulnerable state), and the gameplay (navigation of B.S.L. being so restricted, Adam and the Federation limiting Samus's every move). Ultimately, when Samus chooses not only to act in defiance against the Federation's desire to weaponize the X, but also sacrifice her life to ensure their demise, if necessary, it obviously tells us a lot about her character. Metroid 1-3 mainly consisted of Samus following orders, and we aren't given much, in terms of understanding where she'd draw the line (with the notable exception of her choice to spare the baby). Much of who she is, is left to the imagination. In Fusion, however, all is laid bare: Samus isn't the Federation's workhorse, she's a maverick. Her adherence to authority begins and ends with her own, discerning moral compass.
Regarding the "soft retcon" you mentioned, btw: I was initially bummed out, upon realizing Dread wouldn't serve as the "Samus vs. the Galactic Federation" game many of us always thought it'd be, but it's my understanding that expectation was the result of the English localization having omitted a key detail: that the behind the scenes baddies in Fusion were merely a rogue cell of the Federation that were seeking to weaponize the X Parasites, as opposed to the GF in its entirety, acting as a unified body. That certainly makes more sense, of course, but I dunno, I'll always wonder what a Metroid 5 following the ending as presented in the English localization might've looked like. Many of us unknowingly waited almost two decades for a storyline that would never actually manifest. 😰 What a bummer!
Oh man, you're really in for a treat. Alien is a lot more about the atmosphere and the mystery which I love, but Aliens is an absolute classic of an action sci-fi film and is pretty much where events from the first movie cause things to really hit the fan. They're very different films and I like that, because to me it does a great job of conveying the differing severity of the events in each respective film. The Thing and practically anything John Carpenter has done is also fantastic, you have great taste. (If you like The Thing and also horror-fiction in the form of podcast series, I have a good recommendation that I've been listening to recently that you might enjoy.) But I digress - Fusion is my favorite 2D game for its atmosphere and themes and what you suggested sounds right up my alley. I always wanted Fusion but just... More. Turn it up to 11. I like the way you think!
I'll be sure to watch Aliens soon! Yeah, I've heard it said that it's a fantastic sequel, just different from the first. I'm imagining something like Terminator 1, to 2. I'd be glad to get your recommendation on that podcast, too. It's not The Magnus Archives, is it? My friend recommended that to me a few times. Still need to get around to listening.

I'm glad we feel the same way about Fusion! Assuming it does eventually see a remake, I can only hope they take the opportunity to meaningfully expand upon what was there in the original. I know MercurySteam originally wanted to remake Fusion, not Return of Samus, so maybe they'll get their wish someday.
 
Metroid Prime has to be one of the most revered and acclaimed games of all time. Especially from Gen 6. A remake from Retro has the potential to be really amazing visually. Nobody bat an eye when Demons Souls was a launch title for PS5 but somehow Prime can't be a holiday title in the same time frame? nah. It also won't be the only game Nintendo has for the holiday session so....

It will also probably be a nice teaser for Prime 4 and people will be obviously hyped because of the legacy and the recent release of Dread.
Just like Super Mario collection can be a big holiday title so can this. This game, like you said, is one of the all time greats. It was back then and it still is today. There’s just not many games like it.
 
Metroid Prime has to be one of the most revered and acclaimed games of all time. Especially from Gen 6. A remake from Retro has the potential to be really amazing visually. Nobody bat an eye when Demons Souls was a launch title for PS5 but somehow Prime can't be a holiday title in the same time frame? nah. It also won't be the only game Nintendo has for the holiday season so....

It will also probably be a nice teaser for Prime 4 and people will be obviously hyped because of the legacy and the recent release of Dread.
"visually impressive" for the switch and ps5 are very different things. Absolutely 100% metroid prime 1 HD and 4 will not have anywhere near the same impact MP1 did on the GC visually, nintendo stopped doing non-shit hardware after the GC.
 
Fusion was my very first Metroid, and one I'll always hold dear to my heart for a myriad of reasons, the above being just one of them.
Mine too! And I probably beat it well into the double digits... Just over and over. It really seems like it shaped our expectations of what Metroid ought to be, and our strong opinions of Samus as a character. And for it to then become both of our favorites in terms of game and character, really speaks to me what a strong game Fusion was, and how well she was depicted. Personally I don't think Samus was ever at a higher point character-wise than Fusion, though I'm thankful that Dread continued to push her in a strong direction even with less overall lines. I missed her philosophical musings from Fusion. I always got the impression from those that she was as intelligent as she was physically capable. Love your impression of Fusion's themes, too. Spot on. It was a game that took an already powerful person that we didn't know a lot about, and stripped them to the core, in order to demonstrate who they really were in their most dire moments, and why we should empathize and stand with them.
Regarding the "soft retcon" you mentioned, btw: I was initially bummed out, upon realizing Dread wouldn't serve as the "Samus vs. the Galactic Federation" game many of us always thought it'd be, but it's my understanding that expectation was the result of the English localization having omitted a key detail: that the behind the scenes baddies in Fusion were merely a rogue cell of the Federation that were seeking to weaponize the X Parasites, as opposed to the GF in its entirety, acting as a unified body. That certainly makes more sense, of course, but I dunno, I'll always wonder what a Metroid 5 following the ending as presented in the English localization might've looked like. Many of us unknowingly waited almost two decades for a storyline that would never actually manifest. 😰 What a bummer!
Yeah, I've also heard this. I've seen the proof enough to know that it's the reality, but I guess I still kind of cling to my English interpretation. It just strikes me as a very critical detail to omit, and I find it hard to believe it was passed over. Though, Nintendo apparently also had a pretty different idea of what a "bounty hunter" was vs. the common Western perception, so I guess it is what it is. I've still always wanted that theoretical Dread where she was forced to face off with her former superiors and expose them to the galactic community. Would be a really cool fan game, if Nintendo weren't the sort to blast it off the face of the internet...
I'll be sure to watch Aliens soon! Yeah, I've heard it said that it's a fantastic sequel, just different from the first. I'm imagining something like Terminator 1, to 2. I'd be glad to get your recommendation on that podcast, too. It's not The Magnus Archives, is it? My friend recommended that to me a few times. Still need to get around to listening.
That's actually a pretty good approximation, yeah. Both awesome classics but in their own ways. And no, it's not TMA, though I do love that series too! It's called The White Vault... Kind of a supernatural archeological murder mystery/thriller that takes a lot of cues from The Thing and other classic sci-fi horror. It's presented as the written records and audio recordings detailing the fate of a multi-national expeditionary team who have stumbled upon something they really shouldn't have. Gets more complicated as it goes and eventually becomes kind of a world-spanning series of events. It's a great time and it's free on Spotify if you have it! There's a website for it too if not.
I'm glad we feel the same way about Fusion! Assuming it does eventually see a remake, I can only hope they take the opportunity to meaningfully expand upon what was there in the original. I know MercurySteam originally wanted to remake Fusion, not Return of Samus, so maybe they'll get their wish someday.
Honestly I'm kind of glad that Mercury Steam cut their teeth on M2. It's not one of my personal favorites and felt like it had the most to be expanded upon, and since I had a fair amount of issues with Samus Returns and their design philosophy for the remake (most of which were fixed and improved considerably in Dread), I'd be a lot more comfortable with them remaking Fusion now vs. then, as I think they've now proven that they have enough experience under their belt at this point to do my favorite Metroid justice!
 
"visually impressive" for the switch and ps5 are very different things. Absolutely 100% metroid prime 1 HD and 4 will not have anywhere near the same impact MP1 did on the GC visually, nintendo stopped doing non-shit hardware after the GC.
one should think people would be happy when Nintendo gives a beloved core gaming franchise the slot for a big holiday title.

A Prime Remake is in the same class as a Ocarina of Time remake. It is a legendary game for obvious reasons.
The game doesn't need to rival PS5 games for it to be worthy to be in that slot.
It is also quite a small game compared to modern games and standards so me saying it could look impressive (for Switch standards duh) isn't some wild fantasy.
 
Agreed. Props for it providing the first confirmation that female Chozo exist, even if it was entirely through lore!

Again, my only thing was that the Federation was portrayed all humans, which flies a bit in the face of what the Zero Mission manga (and the Super Metroid Nintendo Power comic that came before it) proposed that it was a truly diverse populace consisting of a lot of other alien races.

Hopefully, that much will change if we do see more Feddie involvement in future games.
I have a wild notion that we're going to see a female Chozo character in the next mainline Metroid game. We may have even already seen her:
Who is that shrouded figure, watching over the army of Mawkin X? Whoever they are, they appear to be keeping their distance. During the escape sequence at the end, the ships in Hanubia are missing, so I can only assume this mysterious figure was able to escape ZDR, prior to its destruction.

Remember how Raven Beak was teased in the completion images of Samus Returns? What if this represents a similar tease, for a future character?

This trailer is interesting, because its narration is that of an older sounding female voice, belonging to someone who seems to know a lot about Samus, even referring to her as "the best of all of us (Chozo?), and yet, her story is beyond us". I may be looking too deeply into things, but I hope it's something.




As for the seeming lack of species diversity in the Federation, I can only assume Retro simply didn't wanna go through the trouble of making all sorts of unique alien models for what would only amount to a couple scenes, since the GF stuff makes up such a small part of Prime 3.
 
I'll preface this by saying that I frequently play PC games at 4K 60/120 on my LG CX so I'm well accustomed to bleeding-edge razor sharp looking games, yadda yadda and all that jazz.

But I think Prime HD has the potential to be a very damn pretty looking title, one of the best looking on the Switch. The original, which already runs at 60 fps, has aged very well in my opinion. If they're building on top of the original then there's a lot of headroom to tune up models, textures, effects while keeping it silky smooth. My guess is they'll be using Prime 4's engine to save on development time.

The timing is great too. Metroid Dread was the first in the series I picked up, beat, and 100%'d, and now I'm officially a fan.
 
I have a wild notion that we're going to see a female Chozo character in the next mainline Metroid game. We may have even already seen her:

Who is that shrouded figure, watching over the army of Mawkin X? Whoever they are, they appear to be keeping their distance. During the escape sequence at the end, the ships in Hanubia are missing, so I can only assume this mysterious figure was able to escape ZDR, prior to its destruction.

Remember how Raven Beak was teased in the completion images of Samus Returns? What if this represents a similar tease, for a future character?

This trailer is interesting, because its narration is that of an older sounding female voice, belonging to someone who seems to know a lot about Samus, even referring to her as "the best of all of us (Chozo?), and yet, her story is beyond us". I may be looking too deeply into things, but I hope it's something.




As for the seeming lack of species diversity in the Federation, I can only assume Retro simply didn't wanna go through the trouble of making all sorts of unique alien models for what would only amount to a couple scenes, since the GF stuff makes up such a small part of Prime 3.

its crazy how bright the future looks for the franchise.
Look at us speculating about a new mainline title already. While we waited 19 years for the last one. Crazy times.
 
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I'll preface this by saying that I frequently play PC games at 4K 60/120 on my LG CX so I'm well accustomed to bleeding-edge razor sharp looking games, yadda yadda and all that jazz.

But I think Prime HD has the potential to be a very damn pretty looking title, one of the best looking on the Switch. The original, which already runs at 60 fps, has aged very well in my opinion. If they're building on top of the original then there's a lot of headroom to tune up models, textures, effects while keeping it silky smooth. My guess is they'll be using Prime 4's engine to save on development time.

The timing is great too. Metroid Dread was the first in the series I picked up, beat, and 100%'d, and now I'm officially a fan.
only if they find a time machine,its the other way around
 
one should think people would be happy when Nintendo gives a beloved core gaming franchise the slot for a big holiday title.

A Prime Remake is in the same class as a Ocarina of Time remake. It is a legendary game for obvious reasons.
The game doesn't need to rival PS5 games for it to be worthy to be in that slot.
It is also quite a small game compared to modern games and standards so me saying it could look impressive (for Switch standards duh) isn't some wild fantasy.
Don't get me wrong the game is legendary but visually the HD version isn't going to blow anyone away like the original or DeS remake did visually
 
Don't get me wrong the game is legendary but visually the HD version isn't going to blow anyone away like the original or DeS remake did visually
How much a game blows someone away kinda depends on the context. I know I was definitely blown away from being able to play console level games like BotW on a handheld with the Switch and, if the remake ends up being impressive, I'll be blown away here too. This is kinda like saying that the games on the Vita weren't impressive because they're on a weaker system than the PS3
 
Don't get me wrong the game is legendary but visually the HD version isn't going to blow anyone away like the original or DeS remake did visually
it probably will, the hardware difference betwen original game and remake is in the same level or even greater than demon souls, ps5 is more powerfull than switch but ps3 was more powerfull than gamecube
 
Metroid Prime has to be one of the most revered and acclaimed games of all time. Especially from Gen 6. A remake from Retro has the potential to be really amazing visually. Nobody bat an eye when Demons Souls was a launch title for PS5 but somehow Prime can't be a holiday title in the same time frame? nah. It also won't be the only game Nintendo has for the holiday season so....

It will probably be a nice teaser for Prime 4 and people will be obviously hyped because of the legacy and the recent release of Dread.
I never said it will be the only holiday title. I believe grubb said on twitter that nintendo is positioning it as their “big” holiday title. Id personally prefer if nintendos “big” holiday title was a brand new game rather than a remake. I think having access to these revered titles is important, and i am glad nintendo will be putting this game out again, im just not a fan of the industry as a whole’s (not just nintendo) reliance on reselling you old games as a major calendar release. The demons souls remake was neat, but i honestly felt the same way about that.
 
I wonder how "dark" the new remaster look. Like a la Alien Isolation with atmospheric tone and environments or more like Dread where, while isolated, you had lifeforms, flora and fauna that made you feel in lived in world. Granted the different areas play a role in that.
 
My wife literally gave me a letter for father's day stating my gift is "whatever Metroid game comes out next". She has no idea about anything gaming but my love for Metroid as I told her my life story about why it means a lot to me. Crazy she took it to heart cause to her, video games are just a silly hobby for the most part. So MP1 remastered needs to come out ASAP so she can get it for me...I'm sure I will love kid #2 but boy, wish he wasn't coming until Spring 2023 haha. This fall has huge games I need to play. No clue how with two kids I'll finish Xenoblade 3.
 
I wonder how "dark" the new remaster look. Like a la Alien Isolation with atmospheric tone and environments or more like Dread where, while isolated, you had lifeforms, flora and fauna that made you feel in lived in world. Granted the different areas play a role in that.
I don't think MP1 was a really dark game. For the remake, I can see them going for a more natural lighting look with lots of baked light maps
 
I don't think MP1 was a really dark game. For the remake, I can see them going for a more natural lighting look with lots of baked light maps
Only in particular places. Some of the Tallon caves, the Pirate labs in Phendrana, and the Phazon Mines all stand out to me as places that were intentionally dark, sometimes just to highlight the functionality of the Thermal Visor.

I'd love to see these areas lit up purely by the ambient glow of sapsacs, stasis tanks, or Phazon veins (respective to each area) Just thinking about it is getting me even more excited.

Fission Metroids are going to be even more goddamn nerve-wracking...
 
Prime: The overall best. Beautiful atmosphere and generally good pacing. Couple of weak bosses, couple of weak areas (Magmoor and Phazon mines). Weak mid->late game. Artifact hunt is a bore, but still better than the one in Prime 2.

Prime 2: Beautiful atmosphere marred slightly by sameyness (everything feels pretty grey in the light world and pretty purple in the dark world). But when it looks good, it's the best. All of the attempts to 'mix up the formula' came off as ... formulaic tbh. Just copy-pasting from other games. Dark world just doesn't work for me as a mechanic - more of a nuisance than a threat (you can fully recharge your energy tanks by standing near a crystal) and felt like padding. Light-dark ammo mechanic felt undercooked. Dark Samus is a lame 'villain'. Best bosses in the series - but also the worst in terms of outright unfun brokenness/difficulty spikes with a couple of the Ing guardians. The scan visor is too obtrusive.

Prime 3: Doors. Take. Too. Long. To. Open. The characters were mostly weak, though there were a couple of good exchanges. Gandrayda especially was lame - unearned cattiness. Mission structure and overall talkiness of the story was a big weakness - I don't like being led around by the nose in a Metroid game. The different planets all looked good, but not having an interconnected world cost it in Metroidiness points. Hypermode never felt very interesting - they never seemed able to fully explore the gameplay gimmicks they introduced in the series. Suffered badly from trying to impose the Wii controls on the user, but the pointer controls were decent when you get used to them. The overall weakest by a long shot, but I'm probably due for a replay. I think most of the issues can be put down to it being a victim of circumstance - the hardware it was on and the need to introduce it to players/validate it, and the uncertainty of its place in the market: an underperforming predecessor in Prime 2 and perceived competition from Halo leading them to introduce inappropriate story angles and fiddle with the structure for the worse.

Hopes for 4: Doom 2016/Eternal-like mobility. Embrace Metroidiness and environmental storytelling - modern gamers have been brought to heel by Dark Souls now so Metroid is in a better space - linear cinematic storytelling feels a bit old-fashioned at this point. Make everything feel alien, baroque and weird please. Find more uses for the Screw Attack and Grapple Beam. Also: A third person mode, honestly - please :(
 
Something I like in the prime series is the lore. The ability to scan stuff instantly makes the world feel more alive and unique. That’s not to say the visual storytelling doesn’t work, but I personally thought Prime 1 and 2 were bigger games thanks to having a world building that set them apart from everything else. I am keen on returning to this kind of game model for prime 4.

Also, I personally like 2 more than 1, but mostly because I played 2 first and it’s improvements towards its antecessor made me feel like it was Prime 1 but better. That said, no denying both games are masterpieces.
 
Prime: The overall best. Beautiful atmosphere and generally good pacing. Couple of weak bosses, couple of weak areas (Magmoor and Phazon mines). Weak mid->late game. Artifact hunt is a bore, but still better than the one in Prime 2.

Prime 2: Beautiful atmosphere marred slightly by sameyness (everything feels pretty grey in the light world and pretty purple in the dark world). But when it looks good, it's the best. All of the attempts to 'mix up the formula' came off as ... formulaic tbh. Just copy-pasting from other games. Dark world just doesn't work for me as a mechanic - more of a nuisance than a threat (you can fully recharge your energy tanks by standing near a crystal) and felt like padding. Light-dark ammo mechanic felt undercooked. Dark Samus is a lame 'villain'. Best bosses in the series - but also the worst in terms of outright unfun brokenness/difficulty spikes with a couple of the Ing guardians. The scan visor is too obtrusive.

Prime 3: Doors. Take. Too. Long. To. Open. The characters were mostly weak, though there were a couple of good exchanges. Gandrayda especially was lame - unearned cattiness. Mission structure and overall talkiness of the story was a big weakness - I don't like being led around by the nose in a Metroid game. The different planets all looked good, but not having an interconnected world cost it in Metroidiness points. Hypermode never felt very interesting - they never seemed able to fully explore the gameplay gimmicks they introduced in the series. Suffered badly from trying to impose the Wii controls on the user, but the pointer controls were decent when you get used to them. The overall weakest by a long shot, but I'm probably due for a replay. I think most of the issues can be put down to it being a victim of circumstance - the hardware it was on and the need to introduce it to players/validate it, and the uncertainty of its place in the market: an underperforming predecessor in Prime 2 and perceived competition from Halo leading them to introduce inappropriate story angles and fiddle with the structure for the worse.

Hopes for 4: Doom 2016/Eternal-like mobility. Embrace Metroidiness and environmental storytelling - modern gamers have been brought to heel by Dark Souls now so Metroid is in a better space - linear cinematic storytelling feels a bit old-fashioned at this point. Make everything feel alien, baroque and weird please. Find more uses for the Screw Attack and Grapple Beam. Also: A third person mode, honestly - please :(
Nice take and review. I mean the way history is told all 3 of these games are masterpieces and retro is the best developer ever. I personally will take a wait and see approach with 4. The gaming and fps/adventure landscape has improved significantly since the release of the last 3D Metroid. Let’s see what retro can do in modern times.
 
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I have a wild notion that we're going to see a female Chozo character in the next mainline Metroid game. We may have even already seen her:

Who is that shrouded figure, watching over the army of Mawkin X? Whoever they are, they appear to be keeping their distance. During the escape sequence at the end, the ships in Hanubia are missing, so I can only assume this mysterious figure was able to escape ZDR, prior to its destruction.

Remember how Raven Beak was teased in the completion images of Samus Returns? What if this represents a similar tease, for a future character?

Yeah, this goes along with my own theories I've had about that "shrouded figure". Granted, mine focused on the idea of RB having a second-in-command (or even a son/daughter?) that saw the situation was going south, and the old man was cuckoo for cocoa puffs, and so, bode their time until they were able to make a clean getaway. Whether that's to serve as yet another antagonist in the future, or give Samus a much-needed new ongoing rival would remain to be seen, but I'd be a fan either way.
As for the seeming lack of species diversity in the Federation, I can only assume Retro simply didn't wanna go through the trouble of making all sorts of unique alien models for what would only amount to a couple scenes, since the GF stuff makes up such a small part of Prime 3.
And I can understand that. I guess my thing was that I've been disappointed that someone like Chairman Keaton has yet to show up in either Prime or mainline, which is especially weird in the case of the latter because it's like...Sakamoto, this is one of your characters. One who supposedly is very important to Samus's own backstory...and yet, has to make the jump to the games, themselves.
 
I would make a joke about Star Fox Grand Prix but I don't think I post here enough to people know I'd just be joking lol

When this first got teased waaaay back and was said to release as a trilogy, I was excited. I've always wanted to get into the Prime series but stressed over taking a gamble at a new series. With 3 games in 1 I wouldn't have had as much buyers remorse if I didn't enjoy them. With them seemingly now all getting separate releases, I'm more hesitant to buy them, and either just wait for Prime 4, or a sale, or idk. Either way, I'm looking forward to them.

Yes I could buy them on the Wii U but bro I ain't doing that.
 
Jeff Grubb brought this up again on the Bombcast today, he said the same thing that it’s due this year but he also said that 2 and 3 are also ready to go which I think is slightly different to how he worded it on the Game Mess stream. Could we potentially then, get a trilogy release that’s similar to the Halo one where it contains all the games but one is really having a lot of work while the others are just remastered?

Also he mentioned the TP/WW HD twin pack again and that it could possibly come this year as well.
 
Jeff Grubb brought this up again on the Bombcast today, he said the same thing that it’s due this year but he also said that 2 and 3 are also ready to go which I think is slightly different to how he worded it on the Game Mess stream. Could we potentially then, get a trilogy release that’s similar to the Halo one where it contains all the games but one is really having a lot of work while the others are just remastered?

Also he mentioned the TP/WW HD twin pack again and that it could possibly come this year as well.

A collection with the below would be cool:

Metroid Prime Remastered
Metroid Prime 2 HD
Metroid Prime 3 HD

2 & 3 would just be 1080p versions of the originals with new controls.

A collection feels too good to be true though and Nintendo will probably sell the remaster for 50 and the other two for like 30-40.
 
A collection with the below would be cool:

Metroid Prime Remastered
Metroid Prime 2 HD
Metroid Prime 3 HD

2 & 3 would just be 1080p versions of the originals with new controls.

A collection feels too good to be true though and Nintendo will probably sell the remaster for 50 and the other two for like 30-40.
I was on board until the last sentence
 
Which is more likely in your view?
I think the latter will happen. It’s hard for me to put faith in Nintendo putting all 3 together. I’d love to be wrong. I also believe Metroid Prime Remaster will be $60. If Nintendo has put in years of work on this and it’s in the holiday makes me believe it’ll be $60.
 
Yeah, the best I could see is maybe 2&3 get bundled together if minimal work has been done on them. They could then have a retail box containing that and the first MP remaster and that would be your ‘trilogy’ release.

Be interesting to see when MP4 hits though, I think Grubb speculated 2024/5 before so we could get MP this year, 2 & 3 next year with 4 headlining 2024
 
Would be fun replaying the Prime games before I finished Prime & Echoes. Never finished Corruption because... funny enough my save file got corrupted in front of the final boss and then I was like fuck it :D.

i've yet to see someone owning that darn trilogy
Got it as well. I even forgot I had it for the Nintendo Wii until I cleaned up my old room at my parents place, lol
 


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