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Film Transformers: A Complete Cinematic Appraisal |ST| Beyond Good, Beyond Evil, Beyond Your Wildest Imagination

I truly want to know what Bay was cooking with the insanity that is the ever changing aspect ratio

For real, this got so annoying so quickly. It's really distracting in the action scenes, where some cuts are just in a different aspect ratio than the others. I'm sure he's doing it on purpose, but it's not good!
 
I heard Farewell Transmission for the first time last week. Fucking beautiful.

Love the conceit of covering Transformers vs GI Joe the Movie the Comic.

Haven't seen Last Knight. I stopped at 3. No regrets.

Interested in your takes on Bumblebee.
 
I heard Farewell Transmission for the first time last week. Fucking beautiful.

Love the conceit of covering Transformers vs GI Joe the Movie the Comic.

Haven't seen Last Knight. I stopped at 3. No regrets.

Interested in your takes on Bumblebee.

I don't blame you for stopping at 3. In some ways, the next two are better, but I can't recommend them in good conscience.

Next week, Phos and I will wrap up this thread for now with Bumblebee! Of course we'll bring this thread back whenever we manage to watch Rise of the Beasts, and the upcoming animated film releasing next year. I guess this means we're both obligated to watch any new Transformers movie that comes out... maybe I should have thought this through more.
 
(Phos' Review) Bumblebee (2018)
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The Arcee Factor:
Arcee is here, she's cool, and the main villian is a gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss girlbot. The main human is a girl too. Let's hear it for the girls folks!
10/10

Wow Cool Robot:
Hmmmm, a damn bit better than bays baleful bm bot buttholes. Wish their faces weren't that way but Soundwave, Shockwave, and Ravagewave wave hello to being good designs and Bumblebee is a beetle and you better believe it butterball. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
7/10

The Mystery of Convoy:
I like and care about these characters. Thats the Nazo to making a good script the "easy" way. Real Critter vibes from this one folks. No fucking way this ties into the last 5 movies.
8/10

Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red:
Everyone is the right colors. The toys they made for this, especially the Studio Series Soundwave, actually look cool. Sorry folks, I'm a sniveling Soundwave simp simply insufficient in shame.
9/10

Are Their Songs Better?:
Bumblebee said fuck Morrissey. Folks, if that doesn't take courage, I know what does and its not including a fucking "remember the 80s" needle drop every 3 minutes. I don't remember the 80s. Time to die oldman. I like some of these songs at least. Wish Morrissey wasn't a fascist. That's awfully Decepticon* of him.
*Deceptive Con Artist -Smilin' Stan
5/10

Ride or be Ridden:
A cool ride, folks! Only and hour 50. Cool and easy!
10/10

Overall: 49

Verdict: The Iron Giant but it doesn't suck

Suggestion: don't watch every Transformers movie
 
(Clov's Review) Bumblebee (2018)
Well, it's finally time! To finish this thread for now. The last Transformers movie as of this writing, is...

Bumblebee (2018)

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The Arcee Factor:
10/10. As you can see above, Arcee is in this! And she looks very cool! Sadly she's only there briefly in the beginning, but thankfully the film more than makes up for it with its main antagonist, Shatter. Shatter is a girlboss on a mission to kill the Autobots and bring the Decepticons to Earth, and who am I to question her? She's an original character made for this film... sort of! You see, in early planning from the film, Shatter was named Fracture, and Fracture was a character from the comics based on the Bay films... who was in fact, Crasher, the GoBot, with her name changed for trademark reasons! Those tgirl vibes Shatter was giving off? Not a coincidence! We've come full circle!

Wow Cool Robot: 7/10. Most of the robots look very, very good! Unlike the Bay films, where the robots look like hideous metal husks, the robots in Bumblebee strike a good balance between cool toys and real war machines. Many characters get designs that resemble their old toy-like selves, but updated in a way that still makes them look good. Soundwave and Ravage are standouts here, but I also gotta give a shout-out to Shockwave's brief appearance!

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The Mystery of Convoy: 8/10. Bumblebee is a simple story about a girl and her cool robot friend. It's like if the Iron Giant had way more cool toys. The Autobots are losing the war on Cybertron, Bumblebee hides out on Earth, becomes friends with a girl, and then two Decepticons, Shatter and Dropkick, team up with John Cena's US military to hunt him down. The story is straightforward, but very enjoyable. The pacing is excellent; at an hour 50, it's the shortest of the live action films. An absolute breath of fresh air compared to the over-stuffed Bay films, and for once it doesn't worship the US military! What's even better, is that this movie doesn't seem to even be in the same continuity as the Bay films, since The Last Knight establishes that Bumblebee was on Earth during WWII, while this places his first arrival in the 1980s. The movie actually makes you care about the stakes for once! All in all, good fun!

Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red: 9/10. As mentioned before, while the characters look updated, they still look great! Optimus, in his few appearances, acts like a hero instead of a murderous psychopath. It manages to do its own take on the franchise while still clearly caring and respecting the original incarnation. The action scenes here are very legible and exciting, whereas in the 5 Bay films they're blurry and difficult to parse. I only wish that Shatter's face was a little less like the robots in the Bay films, but that's just nit-picking.

Are Their Songs Better?: 6/10. Do YOU like NEEDLEDROPS? Do YOU want to REMEMBER the 80s??? Well I got the movie for you! The songs here are mostly fun, but the needledrops do get a bit tiresome after the 7th one or so.

Ride or be Ridden: 10/10. Hitched a ride on Ravage to fight in the war on Cybertron.

Overall Score: 50

Verdict: The best live action Transformers film by far! Great designs, fun setpieces, Yeag Girls, what more could anyone want?

Suggestion: Hope that Rise of the Beasties (as it's called in Canada) doesn't jinx it!

Well, that's it everyone! We've watched every Transformers film. Now it's time for us to look back and rank them-

Wait. What's this? There's something else we have to watch? What could it be!?

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Who's this nice young woman? Jem? And her Holograms? That's right! We still have to watch Jem and the Holograms, Season 2 Episode 23! Truly outrageous!
 
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The Arcee Factor:
Arcee is here, she's cool, and the main villian is a gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss girlbot. The main human is a girl too. Let's hear it for the girls folks!
10/10

Wow Cool Robot:
Hmmmm, a damn bit better than bays baleful bm bot buttholes. Wish their faces weren't that way but Soundwave, Shockwave, and Ravagewave wave hello to being good designs and Bumblebee is a beetle and you better believe it butterball. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
7/10

The Mystery of Convoy:
I like and care about these characters. Thats the Nazo to making a good script the "easy" way. Real Critter vibes from this one folks. No fucking way this ties into the last 5 movies.
8/10

Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red:
Everyone is the right colors. The toys they made for this, especially the Studio Series Soundwave, actually look cool. Sorry folks, I'm a sniveling Soundwave simp simply insufficient in shame.
9/10

Are Their Songs Better?:
Bumblebee said fuck Morrissey. Folks, if that doesn't take courage, I know what does and its not including a fucking "remember the 80s" needle drop every 3 minutes. I don't remember the 80s. Time to die oldman. I like some of these songs at least. Wish Morrissey wasn't a fascist. That's awfully Decepticon* of him.
*Deceptive Con Artist -Smilin' Stan
5/10

Ride or be Ridden:
A cool ride, folks! Only and hour 50. Cool and easy!
10/10

Overall: 49

Verdict: The Iron Giant but it doesn't suck

Suggestion: don't watch every Transformers movie
Hey what’s up with The Iron Giant? As ‘kid finds giant alien war robot in America’ stories go I quite liked that cartoon!

Sounds like I need to watch Bumblebee, this thread has got me in the mood for some TF
 
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The Arcee Factor:
Arcee is here, she's cool, and the main villian is a gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss girlbot. The main human is a girl too. Let's hear it for the girls folks!
10/10

Wow Cool Robot:
Hmmmm, a damn bit better than bays baleful bm bot buttholes. Wish their faces weren't that way but Soundwave, Shockwave, and Ravagewave wave hello to being good designs and Bumblebee is a beetle and you better believe it butterball. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
7/10

The Mystery of Convoy:
I like and care about these characters. Thats the Nazo to making a good script the "easy" way. Real Critter vibes from this one folks. No fucking way this ties into the last 5 movies.
8/10

Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red:
Everyone is the right colors. The toys they made for this, especially the Studio Series Soundwave, actually look cool. Sorry folks, I'm a sniveling Soundwave simp simply insufficient in shame.
9/10

Are Their Songs Better?:
Bumblebee said fuck Morrissey. Folks, if that doesn't take courage, I know what does and its not including a fucking "remember the 80s" needle drop every 3 minutes. I don't remember the 80s. Time to die oldman. I like some of these songs at least. Wish Morrissey wasn't a fascist. That's awfully Decepticon* of him.
*Deceptive Con Artist -Smilin' Stan
5/10

Ride or be Ridden:
A cool ride, folks! Only and hour 50. Cool and easy!
10/10

Overall: 49

Verdict: The Iron Giant but it doesn't suck

Suggestion: don't watch every Transformers movie
Iron Giant slander

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I liked Bumblebee quite a bit but I absolutely do not remember Arcee being in it. But I only saw it once when it came out.

I also only ever saw the first two Bayformers and that seems wise.
 
Yeag, it a good movie, but 'tis no bumblebee noble sir knight
Ah no worries!

There’s something quite fun about the very early TF comics too, when it’s just Buster and his dad trying to keep the TF a secret. The whole ‘robots in disguise’ element I guess, that just becomes abandoned when too many human characters and the bloody US military start hanging out with them.

I didn’t see Jem as a kid, I only saw the title sequence years later, along with Silverhawks. My inner 80s kid found it so wild how easy it was to not know stuff you’d have liked existed before the internet.
 
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(Phos' Review) Jem and the Holograms S2E23 (1988)
The Jem and Her Holograms: The Journey Through Time

I can't believe Johnny Beldrix is in this

The Arcee Factor:
A hologram is a robot. A computer is a robot. They're all do the being girls. You do the math!!!
10/10


Wow Cool Robot:
Is a truck a robot? No. Is a Jem a Robot? Am I? The Robot Ate Me was a good band that no one has ever heard of.
3/10


The Mystery of Convoy:
Is that Truck Oprimis Prune???? A mystery..................of Convoy!?!?!?!

You Got the Touch!
10/10

Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red:
Optimus is orange! Ehat the fuck!?
0/10

Are Their Songs Better?:
These songs totally suck shit.
10/10

Ride or be Ridden:
I'm riding orangr optimus to the bank...the blood bank!!!
10/10

Overall: 43

Verdict: Ben Tiller, Johnny Bendrix, Elvis! Lets burn rubber baby!!!!!!

Suggestion: make more characters orange!!!
 
(Clov's Review) Jem and the Holograms S2E23 (1988)
Jem and the Holograms (Season 2 Episode 23) Journey Through Time (1988)
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So it's come to this! Jem and her Holograms.

Hey! This isn't Transformers at all!
Shut up! Optimus Prime is in this!

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Look, it's Optimus! So what if he's orange!!

You can't do this!!!
Shut up!!!

The Arcee Factor:
10/10. So, Jem and her gal pals use robot powers to make costumes! That's cool! But also there's a computer girl named Synergy who's like, their manager and makes holograms or something. Very cool!

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Wow Cool Robot: 5/10. So, uh... Optimus is here. Synergy is... a computer. Uh, this kind of counts. Hm.

The Mystery of Convoy:
8/10. Jem gets sent back through time by the Misfits (whose songs are better!). Jem in Vienna! Jem in WWII! Jem at Woodstock! Jem domination!!!! It ends with the Misfits almost killing a man by sending him to the dinosaurs

Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red: 0/10. Optimus is orange for some reason

Are Their Songs Better?:
10/10. The Misfits songs are better even though they don't play, also Jimmy Hendrix (named Johnny Beldrix????) shows up???? Wow

Ride or be Ridden: 10/10. Surfin through time on Orange Optimus baby!!!!!

Overall Score: 43

Verdict: Fashion and fame! Jem is Truly Outrageous!

Suggestion: Read the IDW Jem and the Holograms comics, they're gay and trans!

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And that's a wrap! I hope you've all enjoyed our look through time, through space, beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your wildest imagination! An objective look through ALL Transformers cinema! We're going to go watch Killer Klowns from Outer Space now, so we're going to have to look back at our prior rankings later. And then, we'll play the waiting game... for Rise of the Beasties is almost at hand...!
 
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Yep!



Truly outrageous! Phos and I are Jem girls now

Holograms were a big idea at the time. You had Jem in 1985, the TF comics/cartoon riffed on it with various stuff (notably Mirage but also the transparent depiction of energon cubes) Then there was Visionaries and Star Trek TNG in 1987, with the Visionaries and TF toys playing with various stickers with cool effects.

It was like living in a future that wasn’t a grey run-down town for me :)

Edit- Battle Beasts (which used similar heat-reactive stickers to TF) and Supernaturals (similar to Visionaries) too. https://lrmonline.com/news/the-80s-...urals-and-visionaries-i-lrms-retro-specs/amp/
 
Just got out of Rise of the Beasts.

It's good! Feels like a happy medium between the globetrotting action spectacle of Bayformers and the good movie with likable characters, good robot designs and readable action scenes of Bumblebee. 3.5/5
 
Im not a big TF guy but I’m kind of in the mood for a mindless action movie and I have a regal account so maybe I should indulge in the new one
 
Just got out of Rise of the Beasts.

It's good! Feels like a happy medium between the globetrotting action spectacle of Bayformers and the good movie with likable characters, good robot designs and readable action scenes of Bumblebee. 3.5/5

I'm glad to hear it! It looks like a lot of fun and I'm really excited to watch it! It's shaping up to score very high on The Arcee Factor at least, and that's the most important metric for any Transformers film. But it also helps having all those funny Beast Wars characters back!

Im not a big TF guy but I’m kind of in the mood for a mindless action movie and I have a regal account so maybe I should indulge in the new one

I hope you enjoy it if you see it! Hopefully Phos and I will be able to give it a watch sooner rather than later.

On a different note, some big Transformers comics news leaked out today!

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The new licence holder of Transformers comics is confirmed to be Skybound, and Robert Kirkman's upcoming "Void Rivals" comic (releasing Wednesday) is confirmed to be a stealth Transformers relaunch! A new dedicated Transformers series starts in October. Hope it's good!
 
I'm glad to hear it! It looks like a lot of fun and I'm really excited to watch it! It's shaping up to score very high on The Arcee Factor at least, and that's the most important metric for any Transformers film. But it also helps having all those funny Beast Wars characters back!



I hope you enjoy it if you see it! Hopefully Phos and I will be able to give it a watch sooner rather than later.

On a different note, some big Transformers comics news leaked out today!

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The new licence holder of Transformers comics is confirmed to be Skybound, and Robert Kirkman's upcoming "Void Rivals" comic (releasing Wednesday) is confirmed to be a
stealth Transformers relaunch! A new dedicated Transformers series starts in October. Hope it's good!
Invincible is one of my favorite comics and shows ever, so I hope Kirkman does well with Transformers. Also that I can get by with skipping the GI Joe stuff lol
 
also I'm 90% Mirage either kills or severely injures multiple cops during the first chase scene with him, which is pretty funny lol
 
Invincible is one of my favorite comics and shows ever, so I hope Kirkman does well with Transformers. Also that I can get by with skipping the GI Joe stuff lol

I'll probably be skipping the GI Joe stuff too. But nonetheless I have to plug for the Transformers vs GI Joe series that Tom Scioli did for IDW. Incredible art and extremely entertaining, crazy things just constantly happening!

also I'm 90% Mirage either kills or severely injures multiple cops during the first chase scene with him, which is pretty funny lol

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I'll probably be skipping the GI Joe stuff too. But nonetheless I have to plug for the Transformers vs GI Joe series that Tom Scioli did for IDW. Incredible art and extremely entertaining, crazy things just constantly happening!



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yeah, I've read it, it's pretty good. Liked the Gobots series he did too lol
 
yeah, I've read it, it's pretty good. Liked the Gobots series he did too lol

His Go-Bots series is fantastic, the last panel in that comic is one of the funniest ways he could have possibly ended it
 
Can we use this as the Official Transformers Thread? Because I also got out of Rise of the Beasts and I absolutely need to fangirl over it somewhere.
 
Of course! Make sure to spoiler tag anything big though! I'm so excited to review this one...

The tl;dr is that I really liked it!

After really enjoying Bumblebee, I was afraid this one was going to be a hard turn to Bayformerism of sorts, but it absolutely wasn't, thankfully.

I appreciated the pacing being brisk but still making sense, movie feels like it goes by super quick but they still manage to tell the entire story without many issues, which was something the pre-Bumblebee movies often struggled with, IMO.

And, in general, it felt like it had more... Soul? Than the Bayformers movies. It's hard to explain, but those mostly always felt like military porn with some loose transformers concepts thrown in, and like they were taking themselves more seriously than "giant robots that transform into cars" warrants; in a sort of self-important way. This ain't it, and it's not afraid of embracing the source material while still keeping the stakes going. It's neat.

YOOOO Hasbro Cinematic Universe????
 
I’m reading that’s an improvement over the Bayhem flicks, which makes me happy. Going to watch this one for sure.

And a Robert Kirkman written Transformers? Hell yeah I’m in.

And now I’m going to stop buying Transformer toys… but these I had to get.

As we are reaching Beast Wars hype, this guy was one of my favourite original BW toys in the 90’s. Plus he’s a dick.


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Tarantalus, terrorize!


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Look at that robot mode!

And last but not least… High Moon Studios might be a CoD studio these days, their greatest creation gets to live again.

Arise, Optimus Prime!
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War for Cybertron Optimus is soooo good

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And last but not least… High Moon Studios might be a CoD studio these days, their greatest creation gets to live again.

Arise, Optimus Prime!
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War for Cybertron Optimus is soooo good

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I'm secretly hoping we get a remaster of the two Cybertron games because those have always been peak Transformers for me.

Just like, give them a couple better textures, remove the piss filter and add Arcee and ship that, I'll buy 10 copies.
 
I’m reading that’s an improvement over the Bayhem flicks, which makes me happy. Going to watch this one for sure.

And a Robert Kirkman written Transformers? Hell yeah I’m in.

And now I’m going to stop buying Transformer toys… but these I had to get.

As we are reaching Beast Wars hype, this guy was one of my favourite original BW toys in the 90’s. Plus he’s a dick.


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Tarantalus, terrorize!


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Look at that robot mode!

And last but not least… High Moon Studios might be a CoD studio these days, their greatest creation gets to live again.

Arise, Optimus Prime!
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War for Cybertron Optimus is soooo good

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Those are some great pick-ups! Here's a few recent pick-ups Phos and I got:

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You may think that Arcee joined our girlboss squad here, but actually, that's Lifeline! A very distinct character, I assure you.

We got something much bigger too...

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The six Torchbearers combine to form Victorion! She's a comics original character, being the first fan-made Combiner (and the first one to be a woman!). She's our first combiner toy, and she took a long time to put together. She's also huge! A picture for scale:

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Those are some great pick-ups! Here's a few recent pick-ups Phos and I got:

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You may think that Arcee joined our girlboss squad here, but actually, that's Lifeline! A very distinct character, I assure you.

We got something much bigger too...

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The six Torchbearers combine to form Victorion! She's a comics original character, being the first fan-made Combiner (and the first one to be a woman!). She's our first combiner toy, and she took a long time to put together. She's also huge! A picture for scale:

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This post made me accidentally add the Rise of the Beasts Arcee to my shipping cart. (The nice looking one, not the blocky red one)

She's gonna joint my other Arcee, my Lego Optimus and my pile of childhood G1-G3 bots soon.
 
The guy who wrote Jurassic League is doing the new Transformers ongoing

lets fucking goooooooooo

I like how he draws Optimus!

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Fuck. I need to start collecting robots

The Transformers Legacy line is a great place to start. It's got a pretty big selection, so you're bound to find some that you like!

This post made me accidentally add the Rise of the Beasts Arcee to my shipping cart. (The nice looking one, not the blocky red one)

She's gonna joint my other Arcee, my Lego Optimus and my pile of childhood G1-G3 bots soon.

That's so exciting! I like her design in the movie, so I'm tempted to get a toy of her RotB version too...
 
Just caught up with this thread and I am in love with your rating system. I want all movies to be assessed by this rating system even if they're not Transformers movies. And I love the inclusion of more unexpected and atypical movie entries.

But then I see the immoral decadency that is the declaration of RIBFIR when every person of good moral standing knows that FIBRIR.
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Just caught up with this thread and I am in love with your rating system. I want all movies to be assessed by this rating system even if they're not Transformers movies. And I love the inclusion of more unexpected and atypical movie entries.

But then I see the immoral decadency that is the declaration of RIBFIR when every person of good moral standing knows that FIBRIR.
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Well, it is the traditional 60 point scale
 
Just caught up with this thread and I am in love with your rating system. I want all movies to be assessed by this rating system even if they're not Transformers movies. And I love the inclusion of more unexpected and atypical movie entries.

But then I see the immoral decadency that is the declaration of RIBFIR when every person of good moral standing knows that FIBRIR.
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I'm glad you're enjoying our reviews! We actually did something similar during our Mario movie marathon a while back. It looks like Rise of the Beasts will hit streaming on July 11th, so we'll be able to watch and review it around then!

And regarding RIBFIR... of course, you are free to believe that FIBRIR! Everyone has the freedom to be wrong, after all :p
 
I'm glad you're enjoying our reviews! We actually did something similar during our Mario movie marathon a while back. It looks like Rise of the Beasts will hit streaming on July 11th, so we'll be able to watch and review it around then!

And regarding RIBFIR... of course, you are free to believe that FIBRIR! Everyone has the freedom to be wrong, after all :p
it's hitting the "pay 30 dollars to rent this movie for 24 hours" kinda streaming then, not actual streaming
 
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This marathon must have been so much suffering. Really looking forward to that Rise of the Beasts review next month.

I think my favorite verdict was "I wish movies didn't exist."
One of the best observations was "Soundwave is just a car. You might say that this makes him more accurate to his G2 incarnation, and if you did say that, I would tell you to shut the fuck up."
Most relatable moment was "Im sneepy and drank to many officially licensed Jack and Coke premixed can."
Favorite compliment was calling Shatter "a gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss girlbot."

Also imagining how other non-TF robot movies would do on this exact same set of grading scales.
 
(Clov's Review) Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (2023)
Well, we're back at it again! It's time for us to take a look at the newest entry in the Transformers cinematic canon, one inspired by Beast Wars, my favorite childhood toy commercial! I'm very optimistic about this one, while Phos remains skeptical, a doubting Doubtatron. Who will vindicated? Who will be punished and reviled for all time in the ring of honour? Let's find out, with our viewing of...

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Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (2023)

The Arcee Factor:
10/10. A movie with Arcee, Airrazor, AND Nightbird? Hard to go wrong with that! And there's plenty of them throughout the whole movie. They're really fun anytime they're on screen. It kind of looked like Arcee mouths "holy fuck" in that one car chase scene, which is cool. But you know what's coolest of all? Nightbird is voiced by a trans woman! Yeag Girls just keep winning tonight!

Wow Cool Robot:
5/10. So, this is a really mixed bag! You have designs like Arcee, that look very similar to the original incarnation, and look great! There's some like Nightbird, that are totally different, but look really cool! And then there's ones like Stratosphere, which just reek of the Bay stink. Really divided in this category. But what really, really disappoints me here? We never get to see Airrazor transform! Come on! Her robot form in Beast Wars was so cool! You can't do this to me!

The Mystery of Convoy:
4/10. So, Unicron is here! And Scourge (of all characters) is the main villain who's out to summon him with some wrecking ball guy and Nightbird! There's some guy who has a sick little brother and who helps out the Autobots to get cash. It's very cool that a bunch of cops get killed chasing Mirage. Sadly the story is pretty generic here. They're just trying to get a key or something. Not that interesting. And where are the Predacons???? You bring in the Maximals, and have them fight... the Terrorcons, who are totally different from the Terrorcons in the original? Nothing that great here sadly. Better than any of the Bay movies at least, but it feels like it lacks the heart that Bumblebee had. Pretty funny final scene in this one.

Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red:
5/10. Another mixed bag. Some characters are very faithful to the original, like Optimus and Arcee. Others, like Scourge and Nightbird, are big departures to varying extents. Scourge is basically a new character, having little to do with the original character in the 1986 film. or the toy that's just a recolor of Optimus. Wheeljack is completely different as well, though he doesn't matter that much in the movie. Overall not BAD, but I wish they got rid of some of the overarticulation that plagues the designs of these films.

Are Their Songs Better?:
5/10. The needledrops are not as frequent as Bumblebee! What's here is alright. Plenty of 90s rap. A lot better than any of the needledrops in the Bay films, and less annoying than Bumblebee.

Ride or be Ridden:
0/10. I was really hoping I'd be riding this one, but I think in the end I'm being trampled by a Maximal stampede.

Overall Score: 29

Verdict: A land of contrasts! As much as I love and appreciate the triple threat of Arcee, Airrazor, and Nightbird, most of this movie is merely okay.

Suggestion: For more Premium Yeag Girl content, read the Transformers: Lost Light comic! It's got these two trans lesbian robots named Anode and Lug who are everything to me



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And now, we're really at the end of our Transformers cinematic journey! Hope you enjoyed the ride! I'll be looking back and ranking everything later. But we won't be out of the game for long. Next year, a new animated Transformers movie is getting released! It's called Transformers One, it takes place on Cybertron, Elita-1 is there or something. We're honour bound to review that as well once it releases, so look forward to it!

Oh, and seeing as Phos considers the movie "bad" and I consider it "okay", it looks like NOBODY is getting punished and reviled for all time. Better luck next time, sickos!
 
(Phos' Review) Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (2023)
The Arcee Factor: 10/10

Arcee and all her girlfriends are here and they're all yeag girls.


Wow Cool Robot: 5/10

Half the robots look like shit and the other half look like idiots. Arcee and Nightbird save this movie. Fr, they look pretty cool compared to that bayshit. There's this dumbass scottish stereotype pilot. No tha ks!


The Mystery of Convoy: 2/10

Unicron hell yeag! Transparent space crystal that generates portal? Sentimental human story about dying kid brother? Uh ohhhh! Plot doesn't really start till an hour in. The human cast is pretty bad.


Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red: 5/10

Most of the robots look ok (oll korrect) but wheeljack(off) is some kind of nerd, optimus is a sad old man, scourge is a big stinky bug man. I dunno, you decide.


Are Their Songs Better?: 4/10

Some good 90s rap needle drops, but mostly generic. When they go to peru they play the most stereotypical peru music imaginable. There's no reason for this movie to take place in the 90s btw.


Ride or be Ridden: 0/10

I feel like a gobot made for other gobots to ride at this point.

Final Score: 26/60

Verdict: This is the Vanquish movie.

Suggestion: Just read the Transformers comics and buy the toys. No other TF media lives up to those tbh
 
I watched the original Bay trilogy over the weekend and thought they were hilarious and actually laughed out loud quite a bit throughout

...then I realized I was watching the Rifftrax versions
 
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I'm sad I only just discovered this thread and didn't get to experience the reviews come out in real time
 
I feel like I should have added some more context to my review last night, but I was too drunk, so for anyone who doesn't know who Nightbird is...

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This is her in the original show! She's actually the first girl robot to ever be in Transformers, predating Elita-1 and her girlboss squad. The thing is... she can't transform! She's a robot built by "Dr Fujiyama, the famous scientist", who gets stolen and used by the Decepticons. Despite only showing up in one episode, Nightbird did end up getting a few toys made in the last decade, usually having her transform into a car similar to Arcee.

Now here's her new look for Rise of the Beasts:

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Very different, but honestly? I think she looks neat! She still has a bit of the over-designing going on, but it really helps that she has a mask instead of the overly-articulated metal jaws that a lot of the live action robots suffer from.

While I'm at it, let's take a look at Scourge!

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This is his design from the 1986 film. Like Cyclonus, he doesn't talk. He's not very important.

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Then there's this version of him from the Transformers Legacy toyline, which is literally just an evil looking Optimus. I'm not sure why he's called Scourge, I guess Hasbro really liked the name.

Then there's the Rise of the Beasts version.

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...these are basically all just different guys. I guess they've taken how the original Scourge was made by Unicron, and combined him with a color scheme inspired by the "evil Optimus" version? He's got a mask that's sort of like Tarn? I dunno. I'm not a big fan of him. He's not very interesting. Nightbird remains the best villain in the movie through the sheer power of her tgirl swag.

I'm sad I only just discovered this thread and didn't get to experience the reviews come out in real time

Well, we'll be bringing the thread back as long as they keep making new movies! It may not be as frequent, but it'll return!


I hope y’all keep doing these threads, they’re very important for this website

We'll have to find a new theme, and of course, new objective criteria to use! We'll put our heads together for something. We briefly discussed a thread about watching every Spiderman movie, but we've already seen most of them, so it just wouldn't be as fun to us. We need something with a real sense of discovery! Phos followed that up by suggesting that we watch and review "every Marvel film" but I vetoed that immediately. This thread already took a big enough toll on our sanity.
 
Phos and I have had plenty of time to reflect on the series so far. Seeing as we're still a year out from Transformers One, we might as well post an overall ranking of the Transformers Cinematic Canon, from Best to Worst to Truly Unconscionable! I've passed my laptop to @Phosphorescent Skeleton for her comments on each category.

Paradiso: The absolute peak of Transformers movies. Everything that rules about Transformers, perfectly distilled into the art of the cinematic format.

The Transformers: The Movie (1986): 60

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Clov's Comment: The only movie in this category is one that has absolutely everything. From an montage set to corny rock where a ton of fan favorite Autobots (and Prowl) get slaughtered, to Orson Welles sleepwalking through his final performance, to the introduction of Arcee, the greatest of all Transformers, it's a movie I only appreciate more after having seen some of the horrific lows this franchise would reach.

Phos' Philosophy: Are you kidding me!? The Transformers The Movie is better then your favorite movie and it's not even my favorite! But don't worry, stranger, I just have immaculate perfect taste, this is still a movie that kicks ass. It makes the next best movie on this list look like fucking some Christopher Nolan nonsense (gottem). Clov said it all in her write up. Cool toys, cool music, anime, Orson Welles treating the material with the proper respect (something below contempt, above damnation).

Mount Olympus (on the Border of Paradise): These films (?) are a wonderful time! Though they fall short of perfection, they're still worthwhile Transformers media to seek out and watch.

Transformers vs GI Joe: The Movie Adaptation (2017): 50
Bumblebee (2018): 50

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Clov's Comment: Though it's a shame that we've lost the true, original cinematic form of Transformers vs GI Joe, this movie adaptation is wonderfully entertaining, with beautiful art and jaw dropping twists. Bumblebee on the other hand, while flawed, stands head and shoulders above the rest of the live action Transformers films. A fun story, (mostly) great robot designs, and a girlboss the IDW comics incarnation of Elita-1 would be proud of, Bumblebee is well worth your time.

Phos' Philosophy: Tom Scioli TvsGIJTMA "gets" Transformers. He also knows how to draw purty pictures and arrange words to a pleasing effect. You do the math. The only thing keeping it from winning a Phoscar (like an Oscar, but for good movies) is the fact that it isn't a movie...but it's a better movie than some I could name (the filmography of Ron Howard). Bumblebee is some warmed over self reflective Spielberg stuff, but it's better than anything old Steve has done since, I don't know, Indiana Jones (gottem). Bumblebee is there. wow.

Purgatorio
: The merely adequate Transformers films. These are often good, but held back by glaring flaws. Watch these if you're a diehard fan who can look past the imperfections.

Jem and the Holograms S2E23 (1988): 43
Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters: Predacons Rising (2013): 34
Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (2023): 29
Clash! Beast Warrior (1998): 29

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Clov's Comment: There's a lot of stuff in here, but not that much to say! Jem is a truly magical experience, as Phos is well aware of, though that could go for any given episode of the show. I would have appreciated Transformers Prime more if I watched the show, which I'm not planning on doing. Rise of the Beasts, while having an excellent Arcee Factor score (one of the best out of everything we reviewed) was lacking elsewhere. Arcee had some GREAT moments, and so did Nightbird! But Airrazor, much like in the source material, really got screwed over.

Phos' Philosophy: This is the who cares part of the list. Neither good enough or bad enough to waste my gigantic cinema brain thinking about. This isn't a place of honor, but not some nuclear dumping ground. Jem is funni. My philosophy here is to be not afraid! Just don't watch. I'm trying to be clever and funny here, but I can't get any juices from these oranges.

Mid-gar (home of ye lowly mortals): The TRUE mediocrities. Neither good nor bad, but lukewarm, much like mediocre people are. Not that all people are mediocre! There's some great ones, like Phos and I.

GoBots: Battle of the Rock Lords (1986): 28
Beast Wars Metals Special (1998): 26
Beast Wars Metals: Convoy's Great Transformation (1999): 23
Beast Wars II: Lio Convoy's Close Call! (1998): 15

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Clov's Comment: The best of these by far is the GoBots film, because Crasher is one of the best Transformers (and the best GoBot by far) and Cy-Kill has a funny voice. The worst of these is Beast Wars II because it's terribly dull, but nowhere near as dire as the depths we would soon plunge into.

Phos' Philosophy: All of the movies in the last category probably belong here. Also, while the numbers are crunched, and da numbers don't lie, baby, the GoBots film is probably my third favorite thing on this list. I could watch it again. Reminds me of the taste of Zima. Better than you could say of any film directed by Michael Mann (gottem).

The Inferno: The terrible, the horrific, the insufferable. Avoid these films at all cost. There is nothing good here, not even for ironic attempts at viewing. You will regret this.

Transformers (2007): 0
Transformers: The Last Knight (2017): -15
Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011): -45
Transformers: Age of Extinction (2014): -50

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Clov's Comment: These have been some of the most painful movie-watching experiences of my life. While these are clearly the work of an auteur, that doesn't make them good. All of Bay's hatred of women and minorities is on display, as is his disgusting reverence of the American military. Boring at best, terribly uncomfortable at worst. I hated every last minute of these overly-long patriot parades.

Phos' Philosophy: The I Wish I and The Rest of The Earth Was Burnt To A Coldly Smoking Cinder portion of our list. You can argue that American cinema began in earnest with Birth of a Nation (you'd be wrong, but I hope you enjoyed that Film 101 class) and it could equally be argued that it ended with Bay's Transformers movies. Born in explicit racism, dead in racism, misogyny, homophobia, and 9/11 patriotism carried in the barely imaginable computer generated steel ribcages of diseased Reagan era avatars of consumerism. This is the beast that killed cinema, who's dying was the sacrifice to bring forth the New God's of Marvels hideous machine. The money men rejoice as art is strangled by psychotic patriot super people who can't even take themselves seriously. Fuck these movies.

The Ninth Circle: The irredeemable. The worst. This is a nuclear level category of bad. It will destroy your spirit and shatter your psyche.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009): -50 (but really it should be much, much lower)

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Clov's Comment:
"Down, down, down you go
No way to stop
As you fall, hear me call
No, no, no
Listen to this warning and
Consider these
Simple words of advice
Stop, stop, stop"
- 'Spiralling Shape' by They Might Be Giants

One of the worst movies I have seen in my entire life; it has everything bad about the movies in the previous categories, but taken to its most extreme. Cinema didn't deserve this movie. YOU don't deserve this movie. Your worst enemies probably do deserve this movie. Save yourself and don't watch it. You don't understand. This is not a joke, I'm begging you, stay far away from this film.

Phos' Philosophy: Enjoying this movie is the only proveable test of ethics and morality. Anyone who enjoys this movie should be banished from society and made to wander the barren wastes with the ghosts howling in the night, across plains and roads where Revenge of the Fallen fans enact bloody reenactments and battle wars over "guzzoline" in a white line nightmare.
The lake of hell is frozen
At the bottom of that vaunted
Pit of flames
Sits frozen Lucifer, cooled
By the flapping of gigantic wings
Crying Crystal Tears of Ice
The layer of the betrayers
At his side freezes Michael Bay
I, a mere spiritual tyro,
A modern Parody of Dante
Ask
"What Is Your Betrayal?"
He answers in slow
Cold wrecked breaths
"I have betrayed the cinema"



And that's all we have for now! It'll sure be interesting to see where Transformers One lands on this ranking next year. Until then, feel free to discuss all things Transformers in this thread. Meanwhile, we've decided on a theme for our next review thread, so keep your eyes peeled if you're interested. See you next time!
 
I loved this line: Orson Welles treating the material with the proper respect (something below contempt, above damnation).

Live action ranking seems about in line with consensus. Top three are Bumblebee, Rise of the Beasts, and 2007, all else in varying degrees of negative points.

I've never experienced a director so aggressively hate me as a viewer more than Michael Bay making transformers sequels. It's like someone spent 200 million dollars on translating the feeling of apathetic disdain into computer generated imagery. You can taste his drive deteriorating with every subsequent sequel.
 
I loved this line: Orson Welles treating the material with the proper respect (something below contempt, above damnation).

Live action ranking seems about in line with consensus. Top three are Bumblebee, Rise of the Beasts, and 2007, all else in varying degrees of negative points.

I've never experienced a director so aggressively hate me as a viewer more than Michael Bay making transformers sequels. It's like someone spent 200 million dollars on translating the feeling of apathetic disdain into computer generated imagery. You can taste his drive deteriorating with every subsequent sequel.
I always thought the 1986 movie had made me forever immune to franchises taking what I love and murdering it on screen after all my childhood favourites were killed off in the first five minutes. And then I watched a Michael Bay TF film and it made killing off old characters to sell new toys because money seem almost benign in comparison to the raw hate and militarised, tubthumping nationalism going on in his films.

I still love the 1986 cartoon. I grew to love the new characters too (except Hot Rod) and it’s so quotable, I still do so today (much to my wife’s chagrin after teaching my kid the Universal Greeting).

Still, Transformers One sounds like it has potential, I’m in for that next year!
 


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