Would love DLC but wouldn't call the game short.
Felt short to me. I play these games with my wife and we breezed through it.
Did you do everything? I'm really scratching my head here. After the credits roll you have...
Not to mention that the base campaign has more than enough content on its own. I’m 70% through three of the areas and 30% through the 4th, and I have ~12 hours of play time already. Pikmin 4 has a crazy amount of content.
We have 100% and platinum everything. It is what it is. Maybe I’m greedy. I just love the Pikmin gameplay so much. I can’t get enough of it.
Have you played the past games? I think the reason why people are surprised by your comment is that the first 3, especially 1 and 3, are WAY shorter than 4. I was honestly kind of shocked how long it was. But I would also still love more same as you lol.
someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall there was some kind of tease in Pikmin 3 hinting that all the crash landings might not be accidents but instead caused by something/someone on the planet.
It's from 3's true ending if you get all of the fruits. "However, one question remains: what was the cause of the accident that sent the S.S. Drake hurtling to PNF-404's surface? Perhaps, it wasn't an accident after all."
3 felt a lot longer to me because of DLC. I just blow through these games. I need like 100 hour campaign, minimum.
the biggest disappointment in 4 is that it seemed to cast aside all the odd lore from past games. Suddenly we're not millions of years removed from humanity, we're in a normal, present day house. No weird alien monstrosities other than the one that was just a direct reference to the same thing in 2, Olimar seemed to act like this was his first time here, etc. The closest the game gets is what's turning people into leaf-beings, and it never really treats it like some deep mystery nor does it try to explain it.
The lore is actually surprisingly intact, which makes the seeming attempt at a reboot all the stranger. Even the leaf people thing is actually taken directly from the bad ending of the original game. Pretty much everything established about the universe in the past games holds true here, except certain events from the previous games are implied to have not happened yet or happened slightly differently or something. They more or less cover all of it in 4 anyway, so I don't know why they seem to be starting the plot over. They removed zero baggage for newcomers and just made it confusing for existing fans.
Oh I didn't know that. This is actually my first video game. Thanks for the tip.
3 was like a 6 hour campaign. Don’t get me wrong it was very focused and guided experience with a lot more thought and detail out in each step of the way. However, it was incredibly short. Caves returning, Dandori, hub, and night exploration has already significantly expanded the amount of content by a vast amount in 4.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: This game has the exact same premise as Brian's Winter. That is: It's a "what-if" scenario detailing what would have canonically happened if Olimar failed to escape. It's not a reboot per se; it's an alternate ending sequel.The lore is actually surprisingly intact, which makes the seeming attempt at a reboot all the stranger. Even the leaf people thing is actually taken directly from the bad ending of the original game. Pretty much everything established about the universe in the past games holds true here, except certain events from the previous games are implied to have not happened yet or happened slightly differently or something. They more or less cover all of it in 4 anyway, so I don't know why they seem to be starting the plot over. They removed zero baggage for newcomers and just made it confusing for existing fans.
The house is something a lot of people seem to get hung up on for some reason. The Glutton's Kitchen in 2 also took place in a house, complete with fresh fried eggs and lunch meat on plates to collect. Pikmin games have always had this thing where it's obviously earth and humans are absent, but there are mysteriously pristine man-made structures everywhere. 4 is just much more in your face about the setting than the past games, and kind of reverses the usual balance of domestic and wilderness environments.
This is the Fallen Hero timeline!
I was thinking about this the other day, how there supposedly was this apocalypse that vanquished all humans from the face of the earth, yet everything you find is in pristine condition, even stuff that is many years apart like the Gameboy Advance and the Switch Joycons or stuff you find in caves.I do not believe for a second that the humans are "gone" from Earth; they're merely out of sight. Olimar himself even mentions that he thinks there must people natives watching him. There's literally a running stove in the Kitchen and a working freezer. And fresh food, including a ham. That house is not abandoned. The only question is: How contrived is the explanation for why we never see other people? Is it a full=on slap stick "Oh, you just kept missing them?" Or, is there a legitimate reason?
Here's my guess:
If you pay attention to the NPC chatter, the flat our comment on the game mechanics. They point out time flows slower inside of caves, the point out how corpses mysteriously vanish and reappear overnight, they comment on how it doesn't make sense for certain items to be in caves. They even comment on the fact that the Glow Pikmin do not appear to actually be alive. Thus, my theory:
There you go. What ever the details are, who knows. But something to the effect of the premise of The Langoliers. Timey-wimey stuff.
Honestly, I think it's just the second half of the game. I think they put the end credits half-way through for player psychology reasons. They wanted players to feel like they "beat the game," and can stop early if they're not having fun. Or something like that.
Have you already beaten the treasure collecting one in the desert? I remember that one being the hardest for meI'm really hooked up on the Pikmin 3 missions! It's taking me a lot of tries to Platinum each of them (still 3 to go) but when I finally manage to do it I get this similar sensation to when you (almost) flawlessy beat a Souls boss that's been kicking your ass for a couple of hours. I've spent a couple of hours beating "Forest of Festivity" after failing for a couple of seconds and when I finally did it I had almost 2 minutes to spare!! At first this level seemed impossible, with all the difficult to reach places and walls that created very long paths to get anywhere, but it's amazing when you crack it open and start mixing parts where you need the 3 captains at once, with other moments where they each have to do their own thing only to come together at the end again, or share Pikmin across walls...
Conversely, seeing that the timer doesn't stop when I collect what I think is the last piece of fruit makes my heart sink like like when a Souls boss kills you with 1% HP left
I like them more than the missions in 4: Having 3 captains with the same abilties opens a lot of different strategies, while in 4, due to everything Oatchi can do but you can't, it feels like the solutions are more restricted.
BTW, I LOVE the small pause in Pikmin 4 after you throw the required number of Pikmins to a collectible. You can mash the button and still get the perfect amount. I never get this right in 3, I'm always falling 1 short or using 1 extra.
I've beaten Thristy Desert (and the remix) and I'm missing Beastly Caverns, Forgotten Cove (maybe this is the one you say? It felt very big, in my bronze playthrough I even didn't make it to the big lake) and ClockWork Chasm (this looks incredibly complex with all the conveyor belts, it's surely going to take me a while)...
Thirsty Desert remix was the toughest for me then. Clockwork Chasm is also quite tricky, but also a really fun one
I think that's the one that took me more tries as well. But it also has one of the most awesome moments: The way I solved it there was a moment when both captains crossed paths at an intersection where a lot of Pikmin where carrying nuggets on their own from different places, it was really cool seeing how I had setup all that
I come bearing advice from Raccoon.
Okie dokie lemon squeezy. Time to listen to an old man yammer about his past!
Pretty much just that that's the way he is. Some people just suck.
These games are all pretty darkly comedic, so I think he is just supposed to be that coworker who is selfish, rude, and just overall an endless liability. The lore is the lore of our world, and Louies are just a part of our dumb reality.
Do Olimar’s thing for a change of pace.
