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Do you know when the remaster will be announced?
Hope you all have a brilliant Thursday.
Anyone who says TTYD has bad music just simply can't handle being Rawked:
I hope its true I’m gonna buy it 3 times. Once digitally, one physical copy for my indulgence, and another physical copy to have sealed on display.
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Hope it’s true and it outsells the recent entries by a large margin just so Nintendo can see what kind of Paper Mario games we want.
I could easily see a TTYD remaster outselling TOK. It hasn't been re-released in 20 years and is well regarded as a classic. TOK only sold 3~ million copies, which is alright but not spectacular considering the massive Switch Sales Boost other franchises received. SPM is still the best selling game in the franchise, and both PM & TTYD's sales numbers are close to TOK despite releasing on systems that sold a fraction of what the Switch has. It's better clear the old formula performed better both critically and financially.In all likelihood it won't even come close and Nintendo is well aware what kind of games people actually want.
I mean, they kind of did. Sticker Star set the groundwork and turned out the way it did because Miyamoto disliked how similar it was to TTYD and thought it wasn't bland enough. The only business reason they've ever given (only after CS's release) was they thought having two Mario RPG series running concurrently was unnecessary, which isn't the case now. And that argument doesn't even hold water sales-wise as the bestselling entries for both franchises were released in-tandem during the 5th/6th gens.They've not taken paper mario in the direction they did on a blind whim.
Anyone who says TTYD has bad music just simply can't handle being Rawked:
~1.3m and ~1.9m respectively are close to ~3.3m?I could easily see a TTYD remaster outselling TOK. It hasn't been re-released in 20 years and is well regarded as a classic. TOK only sold 3~ million copies, which is alright but not spectacular considering the massive Switch Sales Boost other franchises received. SPM is still the best selling game in the franchise, and both PM & TTYD's sales numbers are close to TOK despite releasing on systems that sold a fraction of what the Switch has. It's better clear the old formula performed better both critically and financially.
One, the direction change was not a blind whim. Two, Miyamoto wasn't the sole arbiter of the choices made. Paper Mario fans need to stop blaming him as if he and he alone is the reason for the direction change of games he's not even directly involved in making.I could easily see a TTYD remaster outselling TOK. It hasn't been re-released in 20 years and is well regarded as a classic. TOK only sold 3~ million copies, which is alright but not spectacular considering the massive Switch Sales Boost other franchises received. SPM is still the best selling game in the franchise, and both PM & TTYD's sales numbers are close to TOK despite releasing on systems that sold a fraction of what the Switch has. It's better clear the old formula performed better both critically and financially.
I mean, they kind of did. Sticker Star set the groundwork and turned out the way it did because Miyamoto disliked how similar it was to TTYD and thought it wasn't bland enough. The only business reason they've ever given (only after CS's release) was they thought having two Mario RPG series running concurrently was unnecessary, which isn't the case now. And that argument doesn't even hold water sales-wise as the bestselling entries for both franchises were released in-tandem during the 5th/6th gens.
It's better clear the old formula performed better both critically and financially.
And Custom Robo! Don't let Custom Robo be forgotten before its laid to rest!One of the greatest games ever. If this is real, and the Zelda HD Ports eventually make it to switch, all I would really need from Nintendo is a Chibi Robo port and the Gamecube can finally rest.
I don't know. I don't think that Nintendo would change designs in this game. But colour me surprised if they do.Because that's an emulator. If they release this as a new retail game, they're going to make changes. Same as they did for Wind waker HD, Twilight Princess HD, Metroid prime remastered, Luigi's mansion 3D, so on. At bare minimum it'll get a bunch of QOL changes and graphical updates.
you know your argument is silly lmao, you re comparing a gamecube game to a switch one.Could it? What were TTYD's legs like?
Metroid Dread in its first three months of 2022 sold 160k. 300K is a pitiful number for a game that had a higher debut, in comparison.What lack of legs? It sold another 300k in 2021, which is decent for a game which was a one and done with no extended support (if people were wondering why they give the mario sports titles downloadable courses and characters over time, thats your answer).
In all likelihood, any limited lifetime would only have been even more frontloaded if they leaned even harder in to the old RPG style. It's not like RPGs without updates are known for having extended lifetimes in general.
Even on hardcore forums, the actual demand for something that plays like a classic paper mario style game is muted [I spent enough time shilling for bug fables to realise this], to the point where I'm pretty sure the people at IntSys know what they're doing and there isn't actually some massive audience just waiting to jump on that also isn't interested at all in games like Origami king.
Dread was a GOTY nominee. It got a slight bump afterwards and then vanished. I don't think this comparison tells us anything other than that too few people have played Dread.you know your argument is silly lmao, you re comparing a gamecube game to a switch one.
Metroid Dread in its first three months of 2022 sold 160k. 300K is a pitiful number for a game that had a higher debut, in comparison.
If we were talking about a goty winner then i'd agree, but nobody remembers the nominated games. They only remember who won.Dread was a GOTY nominee. It got a slight bump afterwards and then vanished. I don't think this comparison tells us anything other than that too few people have played Dread.
I'm not really making an argument or a comparison, I'm trying to find out what your frame of reference for good or acceptable legs for a Paper Mario game is. You were the one who made the claim that the "lack of legs" is indicative of the market somehow rejecting the new style. Wonder how this line of argumentation will serve you in the future.you know your argument is silly lmao, you re comparing a gamecube game to a switch one.
We dont know, that is true, until we get another PM game that plays like the originals (or this remaster) we wont know. But TOK was very quickly forgotten so we can assume people didn't really enjoy what they played, am i saying it is the only reason? No, not really, but it definitely isnt far fetched.I'm not really making an argument or a comparison, I'm trying to find out what your frame of reference for good or acceptable legs for a Paper Mario game is. You were the one who made the claim that the "lack of legs" is indicative of the market somehow rejecting the new style. Wonder how this line of argumentation will serve you in the future.
The game had mostly positive critical acclaim and if nothing else has a good number of people here who sure like it. I think it's a little weird to project your personal misgivings onto other people based on limited data!If we were talking about a goty winner then i'd agree, but nobody remembers the nominated games. They only remember who won.
Comparing to another game that had a lower debut and went on to sell much more than the paper mario game: Fire Emblem 3H.
Or Xenoblade, which went on to have much better legs too!
Hell Dread itself is probably going to, when we get the White Papers report. Is it just difficult to accept that it had depressing legs, and that maybe just maybe there wasnt an interest in it after people realized they didn't enjoy what they got?
Fire Emblem had been trending upward since the 3DS era. Both Awakening and Fates set subsequent franchise sales records. Shadows of Valentia was released in the shadow of the Switch when 3DS game sales in general fell off a cliff. Three Houses didn't sell as well as it did just because of a Switch bump.If we were talking about a goty winner then i'd agree, but nobody remembers the nominated games. They only remember who won.
Comparing to another game that had a lower debut and went on to sell much more than the paper mario game: Fire Emblem 3H.
Or Xenoblade, which went on to have much better legs too!
Hell Dread itself is probably going to, when we get the White Papers report. Is it just difficult to accept that it had depressing legs, and that maybe just maybe there wasnt an interest in it after people realized they didn't enjoy what they got?
If we were talking about a goty winner then i'd agree, but nobody remembers the nominated games. They only remember who won.
Comparing to another game that had a lower debut and went on to sell much more than the paper mario game: Fire Emblem 3H.
Or Xenoblade, which went on to have much better legs too!
Hell Dread itself is probably going to, when we get the White Papers report. Is it just difficult to accept that it had depressing legs, and that maybe just maybe there wasnt an interest in it after people realized they didn't enjoy what they got?
Honestly, given this thread, I wonder how many TTYD superfans even gave The Origami King an honest shot. Not to say that TOK is inherently better or that TTYD fans would necessarily like it for its own merits, but a lot of the posts in this thread are just so dismissive of it. Arguments come off as though the game is Soulless Nothing while Unrestrained Genius languishes on the GameCube, and would surely blow TOK out of the water, setting all kinds of sales records if only it were re-released, exactly as is.
I played it. It definitely wasn't a "soulless" game lol. I enjoyed the characters who join in on the adventure. The world itself is very vibrant too. With that said I did not finish it because of the battle system. I came into the game with low expectations and was surprised with how much I was enjoying it. But the battle system wore me down, especially halfway through. I'd say the fun I was having with the game was more on a Super Paper Mario level than TTYD but I loved SPM lol. I actually think they'll eventually settle on future paper mario games playing like Super Paper Mario. Origami King is a good game.Honestly, given this thread, I wonder how many TTYD superfans even gave The Origami King an honest shot. Not to say that TOK is inherently better or that TTYD fans would necessarily like it for its own merits, but a lot of the posts in this thread are just so dismissive of it. Arguments come off as though the game is Soulless Nothing while Unrestrained Genius languishes on the GameCube, and would surely blow TOK out of the water, setting all kinds of sales records if only it were re-released, exactly as is.
I gave it a go. Pretty sure I did at least 4 streamers before I fell off. I had had enough of the battle system, ha.Honestly, given this thread, I wonder how many TTYD superfans even gave The Origami King an honest shot.
The puzzle system is easy...I played TOK… for awhile. The humor and everything is as good as it has ever been, but that battle system… turning every battle into its own timed puzzle was just way too much for me. I like puzzles, but I have a limit and TOK far exceeded that. And I’ve played through every PM and M&L game prior to this one.
Basically what TOK is.and just make it a full action-adventure game
It's a bit different especially with boss battles. Some of the "puzzles" are supposed to feel gratifying when you do it right but it loses that feeling pretty quickly. It just drags.The puzzle system is easy...
And at least it means that you always have something fun to do for every combat. In previous PM games, especially PM64 and TTYD, the game is basically a rpg, it means that apart the bosses you don't even have to think about what you are doing, it's just random trash combats.
Btw I don't think that the combats are the main thing in the last games, they are more exploration focused games. With great presentation, music, and really good dialogues. Even the store, Olivia is maybe the best sidekick ever made.
Basically what TOK is.
I've been meaning to! Got a copy. But I haven't gotten a chance to. I watched a friend play through the whole game over a stream. He was getting tired of the standard battles, but the boss battles, music, and Bobby were all highlights. But yeah, TTYD and TOK both hit different beats, I see why one who likes one wouldn't like the other.Honestly, given this thread, I wonder how many TTYD superfans even gave The Origami King an honest shot. Not to say that TOK is inherently better or that TTYD fans would necessarily like it for its own merits, but a lot of the posts in this thread are just so dismissive of it. Arguments come off as though the game is Soulless Nothing while Unrestrained Genius languishes on the GameCube, and would surely blow TOK out of the water, setting all kinds of sales records if only it were re-released, exactly as is.
I recall this making me a bit sad as a kid, never dug the art style shift, but I get why they went with it under mere development reasons, I pressume tweening puppet characters are easier to do than various pre-made sprites.All this talk about "lack of legs" reminds me of how Thousand-Year Door started depicting Paper Mario without visible legs, Rayman-style.
well believe it or not, with Sticker Star onward they went back to doing mostly sprites for the charactersI recall this making me a bit sad as a kid, never dug the art style shift, but I get why they went with it under mere development reasons, I pressume tweening puppet characters are easier to do than various pre-made sprites.
I played it from start to finish, I tried to enjoy it but it just kept feeling like it was way too childish even for a Mario game, like I felt too old to being playing it. I don't think it's an awful game but i definitely don't think it's fantastic or great.Honestly, given this thread, I wonder how many TTYD superfans even gave The Origami King an honest shot. Not to say that TOK is inherently better or that TTYD fans would necessarily like it for its own merits, but a lot of the posts in this thread are just so dismissive of it. Arguments come off as though the game is Soulless Nothing while Unrestrained Genius languishes on the GameCube, and would surely blow TOK out of the water, setting all kinds of sales records if only it were re-released, exactly as is.
even Color Splash was a million seller on Wii U
the Mario & Luigi series' sales ceiling as far as I can tell is Dream Team at 2.62 million copies sold
Yup, according to VGcharts color splash failed to pass 1 million and considering VGcharts sales indicator is always inflated then it's probably even lower then what they reportedNo it wasn't, lol. Not even close I have to imagine; being a late 2016 Wii U release, and one controvertial with the core fanbase (the only people supporting Wii U in 2016) at that.
Looks like famous Featured Article nominated Paper Mario (series) on Wikipedia lied to me with its CESA White Paper sourcing. I have so much egg on my face now you can slap a frying pan on me and call me an omelette, and there's no redemption for me.No it wasn't, lol. Not even close I have to imagine; being a late 2016 Wii U release, and one controvertial with the core fanbase (the only people supporting Wii U in 2016) at that.
Looks like famous Featured Article nominated Paper Mario (series) on Wikipedia lied to me with its CESA White Paper sourcing. I have so much egg on my face now you can slap a frying pan on me and call me an omelette, and there's no redemption for me.
Okay I hear you but what if I told you that you are a tiny diaper baby obsessed with nostalgia and Nintendo is kinobasedpoggers because they won't make Mario RPGs anymore and your Hat Goomba is dumb.I don’t care about a sales debate, I just would like to see some sort of traditional Mario RPG again even if it’s an entirely new series. But I know that’ll never happen so I’ll settle for a TTYD remaster, and definitely not a remake that replaces the entire score for no good reason.
Also SMRPG on NSO but that seems even less likely.