I actually think I would've like Tropical Freeze more if it came from NLG. Their games tend to be better balanced and they wouldn't have put these long-ass bosses fights that you have to restart from the beginning if you die, which kinda killed the game for me
Nah. They didn't buy them to put them on any kind of new IP or creative venture. It's going to be Strikers, Luigi's Mansion, Strikers, Luigi's Mansion, Strikers, Luigi's Mansion. Even well after we've moved past the mansion!
Given their experience in animation and lighting I wouldn't be surprised if at some point Nintendo would give them some kind of a more story-focused Mario game (like an RPG or something) if the movie is a success
I think LM4 is next from them (and maybe already being worked on), but I don’t think another strikers would come so soon after THAT. Hopefully they can squeeze something new in, and I’m also hoping they can continue growing and maybe do multiple projects at once
Yeah I think that's the logical conclusion for the series myself. Would hopefully still retain some of it's RE influence (considering those are kind of Metroidvanias already).
Yeah, those boss fights were easily the worst part of Tropical Freeze lol. Its been years since I've played it, but I remember having a LOT of trouble with the fourth boss (the pufferfish) in particular. It'd be interesting to see what a NLG-developed DK would look like for sure. Especially a 3d one.
Some sort of spin-off game is likely. Maybe Detective Pikachu finally gets re-revealed? We could also see a new Mystery Dungeon game.
I think LM4 can do a big shakeup. This may be controversial, but I don’t think Luigi’s Mansion NEEDS to center around the vacuum.
My take on this is weird too, being that I would openly welcome new single player IPs from Nintendo’s studios, but I love their existing franchises so much so I ALSO want those to continue being iterated on. Feels like the only solution to that is nintendo massively expanding.
Ugh I would love detective pikachu to finally return, I hope it wasn't cancelled
Save states that have rewind data are many multiple time the size of the existing RAM. 2k of RAM + CPU/PPU/Ricoh state every frame, means that uncompressed a save state is about a MB/second of rewind.
Folks will keep saying that until the game is running safely on their Switch
. Can't blame Zelda fans after having dealt with delays so often but the endless pessimism is starting to grate on me a little.
Time has been good to a lot of the GameCube titles. People don’t complain about WW’s graphics these days. LM is a bona fide franchise now. Pikmin has a 4th game in the works supposedly. Hell even Sunshine has its defenders these days.
Too soon.
Hook it into my veins
I do know those rumours but tbh I'm more willing to blame Nintendo for the failure of that game than Retro themselves - especially considering how controlling Nintendo tends to be with their developers.
Eh, I think your take on Sony's IPs is kinda 'Nintendo fanboyish' lol, but I'll leave it there since you do have a point all around
I suggested StarTopics as the name for this forum (and then it got adopted as a name for OTs) precisely in order to remind Nintendo that the franchise exists.
I mean it wasn’t intended to be fanboyish, it’s a fact. Like you said, they’re story focused. So Sony doesn’t mind having most of their biggest IPs be in the same genre gameplay-wise. I’m not calling Sony’s approach wrong, it’s just different from Nintendo’s, which is very “this IP covers this gameplay style for us”I do know those rumours but tbh I'm more willing to blame Nintendo for the failure of that game than Retro themselves - especially considering how controlling Nintendo tends to be with their developers.
I can't see how the people who revolutionised Metroid and arguably bested Rare in the 2D platformer space could seemingly fail so badly on their own that years of work had to go down the drain. I can see an otherwise talented developer finding themselves in a lose-lose situation where their pre-existing management problems mixed in with a lack of support from higher-ups and roadblocks caused by "not fitting with Nintendo's vision."
Like, when you put it into perspective; Nintendo has only put out two* new in-house, non-casual, major IPs in the past 20 years - ARMS and Splatoon**. It must have been an incredibly difficult task trying to make another one - especially when Retro was probably not wanting to make a game akin to ARMS and Splatoon (i.e. multiplayer-focused cartoon-styled titles with lots of franchise potential).
*Arguably Xenoblade as well, but I'm not classing a franchise that wasn't originally meant to even see a world-wide release as "major."
**I'd also add here that ARMs is probably a dead franchise, and Splatoon is only at 3 entries and is already in the "yeah this probably needs a bit of a shakeup," phase for me lol
Eh, I think your take on Sony's IPs is kinda 'Nintendo fanboyish' lol, but I'll leave it there since you do have a point all around
Sony's IPs tend to be based on specific stories and, as such, they kind of have a 'shelf-life' Meanwhile all of Nintendo's IPs can potentially go on forever - and they, generally, have gameplay experiences that can't be found elsewhere.
However I do think that this represents a failure on Nintendo's part - whether it be a failure to create natural growth, or a failure in vision from higher-ups. For a company as large as them it shouldn't be an 'either or' whether an incredibly talented dev like NLG can make a creative, unique new IP or... Mario Strikers 3. There should be enough resources and support there to balance them out - especially since the individual titles very likely don't have the same budgets as a Last of Us or Horizon Zero Dawn does (this ain't a dig on those titles but, I mean, come on lol).
I don't know - I do want to see more titles released in Nintendo's franchises, but I don't want to see an overall lack of creativity where every generation is just an assorted selection of takes on the same small IP pool. They can do differently - as pretty much the entirety of their pre-Wii years shows - they're just... not doing that. It's working financially, for sure, but it's also not the most exciting thing in the world for me.
I do quite like Nintendo's approach to IP (and much prefer it to Sony's). I think it's impressive how they're able to (more often than not) successfully adapt their existing franchises into new experiences. I wouldn't say no to new IPs of course (Splatoon was da bomb), but gameplay innovation is way more important to me.
Who knows what happened at Retro to even make such statements. The only thing we can glean is something happened to whatever game they made. Considering Nintendo can be pretty hands-off at times I don’t think this narrative of Nintendo being ultra controlling is true. Nor do I think they found a lack of support because it didn’t fit Nintendo’s vision, whatever that means, or speculating on management problems with no evidence is a good thing. See Project Hammer as a thing that absolutely should had the reigns taken over earlier or Spangenberg Retro. And, this sort of stuff happens all the time to developers: Bethesda, BioWare, Rare, Factor 5, etc.
Firs I’m really confused as to why the ultra specific distinction. It makes no sense to go that specific because it absolutely cuts out all the ip they have made over the years. I also don’t think it was some herculean task to get something like Arms or Splatoon made. Considering it seems to be in the devs/studios hands at the time as seen with the ever so infamous “Fuck DK” incident. Who even knows what Retro was doing all this time to even make such a statement on that, they could have been or not.
I mean I can say the same for Sony in failing to diversify their output and hyper condensing their portfolio from the PS3 to a very specific market and specific budget point. Regardless it takes Sony years to do these things with not much in between outside of third party games. Every so often they’ll throw a Ratchet out there.Eh, I think your take on Sony's IPs is kinda 'Nintendo fanboyish' lol, but I'll leave it there since you do have a point all around
Sony's IPs tend to be based on specific stories and, as such, they kind of have a 'shelf-life' Meanwhile all of Nintendo's IPs can potentially go on forever - and they, generally, have gameplay experiences that can't be found elsewhere.
However I do think that this represents a failure on Nintendo's part - whether it be a failure to create natural growth, or a failure in vision from higher-ups. For a company as large as them it shouldn't be an 'either or' whether an incredibly talented dev like NLG can make a creative, unique new IP or... Mario Strikers 3. There should be enough resources there to balance them out - especially since the individual titles likely don't have the same budgets as a Last of Us or Horizon Zero Dawn does (this ain't a dig on those titles but, I mean, come on lol).
I don't know - I do want to see more titles released in Nintendo's franchises, but I don't want to see an overall lack of creativity where every generation is just an assorted selection of takes on the same small IP pool. They can do differently - as pretty much the entirety of their pre-Wii years shows - they're just... not.
I cried when I first saw it when I was 11 and still think I’d tear up today watching it
Even when you use the foundation of a legacy IP it can still be hard.
