It has already been explained here that the elimination of a game in a rating does not mean that that rating was an error, since it frequently happens with games that are leaked via rating.
I guess stacking everything is the future to avoid costs and Moores law.
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The bolded is obviously a huge exaggeration, as was my "100 times cheaper." Between the memory technology itself, the interface to let a Switch read it, and the manufacturing-to-sale pipeline, everything is already humming along in a way that takes years to develop and get up and running. The memory alone being cheaper doesn't make that economy of scale go away in the couple years of Switch lifecycle Nintendo would have left if they did spend the time and money to switch mid-gen.Doesnt make sense to me. If they can make back that R&D investment quite quickly by selling a few million game cards, you would want to make the investment as early as possible. Would make zero difference to the end user, Switch woudnt be able to utilize the higher speed anyway,
I have access to the full thing, but I'm guessing sharing that would not be kosher.Also here is the paper I was thinking of, it's actually from 2017- (courtesy of @Thraktor )
A 128Gb (MLC)/192Gb (TLC) single-gate vertical channel (SGVC) architecture 3D NAND using only 16 layers with robust read disturb, long-retention and excellent scaling capability
We have successfully developed a 128Gb MLC (or 192Gb TLC) 3D NAND Flash using 16-layer SGVC architecture. The produced memory density is 1.6 Gb/mm <sup xmlns:mml="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink">2</sup> for MLC or 2.4 Gb/mm <sup...ieeexplore.ieee.org
Requires a subscription though. This is a relatively exciting excerpt (if true):
Basically the idea is, the more layers you have the more storage you have and the less the storage costs per GB, since cost scales much more with area than volume. Not sure if the exact costs will be the same as in 2017 ($0.04 per GB which would be ~$5 for 128GB) but the concept is the same- more layers equals larger yet cheaper storage.
Which sounds promising? Unless the current carts have greater longevity at 40c...Using simplified Arrehenius model with Ea=1.1eV, the retention already surpass 40 years at room-temperature storage, and more than 5 years at 40 degree. The RBER increase slowly at 85C baking, and it is expected to be only ~1E-3 at 85C 10 year, which is correctable by BCH method. We believe that this retention performance is much better than ordinary TLC 3D NAND Flash.
The bolded is obviously a huge exaggeration, as was my "100 times cheaper." Between the memory technology itself, the interface to let a Switch read it, and the manufacturing-to-sale pipeline, everything is already humming along in a way that takes years to develop and get up and running. The memory alone being cheaper doesn't make that economy of scale go away in the couple years of Switch lifecycle Nintendo would have left if they did spend the time and money to switch mid-gen.
Microsoft revealed the Series X at The Game Awards, an event that Nintendo doesn’t participate in with any notable capacity anymore. For Sony, the intention to release PS5 in 2020 was relayed to investors in April 2019, but we didn’t even get a logo until CES 2020.Sony talked about PS5 a year before release despite PS4 still selling very well. Same with Xbox. Switch is in it's 7th year, acknowledging next gen isn't going to cause a healthy, declining platform to drop like a rock. There's no strong evidence to suggest this.
I’m no longer buying it because of XCalling it MK 10 or X or whatever won't cause any confusion or lose them a single sale. It's the tenth MK game.
Using new console R&D to justify the expense, as well as waiting longer for the tech to mature (they're putting out more layers now?), and being able to use the tech to its fullest extent (the increased bandwidth) are all reasons to hold off on doing it until you've got a new console. Additionally as LiC said, presenting the new format as part of the reason to upgrade to the new gen product.But it's a change they eventually need to make. They can incur the huge setup cost mid gen and benefit from decreased cart costs earlier, or they can wait until the generational shift, when they're dealing with a million other costs and unknowns and potential hurdles.
isn't Nintendo already using NAND for larger capacities?I have access to the full thing, but I'm guessing sharing that would not be kosher.
What concerns me is that this is just 3D NAND, there is nothing in here about ROM applications. Now, I'll confess, I'm not clear on what Macronix is doing to bog-standard NAND memory to make it suitable for use as very long-lasting ROM. Totally unclear on that.
The paper says:
Which sounds promising? Unless the current carts have greater longevity at 40c...
Edit: it goes on to say that it's ideal for game grade memory. Well there we go!
Yeah, but it's rated for longer life somehow. But so is this, so my concern was founded on nothing. This tech seems perfectly designed for Nintendo's purposes, and it's the longevity which separates it from other tlc or 3d solutions.isn't Nintendo already using NAND for larger capacities?
i’m gonna ask a silly question, but why would third-party know about the announcements of Nintendo console, and not simply the release window of the Nintendo’s console? To my understanding, and this is simply an understanding, something like an announcement is very much a secret thing and not meant to be known.March is most likely for the announcement as opposed to the release, it’s just too soon.
It's also worth mentioning that, even if it was a mistake, it doesn't really eliminate the possibility of RDR2 on Switch 2 in the near future. It just means they messed up a rating, that doesn't mean that the port doesn't exist.It has already been explained here that the elimination of a game in a rating does not mean that that rating was an error, since it frequently happens with games that are leaked via rating.
Nobody would upgrade to a new gen for higher capacity and cheaper (for devs and publishers) cards. If the current Switch had that, it woudnt make next gen a less appealing product.Using new console R&D to justify the expense, as well as waiting longer for the tech to mature (they're putting out more layers now?), and being able to use the tech to its fullest extent (the increased bandwidth) are all reasons to hold off on doing it until you've got a new console. Additionally as LiC said, presenting the new format as part of the reason to upgrade to the new gen product.
I'm sure they've been working closely with Macronix for years on how best to initiate the changeover, but doing it at a hard transitional period makes much more sense for all parties involved.
Just an educated guess, but if Nintendo's marketing third party games with their console, there's a better than awful chance that third-parties would know. They'd be given a deadline to submit a port to Nintendo and be asked permission if they can include the game in the device's marketing materials. Not saying that they would, just that it's plausible.i’m gonna ask a silly question, but why would third-party know about the announcements of Nintendo console, and not simply the release window of the Nintendo’s console? To my understanding, and this is simply an understanding, something like an announcement is very much a secret thing and not meant to be known.
If there’s an announcement in say, March, why would they (third parties) know when Nintendo is planning to announce for when they will release a new system? That seems odd.
Probably because said third-party publishers would need to know when it’ll be ok to announce their Switch 2 games. That plus if they want their game(s) to be featured in the Switch 2 reveal.i’m gonna ask a silly question, but why would third-party know about the announcements of Nintendo console, and not simply the release window of the Nintendo’s console? To my understanding, and this is simply an understanding, something like an announcement is very much a secret thing and not meant to be known.
If there’s an announcement in say, March, why would they (third parties) know when Nintendo is planning to announce for when they will release a new system? That seems odd.
If thirds are to know about the release, then whatever game will be there day one and the target window of the system, those should be ready way beforehand and also the follow up for the first year of the system. Which can be 9 months, a year or maybe more depending on what it is (new game or newly added to the system pile eg Xbox and PlayStation along with this system).
And I suppose the caveat that will be focused on is that Nintendo wants the games ready by March, so they can announce it in March. But my one concern is that it seems like a really short window to have games ready to present while also announcing it, unless the actual showcase of the device is later And the March thing is simply akin to the 3DS reveal which was a PDF released to the press.
But why would a third party know that Nintendo is doing that? The report is that thirds were talking about a timing of March. But I find it odd that they’d know when Nintendo is going to announce it.
Oh sure, it's just fun to see it presented in such a visual and accessible way. For Entertainment Purposes Only .Just for the record, the estimates for DLSS in this thread have always been done with this understanding. And it's wasn't just guessing; people have tested it on other hardware, or referenced the big table of execution time estimates Nvidia publishes where you can see it going up to several milliseconds.
Probably because said third-party publishers would need to know when it’ll be ok to announce their Switch 2 games. That plus if they want their game(s) to be featured in the Switch 2 reveal.
I meant for devs to upgrade games to the new product. The cost savings in terms of optimization/compression work plus generally lower cost for game media would be enticing to get them to jump on board early.Nobody would upgrade to a new gen for higher capacity and cheaper (for devs and publishers) cards. If the current Switch had that, it woudnt make next gen a less appealing product.
Announcement & reveal are the same thing, so I don’t get the separation. A March reveal & a September release would give Nintendo 6 months to market the Switch 2 ahead of launch. It’d be 1 months more than what the Switch 1 had, but not too far off from that marketing cycle. Plus Nintendo can use the February Direct to tie up any loose ends for the Switch 1 (FE Echoes Genealogy, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime 2 & 3, etc.) ahead of the Switch 2 reveal.So what is it? March announcement or March reveal?
'Cause if it's the latter, it's extremely likely it releases in H1. ^^
Announcement & reveal are the same thing, so I don’t get the separation. A March reveal & a September release would give Nintendo 6 months to market the Switch 2 ahead of launch. It’d be 1 months more than what the Switch 1 had, but not too far off from that marketing cycle. Plus Nintendo can use the February Direct to tie up any loose ends for the Switch 1 (FE Echoes Genealogy, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime 2 & 3, etc.) ahead of the Switch 2 reveal.
The types of devs at gamescom learning about the Switch 2 for the first time are probably not the types of devs who would have games features in a short video reveal.Probably because said third-party publishers would need to know when it’ll be ok to announce their Switch 2 games. That plus if they want their game(s) to be featured in the Switch 2 reveal.
The reviews for this are looking preeeeeeeetty nice.The Nitro Deck
Have mixed feelings about the way they're marketing this, but the concept is sort of neat. It's a complete controller that attaches to a switch, but doesn't use the joycon rails at all, instead connecting via the USB-C port to reduce latency. The implication seems to also be that it effectively is a dock. You plug the HDMI cable in, and stick out the kickstand, and it's in TV mode.
It’s not that they need to be done, but rather presentable. Kinda like Skyrim during the Switch 1 reveal.Switch was announced in 2016. (And no, thirds definitely didn't need their games/promo done at that time, every good video editor slaps some random gameplay on a in-screen display ^^)
The big reveal with third party game announcement was in January 2017. That was the point where devs actually had to have promo / games ready for.
So if devs need to have their stuff ready by March 2024, it would be the reveal. And that would be close to launch given Switch was January to March 2017.
Maybe not the majority, but there’s likely some overlap. And from Nintendo’s perspective, they may not want to take away from Mario Wonder’s spotlight.The people who buy a Switch 2 year one are not the people who buy a Switch year seven
Just an educated guess, but if Nintendo's marketing third party games with their console, there's a better than awful chance that third-parties would know. They'd be given a deadline to submit a port to Nintendo and be asked permission if they can include the game in the device's marketing materials. Not saying that they would, just that it's plausible.
Reveal it after Wonder has been out a few weeks, problem solvedIt’s not that they need to be done, but rather presentable. Kinda like Skyrim during the Switch 1 reveal.
Maybe not the majority, but there’s likely some overlap. And from Nintendo’s perspective, they may not want to take away from Mario Wonder’s spotlight.
Current gen Switch using new card memory, but with the same package/body/connector, would be a franken-product only halfway between the current cards and what Nintendo will actually use on next-gen. That's it's own R&D expenditure on top of the proper one for the real new cards.Nobody would upgrade to a new gen for higher capacity and cheaper (for devs and publishers) cards. If the current Switch had that, it woudnt make next gen a less appealing product.
In my mind, announcement would be a big standard press release or short statement like what they did for the 3DS or the Switch (when we only knew it as the NX). Basically "Nintendo Co. Ltd. will release [insert name here] in fiscal year ending March 202X. Details to follow on [insert date/event here]."Announcement & reveal are the same thing, so I don’t get the separation.
I have a feeling it will either just be called Mario Kart as in a soft reboot like the soon to be released Forza Motorsport or they’ll give it a sub title Mario Kart: DLSS etc. I don’t see them calling it Mario Kart 10 or X personally.Calling it MK 10 or X or whatever won't cause any confusion or lose them a single sale. It's the tenth MK game.
i’m gonna ask a silly question, but why would third-party know about the announcements of Nintendo console, and not simply the release window of the Nintendo’s console? To my understanding, and this is simply an understanding, something like an announcement is very much a secret thing and not meant to be known.
If there’s an announcement in say, March, why would they (third parties) know when Nintendo is planning to announce for when they will release a new system? That seems odd.
If thirds are to know about the release, then whatever game will be there day one and the target window of the system, those should be ready way beforehand and also the follow up for the first year of the system. Which can be 9 months, a year or maybe more depending on what it is (new game or newly added to the system pile eg Xbox and PlayStation along with this system).
And I suppose the caveat that will be focused on is that Nintendo wants the games ready by March, so they can announce it in March. But my one concern is that it seems like a really short window to have games ready to present while also announcing it, unless the actual showcase of the device is later And the March thing is simply akin to the 3DS reveal which was a PDF released to the press.
But why would a third party know that Nintendo is doing that? The report is that thirds were talking about a timing of March. But I find it odd that they’d know when Nintendo is going to announce it.
There's no way they'l name it after some rendering tech. You could argue Nintendo 64 did, but bit counts had a lot of marketing power back in the 90s.I have a feeling it will either just be called Mario Kart as in a soft reboot like the soon to be released Forza Motorsport or they’ll give it a sub title Mario Kart: DLSS etc. I don’t see them calling it Mario Kart 10 or X personally.
TRUE. that's the angle we needed. Jim Ryan is fucking TERRIFIED of DLSS technology. The ransomware attack leaked some of his emails where he used numerous expletives after being told a tablet could achieve visuals close to the PS5 and ray tracing that may even SURPASS the PS5. On multiple occasions he described it as "unfair horseshit software magic". Him stepping down is a clear sign of weakness that the company is worried about the future of gaming where the T239 reigns supreme. There are also reports that he tried downloading an SNES emulator on the Playstation Portal and it "exploded".
This was inevitable, and I hate it. The whole point of a merger and acquisition cycle is layoffs. The idea is that you convince a bank and/or investors to put forth a bunch of money based on the idea that the combined company will have the revenue of the original companies, but because of "redundancies" you'll have less overhead. Meaning you lay off one of the two HR teams, you combine the healthcare packages, you mandate a single game engine, and toss the other team out, etcetera.maybe the industry really does need new hardware soon, look at all these layoffs.....
NovemberWhen is the next Nintendo investors meeting?
Nah, he is just retiring before they start seriously working on the PS6 and beyond. I would say Sony (and maybe Microsoft) is looking into the hybrid tablet idea, no doubt.TRUE. that's the angle we needed. Jim Ryan is fucking TERRIFIED of DLSS technology. The ransomware attack leaked some of his emails where he used numerous expletives after being told a tablet could achieve visuals close to the PS5 and ray tracing that may even SURPASS the PS5. On multiple occasions he described it as "unfair horseshit software magic". Him stepping down is a clear sign of weakness that the company is worried about the future of gaming where the T239 reigns supreme. There are also reports that he tried downloading an SNES emulator on the Playstation Portal and it "exploded".
well now that the bubble is popping, there shouldn't be any more Striking Distances and Ascendant Studios, right?What I hope is that the market rapidly corrects, and the laid off staff quickly find new work, and that major talent go indie and/or found their own studios. The initial consolidation wasn't good, but if contraction results in a sudden sprouting of smaller, more interesting studios, that will balm the wound a little bit. But having had some friends who didn't make it through the last wave of layoffs in the industry, I wouldn't wish this on anyone who doesn't wear a tie to work.
That fc24 game looks horrible on switch. I would assume that would be one of the first games to get a switch 2 upgrade release.
That fc24 game looks horrible on switch. I would assume that would be one of the first games to get a switch 2 upgrade release.
Yeah. I wasn’t thinking for a minute. Forgot they release yearly.FC25 should release pretty close to the Switch 2 so they would just do FC25 with improved graphics.
It doesn’t though. You decided it did before even seeing proper gameplay and refused to change your stance when it became clear you were wrong. It’s a massive improvement over what Switch had before.
it was a shitpost broNah, he is just retiring before they start seriously working on the PS6 and beyond. I would say Sony (and maybe Microsoft) is looking into the hybrid tablet idea, no doubt.
Missed this, but interesting the they're advertising low latency over USB-C; my understanding is that USB is actually the highest latency input method available, though I've seen some claims that it's better when not going through the dock.The Nitro Deck
Have mixed feelings about the way they're marketing this, but the concept is sort of neat. It's a complete controller that attaches to a switch, but doesn't use the joycon rails at all, instead connecting via the USB-C port to reduce latency. The implication seems to also be that it effectively is a dock. You plug the HDMI cable in, and stick out the kickstand, and it's in TV mode.
I disagree. I’ve spent the majority of the morning watching gameplay. Nothing about the graphics of that game looks good (to me). If it works for someone else good for them. I will wait for fc25 for a proper full feature version on switch 2.