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Rumour Jeff Grubb: Metroid Prime 2 Remastered coming "relatively soonish", and "Something unrelated to TotK is happening with Zelda later this year"

just going to wait and see what's going on with prime 2 and 3, because the only reason I've seen so far that they might not be proper remasters is that there being handled by third parties and not retro themselves
I expect them to not be graphical overhauls. All the benefits of the new engine in terms of controls, cameras, customizations, but the original assets, uprezzed. I think anything less would be disappointing, and anything more would be setting myself up for heartbreak.

I never played Prime before the Remaster, so I'm mentally steeling myself for some retro goodness, and if I get something better, well, that's gravy
 
Remember that the last few things Jeff said were MP and WW/TP at the September 2022 Direct, maybe next Switch this year, and some Nintendo presentation in July (while we had a big Direct in June). I really like him, but I don't think these rumors now are true.

TOTK is more than enough Zelda for this year, I think they're gonna give it a lot more breathing room until something meaningful (port, remake, remaster, 2D title) comes out. They can wait much longer for that, especially with how long mainline Zelda games take. And Metroid, I don't know. I think Prime 4 is too close to have the rest of the trilogy release before it.

I think the Zelda ports are good very late Switch era releases. It's something to sell to the Switch's large install base while also not needing to take away a lot of resources from development on Nintendo's next system. Make it cross gen compatible and you have a good, solid release.
 
I expect them to not be graphical overhauls. All the benefits of the new engine in terms of controls, cameras, customizations, but the original assets, uprezzed. I think anything less would be disappointing, and anything more would be setting myself up for heartbreak.

I never played Prime before the Remaster, so I'm mentally steeling myself for some retro goodness, and if I get something better, well, that's gravy

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It was a good time to be a Nintendo fan back in those days...before the dark times...before the Wii era.
 
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It was a good time to be a Nintendo fan back in those days...before the dark times...before the Wii era.
I've only owned three game consoles - the NES, the DS Lite, and the Switch. I played lots of SNES, and a little GameCube in college at friend's houses, but I missed out mostly on the 3D era of gaming entirely
 
Finally, I'll be able to complete the "Ultimate 2004 collection" on my Switch. So far I have:

Pikmin 2
GTA San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 3 (coming soon)
Katamari Damacy
Tales of Symphonia
KOTOR 2 Sith Lords
Ninja Gaiden
Rollercoaster Tycoon 3

Rumored:
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes

Possible:
Paper Mario 2
Half Life 2
Second Sight

Not possible but I still want it:
Onimusha 3
 
I've only owned three game consoles - the NES, the DS Lite, and the Switch. I played lots of SNES, and a little GameCube in college at friend's houses, but I missed out mostly on the 3D era of gaming entirely

No time like the present then to get back on that high horse, and vidya game into the sunset! You have a ton of catching up to do. :cool:
 
I’ll believe it when I see it. Grubb is hit/miss and I hate extremely vague stuff like this Zelda thing. You either know something or you don’t. Watch it be the oracle games on NSO which were already announced.
 
They are likely thinking of the time frame for the release of Metroid Prime 4 and the resources they have available. Remastering all 3 games to the level of Prime 1 and before the release of Prime 4 might not have been possible. They clearly want the games out to build up hype for Prime 4 and the current (alleged) plan of remastering the first game and HD porting (with new controls) the other games likely fits in with their resources and time scales a lot better.

It's also worth noting that the Prime 1 remaster didn't exactly rip up trees on the sales front and putting the same amount of effort into entries that were less popular and less critically acclaimed might not lead to much better sales than an HD port would. I actually think the sales of HD ports for these games wouldn't sell that much less than remasters would because the audience for these types of games will mostly buy them regardless.
Disagree quite heavily on the sales part, if prime 2 and 3 are bare bone ports than I'm expecting only 1/4 of what prime remastered life time sales end up being
 
A big reason that Metroid Prime Remaster got the good reviews it got was because the graphics were remade. People saw the $40 price tag as justified by the big upgrade to the visuals.

If Metroid Prime 2 Remaster is nothing more than an HD upres it'll get much worse reviews even if they sell it for only $30.
 
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not really. He usually gets word on a direct before most. His biggest blunder was saying WW/TP HD ports were done are probably going to be announced during a september direct either last year or the year before. Obviously that didn't happen but with Nintendo nowadays he could've been right about it being done and ready to go whenever Nintendo wanted. Metroid Prime Remastered he like 5 weeks off but he obviously knew the game was done and likely had a source who had finished work on it many months before release and the expectation at the time was a late 2022 release.

If he's right about MP2 then it seems to me it's because of a shift in the release window for MP 4.

With that said he's definitely not a lock like he is with practically every other dev lmfao.

There is no release window.
 
Does anyone have a reference for how long development of MPR took?
It might have started development sometime in 2017-2018? Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that front, but we do know that it wrapped up in late 2021.
In the May investor’s meeting Nintendo listed Metroid Prime 4 as one of the games they expect to release this fiscal year.
No, they didn't. It's the same "TBA" date that it's had since 2017.
 
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Does anyone have a reference for how long development of MPR took?
It started early 2018 as a remaster of Trilogy, was rebooted in late 2018 as a remaster only of Prime 1, when it was decided that Retro would take over Prime 4. Primary development wrapped in Summer 2021, with some QA translation work being held until the launch was imminent in 2022.
 
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Echoes is at minimum in my top 3 Metroid games so I'll take it on modern hardware in any form, but obviously I'd prefer it to be like MPR.

If it is like Pikmin 1+2, then the general reaction is going to be negative no matter what imo given how high of a bar MPR set. If it does turn out 2 and 3 get minimal effort then I doubt Nintendo has remotely significant expectations for it anyway and they just want to make them readily available again.
 
Seriously if nintendo plans on only doing an upres for Prime 2 and Prime 3 then they should've just released all three as an upres'd trilogy for $60. It's a terrible idea to set peoples expectations with the Prime 1 remaster and then do a rush job on the follow up.
This lol, its why i still hope belmont was right
 
Seriously if nintendo plans on only doing an upres for Prime 2 and Prime 3 then they should've just released all three as an upres'd trilogy for $60. It's a terrible idea to set peoples expectations with the Prime 1 remaster and then do a rush job on the follow up.

I wanted this trilogy to come back in HD for a long time so I'll take what I can get. Would be cool to have a Metroid Prime Bundle of 2 & 3 (like they are doing with Pikmin). Of course I would PREFER a full remake like the original but again, this is definitely better then leaving them on old systems left for dead.
 
with the amount of heat that grubb constantly gets and has gotten with the Metroid Prime stuff i genuinely don't know why he even said anything about "something zelda happening in 2023". he's just gunna draw so much ire if it doesn't happen which tbh is likely.
 
with the amount of heat that grubb constantly gets and has gotten with the Metroid Prime stuff i genuinely don't know why he even said anything about "something zelda happening in 2023". he's just gunna draw so much ire if it doesn't happen which tbh is likely.
Nobody is forcing him to say anything…
 
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Seriously if nintendo plans on only doing an upres for Prime 2 and Prime 3 then they should've just released all three as an upres'd trilogy for $60. It's a terrible idea to set peoples expectations with the Prime 1 remaster and then do a rush job on the follow up.

Agreed. Prime Remastered has set the standard of what Prime 4 could end up looking like, so it would only help if both Prime 2 and 3 filled that void, plus give those who have never played the trilogy a proper introduction.

Arguably, Prime 2 is the best game of the trilogy, even though my personal favorite is Prime 1. Kind of reminds me of the Godfather movies. First one is awesome, second one steps it up, and in many ways surpasses the original, and we don't talk about the third one. 😜
 
Agreed. Prime Remastered has set the standard of what Prime 4 could end up looking like, so it would only help if both Prime 2 and 3 filled that void, plus give those who have never played the trilogy a proper introduction.

Arguably, Prime 2 is the best game of the trilogy, even though my personal favorite is Prime 1. Kind of reminds me of the Godfather movies. First one is awesome, second one steps it up, and in many ways surpasses the original, and we don't talk about the third one. 😜
New fans dont believe this person, corruption is the best one.
 
Seriously if nintendo plans on only doing an upres for Prime 2 and Prime 3 then they should've just released all three as an upres'd trilogy for $60. It's a terrible idea to set peoples expectations with the Prime 1 remaster and then do a rush job on the follow up.

Nah. I'd rather have the full remaster of MP1 and HD ports of the two than just HD ports of all 3. With the first option, I get an overall better experience while the second option you are supporting is a lesser experience. I don't really give a shit if option 1 means people whine about it on the internet. Heck, they would whine about option 2 so the end is the same on that front.
 
Would be excited for this, especially remastered versions!
I am ashamed to say I've only played Metroid Prime 1 :O

PS: How do people commonly rank these 3?
General consensus is 1 > 2 > 3

1> 3 > 2 and 2 > 1 > 3 are common too (I agree with the latter)
 
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Since it's been 4 years since the remake of Link's Awakening, it's probably a game made by Grezzo, maybe a remake of ALTTP.
Imo that would be too big to fit in the already busy schedule.

Either unrelated to games like movie announcement or hd remaster / port like WW / TP
 
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If the implication was that it was both 2 and 3 bundled like Pikmin 1+2 with similar pricing that wouldn't be as bad, but Grubb's implication here is that nintendo is going full milk mode and only releasing Prime 2 next.
 
While I realize they just did it with Pikmin, I'm skeptical of them releasing that much Metroid content on top of my each other. Unless by relatively soon he means next year. I still really don't believe the whole, "2&3 will be lesser remasters" angle either. That seems to be "informed speculation" rather than anything that was even indicated when the story of what had happened with the Prime 1 and Prime 4 came out.

For Zelda, I definitely don't see them dropping WW/TP at this point. The series releases are so few and far between it makes sense to save them as releases that help Zelda continue to have an annual presence. Besides, a glow up on the next device would probably get more people to rebuy, vs just looking like the WiiU releases again. Maybe they have something like Cadence of Hyrule waiting in the wings?
 
Following the last Direct and the shadow drop trend, I feel most have an expectation of Prime 2 being a shadow drop at a potential September Direct. It works as a nice marketing piece for Prime 4 and lets people get introduced to the characters and story in the build up to Prime 4's release.
Well the other part of this is that they need to start actually marketing Prime 4.

It’s gonna be annoying if they trickle out 2 and 3 with still no mention of it
 
Echoes is at minimum in my top 3 Metroid games so I'll take it on modern hardware in any form, but obviously I'd prefer it to be like MPR.

If it is like Pikmin 1+2, then the general reaction is going to be negative no matter what imo given how high of a bar MPR set. If it does turn out 2 and 3 get minimal effort then I doubt Nintendo has remotely significant expectations for it anyway and they just want to make them readily available again.
Let's acknowledge that there is a big gap between "minimal effort" and what MPR did, which is as close to "maximal effort" as possible.

Pikmin 1+2 are essentially emulated with some AI uprezzed textures and cut scenes. MPR is the original game, ported to the Prime 4 engine, with every asset rebuilt, every scene relit, the audio remixed for 5.1 surround sound support, the animation data tweaked, and the camera movements reworked. It is an inch away from a remake.

On the spectrum between those is Echoes moved to the new engine, with scenes relit, but assets receiving a simple uprez.

Or some assets reworked to use some of the engines more advanced rendering features and the Switch's higher polygon budget.

Or simply paying a "cheaper" studio to rebuild assets to MPR's template, reusing MPR's assets where possible, and skipping some of the little bells and whistles, like the 5.1 surround sound remix.

I don't think Nintendo's expectations are very high considering their approach to MPR, and I worry that two releases in the same year of an only modestly successful franchise cheapens it, rather than giving it the sort of grand revealing that you might want. On the other hand, considering the priced MPR as a budget title, how in the heck are they going to cut the price further while just giving us the GameCube assets, without softening the blow with something like a collection?

It just feels like a weird release strategy that doesn't necessarily set up MP4 for success, kinda no matter how they slice it. But I want to play the games so I'm happy no matter what!
 
with the amount of heat that grubb constantly gets and has gotten with the Metroid Prime stuff i genuinely don't know why he even said anything about "something zelda happening in 2023". he's just gunna draw so much ire if it doesn't happen which tbh is likely.

Nah that's as super safe a prediction as it gets. It's like saying "something Mario will happen in 2023" -- like what are the odds Nintendo goes a whole six months without talking about Zelda at all? Especially when a huge new game just came out that they'll still want to be promoting into the holiday season. It could just be another amiibo and that will be 'something'.
 
I think so but it's nothing complicated. They'd just pay the actors again, that's it. I think Capcom is cheaping out, as always.
Hm, damn shame. I love all the games but especially 3 is very interesting.
 
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As far as Prime 4 goes, I think I have minimal interest in seeing the game until they have new hardware to show tbh. I want that game revealed in the best light possible. A release as "just" a late life Switch game would be somewhat disappointing, and a bit of a repeat of the mistakes made with Metroid Prime 2.
 
As far as Prime 4 goes, I think I have minimal interest in seeing the game until they have new hardware to show tbh. I want that game revealed in the best light possible. A release as "just" a late life Switch game would be somewhat disappointing, and a bit of a repeat of the mistakes made with Metroid Prime 2.

I think it’s not unreasonable to suggest the main differences between Prime 4 on Switch 2 vs Switch 1 will be the inclusion of DLSS, and Ray Tracing.

Otherwise, the core games will remain the same across the platforms.
 


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