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StarTopic Nintendo Direct Speculation |ST5| Uncharted Territory: Drake's Deception
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I don't think the Direct will be held there or anything like that - I think the Direct may be a week or a few days beforehand and then they use Nintendo Live as a Treehouse of sorts to show new games and let people play them etc... (whether that's new hardware or just regular Switch games) I imagine Gamescom will have the Partner/Mini stuff and most likely focus on Zelda/Pikmin anyway
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We will get the regular September Direct nothing before software wise. They can Twitter direct some remasters. Emily said Nintendo went all in on the remaster side but we only got advanced wars and Metroid so far. Big question for me is the new Switch which would fit perfect to launch in September/October with all the games then revealed in the September direct.
LukasManak22
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The fact they are doing Gamescom this year, they will not just show Pikmin 4 there with their Nintendo Presents live streams, they are showing new gameplay there, sort of like Treehouse. And Pikmin 4 will be already out month before that.
Everything that will be announced in June will get extended gameplay looks in August there in these streams, including new 2D Mario.
Everything that will be announced in June will get extended gameplay looks in August there in these streams, including new 2D Mario.
Rooster
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The question I have is how many original (aka non-port/remake/remaster) first-party titles does Switch still have after Pikmin?
There are some that have been strongly alleged but not confirmed to exist, there are some we know exist but haven't seen (MP4). How many do you think will actually show up on Switch? Which (if any) become cross-releases? Which will only be on the next thing?
Of course this ties directly into when you think the next thing will actually show up. But I'm just interested where people stand here.
There are some that have been strongly alleged but not confirmed to exist, there are some we know exist but haven't seen (MP4). How many do you think will actually show up on Switch? Which (if any) become cross-releases? Which will only be on the next thing?
Of course this ties directly into when you think the next thing will actually show up. But I'm just interested where people stand here.
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I really wouldn't have any set expectations if they hadn't announced they were going to be at Gamescom. But yeah, they're going to have to have something sizeable enough. TOTK and Pikmin will already be out, so I don't see them as carrying the event. Maybe I'm wrong though.
I'm thinking Prime 4 for October-ish. Draw people in with the Prime 1 remaster in February, hit em with the announcement in June to open the direct. And then maybe have a family title like DK for the holiday to close the direct.
I'm thinking Prime 4 for October-ish. Draw people in with the Prime 1 remaster in February, hit em with the announcement in June to open the direct. And then maybe have a family title like DK for the holiday to close the direct.
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When do you guys think we will get more info on Pikmin 4?
I feel like June would be too late*, while May would be perfect - but I don't see Pikmin as the type of game where you can just drop a trailer and cause a big splash, so I'm really curious about how they'll market it.
*I know they just did something similar with TOTK, but let's be honest - that's one of the most anticipated games of all time and sequel to a game that sold over 30 million, so many were ready to buy it after just the first teaser. Meanwhile Pikmin needs to somehow attract the general audience, not just the core fandom, and to do that you need a bit longer marketing cycle.
I feel like June would be too late*, while May would be perfect - but I don't see Pikmin as the type of game where you can just drop a trailer and cause a big splash, so I'm really curious about how they'll market it.
*I know they just did something similar with TOTK, but let's be honest - that's one of the most anticipated games of all time and sequel to a game that sold over 30 million, so many were ready to buy it after just the first teaser. Meanwhile Pikmin needs to somehow attract the general audience, not just the core fandom, and to do that you need a bit longer marketing cycle.
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June isn’t late. The game releases July 21st. A month before you get a trailer and a treehouse/gameplay presentation for the game. May is for TOTK.
I wouldn’t worry about sales. Pikmin 3 Deluxe is the best selling in the series. It’s a port and 1,2,3 were on GameCube and Wii U. 2 systems with extremely small user bases. This bodes well for Pikmin 4.
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I'm not really worried about sales, I just think that a game that isn't as mainstream as Zelda would need a longer marketing cycle, but I guess what you say makes sense - showcase it in a Direct followed by a Treehouse segment, then a week or two later have previews from different outlets and then finally the reviews.
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So for June-believers, when do we predict the show happens? For historical reference in the Switch era:
2017, June 6th: Pokémon Direct
——, June 13th: Nintendo Spotlight (E3)
——, June 21st: Dragon Quest XI Direct
2018, June 12th: Nintendo Direct (E3)
2019, June 5th: Pokémon SWSH Direct
——, June 11th: Nintendo Direct (E3)
2020, June 17th: Pokémon Presents
——, June 22nd: Smash Min Min Presentation
——, June 24th: Pokémon Presents: Unite
2021, June 15th: Nintendo Direct (E3)
——, June 28th: Smash Kazuya Presentation
2022, June 22nd: XBC3 Direct
——, June 28th: Partner Showcase
2020 is of course an outlier due to COVID, but even then we had smaller presentations in June. The trend is around the middle of the month, but as last year showed us, without E3 Nintendo can throw the general timeframe around as suits them.
100% agree here. We’re not getting the H2 lineup in Twitter drops like during the height of Covid. There is first-party stuff in the pipelines that needs to be shown.
2017, June 6th: Pokémon Direct
——, June 13th: Nintendo Spotlight (E3)
——, June 21st: Dragon Quest XI Direct
2018, June 12th: Nintendo Direct (E3)
2019, June 5th: Pokémon SWSH Direct
——, June 11th: Nintendo Direct (E3)
2020, June 17th: Pokémon Presents
——, June 22nd: Smash Min Min Presentation
——, June 24th: Pokémon Presents: Unite
2021, June 15th: Nintendo Direct (E3)
——, June 28th: Smash Kazuya Presentation
2022, June 22nd: XBC3 Direct
——, June 28th: Partner Showcase
2020 is of course an outlier due to COVID, but even then we had smaller presentations in June. The trend is around the middle of the month, but as last year showed us, without E3 Nintendo can throw the general timeframe around as suits them.
100% agree here. We’re not getting the H2 lineup in Twitter drops like during the height of Covid. There is first-party stuff in the pipelines that needs to be shown.
Why would Nintendo cram in Future Redeemed right before Zelda if they had an ordinary second half? I think there's three possibilities:
1) New Hardware. They're waiting till later to ramp up a short and punchy hype cycle for Switch Two this year, and they released FR to get all the Switch stuff out if the way early
2) H2 is absolutely bonkers with cool Switch games, such that there's no room for Xenoblade, but they're waiting until after Zelda to reveal that
3) H2 is light on Switch releases, just a couple of titles they will twitter drop and the Splatoon dlc, and it has classic end of system life vibes. Nintendo decided to put out FR right before Zelda when there's lots of space in H2 because they don't respect Xenoblade, Xenoblade fans, or monolith soft.
Which is it Fami? 1, 2, or 3?
1) New Hardware. They're waiting till later to ramp up a short and punchy hype cycle for Switch Two this year, and they released FR to get all the Switch stuff out if the way early
2) H2 is absolutely bonkers with cool Switch games, such that there's no room for Xenoblade, but they're waiting until after Zelda to reveal that
3) H2 is light on Switch releases, just a couple of titles they will twitter drop and the Splatoon dlc, and it has classic end of system life vibes. Nintendo decided to put out FR right before Zelda when there's lots of space in H2 because they don't respect Xenoblade, Xenoblade fans, or monolith soft.
Which is it Fami? 1, 2, or 3?
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Obviously it's #3, Nintendo has a history of disrespecting Monolith
Doing everything in it's power to not localize Xenoblade 1
Not porting X from the WiiU
Putting the 2 waifu in conservative outfits in Smash
And now dropping FR right before Zelda when it'll be completely overshadowed
Taking their time away from their own projects to assist on Zelda
Nintendo clearly wants Monolith to fail and has been actively attempting to sabotage them for almost 15 years
I'm just shit posting, clearly Nintendo thinks highly of monolith
LukasManak22
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All these dated except for 2022 were tied to E3 week. However, the Pikmin 4 Direct roughly month before launch on the week of 19th (likely exactly on June 21st) gives us a solid expectation that General Direct will come before that, since it makes better sense to promote Pikmin in General Direct, and maybe announce Pikmin 4 Direct there.
They could made it early June but that seems little too close from TotK release. So General Direct taking place either on June 14/15th, it's month after Zelda. Also the SGF is running from June 8th and the Microsoft/Starfield thing is on the Sunday 11th, and Ubisoft on the 12th. So it makes most sense to do Direct on 14/15th, promote PIkmin there and announce Pikmin 4 Direct to air the week after that. It makes a more sense to do Pikmin Direct after full General Direct, if they did Pikmin Direct before that, they would have nothing else to show, just a small reminder that the game is coming next month. Not to mention that they will not do Pikmin Direct early July or something, it will be month before launch as usual, and the same goes with General, if they do General really late June they would be already eating from a month that is just reserved for a Pikmin marketing.
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Just think about how much easier the wait for the direct will be this year with Zelda launching! Should be a breeze, unless you don’t like Zelda.
I was going to say early June, but with all the dates laid out before me I think you are right with the 14th / 15th guess. IIRC there was a PlayStation event rumored for May so they dodge that too.
I fully agree!
Which is why I think either we're getting new hardware, or a hype packed second half.
And thus, either way, we have good news to look forward to, whatever format it takes.
LukasManak22
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Yeah, but if someone really needs to nitpick they can say that "Nintendo can't decide when to do event when other companies have it too, since Directs are planned month before advance" which is true but the Pikmin 4 Direct which will come just month before release or day before is for me really the clear estimate when to expect a full Direct, so it must be before that. Early June is too close and mid June is alright.
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Why are we assuming there will be a Pikmin 4 direct? The last time Nintendo did a direct focused specifically on a single game was Smash Ultimate in 2018. Odds are Pikmin 4 will just get a youtube overview trailer and maybe a "10 minutes hand on with pikmin 4" video.
LukasManak22
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What do you mean by single game? Like Direct focused on a one single game? Just from a recent memory: Splatoon 3 Direct, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Direct, AC: New Horizons Direct, Super Mario Maker 2 Direct and so on.
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I'm tired, I just woke up, looked at a list of directs, and only looked at the category type and not the detail, ignore me.
LukasManak22
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But looking at your first post you might be onto something as someone should say that they don't do Directs for singleplayer games except for Xenoblade (due it's combat system) which is somewhat true but they did Bayonetta 2 Direct in Wii U era or these Dragon Quest Japan only Directs. Pikmin 3 actually had a Direct too, altough that was more like let's play/interview thing. I think Miyamoto will do everything he could to promote this game, and they know Direct branding sells the game. I can imagine them just Miyamoto playing the game like Aonuma did with TotK and calling that a Direct, with that being it longer and more detailed.
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Emily is Emily Rogers right? Where and when did she say this?
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On this very site, altough the quote itself is redacted already per request.
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It doesn’t necessarily have to be a Direct as we generally talk about them but I do expect a Pikmin 4 digital event of some sort in June, even if just some Treehouse segments or a standalone presentation of new mechanics etc.
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Ultimately my point was they didn't do direct this year for any of their big games iirc, all they got were like extensive overview trailers that basically felt like a broken up direct (see Fire Emblem Engage, Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxe, and Advance Wars 1+2 Reboot Camp) or the TotK hands on with Aonuma.
LukasManak22
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I mean all these would likely not a Direct either way. Does not fit with Zelda marketing, Kirby was a re-release that was justified with trailer and overview and Advance Wars was already detailed extensively and massively delayed.
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Nintendo not having revealed the second half titles doesn't mean it's going to be crazy full. There's obviously going to be something, but in the last 2 years the release slate actually slowed down, in terms of the number of releases, during the second half of the year.
You're probably looking at 4 to 6 games, including Pikmin 4, for July through December.
You're probably looking at 4 to 6 games, including Pikmin 4, for July through December.
LukasManak22
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Either what happens, by the time there is shareholders meeting (Late June/very early July) there will be something else announced already. It's the one thing to do earnings this week with only Pikmin 4 and Prime 4 on your schedule, however the TotK release in few days makes it somewhat fine because it prints very big money.
But your shareholders asking you late June why you only have 2 games on your schedule with seemingly dodging questions about hardware would be somehwat embarassing. By late June their H2 lineup will be more detailed, just because of shareholders meeting.
But your shareholders asking you late June why you only have 2 games on your schedule with seemingly dodging questions about hardware would be somehwat embarassing. By late June their H2 lineup will be more detailed, just because of shareholders meeting.
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Famiboards insider MisterSpo confirms 3 to 5 Donkey Kong games for H2 2023.
LukasManak22
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And the EPD4 reward, also known as "most active EPD team in a year award":
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EPD10, for delivering both Pikmin 4 and 2D Mario just 4 months from each other.
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EPD10, for delivering both Pikmin 4 and 2D Mario just 4 months from each other.
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Yeah I don’t think it’s going to be crazy full, but it will be full. Also, I think it’s more about what will be there and there will probably be more remasters. Counting down the end of this gen I see more of those Gamecube remasters and others coming.
That’s not to say there won’t be new games like a 2D Mario, DK, Mario Party, smaller stuff.
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LukasManak22
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When you realise this will be another Direct without EPD Tokyo.
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At this point, if there’s a Star Fox game coming I’m inclined to believe it will be a cross gen game.
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A Star Fox Zero remaster could very well still be just a Switch exclusive imo, provided it comes out within this (fiscal) year. If it's a new game that comes out later then yes i could definitely see it being a cross gen game.
LukasManak22
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Please don't port Star Fox Zero, and am saying that as someone who...just look at my avatar.
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Nintendo is not porting a game no one wants, I hope lol. Star Fox Zero is everything wrong with Nintendo when they decided to give the thumbs up on that game.
The series has life in it unlike a F-Zero, which makes sense we’re getting only a remake/remaster of GX.
The series has life in it unlike a F-Zero, which makes sense we’re getting only a remake/remaster of GX.
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Huh, Is it that bad?
I wouldn't know, i never played Star Fox Zero before and i dont really keep up with Star Fox as a franchise, i just singled out the most recent SF game for a port/remaster.
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Why make H1 so packed then?
What would the strategy be behind bunching up lots of games and experiences two weeks apart in the spring, but then dropping down to one a month after?
LukasManak22
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Gives me anxiety.
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As someone who cares a lot about game availability and preservation, the eShop closure sucks of course but just focusing on the (potential) positive I really hope this so called GameCube-port-splosion is true, that was the best thing about 3D All Stars, Sunshine is still waaaay too pricey on eBay and I imagine TTYD and GX will remain the same, but an alternative is great
(Ok checking now I found a few around 60, like 55 GX 63 sunshine 70 TTYD, even an auction for an-as of now 20 dollar sunshine but will raise i bet. I was under the impression it was almost impossible to get under 70 (inb4 the new ports are $70) but I don't know I still think it's just a generation that has enough squeezing I might be looking at an optimistic set of listings. Also after Prime maybe it's 40...? Cause the idea of a Windwaker HD style release of GX or TTYD being more then what's entirely new assets...)
In terms of other games I'd wanna see with this in mind, above all else Chibi Robo that sh*t waaaay too pricey, Cubivore or Doshin would be neat, Luigi's Mansion maybe since the 3ds port will probably be pricey in a few years anyway, and uh really unlikely but I'd love to see Colleseum and Gale of Darkness, ideally as a dual pack but realistically...
also WW Prime 2 Prime 3 and TP should happen ofc
but I feel like this GCN wave has been talked about for years and all that's manifested is Sunshine tied to something else, and Prime 1 that has treatment above what everything else would realistically get
(Ok checking now I found a few around 60, like 55 GX 63 sunshine 70 TTYD, even an auction for an-as of now 20 dollar sunshine but will raise i bet. I was under the impression it was almost impossible to get under 70 (inb4 the new ports are $70) but I don't know I still think it's just a generation that has enough squeezing I might be looking at an optimistic set of listings. Also after Prime maybe it's 40...? Cause the idea of a Windwaker HD style release of GX or TTYD being more then what's entirely new assets...)
In terms of other games I'd wanna see with this in mind, above all else Chibi Robo that sh*t waaaay too pricey, Cubivore or Doshin would be neat, Luigi's Mansion maybe since the 3ds port will probably be pricey in a few years anyway, and uh really unlikely but I'd love to see Colleseum and Gale of Darkness, ideally as a dual pack but realistically...
also WW Prime 2 Prime 3 and TP should happen ofc
but I feel like this GCN wave has been talked about for years and all that's manifested is Sunshine tied to something else, and Prime 1 that has treatment above what everything else would realistically get
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Partner Showcases can be cool, you know
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Johna X
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How did this do so bad despite both series growing since then (tbf idk SMT5 sales maybe I'm associating Persona too much)eeeeeh...
Just kidding... kinda.
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SMT5 is (I think) the best-selling entry in the franchise, so yeah, both franchises are at an all-time high. The problem is that TMS is really, really far from what most fans of both franchises expected or wanted from an SMTxFE crossover, so those people just ignored it entirely.
The sad part is, the game is not bad at all, but this is one rare case where the game would have probably done better without the baggage of belonging to already known IPs.
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There's a market for SMT/Persona
There's a market for Fire Emblem
A game about idols of all things with Fire Emblem/SMT window dressing, however, not so much
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I loved that game. There will always be dozens of us.eeeeeh...
Just kidding... kinda.
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