It’s really weird, I’ve seen most of them on Twitter starting shit with X fans for no reason. If you have to state that they would need to retcon multiple things in Saga to make it fit you are basically rewriting games that are 20 years old, but apparently X can be retconned according to them.
Yep. The lore is the lore and cannot be changed. Unless it’s Alvis having a core crystal. Or Klaus’s space station being attached to the beanstalk. Or Klaus and Galea’s conversation.
Admittedly things do get weird when it comes to Mira, because it would seem that something else still has to happen to the planet before it truly becomes Mira (it has to be sucked back into a pocket dimension or whatever, and somehow other worlds appear to be a part of the planet as well), but it’s expected that we can’t possibly have all the answers at this point.
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I just level down to 50 and overkilled with a chain attack on the level 60 super boss a few times to get to level 99
Lower your level to a level where you’re comfortable taking on the level 60 super boss (even level 60 will net a good chunk of experience) and eat for the food buff which gives you a bonus for chain-killing enemies. You’ll get the bonus for killing his minions as they spawn through the fight, and make sure you kill the boss in a chain attack and overkill it as much as possible to rack up your bonus experience. Do that a few times and you’ll be able to take on the rest of the super bosses at any level you like.
In general I think people need to cool it on the "Klaus trilogy Earth was the same as one of the other Xeno Earths" stuff because I don't think the game presents an especially compelling case for any of them. There are significant contradictions with all of them, and the game did not try particularly hard to harmonize them.
Some of Professor B's (notably, a time traveler) dialog seems to go pretty hard against the idea that Mira or any other world with Nopon was ever directly a part of the Xenoblade X universe.
In what way? I never did get around to doing all the quests in XCX, so I may have missed that or just don’t remember it since it’s been so long, but is there really anything that would conflict with my proposed theory—that Mira is the reformed “Earth” from XC3 that, through currently unknown circumstances, ended up back in a pocket dimension of sorts and surviving a universal reset à la Eternal Recurrence, thereby being able to exist alongside another version of Earth with a similar but different history?
Like, there’s not really any other way you can read that. It’s not like he’s ignoring XCX here, as it’s mentioned elsewhere in the interview, and at the time of publication there were only three released Xenoblade games (XC/XC:DE, XCX, and XC2) so it would make no sense for him to say that and then make the distinction that XC and XC2 appear more closely connected if that wasn’t supposed to be contrasted to at least one other game in the series (of which there is only XCX). He’s absolutely saying that XCX is part of the same larger Xenoblade story, though it is, at the time, more distantly connected compared to the other games.Xenoblade Chronicles interview: talking ten years of Xenoblade and Definitive Edition
Xenoblade Chronicles is ten today - so let's chat to some of the minds behind it.Tetsuya Takahashi said:
It's been a hot minute since I played X. What were the parts where they contested it?
I think its pretty understandable, even if its sad to see. Both Saga and X have spent quite a bit of time out of the limelight and in mainline blade's shadow. So when there is suddenly evidence that they are connected to mainline blade, it makes sense that the remaining diehard fans of each series would get pretty emotional and excited.
The side content as a whole makes it fairly clear that, while Mira has drawn in various things from the X universe, the planet itself and the "natives" aren't known outside of it, even to highly advanced observers with access to time travel who are portrayed as having fairly complete knowledge of the universe. The implication is clear that Mira has never been part of the X universe, only ever adjacent to it.
I mean, Yuriev is actually canonically semi immortal (via body surfing), the problem is that the event that allowed him to do that shouldn't have happened yet. That said, certain characters inexplicably reincarnate in Xenosaga, so it's in theory possible to address the inconsistency without moving around the timeline at all.
But that doesn’t conflict with my theory at all, because Mira and its natives wouldn’t have been from the current version of the universe, but rather a prior one before it was reset. You get what I mean? Nopon—and Mira itself, if Mira ends up being the reformed “Earth” from XC3—wouldn’t have ever existed in the most recent version of the universe if Klaus’s experiment had never happened, which seems to be the case with XCX Earth.
Yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree about this lol. The way I see it is just like in real life not every question in fiction will have a definitive answer. The entire Xenoblade series (and really every Xeno game) is rife with things that don't make sense or strain credibility.
I agee with your interpretation here; I think all those references to past Xeno games was just a farewell of sorts to games that never quite achieved the vision he had for them.
Personally I think so, Xenogears and Xenosaga were cut short due to executive meddling. XCX on the otherhand was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and the series has since moved on. Sure, we might see elements and possibly characters cribbed from it for future titles, but it'll remain as the strange second entry à la The Adventure of Link and Final Fantasy II.
When the party sees the giant mech enemy that acts as the chapter 10 boss, Tatsu says "it's bigger than Frontier Village of legend."
It would only work if Earth never left the pocket dimension, which seems pretty directly contradicted by the ending scene. Otherwise, Professor B probably would have known about it.
It's fairly ambiguous. The Nopon reference a "legendary Frontier Village", have a weapon in a sidequest that is a Nopon replica of the Zanza Monado, and, most notably, Tatsu identifies humans as "Hom Homs" out of nowhere in a way the game really calls attention to in one of the ending cutscenes. It's suggested that there's at least some Bionis influence in the Nopon of Mira, but where that came from and if it's just supposed to be a reference or not is left very ambiguous. What does seem clear is that this influence didn't come from the X universe.
Huh? No, it works as long as XC3 reformed “Earth”—which eventually becomes Mira though unknown circumstances—doesn’t leave its pocket dimension after the universal reset. Because then its past history in the previous version of the universe should be completely unknown to anyone in the new version of the universe, as is also the case with the Samaarians—who would be the humans that left the previous Earth before Klaus’s experiment and presumably found a way into the next iteration of the universe, explaining how they were there at the dawn the the universe and why they are considered to be humanity’s ancestors. Obviously we don’t have all the answers to how exactly everything would play out, but this would explain pretty much everything and ties in XCX without the need for any retcons, and it incorporates elements from Xenosaga—namely Eternal Recurrence—to give significance to both the Xenosaga references and the XCX references at the end of Future Redeemed.
That last screenshot out of context is pretty funny
That's the problem. We see it leave the pocket dimension in the end of FR, with something highly likely to be related to the humans who left approaching it. Contact with the other humans is inevitable if they're doing anything even slightly resembling Xenosaga, since Lost Jerusalem was supposed to be the key to breaking the cycle, at which point you have to ask, why wouldn't there be any Nopon among the Samaarians.
To be clear, I’m not saying that the planet that would become Mira has to still be in a pocket dimension after XC3, I’m saying that, if it isn’t still in a pocket dimension at the end of XC3 (which seems to be implied to be the case, though it’s vague enough that it’s not impossible for it to be interpreted other ways), it just has to find itself in a similar position again through unknown circumstances—perhaps the same circumstances that lead to the planet becoming Mira as we know it in the first place, including the other worlds that seem to be mashed into it. Of course I couldn’t tell you exactly what those circumstances would be, but surely it would be explained in a future game somehow if this theory were to be true.
It just all works out so well! It also explains how Mira is the Samaarian’s original home world.Shit I forgot about them. Yet another potential connection
No, but it's probably not that specifically. Elma landed on modern day Earth, not post-Aionios Earth.Is it known what is happening in the last scene? The first thing that came to my mind was Elma landing on planet Earth
I think parts of this could play out, but I think the lack of Nopon with the Samaarians and the population of Mira being nearly exclusively Nopon strongly suggests that they're from different origins, especially because the ending of Xenosaga strongly implied that any solution to avoid Eternal Recurrence would strongly involve Earth. In my view, it's actually more likely that the Samaarians are from Xenosaga without any crossover with Xenoblade.
Xenosaga was originally supposed to be an anthology series that got right up to where it was supposed to switch perspectives, so any hypothetical attempt at a continuation would actually be pretty standalone by design.
Yeah, I just looked up the ending cutscene to double check, and I think you're interpreting what Lin said too literally. Pretty sure she's just talking about reuniting with humans from other Arks.
It probably wouldn't be literally the same Aionios, but some space constructed similarly. There definitely are some parallels in the design.
I agree.
I get what you’re saying but it doesn’t change the fact that this game doesn’t answer key questions and is inconsistent with previous games.
If the history of Xenoblade releases have taught me anything it’s that nobody, not one person, will guess the direction of the next game. No speculation or theorycrafting or apparent hints from previous games will ever be anywhere close. Encyclopaedic knowledge of previous games has never helped anyone get close to predicting where the series will go.
