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Discussion What was the original source of the 2D Donkey Kong rumor?

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Codacious said:
Crash/DK crossover when
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Already exists.

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The mentions of this project being conceptualised as an expansive 3D game, Pauline making an appearance and N. Sane Trilogy in particular being the resource sink that led to the project's cancellation are things i've seen thrown around on the DK Vine forum (by regular posters, not Hyle). Specifically on the Miyamoto input, one poster claims Miyamoto wasn't fond of DK vine (rail) grinding with his bare feet and suggested banana peel shoes to slip on for this mechanic. I'm not throwing any weight behind those claims personally; can't debunk them but I wouldn't treat them as guaranteed truths.

Here are the few things I would say with certainty about the VV DK project though, supposing it were real of course:
  • We're looking at a timeframe of 2015-2017, target platform was always NX.
  • Resource reallocation was the reason for the project being shelved by Activision and subsequently "absorbed" by Nintendo. Activision prioritised their staff working on their own titles; but that title was not N. Sane Trilogy, but Destiny 2.
I don't think it would've been particularly far into production when it was supposedly shelved; and I don't believe the supposed EPD DK project would resemble this itteration in many ways, if at all. At best maybe some ideas and concepts have been recycled (ala Star Fox 2 and Star Fox 64).
 
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Christo750 said:
Activision pulled the plug on a collaboration with Nintendo for Donkey Kong that had smooth development AND Miyamoto approval, to...resuscitate Crash Bandicoot?

no disrespect but idk about that.
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It was a mutual decision to end development. Nintendo wanted to bring DK in-house; Activision wanted to prioritize their own IP. It's unknown how many ideas from this cancelled game will carry over, if any, but Nintendo was enthusiastic about it and it was very much a 3D game.
 
Professor Chops said:
It was a mutual decision to end development. Nintendo wanted to bring DK in-house; Activision wanted to prioritize their own IP. It's unknown how many ideas from this cancelled game will carry over, if any, but Nintendo was enthusiastic about it and it was very much a 3D game.
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If it was a mutual decision, that does help this rumor's legitimacy. And this isn't the only rumor that has Nintendo wanting to bring DK in-house.
 
Thank you for sharing all of that! @Professor Chops

It lines-up exactly what we talked about on Fami boards weeks ago, so it’s excellent hearing even more in-depth info.

I highly recommend you’d share some of your findings on DK Vine forum. People there would find it all very fascinating as well.

Here’s hoping 2023 will finally have the new EPD DK game, and one day we will see and hear from the devs who worked on the canned DK game as well.
 
Professor Chops said:
Greetings, Famiboards. I hope everybody is having a nice week!

The reason Donkey Kong has been on hiatus for so long isn't because Nintendo doesn't know what to do with DK; on the contrary, DK's big comeback game has been in development since at least 2016. Vicarious Visions, the developers of the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, were working on an open world 3D DK game following the release of Skylanders: SuperChargers. Miyamoto was contributing design ideas and loved what he saw, but for various reasons, the project was shelved and development shifted over to EPD Tokyo in 2018, sometime after the release of Super Mario Odyssey.

Now, this is where the confusion stems from. Everybody assumes that this new Donkey Kong game is going to be a 2D platformer—and it very well could be—due to job listings and because they refuse to entertain the thought of Nintendo investing the resources into an ambitious DK game when they could just make a new 3D Mario instead. However, the game that was in development prior to the shift was most definitely NOT 2D. Other than a few minor details, such as Pauline being a playable character, this is all I know about the cancelled DK project.

This is speculation on my part, but I think the real reason why we haven't seen this new game yet is because Nintendo is going to surprise the world by announcing the first 3D Donkey Kong game since 1999. I believe it's going to be a launch title for their next system and serve as the big ape's Breath of the Wild moment—a complete rethinking of the franchise and its conventions. Behind the scenes, Miyamoto has been championing for a major DK brand revitalization, hence the theme park expansion and rumored spin-off film. He wants DK to be an A-tier franchise again, and he was reportedly behind the push to bring the franchise "home" and develop it internally. Now, you're free to disregard my post as wishful thinking and accuse me of peddling "fake news" or whatever, but this cancelled DK game has been common knowledge in certain circles for years. I am not revealing anything new, other than questioning why they would cancel an ambitious 3D game that everybody at EPD loved—including Miyamoto himself!—and make a 2D platformer instead. However, no matter what genre this new game is, I am confident that Nintendo has DK’s best interests at heart and it won't be much longer before we hear about it.

Zippo is full of shit, by the way. He lies constantly and piggybacks off other insiders. Don't believe a word he says about DK or anything else. EPD is more secure than the Pentagon. The only reason we know about this game is because of western sources who were involved in the cancelled Vicarious Visions project.
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I don't believe this, but I do. Does that make sense?
 
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Professor Chops said:
Greetings, Famiboards. I hope everybody is having a nice week!

The reason Donkey Kong has been on hiatus for so long isn't because Nintendo doesn't know what to do with DK; on the contrary, DK's big comeback game has been in development since at least 2016. Vicarious Visions, the developers of the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, were working on an open world 3D DK game following the release of Skylanders: SuperChargers. Miyamoto was contributing design ideas and loved what he saw, but for various reasons, the project was shelved and development shifted over to EPD Tokyo in 2018, sometime after the release of Super Mario Odyssey.

Now, this is where the confusion stems from. Everybody assumes that this new Donkey Kong game is going to be a 2D platformer—and it very well could be—due to job listings and because they refuse to entertain the thought of Nintendo investing the resources into an ambitious DK game when they could just make a new 3D Mario instead. However, the game that was in development prior to the shift was most definitely NOT 2D. Other than a few minor details, such as Pauline being a playable character, this is all I know about the cancelled DK project.

This is speculation on my part, but I think the real reason why we haven't seen this new game yet is because Nintendo is going to surprise the world by announcing the first 3D Donkey Kong game since 1999. I believe it's going to be a launch title for their next system and serve as the big ape's Breath of the Wild moment—a complete rethinking of the franchise and its conventions. Behind the scenes, Miyamoto has been championing for a major DK brand revitalization, hence the theme park expansion and rumored spin-off film. He wants DK to be an A-tier franchise again, and he was reportedly behind the push to bring the franchise "home" and develop it internally. Now, you're free to disregard my post as wishful thinking and accuse me of peddling "fake news" or whatever, but this cancelled DK game has been common knowledge in certain circles for years. I am not revealing anything new, other than questioning why they would cancel an ambitious 3D game that everybody at EPD loved—including Miyamoto himself!—and make a 2D platformer instead. However, no matter what genre this new game is, I am confident that Nintendo has DK’s best interests at heart and it won't be much longer before we hear about it.

Zippo is full of shit, by the way. He lies constantly and piggybacks off other insiders. Don't believe a word he says about DK or anything else. EPD is more secure than the Pentagon. The only reason we know about this game is because of western sources who were involved in the cancelled Vicarious Visions project.
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Yeah, none of that makes any sense, lol.

Activision would never allow any of their devs to work on Donkey Kong.

Nintendo would never make a 3D Donkey Kong if that caused Mario to go a decade without a new entry.

A new 3D Donkey Kong means the next 3D Mario isn't until 2028.

Nintendo making a new Donkey Kong game their main launch title while the Switch 2 doesn't get a new Zelda OR Mario until 2028 sounds like one horrible idea.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Yeah, none of that makes any sense, lol.

Activision would never allow any of their devs to work on Donkey Kong.

Nintendo would never make a 3D Donkey Kong if that caused Mario to go a decade without a new entry.

A new 3D Donkey Kong means the next 3D Mario isn't until 2028.
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Why would the latter be true? You make these statements as if Nintendo can’t make more than 1 game at a time, or that them prioritizing one game means the other isn’t prioritized at all.
 
Trevelyan said:
Why would the latter be true? You make these statements as if Nintendo can’t make more than 1 game at a time, or that them prioritizing one game means the other isn’t prioritized at all.
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Nintendo has a ton of two studios with experience making 3D platformers, one of them is HAL who almost always make Kirby. The other studio is EPD Tokyo.

Who is going to be making the two different 3D platformers.

EPD10 and Retro are the only other devs Nintendo has that have platforming experience. Retro is focused on Prime 4, EPD8 is making a 2D platformer.

Good-Feel and Vanpool are two Nintendo associated devs who make platformers, but neither would ever be trusted to make a new Mario game.
 
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The very big issue with projecting any dev to make a 3D platformer is that all the 3D platformer devs are dead or moved on except EPD Tokyo, HAL, and Sonic Team.

HAL took 26 years to make a 3D platformer as well, lol.
 
Some details seem hard to believe.
Though I'll say VV pre-producing a DK game after their DK and Bowser collab in Skylanders do make sense to me.

I don't believe it was far into production, nor that it was an "ambitious" game, nor that development was shifted toward EPD.

I do believe that EPD is making a DK game, but it would be a whole another project.

Honestly, a DK game in-house just makes sense. They ain't creating a whole theme park zone based on DK Country with no game on the horizon. I think rumors about that game are mostly exagerated if not just lucky guesses. Doesn't give me much confidence when the likes of Emily straight up never heard anything about it and then you have some low-tier insiders telling you it's a "very well known project among insiders"

It'll happen anyway, DK still is a very popular IP, and it's popular internally. Just look at Splatoon and how they make parody of the Donkey Kong Country box art within the game's universe.
 
Lol an open world 3D DK title made with new Switch HW rumoured specs in mind can visually be one of the best looking cartoon titles besides latest Ratchet and Clank PS5 game lol.

Don’t think it will happen.

But internet will meltdown basically if it happens.
 
Don’t think it matters too much if a company has experience in making ‘x’ type of game or not. Retro didn’t have any experience with 2D platformers either and they made two of the best in the genre. Playground Games now trying their first non-racing game with Fable; Guerilla Games found success with Horizon which is far different than their FPS history with Kill Zone.

My point being is you don’t know what a studio is capable of doing unless it’s given the opportunity to diversify its catalog with something different.
 
Rareware said:
Don’t think it matters too much if a company has experience in making ‘x’ type of game or not. Retro didn’t have any experience with 2D platformers either and they made two of the best in the genre. Playground Games now trying their first non-racing game with Fable; Guerilla Games found success with Horizon which is far different than their FPS history with Kill Zone.

My point being is you don’t know what a studio is capable of doing unless it’s given the opportunity to diversify its catalog with something different.
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"This is going to be Donkey Kong's Breath of the Wild and also the dev has never made a platformer before" do not go together well.

What Nintendo studio could make this.

Let's rule out Retro (Prime 4), Next Level (Mario Strikers), EPD3 (TotK), EPD10 (new 2D platformer), EP8 (next 3D Mario), EPD4 (casual games), EPD5 (Splatoon 3), Game Freak (Pokemon), HAL (Kirby), Intelligent Systems (Fire Emblem and Paper Mario), EPD9 (Mario Kart), and Monolith Soft (Xenoblade 3)

... That's basically all of Nintendo's devs other than NST.

What non-Nintendo studio could make this.
 
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Note that if this is some smaller game or a 2D game, I could see Nintendo EPD being able to dedicate a small staff to making a new game or giving it to NST or outsourcing it.

But I cannot think of a single dev inside or outside Nintendo that could be making a AAA 3D Donkey Kong game currently. None whatsoever.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
"This is going to be Donkey Kong's Breath of the Wild and also the dev has never made a platformer before" do not go together well.

What Nintendo studio could make this.

Let's rule out Retro (Prime 4), Next Level (Mario Strikers), EPD3 (TotK), EPD10 (new 2D platformer), EP8 (next 3D Mario), EPD4 (casual games), EPD5 (Splatoon 3), Game Freak (Pokemon), HAL (Kirby), Intelligent Systems (Fire Emblem and Paper Mario), EPD9 (Mario Kart), and Monolith Soft (Xenoblade 3)

... That's basically all of Nintendo's devs other than NST.

What non-Nintendo studio could make this.
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I just mean that any of those studios could have the potential to make it if given the opportunity to do so. Whether they have the current resources to do it because they already have another game (or games) in production is another thing entirely.
 
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Professor Chops said:
Greetings, Famiboards. I hope everybody is having a nice week!

The reason Donkey Kong has been on hiatus for so long isn't because Nintendo doesn't know what to do with DK; on the contrary, DK's big comeback game has been in development since at least 2016. Vicarious Visions, the developers of the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, were working on an open world 3D DK game following the release of Skylanders: SuperChargers. Miyamoto was contributing design ideas and loved what he saw, but for various reasons, the project was shelved and development shifted over to EPD Tokyo in 2018, sometime after the release of Super Mario Odyssey.

Now, this is where the confusion stems from. Everybody assumes that this new Donkey Kong game is going to be a 2D platformer—and it very well could be—due to job listings and because they refuse to entertain the thought of Nintendo investing the resources into an ambitious DK game when they could just make a new 3D Mario instead. However, the game that was in development prior to the shift was most definitely NOT 2D. Other than a few minor details, such as Pauline being a playable character, this is all I know about the cancelled DK project.

This is speculation on my part, but I think the real reason why we haven't seen this new game yet is because Nintendo is going to surprise the world by announcing the first 3D Donkey Kong game since 1999. I believe it's going to be a launch title for their next system and serve as the big ape's Breath of the Wild moment—a complete rethinking of the franchise and its conventions. Behind the scenes, Miyamoto has been championing for a major DK brand revitalization, hence the theme park expansion and rumored spin-off film. He wants DK to be an A-tier franchise again, and he was reportedly behind the push to bring the franchise "home" and develop it internally. Now, you're free to disregard my post as wishful thinking and accuse me of peddling "fake news" or whatever, but this cancelled DK game has been common knowledge in certain circles for years. I am not revealing anything new, other than questioning why they would cancel an ambitious 3D game that everybody at EPD loved—including Miyamoto himself!—and make a 2D platformer instead. However, no matter what genre this new game is, I am confident that Nintendo has DK’s best interests at heart and it won't be much longer before we hear about it.

Zippo is full of shit, by the way. He lies constantly and piggybacks off other insiders. Don't believe a word he says about DK or anything else. EPD is more secure than the Pentagon. The only reason we know about this game is because of western sources who were involved in the cancelled Vicarious Visions project.
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Thank you for the insight!!

I honestly still think the EPD Tokyo Donkey Kong game will be a 2.5D game. I believe the ideas of the project that started development at Vicarious will have some reworking and maybe the game takes some clues from Crash, but I don't see any way this game would be an open world kind of thing.

I think Donkey Kong can have its "BotW moment" by having an all new entry that introduces new concepts while not being some weird gimmick game, and a game by EPD Tokyo after all they delivered is just that. Marketing that well + Switch boost can make it go past 10M.

Making a 3D DK that isn't a small scale one(like Bowser's Fury made by NST or Captain Toad by EPD), as in either a sandbox platformer like Odyssey or a game with 100 levels like 3D World, let alone a full open world, on the Switch era, would mean, easily, a 4 or 5 years development cycle. And unlike a 2D game with extended development time done alongside 3D Mario, they wouldn't be able to make 2 AAA 3D games at the same time, they don't have enough staff for that.

My guess is the DK game was mostly in pre-production until the hiring calls, and the 3D Mario was on pre-production as well until 2019 with the hiring calls. Pandemic + AAA development + making two games at the same time will make both come by 2024, DK with 3.5 years of full development and Mario with 5.

Also I don't think anyone will be disappointed by another Donkey Kong Country entry made by EPD Tokyo with some crazy ideas, bigger than ever and looking better than ever. I see that going past 10M easily.
 
VV working on a DK game isn't that far fetched.. they worked closely with Nintendo with Skylanders (in fact, they pitched the whole toys to life thing to Nintendo first and foremost); But I REALLY really hope that what EPD is cooking is not a 3D game... I want a traditional DKC game, dammit.. a 2D game can be as ambitious and gather just as much marketing push.

and please, be on Switch, not on a far off successor (which I'm not financially prepared to buy so soon)
 
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CyberWolfJV said:
VV working on a DK game isn't that far fetched.. they worked closely with Nintendo with Skylanders (in fact, they pitched the whole toys to life thing to Nintendo first and foremost); But I REALLY really hope that what EPD is cooking is not a 3D game... I want a traditional DKC game, dammit.. a 2D game game can be as ambitious and gather just as much marketing push.

and please, be on Switch, not on a far off successor (which I'm not financially prepared to buy so soon)
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On the bright side, there's a real chance most Switch 2 titles will be crossgen.
 
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Professor Chops said:
Greetings, Famiboards. I hope everybody is having a nice week!

The reason Donkey Kong has been on hiatus for so long isn't because Nintendo doesn't know what to do with DK; on the contrary, DK's big comeback game has been in development since at least 2016. Vicarious Visions, the developers of the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, were working on an open world 3D DK game following the release of Skylanders: SuperChargers. Miyamoto was contributing design ideas and loved what he saw, but for various reasons, the project was shelved and development shifted over to EPD Tokyo in 2018, sometime after the release of Super Mario Odyssey.

Now, this is where the confusion stems from. Everybody assumes that this new Donkey Kong game is going to be a 2D platformer—and it very well could be—due to job listings and because they refuse to entertain the thought of Nintendo investing the resources into an ambitious DK game when they could just make a new 3D Mario instead. However, the game that was in development prior to the shift was most definitely NOT 2D. Other than a few minor details, such as Pauline being a playable character, this is all I know about the cancelled DK project.

This is speculation on my part, but I think the real reason why we haven't seen this new game yet is because Nintendo is going to surprise the world by announcing the first 3D Donkey Kong game since 1999. I believe it's going to be a launch title for their next system and serve as the big ape's Breath of the Wild moment—a complete rethinking of the franchise and its conventions. Behind the scenes, Miyamoto has been championing for a major DK brand revitalization, hence the theme park expansion and rumored spin-off film. He wants DK to be an A-tier franchise again, and he was reportedly behind the push to bring the franchise "home" and develop it internally. Now, you're free to disregard my post as wishful thinking and accuse me of peddling "fake news" or whatever, but this cancelled DK game has been common knowledge in certain circles for years. I am not revealing anything new, other than questioning why they would cancel an ambitious 3D game that everybody at EPD loved—including Miyamoto himself!—and make a 2D platformer instead. However, no matter what genre this new game is, I am confident that Nintendo has DK’s best interests at heart and it won't be much longer before we hear about it.

Zippo is full of shit, by the way. He lies constantly and piggybacks off other insiders. Don't believe a word he says about DK or anything else. EPD is more secure than the Pentagon. The only reason we know about this game is because of western sources who were involved in the cancelled Vicarious Visions project.
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Do you know anything else about the next game like if it'll come out soon or what characters that they're going to use for it?
 
KremlingLady1 said:
Do you know anything else about the next game like if it'll come out soon or what characters that they're going to use for it?
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No. To reiterate, all I know is that Vicarious Vicarious was working on an open-world 3D Donkey Kong game before development shifted over to EPD Tokyo. I don't know what form this new game will take, and anybody who claims to know otherwise—like Zippo—is probably lying. It could be 3D, it could be 2D; it may not even be a platformer! What's important is that, thanks to Miyamoto and the younger staff at EPD who grew up playing the Super Donkey Kong games, Nintendo is taking DK seriously again—if that wasn't obvious enough based on their theme park/film plans.
 
Professor Chops said:
No. To reiterate, all I know is that Vicarious Vicarious was working on an open-world 3D Donkey Kong game before development shifted over to EPD Tokyo. I don't know what form this new game will take, and anybody who claims to know otherwise—like Zippo—is probably lying. It could be 3D, it could be 2D; it may not even be a platformer! What's important is that, thanks to Miyamoto and the younger staff at EPD who grew up playing the Super Donkey Kong games, Nintendo is taking DK seriously again—if that wasn't obvious enough based on their theme park/film plans.
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Yes that part was obvious with the theme park and the Donkey Kong characters being in the Mario movie. Also according to Seth Rogen there's going to be a Donkey Kong movie or so I've heard. I was just trying to find out all I possibly can because I'm a fan of the series and it has been forever since we've had a new game. I'm also on Twitter too by the same username. But if you find out even more please contact me.
 
MaitreWakou said:
Some details seem hard to believe.
Though I'll say VV pre-producing a DK game after their DK and Bowser collab in Skylanders do make sense to me.

I don't believe it was far into production, nor that it was an "ambitious" game, nor that development was shifted toward EPD.

I do believe that EPD is making a DK game, but it would be a whole another project.

Honestly, a DK game in-house just makes sense. They ain't creating a whole theme park zone based on DK Country with no game on the horizon. I think rumors about that game are mostly exagerated if not just lucky guesses. Doesn't give me much confidence when the likes of Emily straight up never heard anything about it and then you have some low-tier insiders telling you it's a "very well known project among insiders"

It'll happen anyway, DK still is a very popular IP, and it's popular internally. Just look at Splatoon and how they make parody of the Donkey Kong Country box art within the game's universe.
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Also all the DKC street signs in Odyssey. I feel like some people think DKC is this series Nintendo is ashamed of even though we know that is not the case.

It's just an issue of it not having a consistent home for the last 20 years.
 
Mekanos said:
Also all the DKC street signs in Odyssey. I feel like some people think DKC is this series Nintendo is ashamed of even though we know that is not the case.

It's just an issue of it not having a consistent home for the last 20 years.
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I don't think DKC was something anyone was ever ashamed of. It's just that Nintendo devs don't like stepping on other devs shoes, or incorporating arbitrary elements from games they didn't make from long ago unless they have an idea of what to use them for.

It's like how Waluigi never shows up outside of the Mario spin-offs, and not even in Wario games. EPD and EAD never made him and they have no idea what to even do with him.

The only thing I think someone at Nintendo disliked is Kevin's Bayliss' design for DK's nose. That was the oddest redesign that flew past everyone. But it's such a deliberate change.
 
AngryAlchemist said:
What is that? His regular DKC design?
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Ever since Skylanders, DK has been given that Miyamoto esque nose to the left. But DK's original nose from Country-TF (Wii U) has been that one in the middle. It didn't really become noticeable until Tropical Freeze on Switch redesigned DK to have that Miyamoto styled nose. It's the most deliberate and random change to the character's design in years.

And Miyamoto has always been a bit off about Donkey Kong's design. He blocked DK from cameoing in Galaxy because the character didn't mesh with the Mario cast. And nevermind how insistent he was about Donkey Kong's redesign for the movie.
 
Mer.Saloon said:
He blocked DK from cameoing in Galaxy because the character didn't mesh with the Mario cast.
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I think that was more "do you REALLY need a character like Donkey Kong?". Remember that for Miyamoto, form follows function. So I can see why he was against a cameo for cameo's sake (for the same reason, he blocked Pikmin from appearing).

But your point is right. I think over the years, DK slowly morfed into a hybrid of his Rare and DK 94 designs, especially in 2D artworks from EPD.

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It’s interesting how many developments the DK EPD story has gotten over the years.

Usually we hear almost nothing from EPD Nintendo titles before official reveals. For instance, Pikmin 4 never leaked prior to the September 2022 Direct.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Pikmin 4 was announced in 2015 and had some leaks in 2020... On this very website.
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Oh wow, thank you for sharing!

Yeah I was aware of the whole 2015 EuroGamer Shigeru Miyamoto interview, but I didn’t consider that as a “leak.”
Especially since Emily Rogers said the Pikmin 4 development got rebooted in 2019.

I’ve been on Fami only since January so if there were some leaks I wasn’t aware of, I apologise.
 
PikminSnezkov said:
Oh wow, thank you for sharing!

Yeah I was aware of the whole 2015 EuroGamer Shigeru Miyamoto interview, but I didn’t consider that as a “leak.”
Especially since Emily Rogers said the Pikmin 4 development got rebooted in 2019.

I’ve been on Fami only since January so if there were some leaks I wasn’t aware of, I apologise.
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I mean, the Emily Rogers thing was the leak, lol.
 
Professor Chops said:
No. To reiterate, all I know is that Vicarious Vicarious was working on an open-world 3D Donkey Kong game before development shifted over to EPD Tokyo. I don't know what form this new game will take, and anybody who claims to know otherwise—like Zippo—is probably lying. It could be 3D, it could be 2D; it may not even be a platformer! What's important is that, thanks to Miyamoto and the younger staff at EPD who grew up playing the Super Donkey Kong games, Nintendo is taking DK seriously again—if that wasn't obvious enough based on their theme park/film plans.
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Just curious, did you hear anything about the rumors that DK would grind on vines with banana shoes?
 
Codacious said:
Just curious, did you hear anything about the rumors that DK would grind on vines with banana shoes?
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Banana peels, not banana "shoes." But yes; that was one of the many gameplay mechanics that Miyamoto gave his input on. Folks, Miyamoto loves Donkey Kong. He's the reason why Jungle Beat and Donkey Kong Country Returns were made, and he's the reason why DK is now being prioritized at EPD.
 
Professor Chops said:
Banana peels, not banana "shoes." But yes; that was one of the many gameplay mechanics that Miyamoto gave his input on. Folks, Miyamoto loves Donkey Kong. He's the reason why Jungle Beat and Donkey Kong Country Returns were made, and he's the reason why DK is now being prioritized at EPD.
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Cool. Thanks for the info, that sounded like a fun gameplay idea to me.
 
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Professor Chops said:
Banana peels, not banana "shoes." But yes; that was one of the many gameplay mechanics that Miyamoto gave his input on. Folks, Miyamoto loves Donkey Kong. He's the reason why Jungle Beat and Donkey Kong Country Returns were made, and he's the reason why DK is now being prioritized at EPD.
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Oh wow, that’s very interesting. Thank you
 
So, both Metroid Prime 4 and new DK shifted developers around same time, and both probably are going to be a Switch 2 title or cross gen with Switch, interesting.
 
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Leo said:
Okay but then who is developing 3D Mario? Do we seriously believe Nintendo doesn't have a 3D Mario in development when new hardware is right there in the horizon?
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I think DK is still presumably one of the 2D games in development whereas the 3D one is Mario.

Though if I had it my way, the 2D and 3D games would both be DK. Because 1. We need more DK games and 2. I want Mario fans to suffer because I'm evil. 😈
 
Leo said:
Okay but then who is developing 3D Mario? Do we seriously believe Nintendo doesn't have a 3D Mario in development when new hardware is right there in the horizon?
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I've been lurking on this thread. I'm a regular at DK Vine and registered on Famiboards just to share a few details that I'm privy to.

First of all, Hyle has mentioned multiple times that his sources on the EPD game mentioned that development on this EPD game began around late 2017-early 2018 so that lines up with what's being said here. The whole "Nintendo making a DK game with the Mario Odyssey team" is a misnomer. This is a NEW EPD team allegedly. Meaning this team isn't taking away from mainline Mario games and vice versa for DK. It's not a DK or Mario situation. The clickbaity articles titled, "The Mario Odyssey team is working on DK" is what's causing this confusion. TLDR; rest easy Mario fans. No one's taking away or postponing 3D Mario.

With that being said, allegedly this new team is younger EPD staff that are huge fans of DK and were excited about the opportunity to work on DK. The devs behind this game probably worked on Mario Odyssey, hence all the references to DK in that game, especially in New Donk City. Some members of the DK Vine forum corroborated that VV was working on a 3D DK game before it got cancelled, and they mentioned Pauline having a bigger role, so I'm going to believe these rumors since I've heard it from so many people.

Lastly, with DK and crew's major presence in the Mario film, a rumored spin off film, and massive theme park expansions, it's obvious that Nintendo is positioning DK to be an A-list franchise again. You don't invest hundreds of millions of dollars into a dead IP. The only thing missing is the game announcement. It's possible they're holding off the game reveal until they announce their next platform, but I'm so over speculating about the next Nintendo Switch. I've been hearing about the Switch Pro since 2018 and that turned out to be a big waste of time since nothing materialized unless you want to count the OLED. DK's next adventure will most likely be announced in the next 6-12 months imo. It's hard to be patient, but we'll have to be patient
 
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