2018 was the year TF released on Switch. I'd assume Nintendo saw the sales and decided to not go ahead with a 3rd one.What even is this? They've been working on DK for 4 years, then Nintendo takes it and now we didn't hear anything for ANOTHER 4 years?
yeah, maybe. But they were already working on this game for 3-4 years, so why don’t just finish and release it despite its sales potential? Also by then, the plans of bringing DK back must’ve been already made with the theme park etc. I really don’t get why this game got cancelled.2018 was the year TF released on Switch. I'd assume Nintendo saw the sales and decided to not go ahead with a 3rd one.
2018 was the year TF released on Switch. I'd assume Nintendo saw the sales and decided to not go ahead with a 3rd one.
Lol Nintendo saw 4 million (and still counting) and said "nah." DKCTF is also Retro's second best selling game of all time so this reasoning makes no sense.2018 was the year TF released on Switch. I'd assume Nintendo saw the sales and decided to not go ahead with a 3rd one.
If I remember correctly, they even paid direct homage to the Rare logo. I personally prefer the DKC games on SNES, it's probably a bit of nostalgia talking, but I find that they somehow have a bit more soul. But in terms of level design, Retro Studio's DKs are a total masterpiece.Yeah, I've seen a lot of people talk about how DKCR disregarded K Rool/the Kremlings, but overall I feel like the game was made with a lot of love for the original Rare trilogy.
And so am I. If this info is accurate, it also shows how Retro Studios could have disappeared, as Nintendo outright initiated the total outsourcing of the two big licenses they had been in charge of, before changing their mind about Prime 4. If this results in a fantastic MP4 and an incredible DK by EPD8, this story will really have to be told.I would've been very content continuing my life without the realization that I wanted this
If I remember correctly, they even paid direct homage to the Rare logo. I personally prefer the DKC games on SNES, it's probably a bit of nostalgia talking, but I find that they somehow have a bit more soul. But in terms of level design, Retro Studio's DKs are a total masterpiece.
I love Koizumi, he's probably the person at Nintendo that I admire the most, but I really didn't like Jungle Beat's approach. I know that he is very attached to DK and he already expressed how important this character is to Nintendo, which was very cool, so I am still curious to see what EPD Tokyo is up to.
No, I can confirm that isn’t the case.Wasn't Zippo the source?
I will say that unless someone at EPD is really into Donkey Kong, it doesn't really make sense to put a lot of resources towards.
Big EPD games should be 10-50m sellers. Pikmin 4 is the only game announced since the establishment of EPD in which
1. The game is big budget
2. The game is extremely unlikely to sell 10m (ARMS and Labo also did low numbers but were new IPs that were hard to project)
3. The game is not on mobile
And Pikmin 4 is being made because Miyamoto.
No telling what a new DK could do on the Switch, a system that has given boosts to many Ninty properties. If these upward trends are any indication, DK could easily sell 10 million or very close to it.
I'd love for us to get a new DKC, but I hope it retains the quality Retro showed off on the last two games and I hope a good amount of the game retains the difficulty too. When Nintendo proper works on their platformers, they can occasionally go too far in making the games easy. It maybe doesn't need to be Tropical Freeze hard, but something in line with at least in between the original DKC and DKC2's tough, but fair design philosophy feels like a good sweet spot.
That’s very unlikely. Too many credible people have said DK is real. Including Nate and NL own private independent source.My theory until disproven, is that this is another star fox Grand Prix.
A fake leak, fabricated to sniff out leakers.
What? No lol.I will say that unless someone at EPD is really into Donkey Kong, it doesn't really make sense to put a lot of resources towards.
Big EPD games should be 10-50m sellers. Pikmin 4 is the only game announced since the establishment of EPD in which
1. The game is big budget
2. The game is extremely unlikely to sell 10m (ARMS and Labo also did low numbers but were new IPs that were hard to project)
3. The game is not on mobile
And Pikmin 4 is being made because Miyamoto.
Lots of people said SF Grand Prix was real too.That’s very unlikely. Too many credible people have said DK is real. Including Nate and NL own private independent source.
if both EPD Kyoto (Group 10 probably) and EPD Tokyo have 2D Action Game projects in production as the job recruitment listings suggest, what would they be?Whatever, we will know soon enough what EPD Tokyo is working on. Personally doubt it's 2D Donkey Kong. But happy to eat crow.
if both EPD Kyoto (Group 10 probably) and EPD Tokyo have 2D Action Game projects in production as the job recruitment listings suggest, what would they be?
There’s plenty of reason to be skeptical about the rumor, and I was until that Tokyo 2D recruitment too; but there’s not really any good answer to the question that doesn’t come down to Mario and DK. I don’t think EPD Tokyo working on Yoshi or Wario Land are more likely scenarios, at least.
What was the exact job description? There are plenty of reasons why a 3d game would have 2d artists. There's been 2d levels in every Mario game from them since galaxy.if both EPD Kyoto (Group 10 probably) and EPD Tokyo have 2D Action Game projects in production as the job recruitment listings suggest, what would they be?
There’s plenty of reason to be skeptical about the rumor, and I was until that Tokyo 2D recruitment too; but there’s not really any good answer to the question that doesn’t come down to Mario and DK. I don’t think EPD Tokyo working on Yoshi or Wario Land are more likely scenarios, at least.
if both EPD Kyoto (Group 10 probably) and EPD Tokyo have 2D Action Game projects in production as the job recruitment listings suggest, what would they be?
There’s plenty of reason to be skeptical about the rumor, and I was until that Tokyo 2D recruitment too; but there’s not really any good answer to the question that doesn’t come down to Mario and DK. I don’t think EPD Tokyo working on Yoshi or Wario Land are more likely scenarios, at least.
Sure it's not Prime 4?Emily Rogers actually denied knowing anything about the DK game in February 21th, 2021.
However, the tweet has been deleted very recently, I’d say just few days ago.
( I don’t know how to upload pictures on Famiboards, so I’ll just quote the tweet. I have the tweet saved.)
I hope the rumors are true, but I don't have any information on Donkey Kong.
I know literally nothing about DK.
However, I've heard tons of buzz about a Metroid-related project that's far along in-development. I hope we'll get more information soon on what that's all about.
What was the exact job description? There are plenty of reasons why a 3d game would have 2d artists. There's been 2d levels in every Mario game from them since galaxy.
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Didn't he correctly predict Metroid 5 and Super Mario Party 2 would get announced in the summer direct of 2021, or were those just accurate guesses?
Yes, any game that does not sell between 10 and 50 (!) million should not exist. Bonus points for using the "Miyamoto" random card.I will say that unless someone at EPD is really into Donkey Kong, it doesn't really make sense to put a lot of resources towards.
Big EPD games should be 10-50m sellers. Pikmin 4 is the only game announced since the establishment of EPD in which
1. The game is big budget
2. The game is extremely unlikely to sell 10m (ARMS and Labo also did low numbers but were new IPs that were hard to project)
3. The game is not on mobile
And Pikmin 4 is being made because Miyamoto.
Yes, any game that does not sell between 10 and 50 (!) million should not exist. Bonus points for using the "Miyamoto" random card.
I’m just confused, are Zelda and Metroid not EPD or something?
We don't know anything about the budget that would have an hypothetical new DK game by EPD. At this point we don't know if the game even exist, who is working on it, or if EPD put more money in it than in Capitaéin Toad, for exemple, or even Jungle Beat, which at its time was kind of an experimental project. What we know is that Nintendo, as a publisher, is happy with and care about plenty of franchise that are selling much less than 10 millions (Kirby, Metroid and Metroid Prime, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Yoshi, and yes, even DK).
Thinking that everything that is not a HUGE success is not a sucess at all is an usual opinion, but it's not mine.
Exactly this. I think despite Donkey Kong not having a brand new game in a while, it’s one of the most recognisable franchises globally. Thus it’s getting the theme park expansion.Considering DK is getting a dedicated theme park, it makes sense EPD would put resources into the franchise just from that alone.
EPD supervises many games, but only develops a fraction of those.
EPD supervised: Metroid Prime 4, Metroid Dread, DKC Tropical Freeze, Bowser's Fury, Luigi's Mansion 3, Zelda remakes, etc
EPD developed: BotW, TotK, Mario Odyssey, New Horizons, RingFit Adventure, Labo, Splatoon 2 and 3, Mario Maker 2, Arms, Pikmin 4, etc
3D Zelda yes, 2D Zelda has been outsourced since, oh, Tri Force Heroes or thereabouts. I believe there was "development cooperation" between EPD 3 (the EPD Zelda team) and Grezzo for Link's Awakening, but I'm under the impression that Grezzo did most of the heavy lifting.I’m just confused, are Zelda and Metroid not EPD or something?
3D Zelda yes, 2D Zelda has been outsourced since, oh, Tri Force Heroes or thereabouts. I believe there was "development cooperation" between EPD 3 (the EPD Zelda team) and Grezzo for Link's Awakening, but I'm under the impression that Grezzo did most of the heavy lifting.
As for 3D Zeldas: Monolith Soft helped with level design and artwork on BOTW, and judging by some hiring calls seems to be taking a more expansive role for Tears of the Kingdom. Regardless, however, EPD is still involved, and I don't think that's likely to change. It's just that these sorts of games are getting bigger and bigger, and it's harder for a single development team to handle them all on their own.
EPD mostly supervises Metroid, I believe. Pretty much all of the Metroid games since Prime or so have been outsourced, either to other studios within Nintendo (e.g. Retro for the Prime series) or external developers (e.g. MercurySteam on Dread).
It's also why if this exists I highly doubt it's an Arcade throwback. It'll have recognizable elements of the DKC series, that's what people think of for DK nowadays.Exactly this. I think despite Donkey Kong not having a brand new game in a while, it’s one of the most recognisable franchises globally. Thus it’s getting the theme park expansion.
And I think their plan is to have the DK EPD game achieve those high sales too.
Oh, that's something a little different. EPD is pretty new, only dating back to around 2015 or so. Before that, Nintendo's in-house teams were divided between EAD and SPD, and the Zelda team was EAD 3. (It's one of only a couple EAD/SPD teams to have kept its original division number, for what that's worth.) EPD 3 hasn't made a game under 10 million, but EAD 3 sure has. (BOTW was like, the first Zelda game to crack 10 million IIRC.)That's what I was confused about, since it kept getting mentioned that EPD didn't have any under 10m selling games, but I was pretty sure they developed at least most Zelda games.
Oi, hop off my GOAT.EPD is EAD + SPD and SPD made straight up flops
I have no update to share.The person I trust the most in this whole DK saga is Nate. He is the most reliable guy out there imo.
Which speaking of… could we get a tiny tease of the EPD Donkey Kong game, pretty please @NateDrake
exactly, the flops were the best Nintendo games of all timeOi, hop off my GOAT.
EPD is EAD + SPD and SPD made straight up flops
Oh, that's something a little different. EPD is pretty new, only dating back to around 2015 or so. Before that, Nintendo's in-house teams were divided between EAD and SPD, and the Zelda team was EAD 3. (It's one of only a couple EAD/SPD teams to have kept its original division number, for what that's worth.) EPD 3 hasn't made a game under 10 million, but EAD 3 sure has. (BOTW was like, the first Zelda game to crack 10 million IIRC.)
As someone who has known Hyle for nearly two decades, I trust his judgment if he comes forward with a rumor/leak that he believes to be legitimate, even if Zippo's sources are questionable. I can also believe the legitimacy of Dave Throat through things I've heard second/thirdhand regarding other subjects, but again, I cannot confirm the truth of this report on DK. Believe me when I say I want it to be real more than anything, though.This isn’t a comment on Zippo, as I prefer not to judge people online who I don’t even know personally, but I will say as insignificant or significant it may be, Hyle (DK Vine) did say that he considers Zippo to be his friend.
But I want to point out that Hyle has said Zippo isn’t the only source. The other Nintendo source has a nickname “Dave Throat”.
But as I’ve expressed previously, I mostly trust Nate on this issue. And the private NL source too.
Thank you for your insight! Very interestingAs someone who has known Hyle for nearly two decades, I trust his judgment if he comes forward with a rumor/leak that he believes to be legitimate, even if Zippo's sources are questionable. I can also believe the legitimacy of Dave Throat through things I've heard second/thirdhand regarding other subjects, but again, I cannot confirm the truth of this report on DK. Believe me when I say I want it to be real more than anything, though.