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StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST15 Dec 2022| The Holidays Are a Time for Fami

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Okay I am gonna consciously refocus myself on the positives here; Nintendo reaffirmed the 12th of May date for TOTK, and since that's only 5 months out, reiterating such a specific date makes it less likely we'll see a further delay, meaning in just over 5 months' time we'll likely have the sequel to one of the best games ever made. :)
 
MisterSpo said:
Also another thought - Nintendo's TGA focus in terms of announcements was promotion for two of their Q1 titles and their movie, out in April. Even with Zelda in May, and Pikmin 4 finally coming, the rest of 2023 is something of a mystery.

On the one hand, a large part of my brain accepts that this is completely normal. By late February, we'll have likely had marketing presentations for Pokemon, perhaps Fire Emblem, and a general Direct, allowing Nintendo to fill in the blanks. Q1 is well and truly sorted, with 3 exclusives plus Octopath Traveler 2 as a notable release.

On the other hand, Nintendo's hesitancy to meaningfully promote Zelda or divulge more information about it is really interesting. We're 5 months from release, for a game that's been public for three and a half years, and we know next to nothing. Sure, the context is different versus Breath of the Wild, but I can't help but be suspicious the closer we get to release without any real information. Honestly, I can't think of any other Zelda title shrouded in this much mystery prior to release. There were a lot of unknowns about Breath of the Wild, but we'd seen the entire prologue of the game at gaming's highest profile event 9 months before release.

I don't think a delay is on the cards, given the game is content complete (thanks, game ratings agencies!). I am, however, increasingly suspicious.
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I’m kind of happy they didn’t show Zelda in that the more of this game is a surprise the better I think it will be for us. It’s going to be so heavily scrutinized from every angle (positive and negative) upon release especially since it reuses the map which covers an unknown extent of the overall experience.

How much is the same, how much is remixed, and how much is new? I think the last trailer was too much of a tease and didn’t move the needle at all. With the release date approaching I think we are expecting something more substantial for the next showing.

If I was them, I’d have a dedicated Direct for it and that’s it. Announce it ahead of time and away from whatever other presentations may be planned. Or don’t show it at all until as close to release as possible and drive everyone crazy wondering about it.

Definitely other possibilities out there though. It could end a typical January/February Direct or be tied to new hardware. Moment the year rolls over, hype, hopes, and dreams will start exponentially building again that’s for certain.
 
curl-6 said:
Okay I am gonna consciously refocus myself on the positives here; Nintendo reaffirmed the 12th of May date for TOTK, and since that's only 5 months out, reiterating such a specific date makes it less likely we'll see a further delay, meaning in just over 5 months' time we'll likely have the sequel to one of the best games ever made. :)
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We had a great TGA and Nintendo is going to make 2023 even better than 2022.

At the expense of "jinxing it," I suspect that nothing will go wrong in terms of games in 2023, at least in their quality and quantity.
 
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Btw. am i the only one being surprised that a Switch game won best multiplayer? I mean, criticism of Nintendo's online stuff isn't ... let's say uncommon. ^^

curl-6 said:
Okay I am gonna consciously refocus myself on the positives here; Nintendo reaffirmed the 12th of May date for TOTK, and since that's only 5 months out, reiterating such a specific date makes it less likely we'll see a further delay, meaning in just over 5 months' time we'll likely have the sequel to one of the best games ever made. :)
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Given it's Nintendo and how secretive they usually are about Zelda games and wary about announcing dates too early ... the chance that TotK would be delayed again was zero the moment they showed a full, to the day, date. ^^

If there was any doubt, even the slightest possibility, that they'd run into something that would cause a delay, they would've kept it open by either saying "Spring 2023" or even only "2023" again.
 
xghost777 said:
I’m kind of happy they didn’t show Zelda in that the more of this game is a surprise the better I think it will be for us. It’s going to be so heavily scrutinized from every angle (positive and negative) upon release especially since it reuses the map which covers an unknown extent of the overall experience.

How much is the same, how much is remixed, and how much is new? I think the last trailer was too much of a tease and didn’t move the needle at all. With the release date approaching I think we are expecting something more substantial for the next showing.

If I was them, I’d have a dedicated Direct for it and that’s it. Announce it ahead of time and away from whatever other presentations may be planned. Or don’t show it at all until as close to release as possible and drive everyone crazy wondering about it.

Definitely other possibilities out there though. It could end a typical January/February Direct or be tied to new hardware. Moment the year rolls over, hype, hopes, and dreams will start exponentially building again that’s for certain.
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Yeah, I do think - regardless of hardware or a general Direct - the odds on Tears of the Kingdom getting its own dedicated Direct before release are actually pretty high. The release in mid-May and a lack of first-party releases (so far) in April gives them a good opportunity to get some news out then. I know there's the Mario movie to think and talk about in April, but reviews etc for that will presumably be out end of March/early April; a Zelda event a week or two after the film and 3 to 4 weeks before TotK launches would work.
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
Yeah, there’s definitely too many games.
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As someone getting back into gaming...

Honestly? There are literally too many and it's... even a bit hard to choose as a result. :LOL:

Like, you could hypothetically just look up a game that you want (maybe type in the genre or premise) and you may just get what you're looking for.

I also think that the quality has gone up, despite what people say about gaming "being better" back then, which I disagree with, tbh.
 
merp said:
As someone getting back into gaming...

Honestly? There are literally too many and it's... even a bit hard to choose as a result. :LOL:
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The solution for all this is ... the backlog.

It is also the cause and source of problem many times, but let's not split hairs!
 
merp said:
As someone getting back into gaming...

Honestly? There are literally too many and it's... even a bit hard to choose as a result. :LOL:

Like, you could hypothetically just look up a game that you want (maybe type in the genre or premise) and you may just get what you're looking for.

I also think that the quality has gone up, despite what people say about gaming "being better" back then, which I disagree with, tbh.
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It helps me to juggle a handful of games so I don't get bored but you can't really do that with every game. But I've given up on the idea of playing everything I'm interested in a long time ago.
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
It helps me to juggle a handful of games so I don't get bored but you can't really do that with every game. But I've given up on the idea of playing everything I'm interested in a long time ago.
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Frankly, that's been the hardest part of getting back into video games: accepting that I won't be able to play everything.
 
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MisterSpo said:
On the other hand, Nintendo's hesitancy to meaningfully promote Zelda or divulge more information about it is really interesting. We're 5 months from release, for a game that's been public for three and a half years, and we know next to nothing. Sure, the context is different versus Breath of the Wild, but I can't help but be suspicious the closer we get to release without any real information. Honestly, I can't think of any other Zelda title shrouded in this much mystery prior to release. There were a lot of unknowns about Breath of the Wild, but we'd seen the entire prologue of the game at gaming's highest profile event 9 months before release.
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Don't do this to yourself. We just did this with Splatoon 3.

We'll get deets two weeks after Engage is out.

First week of February.

Mark your calendars.
 
Slowly catching up on stuff. Nintendo's showing was okay. Can't help but feel that Bayonetta Origins could have just been its own thing but I guess if that's what they want to do...

Armored Core having the lead designer of Sekiro as director has my immediate attention. I need to see gameplay though.
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
Armored Core having the lead designer of Sekiro as director has my immediate attention. I need to see gameplay though.
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I've only played the demo for the first Armored Core game, but man alive watching the reactions from all the From Software fans who jumped on with the Souls games checking out AC is going to be wild
 
shoptroll said:
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Don't do this to yourself. We just did this with Splatoon 3.

We'll get deets two weeks after Engage is out.

First week of February.

Mark your calendars.
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I'd trade a Jan/Feb/March Zelda story trailer for a timeskip to early May 2023 tbh.
 
shoptroll said:
I've only played the demo for the first Armored Core game, but man alive watching the reactions from all the From Software fans who jumped on with the Souls games checking out AC is going to be wild
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Yeah, I wonder how "Souls-y" they're gonna make it. At least one From-fandom is gonna be disappointed in it, maybe both!
 
MisterSpo said:
On the other hand, Nintendo's hesitancy to meaningfully promote Zelda or divulge more information about it is really interesting. We're 5 months from release, for a game that's been public for three and a half years, and we know next to nothing. Sure, the context is different versus Breath of the Wild, but I can't help but be suspicious the closer we get to release without any real information. Honestly, I can't think of any other Zelda title shrouded in this much mystery prior to release. There were a lot of unknowns about Breath of the Wild, but we'd seen the entire prologue of the game at gaming's highest profile event 9 months before release.
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They're just giving Fire Emblem room to breathe

Bonejack said:
Btw. am i the only one being surprised that a Switch game won best multiplayer? I mean, criticism of Nintendo's online stuff isn't ... let's say uncommon. ^^
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Switch games won Best Multiplayer Game and Best Action Game, which kinda blows my mind. 😅
I still think they shoulda also won Best RPG but.. 😩
 
Bonejack said:
The more important thing not to miss is the Drake preorders opening!
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I still remember watching the January 2017 presentation on a cruise and the awful wifi* impeding my ability to preorder right away.

Good thing people were a bit cold on it then, I managed to preorder it within a few hours.



*Well aware that this is an extremely first world problem
 
shoptroll said:
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Don't do this to yourself. We just did this with Splatoon 3.

We'll get deets two weeks after Engage is out.

First week of February.

Mark your calendars.
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chocolate_supra said:
They're just giving Fire Emblem room to breathe


Switch games won Best Multiplayer Game and Best Action Game, which kinda blows my mind. 😅
I still think they shoulda also won Best RPG but.. 😩
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Just to be clear, my suspicion is: "maybe something else is coming with the game, like hardware" and "there's probably really cool stuff they're not showing" not "this game has nothing new to it and Nintendo are hiding it from view".

I thought I was pretty clear I expect news about 2023 as a whole in February, which is normal.
 
chocolate_supra said:
They're just giving Fire Emblem room to breathe


Switch games won Best Multiplayer Game and Best Action Game, which kinda blows my mind. 😅
I still think they shoulda also won Best RPG but.. 😩
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Well Sony was too busy complaining to regulators to notice Geoff somehow put GoW into Action-Adventure!

Skittzo said:
I still remember watching the January 2017 presentation on a cruise and the awful wifi* impeding my ability to preorder right away.

Good thing people were a bit cold on it then, I managed to preorder it within a few hours.



*Well aware that this is an extremely first world problem
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I feel you, back then, i had to divide my attention between F5-ing Amazon and watching reaction videos of the Zelda trailer.

Nightmare.
 
chocolate_supra said:
They're just giving Fire Emblem room to breathe
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I also think they can have a smaller promotional period for TotK because there's a lot less they need to explain. BotW upended the Zelda template that had been in use for nearly two decades, and that requires some education of potential buyers. TotK is expected to retain that formula so there's not as many essentials they need to talk about.

Marketing for TotK could simply be "Hey you can play BotW for free if you have an NSO subscription in April. By the way there's a sequel in May. See you then".
 
MisterSpo said:
Just to be clear, my suspicion is: "maybe something else is coming with the game, like hardware" and "there's probably really cool stuff they're not showing" not "this game has nothing new to it and Nintendo are hiding it from view".

I thought I was pretty clear I expect news about 2023 as a whole in February, which is normal.
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I shoulda been more clear that I was just leaning into the "give niche (but actually popular) game room to breathe" joke from the Animal Crossing days. 😅

I actually share your suspicion.
 
chocolate_supra said:
I shoulda been more clear that I was just leaning into the "give niche (but actually popular) game room to breathe" joke from the Animal Crossing days. 😅

I actually share your suspicion.
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It is true that Nintendo have waited so long to release Fire Emblem Engage for fear of overshadowing Animal Crossing; this necessitated delays for Zelda, which would overshadow Fire Emblem. The next 3D Mario will only be announced and advertised when Tears of the Kingdom stops selling.
 
Weebos said:
You guys have thought the next Switch was releasing imminently for the past two years lol.
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Some Nintendo exec at a shareholder meeting I'm butchering the quote: "We're always looking at new hardware".

(I seriously do think a lot of what leaked is just R&D stuff and may not be indicative of a product that makes it to market)
 
MisterSpo said:
It is true that Nintendo have waited so long to release Fire Emblem Engage for fear of overshadowing Animal Crossing; this necessitated delays for Zelda, which would overshadow Fire Emblem. The next 3D Mario will only be announced and advertised when Tears of the Kingdom stops selling.
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See this makes sense.

Bonejack said:
Oh, do i see right, are we Drake-ing in here right now?
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I've been Drake-ing since before famiboards existed
I've been Drake-ing since before it was called Drake

shoptroll said:
(I seriously do think a lot of what leaked is just R&D stuff and may not be indicative of a product that makes it to market)
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From what's been said a lot in the hardware thread, what has leaked shows a product so far along in development that for it to not come to market at this point would be very, very expensive and unusual.
 
Weebos said:
You guys have thought the next Switch was releasing imminently for the past two years lol.
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This isn't remotely true though. We thought it was happening in 2021 because Bloomberg reported it was happening in 2021.

Otherwise it's been late 22/early 23 since 2020.
 
shoptroll said:
Some Nintendo exec at a shareholder meeting I'm butchering the quote: "We're always looking at new hardware".

(I seriously do think a lot of what leaked is just R&D stuff and may not be indicative of a product that makes it to market)
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Believe me when i say that developers (of all sorts) are always trying to both work smarter not harder and to never do stuff if it's too early and they can still wait, i know it from myself and from leading a team for some years now. ^^

So if all this was just R&D, you wouldn't have a nVidia engineer doing the work needed for a specific SoC to be added to the Linux Kernel already. ^^
 
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