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Pre-Release The Super Mario Bros. Movie Pre-Release Discussion Thread (Now releasing April 5th in the US)

Final Worldwide Box Office Predictions

  • Less than $300 million (Absolute Flop)

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • $300-450 million (in line with other video game adaptations)

    Votes: 4 3.2%
  • $450-700 million (best video game adaptation, in line with other recent animated films)

    Votes: 26 21.0%
  • $700 million-1 billion (higher tier for all but the biggest hits

    Votes: 43 34.7%
  • $1-1.3 billion (Top 10 highest grossing animated film of all time, Illumination’s biggest success)

    Votes: 34 27.4%
  • $1.3-1.6 billion (Frozen tier)

    Votes: 9 7.3%
  • 1.6 billion+ (unseats the Lion King remake as the most successful animated movie of all time)

    Votes: 6 4.8%

  • Total voters
    124
  • Poll closed .
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It's interesting that Mario Kart and arcade/NES games are the reference points for the trailer. Mario Kart is obviously huge and probably the main touchpoint to the characters for many, but the retro stuff screams "Remember Mario? He's back!" to me as if the series wasn't still extremely relevant.
 
It's interesting that Mario Kart and arcade/NES games are the reference points for the trailer. Mario Kart is obviously huge and probably the main touchpoint to the characters for many, but the retro stuff screams "Remember Mario? He's back!" to me as if the series wasn't still extremely relevant.
I think it's just a simple matter of "people are most likely to recognize Donkey Kong and the classic arcade stage than they are to recognize Fludd or Lord Crump"
 
It's interesting that Mario Kart and arcade/NES games are the reference points for the trailer. Mario Kart is obviously huge and probably the main touchpoint to the characters for many, but the retro stuff screams "Remember Mario? He's back!" to me as if the series wasn't still extremely relevant.
There's going to be a lot of non-game-playing parents they want to take their kids to see this movie. Some of this has to appeal to them.

As someone who is almost 40 and has a lot of friends with 5-10 year old kids, believe me it's a real demo. Just last Sunday "I had no idea Mario Kart was still a thing until my kid asked me for it for Christmas. I loved that game on Super Nintendo! Man, they're still doing Mario Karts, huh." These people are out there.
 
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I'm a little late here (I only watched the trailer late last night) but this sold me on the movie. I wasn't convinced after the first trailer but this one was a goddamn delight
 
DK, looks better in action. The mouth is the biggest issue for me but it's relatively a small issue lol. Either way, I'm excited for the movie. Seems like a great time.
Thank god I'm not the only one tripping out over DK's mouth
 
Leo Luster cameo I beg you

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been a long time since I’ve seen ol’ Creepy Kong
 
I kind of completely disagree

actors — and voice actors — completely make or break a movie

I’m not even saying all actors have to be good because there’s absolute value in an actor being bad in a fun way, especially with a wild premise

but entirely divorcing voice acting and their performances from the thing… what?
I’ve been watching movies and shows with voice actors my entire life and I can say I don’t know, remember or care who any of the voice actors were in any of them. Yet I still love and enjoy the heck out of those movies and shows to this day.
 
I’ve been watching movies and shows with voice actors my entire life and I can say I don’t know, remember or care who any of the voice actors were in any of them. Yet I still love and enjoy the heck out of those movies and shows to this day.
Right, that is why movies should hire good actors instead of expensive celebrities that phone it in. You don't care who did which voice, so why waste money on a Chris Pratt subpar performance?
 
Right, that is why movies should hire good actors instead of expensive celebrities that phone it in. You don't care who did which voice, so why waste money on a Chris Pratt subpar performance?
Oh come now..movie ain’t out..we’ve heard nearly a line from Pratt in two trailers and his work is somehow subpar for this movie??
Edit: unless you mean he’s a subpar actor in general
 
Oh come now..movie ain’t out..we’ve heard nearly a line from Pratt in two trailers and his work is somehow subpar for this movie??
Edit: unless you mean he’s a subpar actor in general
I have now seen three different trailers where he sounded bad (and bad in the same way all three times), I really really really really really, with cream on top, doubt that they specifically tried to choose his worst possible scenes for marketing's sake.
 
This is probably gonna be a long ramble, but screw it, this movie got me thinking - and I didn't see that coming when it was announced way back when. I'll try and apply line breaks to make the post a bit more digestible.

I wanna touch on Mario's characterisation first.

It seems like it's going to be a pretty standard journey: hero gets thrust into a situation, is initially in over their head and muddles through the obstacles in the way - before finally growing into the hero they need to be and saving the day. It's something we've seen a million times and will probably see a million times more. A tried and true formula.

Despite that, actually applying this formula to Mario will actually be something totally new for the character. Throughout the 35 years of games we've been playing, Mario has never been shown having to grow. Hell, Mario has very rarely been portrayed as even having character flaws.

So it makes sense that, when you see Mario overawed by the situation, or when you see him display a bit of overconfidence, or when you see him flail around and suffer a bit of slapstick - it feels weird. Hell, seeing Mario take a breath to compose himself before fighting DK is something we've never seen him do before.

From my POV, I actually think the formula is a good fit for a videogame origin story. Think about the first time you picked up a Mario platformer: you made mistakes, you got your proverbial kicked repeatedly, sometimes to the point of frustration - but you made it in the end. I think seeing Mario go through that is pretty cool, even if it isn't intended to be viewed from that admittedly meta viewpoint.

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Some of the discourse surrounding Peach has made me realise how much of a Catch 22 her portrayal is, especially today. Peach has been predominantly portrayed as the archetypal damsel in distress in the games. That generally wouldn't fly in movies today - hell, it barely flies in the games these days.

On the other hand, you inject the character with a bit of confidence and sass, and then suddenly she's pigeonholed as a "girlboss". I think it's telling that female characters never seem to be given the room to display different facets to their character.

I mean, are we really going to say that Peach won't be sweet and supportive to Mario, just because she displays some snark and exasperation at his setbacks? It is possible for her to be three dimensional, sheesh.

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I think Mario and Peach are generally blank slates in the games, which makes the decision to make them the main protagonists (at least initially) quite an interesting one. Out of the four series mainstays, they're the ones with the least characterisation.

I'm actually surprised Nintendo went with this tack, as the safest move would have been to have Mario and Luigi as the main protagonists - as per the title of the movie. Luigi could have been the overawed and bumbling brother, whereas Mario would have been the confident and talented hero. No one would have batted an eye.

But they didn't, and I actually respect the filmmakers for going with a structure that essentially means Mario has to go through some growth. Peach also has to be something more than a damsel or a passive character.

The games by and large do not do this, so that they're attempting it for the first Mario movie pushed by Nintendo is something I find really interesting. Of course, it's all in the execution, so here's hoping they can manage it.

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A couple of other stray thoughts - I haven't mentioned Toad yet. The trailers seem to indicate that he's the "brave" one out of them all, as he looks like the only one who backs Peach up initially. Could be building the foundations for him being leader of the Toad Brigade in the future?

I've spoken at length about Mario and Peach, but I think putting Luigi at Bowser's mercy is a good move. It gives Mario some personal stakes that wouldn't have necessarily existed beforehand. It also means that Jack Black and Charlie Day can really bounce off each other, which should be entertaining at the very least.

I'm not worried about Luigi at all tbh. It's still the Super Mario Bros. Movie - he'll get his moment to shine and I'm sure it'll be brilliant.

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I think that's enough for now, jeez. I haven't even touched on DK!

Honestly, I'm just happy this film looks as promising as it does. Things might turn but it looks like it'll be a competent family adventure at the very worst.

Above all I'm just thankful that it seems to be embracing being a Mario movie. This feels like an adaptation with the appropriate amount of reverence of the source material. The Sonic movies, which I've enjoyed a lot, didn't feel like a Sonic the Hedgehog movie until the second one. This is a Mario movie that isn't ashamed to be one, and that's fantastic.
 
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This is probably gonna be a long ramble, but screw it, this movie got me thinking - and I didn't see that coming when it was announced way back when. I'll try and apply line breaks to make the post a bit more digestible.

I wanna touch on Mario's characterisation first.

It seems like it's going to be a pretty standard journey: hero gets thrust into a situation, is initially in over their head and muddles through the obstacles in the way - before finally growing into the hero they need to be and saving the day. It's something we've seen a million times and will probably see a million times more. A tried and true formula.

Despite that, actually applying this formula to Mario will actually be something totally new for the character. Throughout the 35 years of games we've been playing, Mario has never been shown having to grow. Hell, Mario has very rarely been portrayed as even having character flaws.

So it makes sense that, when you see Mario overawed by the situation, or when you see him display a bit of overconfidence, or when you see him flail around and suffer a bit of slapstick - it feels weird. Hell, seeing Mario take a breath to compose himself before fighting DK is something we've never seen him do before.

From my POV, I actually think the formula is a good fit for a videogame origin story. Think about the first time you picked up a Mario platformer: you made mistakes, you got your proverbial kicked repeatedly, sometimes to the point of frustration - but you made it in the end. I think seeing Mario go through that is pretty cool, even if it isn't intended to be viewed from that admittedly meta viewpoint.

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Some of the discourse surrounding Peach has made me realise how much of a Catch 22 her portrayal is, especially today. Peach has been predominantly portrayed as the archetypal damsel in distress in the games. That generally wouldn't fly in movies today - hell, it barely flies in the games these days.

On the other hand, you inject the character with a bit of confidence and sass, and then suddenly she's pigeonholed as a "girlboss". I think it's telling that female characters never seem to be given the room to display different facets to their character.

I mean, are we really going to say that Peach won't be sweet and supportive to Mario, just because she displays some snark and exasperation at his setbacks? It is possible for her to be three dimensional, sheesh.

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I think Mario and Peach are generally blank slates in the games, which makes the decision to make them the main protagonists (at least initially) quite an interesting one. Out of the four series mainstays, they're the ones with the least characterisation.

I'm actually surprised Nintendo went with this tack, as the safest move would have been to have Mario and Luigi as the main protagonists - as per the title of the movie. Luigi could have been the overawed and bumbling brother, whereas Mario would have been the confident and talented hero. No one would have batted an eye.

But they didn't, and I actually respect the filmmakers for going with a structure that essentially means Mario has to go through some growth. Peach also has to be something more than a damsel or a passive character.

The games by and large do not do this, so that they're attempting it for the first Mario movie pushed by Nintendo is something I find really interesting. Of course, it's all in the execution, so here's hoping they can manage it.

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A couple of other stray thoughts - I haven't mentioned Toad yet. The trailers seem to indicate that he's the "brave" one out of them all, as he looks like the only one who backs Peach up initially. Could be building the foundations for him being leader of the Toad Brigade in the future?

I've spoken at length about Mario and Peach, but I think putting Luigi at Bowser's mercy is a good move. It gives Mario some personal stakes that wouldn't have necessarily existed beforehand. It also means that Jack Black and Charlie Day can really bounce off each other, which should be entertaining at the very least.

I'm not worried about Luigi at all tbh. It's still the Super Mario Bros. Movie - he'll get his moment to shine and I'm sure it'll be brilliant.

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I think that's enough for now, jeez. I haven't even touched on DK!

Honestly, I'm just happy this film looks as promising as it does. Things might turn but it looks like it'll be a competent family adventure at the very worst.

Above all I'm just thankful that it seems to be embracing being a Mario movie. This feels like an adaptation with the appropriate amount of reverence of the source material. The Sonic movies, which I've enjoyed a lot, didn't feel like a Sonic the Hedgehog movie until the second one. This is a Mario movie that isn't ashamed to be one, and that's fantastic.
Imo portraying the players experience in Mario games: failing, falling down pits, being frustrated etc: as opposed to Mario’s experience is entirely intentional.

They want the audience to think back on that time the disappearing blocks made them fall down the pit, and resonate with that.
 
Imo portraying the players experience in Mario games: failing, falling down pits, being frustrated etc: as opposed to Mario’s experience is entirely intentional.

They want the audience to think back on that time the disappearing blocks made them fall down the pit, and resonate with that.
Yeah this thread is all pro gamers so they just don’t get it
 
I personally have no issues with how Mario was presented in the trailers; I feel the analogy @JR436 made about being allegory of how players grow and learn how to be a hero in Mario's shoes is perfect, and I really think that's exactly the angle they approached with the writting;

At the sametime, I believe Mario with a tad bit of an inflated ego going to that strange world, is appropriated, especially if you've grown with the character in the 80's and the early cartoons. He is brave and he does think he can overcome everything, but there's always the hard realization that is not always so easy; and that works best for an origin story too. When we saw him flying around in the Tanooki Suit, is probably the moment when he is already the well prepared hero seen in the games.. I just think they need to give him a bit more of cheerful tone.. but you know.. Pratt being terrible on the role doesn't help.

For Luigi though.. I'm sure he will get great moments alone, and probably won't be trapped in a cage at Bowser's domain the whole movie.. but I hope he gets reunited with Mario as early they can possibly write, so they can make the movie about the two together. The climax has to be both against Bowser, right?
 
Really enjoy all the little easter eggs to other games with Mario, love the Smash nod to Mario's F-Air in the trailer and the Spanish ad trailer
 
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Same guy is back again with the isolated audio track uploads of the trailer.


I kind of hope as he gets more confident, Mario’s voice becomes more jovial, since I do think the laugh and wahoo at the end were pretty decent.
 
You know, at first, I thought the inclusion of a Mario Kart scene was kind of unexpected and out of left field.

Then I thought about it some more and realized, why WOULDN'T there be a Mario Kart scene? Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is hands-down the best-selling Switch game and one of the best-selling games in general. There's a good chance that, to many people, Mario is Mario Kart. It's kind of a no-brainer and I can't believe it never occurred to me before.
 
You know, at first, I thought the inclusion of a Mario Kart scene was kind of unexpected and out of left field.

Then I thought about it some more and realized, why WOULDN'T there be a Mario Kart scene? Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is hands-down the best-selling Switch game and one of the best-selling games in general. There's a good chance that, to many people, Mario is Mario Kart. It's kind of a no-brainer and I can't believe it never occurred to me before.

I'm pretty MK8D is quite literally the best selling Mario branded game in general. Even surpassed SMB1.
 
I thought it looks great and the LatAm dub is perfect.
 
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I don't think any animated has ever been more scrutinized and nit picked before its even released in history. Mario is very important, he is a staple of my child hood, but at the end of the day, this is a childrens movie first and foremost. This looks very cool, and i love the aesthetic on display, but before we get mad at dumb jokes, lets remember that despite being mario fans, we are not the primary audience for this movie. Its okay if things are different from the games, whether it be personalities, voices, ect… its okay if there is a pop song, or a cheesey life lesson.
 
I kind of hope as he gets more confident, Mario’s voice becomes more jovial, since I do think the laugh and wahoo at the end were pretty decent.

The laugh feels right out of Mario Kart 8 when Mario goes airborne.
 
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I thought Mario Kart being represented at all in the movie was out of leftfield, because I really thought this was going to be a self-contained adaptation of the first Super Mario Bros. game (maybe just without Toads transformed into blocks).. but now that this notion is out of the way, and they're clearly going for their own thing, besides the introductory part... yeah, it makes total sense;

But even then, in my mind, despite of how Mario Kart is an important piece of any Nintendo system, I always put it alongside Mario Golf, Tennis, Sluggers, Strikers, all the other spinoffs like Paper Mario and such.. you know, not lesser, but it's not the main thing when comes to this franchise.
 
For those worried about the music in the trailer, it is confirmed that the trailer track is not actual music from the film itself. The track was made by Cavalry Music, a musical production studio that mostly does music for trailers and not by the actual composer of the film, Brian Tyler.
 
I'm pretty MK8D is quite literally the best selling Mario branded game in general. Even surpassed SMB1.

Over 8 million more units than Super Mario Bros. and still growing, yes. Though Nintendo have never divulged Virtual Console sales and other such rereleases so we're just comparing it the original release on Famicom / NES.
 
For those worried about the music in the trailer, it is confirmed that the trailer track is not actual music from the film itself. The track was made by Cavalry Music, a musical production studio that mostly does music for trailers and not by the actual composer of the film, Brian Tyler.
I honestly kinda liked dramatic holywood trailer rendition of World 1-1
 
I thought Mario Kart being represented at all in the movie was out of leftfield, because I really thought this was going to be a self-contained adaptation of the first Super Mario Bros. game (maybe just without Toads transformed into blocks).. but now that this notion is out of the way, and they're clearly going for their own thing, besides the introductory part... yeah, it makes total sense;

But even then, in my mind, despite of how Mario Kart is an important piece of any Nintendo system, I always put it alongside Mario Golf, Tennis, Sluggers, Strikers, all the other spinoffs like Paper Mario and such.. you know, not lesser, but it's not the main thing when comes to this franchise.
How they handled Donkey Kong also surprised me. I thought they would go the obvious route of having DK/Cranky kidnap Pauline near the start of the movie while Mario’s still in Brooklyn. But they seem to be tying DK more to the DKC world (while still having some arcade references).

The fact that it isn’t just a literal translation of Mario’s early history makes the movie more intriguing.
 
Maybe it's because I didn't have great expectations regarding the movie, but I think it looks absolutely amazing, and I am not talking just about visuals.
 
How they handled Donkey Kong also surprised me. I thought they would go the obvious route of having DK/Cranky kidnap Pauline near the start of the movie while Mario’s still in Brooklyn. But they seem to be tying DK more to the DKC world (while still having some arcade references).

The fact that it isn’t just a literal translation of Mario’s early history makes the movie more intriguing.
I still think the original Donkey Kong arcade game will have something to do with the early part of the movie while they're still on Brooklyn.. Pauline was there in the leaked poster too...

and Cranky was acting way too pleased to see Mario being humiliated by his grandson.. So they could had still have some backstory together.
 
The Brooklyn leak does have "new DONK city" grafitti written on a mailbox, which could be just a meaningless callback, but if it's not it would be weird to not connect Donkey Kong to it
 
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