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Rumour Fire Emblem 18 - screenshots have been leaked (Reddit) (UPDATE: another screenshot leaked, see OP)

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Man, I’ve never fallen off a series due to art style as hard as Fire Emblem. Those GBA games (and Echoes) are pure 90’s VHS anime and they look so good. Awakening was a fine middle ground between grounded fantasy and mainstream anime, with Fates moving a bit further mainstream but only so much due to the hardware.

Three Houses and Toothpaste are just full on anime garbage. Glad WayForward is handling Advance Wars.
 
Cubs017 said:
Very curious about summoning every lord from past games. At a certain point wouldn’t they be a bit…samey? I’d also hate to see it take away from new characters. I wonder if there’s a limit on how many old ones you can have at once or something.
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In theory the various prior lords could be diversified even in their bubble of samey sword lords

Marth would be able to use the Fire Emblem to unlock chest, take reduced damage from dragons, and have an unlimited weapon that does extra damage to dragons.

Alm would have access to bows and possibly his unique weapon arts

Seliph would have a horse, negate enemy skills, and potentially get a big bonus to resistance with his signature weapon making him a great boss killer

Lief would have his light brand for 1-2 range magic attack on top of built in adapt for potential free attacks

Roy would have a horse, have a 1-2 range sword that can heal him, and do extra damage to dragons

Eliwood would have a horse, lances, and his signature sword gives him a strength boost

Erika gets kinda screwed here, she's basically eliwood but doesn't have lances, though I guess she's a bit faster 🤷‍♀️. Her weapon is effective against monsters which could be useful if enemies like that are in this game.

Ike would have axes, his Aether ability, and access to his special 1-2 range sword.

Chrom would have lance access, aether, and access to another dragon slaying Falchion, and maybe be a unique paired character with Robin.

Corrin would have their dragon abilities

Byleth would have access to white magic (and brawling if it's in this game), the sword of the creator with it's unique abilities, and maybe be the only character who can do a battalion charge.

I know this isn't all the lords, I'm just focusing on the samey sword lords. There's enough differences there where most of them would be useful in different situations depending upon your team build up and what challenges you saw in the upcoming battle.
 
snikdasnek said:
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Not gonna like, she looks way better than I thought she would
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She does have those Atelier Ryza thighs.
 
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snikdasnek said:
I imagine that the central hub is different from the overworld we can explore
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Yeah, maybe so. According to the translation of the first screenshot, there is a "preparations" option. Maybe you visit the home base every so often to make preparations for exploring the world? Maybe this preparations menu will be similar to the dungeon menu in SoV, and you select a limited number of units each time you return to the base that travel with you?
 
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KingOnion said:
Man, I’ve never fallen off a series due to art style as hard as Fire Emblem. Those GBA games (and Echoes) are pure 90’s VHS anime and they look so good. Awakening was a fine middle ground between grounded fantasy and mainstream anime, with Fates moving a bit further mainstream but only so much due to the hardware.

Three Houses and Toothpaste are just full on anime garbage. Glad WayForward is handling Advance Wars.
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Are you SURE Awakening and Fates have more restrained character designs than Three Houses? Like REALLY REALLY sure?
 
Believe Mushrooms said:
Are you SURE Awakening and Fates have more restrained character designs than Three Houses? Like REALLY REALLY sure?
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Look I'm fine with 1,000 year old loli Dragons, but bisexual women who run around with their back bare for the world to see on the battlefield is where I draw the line.

Please for the love of god do not take this comment seriously
 
fire emblem got popular as soon as it went more anime, both in art and story, so...anime won again

Tbh the older games were a bit too dry and grounded and didnt pan out in the west, so it is what it is
 
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BassForever said:
Look I'm fine with 1,000 year old loli Dragons, but bisexual women who run around with their back bare for the world to see on the battlefield is where I draw the line.

Please for the love of god do not take this comment seriously
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I find this funny cause in Tiki’s case she was in stasis for 985 of those thousand years. She ages. Slightly slower but not that slow.
 
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Considering I don't like most Atelier female designs... I have low hopes for the ladies in this game.
 
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snikdasnek said:
in what way? Everything about this reads like Fates gameplay wise to me with a mix of SOV. The only heroes thing about it is the summoning
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In the sense that they’re doing this summoning thing at all as well as bringing back online. Feels like they’re gonna market the shit out of this as a way to assemble a team of your favorite Fire Emblem characters and fight with or against others online.

The combat itself does seem somewhat similar to Fates, not seeing anything similar to SOV besides the exploration stuff. I dunno, I just don’t have a whole lot of faith that they’re gonna focus on the campaign based on what little information we have. Could see them trying to market it as something more than just single player to try and draw some of the Heroes crowd to consoles.
 
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The fact that they added a sauna in 3H and somehow therein didn't dive headfirst into fanservice may be the most shocking amount of restraint I've ever seen from a waifu game.

But I don't expect it to last.

There is a middle-ground between 3H and face-petting though, and I expect this game will probably plant itself firmly in that alcove.
 
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They need to have more Christmas Tharja designs. That way the collective internet can implode on itself with this "too anime" shit.
 
FeMC’s outfit looks pretty wack, ngl. F!Byleth was already… not great in this regard and I changed to one of her alternate costumes as soon as I could. Hopefully this one will also have them.
 
snikdasnek said:
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Not gonna like, she looks way better than I thought she would
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I just realised 2 things:

The screenshot is reflective and the image of the game is full of jaggies, this has to be a screenshot of handheld mode.

Second thing: look at the right, is that a summon? Like the past and legendary characters? It also explains why she's in that pose.
 
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So apparently the game is being compared to Fates in terms of gameplay and combat since there is no weapon durability and there is more emphasis on the weapon triangle. Plus, we got a big focus on exploration and dungeons.

That alone makes me excited but the artstyle... 😭
 
Ozzie said:
So apparently the game is being compared to Fates in terms of gameplay and combat since there is no weapon durability and there is more emphasis on the weapon triangle. Plus, we got a big focus on exploration and dungeons.

That alone makes me excited but the artstyle... 😭
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Somebody has to help me out here. Fates = Good or Bad?

I've only played Three Houses, but I got the impression over time from posts that Awakening is great, and Fates...less so. I'm not even sure where Three Houses fits into the comparison, or if it's even comparable.
 
Well, I never liked the Three Houses art style much, but this is somehow looking worse, that main character is just, wacky in a bad way. Gust? Maybe from the ones without Hidari or Kishida.

Which Fates in terms of gameplay, that is a big gap between peak Fire Emblem (Conquest), solid with some interesting gimmicks (Revelation) and low point (Birthright). Unless is just some of the main combat mechanics and not the level design as well.

The stuff about free roaming would be a deal breaker, is one of the main reasons I dropped Valentia, and partly why I didn't bother with Three Houses due to the Monastery, I just want to play a linear, level to level strategy game. Most I can stand is the castle area of Fates.
 
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karmitt said:
Somebody has to help me out here. Fates = Good or Bad?

I've only played Three Houses, but I got the impression over time from posts that Awakening is great, and Fates...less so. I'm not even sure where Three Houses fits into the comparison, or if it's even comparable.
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Probably the most loaded question in the series LMAO. Many people will give you many different answers. The only main opinion that seems to be agreed on is that Conquest's actual battle gameplay was very good.
 
karmitt said:
Somebody has to help me out here. Fates = Good or Bad?

I've only played Three Houses, but I got the impression over time from posts that Awakening is great, and Fates...less so. I'm not even sure where Three Houses fits into the comparison, or if it's even comparable.
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The main issue people have with Fates is that the writing is really not great. Three Houses was a humongous improvement in that regard.
 
Thanks all. So assuming we trust that writing has improved, it sounds like any comparison to Fates is probably fine?

I’m sure I’ll love it.
 
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Well the background already looks way more detailed in the new picture. A big improvement over "empty hotel lobby". Now let's see an update on the UI, put some nice 2D art for the characters and we're talking.
 
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I'd be a little let down if weapon durability doesn't return. Having a resource economy to make me carefully consider my choice of weapon is favorable to just hit rate variances to me personally.
 
karmitt said:
Somebody has to help me out here. Fates = Good or Bad?

I've only played Three Houses, but I got the impression over time from posts that Awakening is great, and Fates...less so. I'm not even sure where Three Houses fits into the comparison, or if it's even comparable.
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In comparison, one criticism of Awakening was that all the map objectives were ‘wipe out the enemy’. Fates has two casts, and three campaigns (one each plus a joint route). One of those routes (Birthright) was a pretty standard campaign with basic missions like Awakening. The others (Conquest and Revelations) had a return to a range of objectives, and so received praise for that.

The problem was that Fate’s story and characters are extremely silly. Characters routinely make daft choices or stretch logic to the nth degree in order to either maintain the suspense, keep characters from realising the obvious despite them allegedly being of at least average intelligence or to depict the Nohr faction as not outright evil (despite its high command for an invasion on wafer-thin pretences and most of its royal family and generals being your party), while the main character is an idiot in every route. Characters are paper thin tropes (there’s even a ‘maid’ class, lol), and while the ‘pair people up and your kids follow Lucina back from the post-apocalypse future as reinforcements’ was fun in Awakening, in Fates your characters raise their kids in some time-dilation otherworld. Because reasons.

Ultimately, the map/mission design in the Conquest campaign (which is the Nohr route) is really good, but the rest of it dives headfirst into just relentless stupidity that I find impossible to recommend unless your tolerance for stories than make no sense and annoying characters in a 30-hour game (per campaign) is sky-high.

TH was a solid improvement on those fronts, by restricting the different campaigns by opposing factions to just the second half of the game, it kept the balancing act to a minimum. The characters, even minor ones, also had decent backstories that fitted into the messed-up feudal world that leads to conflict, rather than just an ‘I like x! Can I teach you x?’ Or ‘I hate x! Teach me how not to hate x!’ fixation.

Pretty much all the questioning around the exact level of tropey crap a new FE will have is down to Fates, but fortunately they change it up each game, and Three Houses was a vast, vast improvement on that front.
 
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I just hope they don't wait until September to announce this. Can't say I like what we have seen so far wrt character designs, but you never know how they tweaked them in the meantime.
 
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Awakening was a pretty good level of anime. Fates was uncomfortably way too anime. Three houses moved back in the right direction. It's obviously way too soon to judge this game, but the MCs design and the six female characters on the support screen all having the same face? The signs, while not reliable information, aren't promising.
 
VegiHam said:
Awakening was a pretty good level of anime. Fates was uncomfortably way too anime. Three houses moved back in the right direction. It's obviously way too soon to judge this game, but the MCs design and the six female characters on the support screen all having the same face? The signs, while not reliable information, aren't promising.
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Cheaper to just buy faces in bulk
 
karmitt said:
Somebody has to help me out here. Fates = Good or Bad?

I've only played Three Houses, but I got the impression over time from posts that Awakening is great, and Fates...less so. I'm not even sure where Three Houses fits into the comparison, or if it's even comparable.
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As others have said, Fates, specifically conquest has the best gameplay in the franchise and still remains so. Unfortunately the story is embarrassingly bad and makes no sense. Thankfully the story improved a lot with Echoes and Three Houses.

But at the time, the community became EXTREMELY toxic because of Fates. It was honestly unbearable. Three Houses, especially after the story leak, united the community lol.
 
not really feeling that design if i'm being honest

edit: were these posted here? comments from the original reddit poster:
  • Free roaming on the overworld map will return; you won't be restricted to one location like the monastery in Three Houses. There will also be movement through towns and dungeons similar to Shadows of Valentia. Most of the new characters come from two different cities, one of which is aquatic themed.
  • While the character designs may have undergone minor changes by this point, the overall designs of the majority of the girls are simply "cuter" than the guys. There is one female character not shown that I think a lot of people will be excited for, though.
  • Although the hair colors may not fit the recent Three Houses style, they wouldn't necessarily be out of place in other games such as Fates. Take Lilith's also red and blue long hair, or Peri's blue and hot pink twintails for example. However, the new character shown here does have plot reasons for this hair.
 
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First impression of the supposed leaks is underwhelming. Character design doesn't appeal to me at all. It's a subjective matter, but these kind of designs might halt Fire Emblems growth in popularity. Most fans of the gameplay will buy the game despite that, rather than by beeing intrigued by the new art direction.
 
Laguna said:
First impression of the supposed leaks is underwhelming. Character design doesn't appeal to me at all. It's a subjective matter, but these kind of designs might halt Fire Emblems growth in popularity. Most fans of the gameplay will buy the game despite that, rather than by beeing intrigued by the new art direction.
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The absurd anime design shit didn't stop Xenoblade's growth, and this isn't as bad as that.
 
Ozzie said:
As others have said, Fates, specifically conquest has the best gameplay in the franchise and still remains so. Unfortunately the story is embarrassingly bad and makes no sense. Thankfully the story improved a lot with Echoes and Three Houses.

But at the time, the community became EXTREMELY toxic because of Fates. It was honestly unbearable. Three Houses, especially after the story leak, united the community lol.
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Let’s face it, even the ‘was Edelgard a flawed, traumatised leader using whatever she could to win against a totalitarian dragon god that has kept the continent on the precipice of war in its own interests, or a junior fascist dictator that sends the continent over the edge?’ discussions were at least more interesting than debating the level of stupidity in Fates. As it was at least about a decent story where your perspective could change based on who got to discuss their reasoning with you, whether that was Claude or Dimitri, or particularly Rhea or Edelgard. I’ve agreed with various interpretations of it as I listened to people offer their takes.

Whereas Fates is just an argument about your exact level of tolerance for tropes it dives into, which is just as polarised but more of a instant kneejerk reaction to each moment of idiocy by the entire cast as they piled up. If you dislike it, there is no relief from it, no other route that’s less stupid. As opposed to having played through one or more routes if TH, thinking about it and then arguing on the internet about how one or more of those routes as a whole were totally defensible :D
 
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