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Danny said:
I'm not sure what Nintendo's gameplan is this year, they don't want to say anything about Switch 2, fine. But shouldn't they go all guns blazing with Switch stuff then? But their gameplan seems to be the worst of both worlds, nothing Switch 2 until next year, and nothing relevant when it comes to Switch 1 as well this year.

So they will tank both their revenue this year from a worthless Switch year, plus tank their stock price due to no Switch 2 reveal until 2025. Nintendo still seems totally incapable of having a smooth console transition, they always fall into the trap of software never being ready which leads to a totally barren last year of every hardware they move on from.

Weird that they don't seem to realize that the only logical move from them this year is to build hype for next year, reveal the Switch 2, announce first party games for it and let third party developers announce games for Switch 2, that way they will still have a worthless 2024, but at least the increased hype and anticipation would lead to higher stock price and being part of the mindshare from general consumers and gamers.
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Yeah it does kind of feel like that. Maybe that will all change with a banger June direct, but we will see. Not having a traditional February direct is curious.

At the end of the day I will die on the hill that Holiday 2023/Spring 2024 was the ideal time for Nintendo to launch with the most momentum.
 
Danny said:
I'm not sure what Nintendo's gameplan is this year, they don't want to say anything about Switch 2, fine. But shouldn't they go all guns blazing with Switch stuff then? But their gameplan seems to be the worst of both worlds, nothing Switch 2 until next year, and nothing relevant when it comes to Switch 1 as well this year.

So they will tank both their revenue this year from a worthless Switch year, plus tank their stock price due to no Switch 2 reveal until 2025. Nintendo still seems totally incapable of having a smooth console transition, they always fall into the trap of software never being ready which leads to a totally barren last year of every hardware they move on from.

Weird that they don't seem to realize that the only logical move from them this year is to build hype for next year, reveal the Switch 2, announce first party games for it and let third party developers announce games for Switch 2, that way they will still have a worthless 2024, but at least the increased hype and anticipation would lead to higher stock price and being part of the mindshare from general consumers and gamers.
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the Anthony Edwards of jumping to conclusions
 
Man, fridays in 2024 suck huh? First the delay (iirc that dropped on a friday), now this.

No wonder Nintendo changed game release day to thurdays.

Aufhebung RPG said:
Can you say who it was, I don't recall anyone being banned from that thread.
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Click on "Site" on the top-bar menu, there's a menu point "Banned Users". There you find a list of all banned people including the reasoning by moderation why said user was banned.
 
The issue with the possibility that the Switch 2 was delayed because Pokemon ZA, Prime 4, and 3D Mario were delayed is that this opens up a large possibility of even more delays because software delays are super common.

So uhhhhh

Hopefully there’s a press release Monday or Tuesday.
 
Danny said:
I'm not sure what Nintendo's gameplan is this year, they don't want to say anything about Switch 2, fine. But shouldn't they go all guns blazing with Switch stuff then? But their gameplan seems to be the worst of both worlds, nothing Switch 2 until next year, and nothing relevant when it comes to Switch 1 as well this year.

So they will tank both their revenue this year from a worthless Switch year, plus tank their stock price due to no Switch 2 reveal until 2025. Nintendo still seems totally incapable of having a smooth console transition, they always fall into the trap of software never being ready which leads to a totally barren last year of every hardware they move on from.

Weird that they don't seem to realize that the only logical move from them this year is to build hype for next year, reveal the Switch 2, announce first party games for it and let third party developers announce games for Switch 2, that way they will still have a worthless 2024, but at least the increased hype and anticipation would lead to higher stock price and being part of the mindshare from general consumers and gamers.
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all this over Pyoro of all things...
 
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no need to think, it literally is this. the ESRB rating tells us what to expect


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Nintendo World Championships: NES Edition - ESRB

Nintendo World Championships: NES Edition - Everyone - This is a collection of 2D challenges and platformer games in which players traverse through various modes (e.
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I don't want to jump to conclusions before seeing the game, but this screams "emergency filler release" to pad out the release schedule since the Switch 2 was internally delayed.

Can we at least get a DKCR remaster and ports of Wind Waker/Twilight Princess HD?
 
Well, the discussion is getting a bit bogged down in the Möbius loop, I can understand that people have expectations and anxiety at the same time, and I don't think there's any need to take the various leakers on social media too seriously, and waiting quietly for the event to happen can diffuse most of the anxiety.
 
Lugia667 said:
all this over Pyoro of all things...
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Yeah, hard to not go totally doomer here. I'm scared already of how doomerism will dominate this thread 100 % if Nintendo does not acknowledge the Switch 2 during next week. If that happens the large majority of users will start to doom about a 2026 release date for the Switch 2.
 
I said it in the direct speculation and I'll say it here:

If they don't have a new Donkey Kong out before 2025, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of NSO has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
 
Danny said:
Yeah, hard to not go totally doomer here. I'm scared already of how doomerism will dominate this thread 100 % if Nintendo does not acknowledge the Switch 2 during next week. If that happens the large majority of users will start to doom about a 2026 release date for the Switch 2.
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By the time 2026 comes around, Switch will be as old as the Gameboy was when Gameboy Color came out.
 
Truno said:
I said it in the direct speculation and I'll say it here:

If they don't have a new Donkey Kong out before 2025, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of NSO has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
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If Donkey Kong is your benchmark for whether Nintendo is doing fine or not, then yeah, they should have closed down a long time ago.

Nintendo seems to be doing fine for itself and sustaining their platform better than the competing consoles, from what I can tell. Sony has no major games planned for this fiscal year and Xbox is Xbox. Nintendo had at least three relatively big releases in 2023 and has had a few smaller scale ones in 2024 so far. And it's been working for them.

Never mind I'm an idiot
 
indospot said:
If Donkey Kong is your benchmark for whether Nintendo is doing fine or not, then yeah, they should have closed down a long time ago.

Nintendo seems to be doing fine for itself and sustaining their platform better than the competing consoles, from what I can tell. Sony has no major games planned for this fiscal year and Xbox is Xbox. Nintendo had at least three relatively big releases in 2023 and has had a few smaller scale ones in 2024 so far. And it's been working for them.
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indospot said:
If Donkey Kong is your benchmark for whether Nintendo is doing fine or not, then yeah, they should have closed down a long time ago.

Nintendo seems to be doing fine for itself and sustaining their platform better than the competing consoles, from what I can tell. Sony has no major games planned for this fiscal year and Xbox is Xbox. Nintendo had at least three relatively big releases in 2023 and has had a few smaller scale ones in 2024 so far. And it's been working for them.
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Danny said:
Yeah, hard to not go totally doomer here. I'm scared already of how doomerism will dominate this thread 100 % if Nintendo does not acknowledge the Switch 2 during next week. If that happens the large majority of users will start to doom about a 2026 release date for the Switch 2.
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If you don't wanna go doomer or be bummed out by other doomers you should probably have this thread on ignore. This is literally a thread about scouring breadcrumbs and spinning discussion when there is nothing to discuss. When there is nothing to discuss it's inevitably gonna devolve into people questioning if Nintendo knows what it's doing etc, etc.

I'm not judging anyone by the way, it's just kind of the nature of these speculation threads.
 
TLZ said:
So would that member that was banned be unbanned now?
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Huh? His conduct was horrible. It has nothing to do with which side of the speculation he was on. Read the ban reason.

I mean, there were plenty on same side as him. Why do you think only he was banned and others weren't?
 
Aufhebung RPG said:
Well, the discussion is getting a bit bogged down in the Möbius loop, I can understand that people have expectations and anxiety at the same time, and I don't think there's any need to take the various leakers on social media too seriously, and waiting quietly for the event to happen can diffuse most of the anxiety.
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It reminds me of Hegel's famous quote from the philosophy of history "All great world-historical events and figures may be said to appear twice, the first time as a tragedy, the second time as a joke."Fits well with the current state of the thread.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
-Possibly late 2025
-LPDDR5
-Missing three architectural generations of improvement on NVIDIA cards
-LCD screen

This thing could end up feeling really outdated like a year after launch and it probably won't get a follow-up system until like 2035 D:
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There's no sign that Switch 2 will be delayed beyond early 2025.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
-Possibly late 2025
-LPDDR5
-Missing three architectural generations of improvement on NVIDIA cards
-LCD screen

This thing could end up feeling really outdated like a year after launch and it probably won't get a follow-up system until like 2035 D:
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What i think went wrong for Nintendo is that the continued success of the Switch made them far too complacent when it came to start developing games for the Switch 2, instead they continued too long to only develop games for Switch, which lead to a shitshow when it came to Switch 2 game development. I think Nintendo made a big miscalculation there, they totally prioritized only short term success to have as many games release on Switch as possible leading them to have no good pipeline when it came to having games ready for Switch 2. Which led them to now having to release hardware that will be 3-4 years dated when it is eventually released.

I think that is a main weakness of Nintendo, Sony will have no problem abandoning a successful console generation even if it still sells good, while Nintendo find it hard to abandon a well selling product and move forward into a console transition. They only find it easy to do if the hardware is dead like the gamecube, Wii, and Wii U was they moved on from those.
 
Danny said:
What i think went wrong for Nintendo is that the continued success of the Switch made them far too complacent when it came to start developing games for the Switch 2, instead they continued too long to only develop games for Switch, which lead to a shitshow when it came to Switch 2 game development. I think Nintendo made a big miscalculation there, they totally prioritized only short term success to have as many games release on Switch as possible leading them to have no good pipeline when it came to having games ready for Switch 2. Which led them to now having to release hardware that will be 3-4 years dated when it is eventually released.
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lord we doing "Arrogant Nintendo" now too? :rolleyes:
 
Danny said:
What i think went wrong for Nintendo is that the continued success of the Switch made them far too complacent when it came to start developing games for the Switch 2, instead they continued too long to only develop games for Switch, which lead to a shitshow when it came to Switch 2 game development. I think Nintendo made a big miscalculation there, they totally prioritized only short term success to have as many games release on Switch as possible leading them to have no good pipeline when it came to having games ready for Switch 2. Which led them to now having to release hardware that will be 3-4 years dated when it is eventually released.
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This is a whole lot of unnecessary paranoia amigo....
 
Mer.Saloon said:
If you don't wanna go doomer or be bummed out by other doomers you should probably have this thread on ignore. This is literally a thread about scouring breadcrumbs and spinning discussion when there is nothing to discuss. When there is nothing to discuss it's inevitably gonna devolve into people questioning if Nintendo knows what it's doing etc, etc.

I'm not judging anyone by the way, it's just kind of the nature of these speculation threads.
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Danny said:
What i think went wrong for Nintendo is that the continued success of the Switch made them far too complacent when it came to start developing games for the Switch 2, instead they continued too long to only develop games for Switch, which lead to a shitshow when it came to Switch 2 game development. I think Nintendo made a big miscalculation there, they totally prioritized only short term success to have as many games release on Switch as possible leading them to have no good pipeline when it came to having games ready for Switch 2. Which led them to now having to release hardware that will be 3-4 years dated when it is eventually released.

I think that is a main weakness of Nintendo, Sony will have no problem abandoning a successful console generation even if it still sells good, while Nintendo find it hard to abandon a well selling product and move forward into a console transition. They only find it easy to do if the hardware is dead like the gamecube, Wii, and Wii U was they moved on from those.
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Perfect Case
 
Danny said:
What i think went wrong for Nintendo is that the continued success of the Switch made them far too complacent when it came to start developing games for the Switch 2, instead they continued too long to only develop games for Switch, which lead to a shitshow when it came to Switch 2 game development. I think Nintendo made a big miscalculation there, they totally prioritized only short term success to have as many games release on Switch as possible leading them to have no good pipeline when it came to having games ready for Switch 2. Which led them to now having to release hardware that will be 3-4 years dated when it is eventually released.
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poor take
it's 99% certain switch 2 is going to be retrocompatible with switch 1 that said, games developed for switch right now could easily be tweaked to run better and look prettier on switch 2 and if nintendo wanted to, they could restrict the launch of some of these games to only switch 2.
 
Cheetah6442 said:
This is a whole lot of unnecessary paranoia amigo....
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Not paranoia, that just seems like a likely explanation of what happened. The Switch software and hardware sales were so good that Nintendo had a hard time to say to 1 of their development teams ''You will now start developing games for the Switch 2 and move on from the Switch''. Its likely that they had pretty much all their teams involved in Switch games until the point in time it became hard to get Switch 2 software ready for even a 2025 release of the Switch 2.
 
I'm tempted to call people names, but it would be against the community rules and I choose to hold back, but given the number of times this person has spread alarmist theories, I've chosen to block him
 
robertman2 said:
god i hate NES nostalgia crap so much
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People might get mad over this but it’s true, legendary games of course but man Nintendo is grasping at straws. When is this supposed to be announced anyway? I’m really confused about Nintendos year now, definitely feels like they are throwing stuff out here now because of the delay.
 
You know, I feel I should be more bummed out by this news, but for some reason I'm honestly feeling fine.

Danny said:
Not paranoia, that just seems like a likely explanation of what happened. The Switch software and hardware sales were so good that Nintendo had a hard time to say to 1 of their development teams ''You will now start developing games for the Switch 2 and move on from the Switch''. Its likely that they had pretty much all their teams involved in Switch games until the point in time it becamse hard to get Switch 2 software ready for even a 2025 release of the Switch 2.
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Moving on from one system to the other isn't something that can just happen like that these days. They'd have had to have started active development at least year 3 or 4 of the OG Switch. And that would ultimately cost the OG Switch software ala what happened to the Wii U. And when a system is doing well, sabotaging it to move on just isn't a thing you do.

Instro said:
LOL sounds like emergency filler ala Mario 3D All Stars.
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This game probably started development at least a year ago. It's hard for any game to be emergency filler unless it's stuff like the 99 games. Filler, yes, but not an emergency. Game development is so slow nowadays, there's little that can be emergency.
 
Danny said:
Not paranoia, that just seems like a likely explanation of what happened. The Switch software and hardware sales were so good that Nintendo had a hard time to say to 1 of their development teams ''You will now start developing games for the Switch 2 and move on from the Switch''. Its likely that they had pretty much all their teams involved in Switch games until the point in time it became hard to get Switch 2 software ready for even a 2025 release of the Switch 2.
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Aside from 2 Splatoon games in 1 generation, what other key teams do you think prioritized Switch 1 development over Switch 2? Wouldn't we have another 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc on Switch 1 if that was the case.

I guess the other anomaly would be 2 Paper Mario and Zelda games in one gen. But in the case of PM it's their first remake of a previous title, and Zelda was a direct sequel
 
gnetc said:
People might get mad over this but it’s true, legendary games of course but man Nintendo is grasping at straws. When is this supposed to be announced anyway? I’m really confused about Nintendos year now, definitely feels like they are throwing stuff out here now because of the delay.
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There is a large case to be made about Nintendo's usage of nostalgia being one of the best in any industry, but good god they've overplayed their hand for years now. I love several NES titles, but there's only so many times they can be shown before I just start getting annoyed by it. Yes it's supplemented by new stuff also, but there's only so many times I can be interested in NES Soccer... so once.

Small blessing, if you see it this way, is that I think this Nintendo World Championship game might actually be made in a series tbh. "NES Edition" is implying that it's not the only edition, which is a bit weird. Maybe we'll see NWC: N64 edition where you have to kill Gohma in a minute.... yep.
 
kasparov77 said:
poor take
it's 99% certain switch 2 is going to be retrocompatible with switch 1 that said, games developed for switch right now could easily be tweaked to run better and look prettier on switch 2 and if nintendo wanted to, they could restrict the launch of some of these games to only switch 2.
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I'm not talking about BC games. I'm saying Nintendo started too late developing their Switch 2 exclusive launch games, making it hard for them to be ready in time. That doesn't seem like such a wild theory at all. Its likely that the good software sales of the Switch played a part in them wanting their development teams to continue to make Switch games, which led to a late start for these teams when it came to shifting their development over to making the Switch 2 launch games.

This isn't a new problem for Nintendo. As a Nintendo employee said before ''The hardware is ready, the software isn't.'' That is a usual Nintendo problem when it comes to transitioning to new hardware.
 
Danny said:
Not paranoia, that just seems like a likely explanation of what happened. The Switch software and hardware sales were so good that Nintendo had a hard time to say to 1 of their development teams ''You will now start developing games for the Switch 2 and move on from the Switch''. Its likely that they had pretty much all their teams involved in Switch games until the point in time it became hard to get Switch 2 software ready for even a 2025 release of the Switch 2.
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it's also true that Nintendo needs 1st party games more than Sony and Microsoft, we can expect i think 10-15 games from nintendo alone every year. While it is possible that they mismanaged their development team during this transition period is also real that for them these transition periods are instrinsically harder to handle
 
kingman said:
And switch 2 being able to run Doom Eternal with equivalent quality of the other two consoles was my personal baseline for satisfaction, so this makes me quite the happy panda.
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Pretty much. The PS4 version of Doom Eternal runs at dynamic 1080p - it can drop as low as 764p, according to Digital Foundry. I think the Switch 2 version would just go for a fixed 720p before upscaling - so, 1080p DLSS Quality Mode. Should allow for a hard-locked 60fps with excellent image quality.
 
NWC:NES rated by ratings board -> Switch 2 delayed to 2042 -> Will be most outdated piece of tech ever conceived upon release, just like we should have all known!

This thread is always a fun ride 😂. Anyway, who wants to argue with me about chopped-off child-fingers?
 
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it's also true that Nintendo needs 1st party games more than Sony and Microsoft, we can expect i think more 10-15 games from nintendo alone every year. While it is possible that they mismanaged their development team during this transition period is also real that for them these transition periods are instrinsically harder to handle
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At least in the switch era, Nintendo's dev management was top notch, and the mismanagement of devs due to HD-ified game development in the wiiu era having to juggle 3ds game development won't be repeated after the switch.
 
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