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I have no idea how "Pyoro was talking about NES roms" = "Switch 2 might not make 2025", but y'all do y'all.

redmutineer75 said:
The first part about history repeating twice is from Hegel's Lectues on the Philosophy of History, but "first as tragedy, second as farce" is from Marx's The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte.
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Aufhebung RPG said:
No, this quote in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte is a quote by Marx from Hegel, not an original Marx quote
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Putting "philosophy" on the list of things I didn't expect to learn in this thread.
 
MusicProposition said:
This whole Switch Pro/2 thing continues to be extremely frustrating. Didn’t expect it to top 2016, but it does because it’s dragging for such a long time.
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Right looking back now, i didnt realize how good we had it, we had an official codename, Nintendo acknowledging its existence and we had a release timing plus we only had to deal with crazy rumors during a like a six month window of 2016 until October
 
OctoSplattack said:
I have no idea how "Pyoro was talking about NES roms" = "Switch 2 might not make 2025", but y'all do y'all.
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When suspicions aren't confirmed, for whatever reason, people approach the despair event horizon with open arms. That is the way of this thread apparently.

Though seriously, y'all need to calm down. Just because the bird was talking about something else, it doesn't spell the end. Enjoy the ride that exists.
 
SoldierDelta said:
When suspicions aren't confirmed, for whatever reason, people approach the despair event horizon with open arms. That is the way of this thread apparently.

Though seriously, y'all need to calm down. Just because the bird was talking about something else, it doesn't spell the end. Enjoy the ride that exists.
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Often those with the highest expectations are disappointed the more they are disappointed, this is the thread about speculation after all, and in my opinion this is not fundamentally different from previous Nintendos, the difference is that Furukawa's operational strategy is more rational and guarded than Iwata's, and I think nowadays Nintendo needs stability and a steady userbase compared to the kind of gambler's traits that were present in the Iwata era.
 
Aufhebung RPG said:
No, this quote in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte is a quote by Marx from Hegel, not an original Marx quote
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This is getting very off topic, so I'll stop here, but Marx directly invokes Hegel in the quote, then adds to it. From Saul K. Padover's translation of the 1869 edition: "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."
 
Aufhebung RPG said:
Often those with the highest expectations are disappointed the more they are disappointed, this is the thread about speculation after all, and in my opinion this is not fundamentally different from previous Nintendos, the difference is that Furukawa's operational strategy is more rational and guarded than Iwata's, and I think nowadays Nintendo needs stability and a steady userbase compared to the kind of gambler's traits that were present in the Iwata era.
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also the only people affected by this announcement is us. It's not the general audience. So the idea that it is some dramatic failure or mismanagement is frankly ridiculous.
 
Steve said:
Eh, we have already talked about it to death it seems, also the only noticeable aspect would be the magnets in my opinion.

But i'm quite intrigued by the bulge that the Dock will have behind it, because it can mean that it'll have some sort of cooling system or even a fan. With that the Switch can reach more teraflops, without it overheating.
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So it could have a cooling/fan system in the main unit and a second one in the dock?
 
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redmutineer75 said:
This is getting very off topic, so I'll stop here, but Marx directly invokes Hegel in the quote, but adds to it. From Saul K. Padover's translation of the 1869 edition: "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."
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Yes, I re-read Lectures On The Philosophy Of History and Hegel did only say the first half of the sentence.
 
Hocot8 said:
Some of y'all need to take a step back from this thread if you are this disappointed. And maybe learn how to reel in expectations when stuff like this happens or you keep setting yourself up for immense disappointment.

And this isn't me saying "told ya so" because I was in the same boat that Pyoro was hinting at something a little more than just a NES NSO game drop lol.


probably shouldn't blame the bird cause people here got a little out of hand with expectations.
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You can blame the dumb bird when he seen that people were very clearly getting higher expectations to the point where Switch 2 was trending and he let it keep going for nearly 24 hours without even the slightest clarification that it wasn't Switch 2 related, also i dont care if people think i am overreacting but i have personally blocked the bird for this mass troll
 
So best case for May 7th Nintendo confirms next gen will release this fiscal year.
Medium case Nintendo say nothing to announce at this time.
Worst case Nintendo states that there will not be hardware launching this fiscal year please understand.
 
Danny said:
I'm not talking about BC games. I'm saying Nintendo started too late developing their Switch 2 exclusive launch games, making it hard for them to be ready in time. That doesn't seem like such a wild theory at all. Its likely that the good software sales of the Switch played a part in them wanting their development teams to continue to make Switch games, which led to a late start for these teams when it came to shifting their development over to making the Switch 2 launch games.

This isn't a new problem for Nintendo. As a Nintendo employee said before ''The hardware is ready, the software isn't.'' That is a usual Nintendo problem when it comes to transitioning to new hardware.
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yeah but my point was that any game being made for switch 1 that's near completion or already done* could simply be tweaked in terms of resolution, draw distance, lighting and framerate and released as a switch 2 exclusive instead
*as we found out nintendo likes to hold certain finished games for release a couple months later
 
NintenDuvo said:
Right looking back now, i didnt realize how good we had it, we had an official codename, Nintendo acknowledging its existence and we had a release timing plus we only had to deal with crazy rumors during a like a six month window of 2016 until October
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Not true at all lol

Do we need to remember the AMD vs Nvidia argument? Or the rumored PS4 (or more) power for like 10 months? Or the rumor for like a year straight of NX versions of games that never came to be (similar to Switch 2 version game rumors today)

Back then it was even worse because the Wii U had...... Star Fox Zero for basically the entire year of 2016
 
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  • Aula instead of Switch Pro
  • Switch 2 delayed until 2025
  • (Our fault, admittedly) Pyoro tweet was for NWC game
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All seriousness though, I still think that we'll hear something next week. Just have a gut feeling. Plus, the fact that so many insiders reacted so strongly to Pyoro's tweet means there might be some smoke? I dunno, the reactions were kinda strange.
 
kvetcha said:
Brie's an oddball, but she's a good actress. I don't understand the hate.
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It's just part of the culture war crap. I know a couple people who are loudly anti-Brie and seriously it comes down to them insisting she's a misandrist on top of the belief that there never shoulda been a Captain Marvel movie in the first place because "Disney is forcing the feminist agenda on us." Like GG2.0 garbage but for Hollywood.
 
Guys idk if this is out of place but last night I played endless ocean while smoking a big doobie and omfg it was therapeutic xD
 
I think any talk about frustration needs to take into account the time that's already passed rather than how much longer we might have to wait.

Many of us (like me) legitimately expected Switch 2 to arrive in H1 of 2023. And that wasn't considered at all unreasonable at the time! Remember the rumours of 10 dev studios having DLSS enabled devkits? That was, in fact, in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty ONE. 2021!

What's worse is knowing all this stuff about Dane / Drake / T239 (not that I really understand it) since mid 2022. It might be illogical, but it makes it feel like this is a product that could or should be out by now, but isn't, and is "aging" before it's even released. Some cleverboots might counter that mobile tech isn't improving much anyway (I don't know), but I'm making an emotional argument rather than a technical one here. Knowing so much about the actual system makes the wait feel worse.

If a buddy asks you for one month to pay back some small debt and you say no, your other friends might say you're unreasonable - hey, it's a friend, you really can't wait a month? If you mention that he's been asking for "1 month" for three years, then it's suddenly totally understandable. It's the context of the past three years that's making this so miserable.

I remember getting the Switch in May 2017 and being super disappointed at how little of a boost it was over the Wii U as a home console, which is how I would be using it. My only consolation was that as mobile-powered tech, it would surely be on a faster upgrade cycle. If you had told me back then that we wouldn't get an upgrade/sequel console until 2025, I simply could never have believed you. That was an impossible nightmare-world scenario, "Nintendo gonna Nintendo" taken to an absurdity. I would have bet my entire life savings against it. So for me, the whole wait is viewed in that context.
 
Heron said:
If you had told me back then that we wouldn't get an upgrade/sequel console until 2025, I simply could never have believed you. That was an impossible nightmare-world scenario, "Nintendo gonna Nintendo" taken to an absurdity. I would have bet my entire life savings against it. So for me, the whole wait is viewed in that context.
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But, this is literally the only concrete thing Nintendo has said about the Switch's lifecycle lol. The "ten-year plan" was staring at us in the face all along, even before the pandemic
 
Truno said:
But, this is literally the only concrete thing Nintendo has said about the Switch's lifecycle lol. The "ten-year plan" was staring at us in the face all along, even before the pandemic
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I’ve been saying this for the longest time as well.
Why kill the cow when it’s still giving milk.
Only way Nintendo wouldn’t stretch switch is if it was mediocre in sales. A great selling system gives them more time to cook the successor
 
Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you don't release a brand new console over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after not getting a Switch 2 for so many years, is not going to want to purchase a Switch 2 or any other Nintendo product ever again. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nintendo has alienated an entire market by not releasing a Switch 2 by now.

Nintendo, publicly apologize and announce the Switch 2 and Switch 3 right away or you can kiss your business goodbye.

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EDIT: Apparently people can't detect this is a copypasta joke. So let me just say THIS IS A JOKE POST. Thank You!
 
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Concernt said:
Pessimistic is rarely the same as being realistic. Again. Don't worry too much.
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I actually agree with most ofl the bullet points, I just don't see them as pessimistic.
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
-Possibly late 2025
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Who knows, could happen.
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
-LPDDR5
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I would say it's 50-50 lpddr5 or lpddr5x. 12 or 16 gb.
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
-Missing three architectural generations of improvement on NVIDIA cards
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I don't know of he counts three. 2 at most, Lovelace and Blackwell. The thing is that, we're still getting the node and efficiency upgrade, which is by far the most significant feature of Lovelace. Frame gen woudnt have been particularly useful in a handheld either way. A 4 nm ampere chip is definitely not night and day worse than a Lovelace chip.

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
-LCD screen
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Probably. Personally hoping for reflective igzo. Also lcd has gained improvements since Switch 1 came out.

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This thing could end up feeling really outdated like a year after launch and it probably won't get a follow-up system until like 2035 D:
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Outdated compared to what? Which mobile socs with comparable power budget will have leaps and bounds better video game performance?
 
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Truno said:
But, this is literally the only concrete thing Nintendo has said about the Switch's lifecycle lol. The "ten-year plan" was staring at us in the face all along, even before the pandemic
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What companies say in corporate statements regarding long-term planning means next-to-nothing, because they'll always present the best possible outcome to shareholders. The moments circumstances change, plans change.

Nintendo themselves is famous for this kind of thing. They have nothing to announce until they suddenly do, they're staying the course until they suddenly pivot. I guarantee the Wii U wasn't planned to have a lifecycle of 3-4 years, lol. In the absence of Covid and the delays it brought to development + the insane revenue boost it added... would we really still be waiting for Switch 2? I don't actually think so. Circumstances matter more than 5+ year old plans.

Also, you can release a successor after the standard 6 years and still have a 10 year "lifecycle" with cross-gen games and third party support. I'm pretty sure that's what most people on Nintendo forums assumed they were talking about. Not that it might actually be 10 years until we see a successor! (Which... it might lol)
 
Kevin said:
Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you don't release a brand new console over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after not getting a Switch 2 for so many years, is not going to want to purchase a Switch 2 or any other Nintendo product ever again. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nintendo has alienated an entire market by not releasing a Switch 2 by now.

Nintendo, publicly apologize and announce the Switch 2 and Switch 3 right away or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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I won't be reading the thread again until May 7th because I can't understand the incompetent rage that there are people out there, your Orientalist style cultural studies are simply incapable of comprehending what Japan is, and I suggest that you retract your self-confidence.
 
Aufhebung RPG said:
I won't be reading the thread again until May 7th because I can't understand the incompetent rage that there are people out there, your Orientalist style cultural studies are simply incapable of comprehending what Japan is, and I suggest that you retract your self-confidence.
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It was a joke post. A copypasta if you will. I never expected a Switch 2 announcement from Pyoro lol.
 
Switcharoo said:
Okay, chill out now..
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Aufhebung RPG said:
I won't be reading the thread again until May 7th because I can't understand the incompetent rage that there are people out there, your Orientalist style cultural studies are simply incapable of comprehending what Japan is, and I suggest that you retract your self-confidence.
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Heron said:
What companies say in corporate statements regarding long-term planning means next-to-nothing, because they'll always present the best possible outcome to shareholders. The moments circumstances change, plans change.
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Well, to be fair, their best possible scenario was reaching 100m units sold with the 10 year plan, we're way past that now. So, technically, they could extend their plan even longer! Lol

Heron said:
Also, you can release a successor after the standard 6 years and still have a 10 year "lifecycle" with cross-gen games and third party support. I'm pretty sure that's what most people on Nintendo forums assumed they were talking about. Not that it might actually be 10 years until we see a successor! (Which... it might lol)
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Six years isn't standard, though. Both the PS4 and Xbox one had 7-8 year life cycles, I think. Perhaps it was the norm for Nintendo before, but that was before they consolidated their development pipeline into one device
 
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Heron said:
I think any talk about frustration needs to take into account the time that's already passed rather than how much longer we might have to wait.

Many of us (like me) legitimately expected Switch 2 to arrive in H1 of 2023. And that wasn't considered at all unreasonable at the time! Remember the rumours of 10 dev studios having DLSS enabled devkits? That was, in fact, in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty ONE. 2021!

What's worse is knowing all this stuff about Dane / Drake / T239 (not that I really understand it) since mid 2022. It might be illogical, but it makes it feel like this is a product that could or should be out by now, but isn't, and is "aging" before it's even released. Some cleverboots might counter that mobile tech isn't improving much anyway (I don't know), but I'm making an emotional argument rather than a technical one here. Knowing so much about the actual system makes the wait feel worse.

If a buddy asks you for one month to pay back some small debt and you say no, your other friends might say you're unreasonable - hey, it's a friend, you really can't wait a month? If you mention that he's been asking for "1 month" for three years, then it's suddenly totally understandable. It's the context of the past three years that's making this so miserable.

I remember getting the Switch in May 2017 and being super disappointed at how little of a boost it was over the Wii U as a home console, which is how I would be using it. My only consolation was that as mobile-powered tech, it would surely be on a faster upgrade cycle. If you had told me back then that we wouldn't get an upgrade/sequel console until 2025, I simply could never have believed you. That was an impossible nightmare-world scenario, "Nintendo gonna Nintendo" taken to an absurdity. I would have bet my entire life savings against it. So for me, the whole wait is viewed in that context.
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I'm in the believe that Covid affected Nintendos plans so deeply, that it's one of the main reasons we'll be getting it in 2025.
like in a world where covid didn't happen, the Switch would have been possibly a 60-90M system seller, but with covid came a huge influx of new fans, that realised ,, Wow, this system is pretty good''

like @Concernt mentioned i think yesterday, we are still seeing the affects of Covid, instead for Nintendo it was more favourable.

Also because people are still buying a system in it's 8th year, like godamn how is that possible, even the Wii didn't have that.
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Kevin said:
Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you don't release a brand new console over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after not getting a Switch 2 for so many years, is not going to want to purchase a Switch 2 or any other Nintendo product ever again. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nintendo has alienated an entire market by not releasing a Switch 2 by now.

Nintendo, publicly apologize and announce the Switch 2 and Switch 3 right away or you can kiss your business goodbye.

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EDIT: Apparently people can't detect this is a copypasta joke. So let me just say THIS IS A JOKE POST. Thank You!
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THERE IT ISSSSSSSSS
 
Steve said:
I'm in the believe that Covid affected Nintendos plans so deeply, that it's one of the main reasons we'll be getting it in 2025.
like in a world where covid didn't happen, the Switch would have been possibly a 60-90M system seller, but with covid came a huge influx of new fans, that realised ,, Wow, this system is pretty good''

like @Concernt mentioned i think yesterday, we are still seeing the affects of Covid, instead for Nintendo it was more favourable.

Also because people are still buying a system in it's 8th year, like godamn how is that possible, even the Wii didn't have that.
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Covid did give the Switch a good boost, but this is implying that the Switch wouldn't be as successful(or even surpassed the Wii) through its own merits and I personally do not believe this.
 
Steve said:
I'm in the believe that Covid affected Nintendos plans so deeply, that it's one of the main reasons we'll be getting it in 2025.
like in a world where covid didn't happen, the Switch would have been possibly a 60-90M system seller, but with covid came a huge influx of new fans, that realised ,, Wow, this system is pretty good''

like @Concernt mentioned i think yesterday, we are still seeing the affects of Covid, instead for Nintendo it was more favourable.

Also because people are still buying a system in it's 8th year, like godamn how is that possible, even the Wii didn't have that.
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This is a very great comment. Covid changed the plans way more that we can think probably.

But if people are still buying Switch 1, it's also a great time to give them Switch 2. New potential consumers + old ones waiting to upgrade is a big deal.
 
Kevin said:
Nintendo just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you don't release a brand new console over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the Japanese public, after not getting a Switch 2 for so many years, is not going to want to purchase a Switch 2 or any other Nintendo product ever again. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Nintendo has alienated an entire market by not releasing a Switch 2 by now.

Nintendo, publicly apologize and announce the Switch 2 and Switch 3 right away or you can kiss your business goodbye.

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EDIT: Apparently people can't detect this is a copypasta joke. So let me just say THIS IS A JOKE POST. Thank You!
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Ahhh what a classic.
 
I'm not trying to say this as a "gotcha" but I thought the hype around that Pyoro post was a bit optimistic from the beginning. The only reason why I thought there was even a possibility of it being related to Switch 2 was people like MVG and Midori (who I don't know anything about other than she is apparently a Sega insider with a good track record) being coy about it.

This doesn't affect anything regarding any plans (if they exist) to announce Switch 2 in the upcoming weeks so it's irritating that people in this thread have somehow convinced themselves that Switch 2 is doomed. That Pyoro didn't say that the tweet wasn't about Switch 2 also doesn't mean anything; because like many of us in this thread they are probably expecting something Switch 2 related soon even if they don't have any sources for it, so it would hurt their credibility if they did the whole "DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT!" bit only for Switch 2 to be announced on the 7th. I don't expect Pyoro to say or maybe even know anything about Switch 2 in advance.
 
Hermii said:
I actually agree with all the bullet points, I just don't see them as pessimistic.
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I think you meant all but one bullet points since you definitely seem to disagree with the "Missing three architectural generations of improvement on NVIDIA cards" bullet point.
 
Cheetah6442 said:
Covid did give the Switch a good boost, but this is implying that the Switch wouldn't be as successful(or even surpassed the Wii) through its own merits and I personally do not believe this.
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The Switch in my opinion saw a huge influx when Covid happened, both hardware and software.
Also surpisingly enough the Oled model is becoming the new norm.

Also 2023 kinda gave a new life to the Switch, like how we saw that happen with Animal crossing.

Also i didn't mention the Switch wouldn't be successful, just that Nintendo would have moved on quicker with NG Switch if Covid didn't happen.

the source is from Nintendo themself: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2024/240206_4e.pdf
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OctoSplattack said:
I have no idea how "Pyoro was talking about NES roms" = "Switch 2 might not make 2025", but y'all do y'all.



Putting "philosophy" on the list of things I didn't expect to learn in this thread.
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Pyoro's words have become firewater.
Any trickle outta them will catch a blaze at this point.

I still find it funny stuff in places like X had interpretations such as "OMG, 4 SWITCH 2 SKUs CONFIRMED AT LAUNCH"
 
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