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Yes I'm well aware of that. The point is that you can fix how some games look right now while we wait for the Switch 2 to come out.
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Discussion According to @Brazil podcast 'X do Controle' Nintendo Switch 2 will release in march 2025 - Summary updated [Eurogamer is corroborating]
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ziggyrivers
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lmao that is one hell of an interesting circumstance xD
Giancarlo
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no, Nintendo is using all this profit to expand it internal/subsidiaries development capacity, and that excelent, because more personel for more amazing games on us.
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It was more a slight jab at the idea that the console being backwards compatible makes everything cross-gen and thus nullifies the effects of cross-gen efforts. The Wii could technically play Gamecube's Twilight Princess, though the controller and memory aspects might make it not quite 1:1.
I agree Metroid having a cross-gen presence is for the best. It helps keep it from being left behind as a relic of the old Switch, but doesn't close off the vast numbers of prospective customers who won't be obtaining the the new console any time soon.
Granted, there's still the question of what a cross-gen strategy might end up looking like (Though I don't think simply patching the games obtains the same marketing effect -- and that's beyond my desire to have everything on the cartridge, including console-specific improvements). I'm still partial to the Switch+ game line I keep mentioning. It keeps things simple for production and supply lines, as well as the prospective customer, while communicating the cross-gen element.
Yes, exactly. Been saying it should have a different name since it was announced.
It also maintains Prime as more of its own entity, which can be useful in marketing that in particular (expect a remastered Prime Trilogy on Switch+/cross-gen to consolidate the offerings and make use of new capabilities).
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This isn't productive to say so I'm sorry if it feels mean spirited, but this news+the whole partner showcase business over the last week is easily the least chill I've ever seen this community...
I understand the disappointment, but what I see from many is anger, and I have troubles understanding why. Is it just because the disappointment is so strong that it turns to anger? Is it from some place of concern for Nintendo? Or is it because people feel owed a release right when they personally think it would be best?
Anyway, it's all just off to me. We really have no way of knowing what the actual release timeline is gonna be until Nintendo decides to break silence on this. We have only ever gotten second hand information from people with early plans not intended for us. There should be a natural assumption that all information of this nature is three times as subject to change as information the company actually shares.
Anyway, at this rate I'll be happy with it anytime in the first half of 2025. Really just hope it gets announced in some way sooner than later.
I understand the disappointment, but what I see from many is anger, and I have troubles understanding why. Is it just because the disappointment is so strong that it turns to anger? Is it from some place of concern for Nintendo? Or is it because people feel owed a release right when they personally think it would be best?
Anyway, it's all just off to me. We really have no way of knowing what the actual release timeline is gonna be until Nintendo decides to break silence on this. We have only ever gotten second hand information from people with early plans not intended for us. There should be a natural assumption that all information of this nature is three times as subject to change as information the company actually shares.
Anyway, at this rate I'll be happy with it anytime in the first half of 2025. Really just hope it gets announced in some way sooner than later.
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My (unreasonable) hope is that it's been changed to a Switch 2 game a while ago, but again I don't think it's likely.
Eclissi
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I would speak more of frustration, understandable since after Mario Wonder (released 4 months ago), on the horizon there seems to be only Princess Peach as well as remakes and some DLC... And the rumor about the Partner Showcase makes this prospect even more desolate.
y'all got to stop replying to this troll lmao. It's not worth it.
I think you hit it right on the head. I think people consumed too much of the speculation around the switch 2 and instead of blaming themselves, which humans are notorious of, they have to blame others. They have to redirect that anger at something or someone. It's either just pure anger or it's disappointment that has manifested itself into anger. It's just slightly immature and absurd to be so angry when it may not even matter after this thing comes out.
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Can I ask why you are so pessimistic? I feel like virtually every post I've seen from you in this thread and elsewhere has been extraordinarily negative. I know Nintendo has made really bad decisions in the past, but you might be bordering on cynical with your outlook. Nintendo is not the same company they were in the Wii U era, and I don't think it's entirely fair to assume they will completely tank their success in this year and the next.
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4-6 months is less than the gap between BotW and Mario Odyssey.
At that time whether or not you were interested in Zelda, you were waiting for games to be released for the Switch, passing the time with BotW or smaller titles.
While it would be nice to have the hardware in hand for the holidays this year, we will be waiting for big first-party exclusives and third-party games regardless. A push to March 2025 means those games will be more immediately available.
From my gamer bubble perspective, it would have been lovely to just receive a Switch 2 this year and just play enhanced BC Switch 1 games. I don't think Nintendo believes this is a viable strategy to launch their console. Besides, enhanced BC patches also requires dev time and testing. There's no guarantee those would have been available this holiday either.
The minor exhaustion is understandable from the perspective of someone following hardware speculation for years and hearing 'one more year' constantly, but it is absolutely transparent how some feel the need to air out their worst, most pessimistic, uninformed takes because they interpret this as a show of incompetence.
At that time whether or not you were interested in Zelda, you were waiting for games to be released for the Switch, passing the time with BotW or smaller titles.
While it would be nice to have the hardware in hand for the holidays this year, we will be waiting for big first-party exclusives and third-party games regardless. A push to March 2025 means those games will be more immediately available.
From my gamer bubble perspective, it would have been lovely to just receive a Switch 2 this year and just play enhanced BC Switch 1 games. I don't think Nintendo believes this is a viable strategy to launch their console. Besides, enhanced BC patches also requires dev time and testing. There's no guarantee those would have been available this holiday either.
The minor exhaustion is understandable from the perspective of someone following hardware speculation for years and hearing 'one more year' constantly, but it is absolutely transparent how some feel the need to air out their worst, most pessimistic, uninformed takes because they interpret this as a show of incompetence.
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True, they develop it for too many years and launch it in 2 different hardwares can be used as a showcase how much better the Switch 2 can do. Plus can be a thermometer to see how sales split between Switch and Switch 2 over the years.
I believe that this will be the least big game they will do multiplat. All others, like a New Mario ou Smash will be Switch 2 exclusives.
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Currently, we're in Fiscal Year 2024, so it's why he says next FY (because we haven't reached FY2025 yet).
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People keep saying Prime 4 being saved for Switch 2 is inevitable but this is the key differentiator: Zelda games got held for launch of a new gen when it was being developed for a console that everyone already moved on from. If TP came out on GameCube alone it would've floundered there. Obviously same with BOTW and Wii U. Switch userbase is still so active and people are buying Nintendo games in droves; Switch 1 is still the best place to launch it. Also, it's worth remembering: Metroid Prime is a critical darling, not a sales one. For a first party Nintendo offering on a new console, Prime 4 just isn't going to push people to buy a new console like a 3D Zelda or 3D Mario would. And Nintendo only launches consoles with 1 major first-party IP at a time. There's absolutely no reason to hold it for Switch 2 and not release it for Switch 1 this year, IF it's ready.
And tbh it better be ready. We're waiting longer for this than we are Skull and Bones at this point. Just put it out.
And tbh it better be ready. We're waiting longer for this than we are Skull and Bones at this point. Just put it out.
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I am of behalf Nintendo isn't going to release MP4 for Switch 1 only if Nintendo was planning on a Switch 2 version as well (and I'd be very surprised if they're not planning a Switch 2 MP4 version).
I also am of behalf Nintendo's not even going to mention MP4 for Switch 1 in a Direct until it can be mentioned it's for Switch 2 too.
The reason: you don't want pissed off consumers who bought Switch version of MP4, only to realize there's also Switch 2 version coming, and they are stuck with Switch version. I would be pissed off if I bought MP4 for Switch, and later it turns out they're also releasing Switch 2 version (because I'm planning to buy Switch 2 on launch day and would rather experience MP4 on Switch 2)
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I mean, there are two possible reasons Nintendo didn’t show Prime 4 at the September Direct and didn’t have a February Direct that had Prime 4.
1. Prime 4 is still a long way from completion
2. Prime 4 is being saved for the Switch 2
Neither point to 2024.
The September Direct was pretty dire in terms of new Nintendo announcements and a Prime 4 reveal would have gotten people a lot more excited for 2024. Bayonetta 3 was re revealed 13 months before release as well.
1. Prime 4 is still a long way from completion
2. Prime 4 is being saved for the Switch 2
Neither point to 2024.
The September Direct was pretty dire in terms of new Nintendo announcements and a Prime 4 reveal would have gotten people a lot more excited for 2024. Bayonetta 3 was re revealed 13 months before release as well.
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Ehh you can always delay the Switch 2 version until a year after the Switch 1 version, slap on a "definitive edition" tag, and include any dlc on the cart. Whatever grumbling the gamers (tm) make on social media will be quieted by them all mostly rebuying it again.
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As I mentioned, that would be kind of shitty thing to do. I'm not going to rebuy MP4 in a span of 2 years (first for Switch, again for Switch 2).
So between Switch and Switch 2 versions for MP4, I would much prefer to play it on Switch 2 - it's exactly the kind of game that would look great on Switch 2.
I think they'd handle this kinda like BOTW was released on both Wii U and Switch at the same time.
It would be fine however if they release MP4 for Switch before Switch 2 and DO make it clear there's also a Switch 2 version coming. In that case I'd just wait.
I was mostly referring to scenario where Nintendo releases MP4 for Switch and months later go "Oh by the way, we also have Switch 2 version of MP4, surprise!" after consumers have already bought Switch version.
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Yeah, that already crossed my mind. I'm kind of wondering if a Switch 2 patch on Switch version of MP4 will bring equivalent experience as a straight up Switch 2 version.
Will Switch 2 version come packaged with better assets (textures, etc)?
If yes, then my question is, will Switch 2 patch on Switch version of MP4 (if such a thing is made available), will the patch also include upgraded assets? Because that's going to make the download MUCH bigger in a hurry. If it was simply to make MP4 run on Switch 2 natively (adding NVN2 or whatever), without upgraded assets, then it's a scenario where I'd prefer to have Switch 2 version, because a Switch 2 patch on Switch version isn't going to give me equivalent experience.
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Ehhh, I'm pretty sure Switch games will need pretty substantial changes to take advantage of DLSS as no Nintendo game has TAA built into their engine right now (the Switch resolutions are too low for TAA). There would be pretty substantial engine and texture changes needed for cross-gen releases.
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If the game is as generational as BOTW or TOTK then I don’t think it really matters when the game launches. Being at launch can help but I don’t really think it will contribute that much. The game has to nail aspects that attract a wider audience if it wants its BOTW moment. Being a standard Prime game probably isn’t gonna cut it. So ultimately we are gonna have to wait & see what it is they are doing.
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Announcing a game for Switch, only to continuously delay it (internally or otherwise) so the "definitive" version of the game could launch on another piece of hardware you have to buy is also kinda shitty in the opposite direction. It was announced as a Switch game, it was built as a Switch game, it should release as a Switch game.
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MP4 is still going to be a Switch game, no exception. I never said MP4 won't or shouldn't come out on Switch 1.
You know BOTW was originally announced as a Wii U game right?
But at the end, everybody remembers BOTW as a Switch game.
MP4 will definitely get the Switch 2 treatment, it's too good of an opportunity for Nintendo to pass up on. I'm excited to see what MP4 would look like on Switch 2.
I get what you're saying, but unfortunately, it's how the cards fall. Finishing MP4 places the game right around when Switch 2 would come out, so I know the gears were turning in Nintendo's head, "do we want to release Switch 2 version here too, like BOTW for Wii U and Switch?"
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Because no one gave a shit about a Wii U version. there was no salvageable active player base on Wii U worth keeping it on Wii U alone, despite how much everyone was looking forward to BOTW. Pushing it to Switch was just a no-brainer. Prime 4 is not BOTW, and Switch is not Wii U.
and yes, MP4 will absolutely get the Switch 2 treatment, as it should, as BOTW should, as Mario Odyssey should, as Luigi's Mansion 3, Metroid Dread, etc. should. people have been waiting for this game for 7 years at this point, it's kind of a slap in the face if they wait that long without any kind of announcement I think. I'll still get it but that move will sour me.
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I kinda hope they just call it Metroid
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I can see a situation where Nintendo would want to keep things "simple" and where, unlike PS4/PS5 for instance, it wouldn't be possible to play Switch games on Switch 2 via BC if they have a native Switch 2 version.
It could avoid situations where you play the "wrong" version of the game and wonder why you don't have this or this feature available.
It depends on how they approach the whole thing and there are still many questions in this regard of course, mostly for physical games obviously, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see something like this being implemented.
It could avoid situations where you play the "wrong" version of the game and wonder why you don't have this or this feature available.
It depends on how they approach the whole thing and there are still many questions in this regard of course, mostly for physical games obviously, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see something like this being implemented.
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Early signs are pointing to June, but few people are confident enough to talk about when yet.
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If they plan on launching next fiscal year (ending March 2025), they will probably at least acknowledge its existence by their next investors meeting in May.
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If you believe the same person who broke the original delay story Brazil, they're now saying June for the reveal.
Kingchin
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The Switch sucessor giving visual upgrades to Switch games is just a rumour! Even if it turns out to be true Nintendo and 3rd parties will likely charge you for any major visual enhancements.
Metroid Prime 4 does have a tbd 2024 date for the Switch. But things change, it's not cheating anyone if the Switch sucessor has been delayed till 2025. As Metroid Prime 4 is likely part of the Switch sucessor reveal trailer.
Obviously Nintendo aren't going to release Metroid Prime 4 in 2024 if the Switch sucessor is delayed. All logical thinking suggests Metroid Prime 4 will release both on the Switch and Switch sucessor. Nintendo would have shown it by now or announced it only for the Switch if it wasn't going to be cross gen.
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Kingchin
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139 million Switches sold currently and still rising....
Metroid Prime 4 will likely release at same time on Switch and Switch sucessor.
Best of both worlds for Metroid fans and newcomers.
Kingchin
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Brazil said his trusted sources claim Nintendo would announce in March 2024 (whether that means specifically to investors) that the Switch sucessor is in development.
And that his sources claim the Switch sucessor will be revealed games and hardware in June 2024.
With a release date of January-March 2025 for consumers able to buy the Switch sucessor.
I would say all logical thinking says the opposite. Again this is the same stuff we heard about 2023 games and even things like Princess Peach Showtime. We know Prime 4 is a switch game, we know Prime games can look great on switch and get critical acclaim, and we know Nintendo has a very good reason not to show Prime 4 until it's done.
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Sadly, the past couple of weeks has shown how embarrassing, hysterical and immature parts of the video game community can be.
"Arrogant Nintendo" for delaying a console three or four months because they want to launch with more games.
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Sadly, the past couple of weeks has shown how embarrassing, hysterical and immature parts of the video game community can be.
"Arrogant Nintendo" for delaying a console three or four months because they want to launch with more games.
You know, not that i wanna stir up the discussion, but if you're not able to have games in a state that you're good with to release them in, there's a big chance this won't dramatically change in 3 months.
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what I want is good for the company, what the company wants is bad for the company, simple asSadly, the past couple of weeks has shown how embarrassing, hysterical and immature parts of the video game community can be.
"Arrogant Nintendo" for delaying a console three or four months because they want to launch with more games.
Kingchin
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Metroid Prime 4 is claimed to be already finished development near end of last year. With marketing planning currently being done.
You're in the minority who thinks Metroid Prime 4 will only release for the Switch! Most people think it's cross gen for Switch and Switch sucessor.
Being saved until the big Switch sucessor reveal trailer.
I was a minority in thinking the Switch 2 would release in 2025 at the earliest until a few days ago. I can wait.
And again, everything is "cross gen".
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It's gonna be revealed in the April general and launch this year. If there is a Switch 2 version it'll come later in 2025
This is blatantly not true. We have tons of examples of games that "go gold" a month or two before launch, and then have a day 1 patch that fixes a ton. Nintendo is famous for delaying "finished" games like TotK to work on bug fixing and fine tuning the experience, it's why they can move up games like Xenoblade 3 when another game needs more time in the over. 3-6 months will have a massive impact on the quality of these games.
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The biggest upgrades for Switch 1 games would be AA and higher resolutions which would be given by DLSS, but Nintendo’s games will probably need huge code changes to implement DLSS as their games don’t use TAA (which is the step where DLSS usually goes) so I’m not sure about back compat upgrades at all.
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hypothetically, let's say 3d mario is ready for november alongside prime 4. mario kart will be ready in june 2025, animal crossing march 2026, and let's say splatoon 4 in june 2027.
with a november launch, switch 2 experiences a gap of about half a year until its next major game. if the system and 3d mario are held until march that narrows the gap to three months, with animal crossing even being close to year one and splatoon, if announced as early as 3 was, being part of the sales pitch in the first 18 months
regardless of the specifics, buying more time will absolutely improve year one. I see no way that could not be the case
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A 3-6 month delay makes no impact on the launch game aside from additional polishing.
If the delay is due to first-party software then it's to ensure that their release cadence is consistent with a healthier timeline
I dont really know much about this, but if it's true then Prime 4 isn't really a good showcase of the Switch 2 hardware since it will be an improved port of a Switch game that's been in development for almost a decade.
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And you think they casually delay the launch of their next console because they want to have more time to polish things? Things that could, like you said, get fixed with patched down the line?
It's one thing to delay a game, or sit on it and do more polishing/QA. It's a whole different situation if you have to, almost in a "rushing" way, delay a console launch because of software.
And where is it written they have to launch a new big game every month?
You know, there's third parties who maybe like a piece of the cake too? How about they trust them a bit in carrying out the time there's no big game of theirs?
Plus, given we're talking about at least 400 bucks for the system (without any additional stuff like mem card, or pro controller or something), how many games would the batch of people even buy during the first ~ 3 months?
I have enough money, and even i buy at most two games during launch phase.
Also going by that logic, why not delaying the launch until they can release a big game ever month for a year? ;]
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