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Discussion According to @Brazil podcast 'X do Controle' Nintendo Switch 2 will release in march 2025 - Summary updated [Eurogamer is corroborating]

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ITSMILNER said:
Out of interest, how many of you only have a Switch as your gaming platform? I think, for me, the disappointment is minimal because I also have a Steam Deck for my third party releases.
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I love my lite and it’s a great machine for retro ports/simple indies/exclusives that run well, and my XSX/Deck are perfect for third parties, but i’m not gonna lie and say that I haven’t skipped some nintendo first party games due to wanting to play em on good hardware and have it brute force them. Kirby Forgotten Land, Age of Calamity, Pokemon SV DLC, Arceus…

Those are several games I’d have bought and tried by now, (AOC I do own but had to quickly stop playing, and I love FEW/HW1 on switch) but didnt because I’m more content waiting for a 60fps/locked 30 experience on Switch 2. So it is very annoying in that regard. At least 2023’s output ran pretty well on the current switch though, during the pro rumor period it felt like every first party game was having a caveat to it which would be mitigated on Switch 2/pro
 
Im still playing cross gen games in 2024

And I’m not even mad. Infinite Wealth plays perfectly well on it. (Aside from a few slowdown things)

I might take another look at a PS5; kinda want to play Dead Space, FF VII Rebirth and what not
 
Kool Savis said:
Look (i hope i can expain it corectly, cause english is not my main language),
if it would release now, with the roumored specs we are allways talking about, it'd be a nice hardware for the next 6 to 7 years and could even get some ports from PS5. Now a 2-3 Tlops, 4N TSMC node chip from NVIDIA with DLSS and some Raytracing is really capable. But imagine in 2 Years you could get a PS6 with 24 TFlops, FSR 4 and like 32 GB Ram. The roumored Switch 2 could again not hold up, and there we are again half baked ports, sub HD resolutions and frame stuttering. Thats, why its underpowered.
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if the system released today, we'd still have that same system when the PS6 comes out. we'd still be in the same position you're complaining about. and you haven't explained what the t239 is missing that would make it modern. more teraflops? you can't get that today anyway. the PS6 is going to be on a node that AMD doesn't even use yet. never mind that it's probably more than 2 years out. FSR4, you can't explain what that is because it doesn't exist yet. 32GB of ram, we can get 24GB of ram in drake now, but I doubt that' be a thing for a while
 
T239 is still very good presuming it releases in the next year or so, especially if it's on the smaller process people think it is.

even better if the system is at a mass-affordable price which it should be.
 
ITSMILNER said:
Out of interest, how many of you only have a Switch as your gaming platform? I think, for me, the disappointment is minimal because I also have a Steam Deck for my third party releases.
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I do and I can live with it. I don’t have next gen systems so when I hear people describe playing the switch as visual water boarding I can’t really relate
 
VintoWin said:
I'm having a hard time believing Nintendo said we need to delay 3-4 months for 3D Mario. A game in development for longer than any Zelda game in history. Just doesn't make sense.
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I also don‘t believe it. Maybe Mario Kart? Seems also unlikely, it was developed by a small team which ported mostly Tour tracks. Metroid Prime 4, if it‘s a launch window game, had more than enough time. I don‘t think Nintendo needs anything but a 3D Mario and Mario Kart, the rest can follow later. It could be the gimmick (if it has one) game? They typically aren’t high budget and are the most synced with console launch. I can‘t think of any game which shouldn‘t be ready myself, anyone else has an idea what game it could be?
 
ITSMILNER said:
Out of interest, how many of you only have a Switch as your gaming platform? I think, for me, the disappointment is minimal because I also have a Steam Deck for my third party releases.
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The Switch is my only current gen gaming platform and it wouldn't bother me if the successor was pushed back to next year. I have a pretty sizable backlog and my most anticipated games are releasing in the next two months (Unicorn Overlord & SaGa Emerald Beyond). Not to mention the stack of books I'm looking forward to reading and the films & shows I want to watch.

If this rumor ends up being true I see no reason to get all bent out of shape over it.
 
We were recently talking about the rising costs and the length of development of video games and the problems that this entails for the entire industry.

It is perfectly logical that Nintendo is also confronted as it crosses technological milestones. This is why I have always been particularly annoyed, during this generation, to have a feeling that for the majority of the life of the switch, we were busy complaining about having new equipment. These speculations came much too early when it makes sense for the industry in general and for the Nintendo model in particular to accept long generations.

You have to be able to get games out. Nintendo’s business is that. Not to sell empty consoles. It doesn’t work for them. And when you know that technological developments need to be digested, well it’s perfectly smart to have long generations, perhaps longer than the competition. It is not with its technology that the game boy has systematically eliminated all competition.
 
Magic-Man said:
If people are pissed about this news and like third party games, just get a Steam Deck. It'll cost about the same as a Switch 2 would and you can get it right now. It's what I'm planning on doing sometime over the next couple of months.
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I feel Switch's third party lineup will turn out pretty great. Especially for a 7 year old console. I think we might see some big surprises, such as Persona 3 Reload late port now Switch successor is delayed and more interesting remastered stuff, like Viewtiful Joe or Megaman Legends...
 
VintoWin said:
I'm having a hard time believing Nintendo said we need to delay 3-4 months for 3D Mario. A game in development for longer than any Zelda game in history. Just doesn't make sense.
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It does make sense if this new 3D Mario is an open world game, just like Breath of the Wild was delayed for ages the first Mario open world game could also be delayed numerous times.
 
ILikeFeet said:
if the system released today, we'd still have that same system when the PS6 comes out. we'd still be in the same position you're complaining about. and you haven't explained what the t239 is missing that would make it modern. more teraflops? you can't get that today anyway. the PS6 is going to be on a node that AMD doesn't even use yet. never mind that it's probably more than 2 years out. FSR4, you can't explain what that is because it doesn't exist yet. 32GB of ram, we can get 24GB of ram in drake now, but I doubt that' be a thing for a while
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I hope you get, that i was speaking about hypothetical specs and dont take them to serious. When a new system launches, there is a timeframe of about 1/2 years transitional period. If Switch 2 would launch now, and a hypothetical PS6 in 2026, you'd have 4 years where Switch 2 could hold up well, without sacrificing to much. If they're waiting till 2025 you lose at least one year, and the whole cycle "Nintendo doesn't hold up, we need a more powerful hardware" starts again. At least if theyre not bump up their specs a little bit from the now roumored ones. Like better CPU frequency, more Tensor cores, faster RAM.
 
Magic-Man said:
If people are pissed about this news and like third party games, just get a Steam Deck. It'll cost about the same as a Switch 2 would and you can get it right now. It's what I'm planning on doing sometime over the next couple of months.
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As long as you live in the Northern Hemisphere. The imported prices of a Deck in Australia run you above $1,000.
 
9-Volt said:
I feel Switch's third party lineup will turn out pretty great. Especially for a 7 year old console. I think we might see some big surprises, such as Persona 3 Reload late port now Switch successor is delayed and more interesting remastered stuff, like Viewtiful Joe or Megaman Legends...
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Switch has probably the best third party line up since SNES
 
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Magic-Man said:
If people are pissed about this news and like third party games, just get a Steam Deck. It'll cost about the same as a Switch 2 would and you can get it right now. It's what I'm planning on doing sometime over the next couple of months.
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I have a Steam Deck, and IMO is not as comfortable a handheld as the Switch. It's great for parties as a portable emulator machine though.
 
boodream said:
We were recently talking about the rising costs and the length of development of video games and the problems that this entails for the entire industry.

It is perfectly logical that Nintendo is also confronted as it crosses technological milestones. This is why I have always been particularly annoyed, during this generation, to have a feeling that for the majority of the life of the switch, we were busy complaining about having new equipment. These speculations came much too early when it makes sense for the industry in general and for the Nintendo model in particular to accept long generations.

You have to be able to get games out. Nintendo’s business is that. Not to sell empty consoles. It doesn’t work for them. And when you know that technological developments need to be digested, well it’s perfectly smart to have long generations, perhaps longer than the competition. It is not with its technology that the game boy has systematically eliminated all competition.
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Especially when you compare Nintendo with other big players in the industry, Nintendo isn't exactly that super stacked when it comes to developers. I think the whole Nintendo EPD numbers around 1000, and sure they have support studios that help booster the amount of devs but still. So Nintendo are very efficient when it comes to pumping out games vs the numbers of devs they have but it could also mean that the change to Switch 2 development and increased scope of the Switch 2 games leads to Nintendo having too few devs to be able to fit the Switch development timeline that they've had previously.
 
Magic-Man said:
If people are pissed about this news and like third party games, just get a Steam Deck. It'll cost about the same as a Switch 2 would and you can get it right now. It's what I'm planning on doing sometime over the next couple of months.
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Not everyone has the financial flexibility to afford two consoles like that. The appeal of Switch 2 for third party support is getting those games AND Nintendo 1st party. Steam Deck doesn’t cover that.

Not saying a Deck isn’t worth it, but it’s not as simple as that for some.
 
BassForever said:
I have a Steam Deck, and IMO is not as comfortable a handheld as the Switch. It's great for parties as a portable emulator machine though.
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Yeah, much as I like my Deck, it is way bulkier than the Switch and less comfortable to hold.
 
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Magic-Man said:
Holy shit that's insane. Has it not officially released over there yet?
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No it seems Valve is not interested in expanding the markets for Deck. Sounds like it's always been intended to be a side thing for them. Other developed countries such as Norway also don't have Decks available. And valve is actively rejecting offers from distributors.
 
boodream said:
The length of development that people attribute to the next Mario is also totally fanciful.
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Yeah i don't think the new Mario game has been worked on since Odyssey was released as many presume. They also made Bowser's fury which could be a sort of prototype of their coming Mario game during that period.
 
I find the Deck to be very comfortable ergonomically, and the Deck OLED is lighter which is much more preferable.

However as someone who has actively used the Steam Deck every day, it does not make for a very good hybrid console facsimile. I play 50/50 docked/handheld with the Switch (yes I am one of those) and 'switching' on the Steam Deck is annoying and requires manual effort. I'm at the point of just leaving games at 720p and integer upscaling them to 1440p on my TV to avoid resolution and graphics setting tweaking. Even then some games don't cooperate.

It's inherently an unfair comparison because the Deck is not a console, it's a PC. Valve doesn't have the same degree of control over how games are shipped on Steam to enable some kind of global docked/mobile configuration for every single game. But it's a comparison nonetheless. For someone who wants a completely hands-off no tinkering hybrid experience, the Switch and subsequently the Switch 2 will remain the best options.

If someone just wants a portable option for some third-party titles, Deck is a fantastic option. But keep in mind that even the Deck is getting stretched thin by some newer releases like Baldur's Gate, and it will never enjoy the same level of console optimization or hardware-accelerated AI upscaling as a Switch 2.
 
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Danny said:
Especially when you compare Nintendo with other big players in the industry, Nintendo isn't exactly that super stacked when it comes to developers. I think the whole Nintendo EPD numbers around 1000, and sure they have support studios that help booster the amount of devs but still. So Nintendo are very efficient when it comes to pumping out games vs the numbers of devs they have but it could also mean that the change to Switch 2 development and increased scope of the Switch 2 games leads to Nintendo having too few devs to be able to fit the Switch development timeline that they've had previously.
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I think its not about having CGI like 4k graphics. Switch has two big bottlenecks: CPU frequency and RAM bandwidth. If these two things would get sorted out, Switch 'd still hold up pretty well. Imagine Zelda, Xenoblade 3 or ports like Arkham Trilogy running with good framerates, or even 60fps consistently. No one would complain. Thats at least, what i'd wish and why i am trying to explain, Switch 2 has to hold up as long as possible. Its not about having TFlops of power and games going Pixar graphics wise. Because more, and bigger and better looking is not healthy for the industry.
 
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It should be ready anyways. Even if we cut a year or two off of the development since Odyssey. It's still likely longest development for Mario. It's possible it is longer development than Zelda. Difference to Mario Wonder is that a 3D Mario and 3D Zelda are always in development. Whereas Mario Wonder was a choice development. That's how I see it. They never stop making 3D Mario and 3D Zelda. They can't. Or they won't have their bread and butter for their systems.
 
Imo there's no excuse for this delay. 7-8 f'n years and they can't manage to shape something together? They're lucky they even got the luxury of having that long because of the middle cycle boost carrying them since covid.

3d Mario team needs 8 years to make a new game? Odyssey took them 4 years after 3D World.

Anything else should have started development 4-5 years ago and Nintendo should have gone gun happy with paying for devs to make exclusive first party titles so they have a dump truck collection of nextgen games to launch with the system and onward. There's no excuse as to why they didn't. The only reason to not have a good launch window lineup is because they were cheap and didn't spend the money to make more games earlier. If they were so "afraid" of the transition, they should have paid up
 
Procheno said:
Imo there's no excuse for this delay. 7-8 f'n years and they can't manage to shape something together? They're lucky they even got the luxury of having that long because of the middle cycle boost carrying them since covid.

3d Mario team needs 8 years to make a new game? Odyssey took them 4 years after 3D World.

Anything else should have started development 4-5 years ago and Nintendo should have gone gun happy with paying for devs to make exclusive first party titles so they have a dump truck collection of nextgen games to launch with the system and onward. There's no excuse as to why they didn't. The only reason to not have a good launch window lineup is because they were cheap and didn't spend the money to make more games earlier
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ah yes "Just spend more money" that's how it works, clearly.
 
Procheno said:
Imo there's no excuse for this delay. 7-8 f'n years and they can't manage to shape something together? They're lucky they even got the luxury of having that long because of the middle cycle boost carrying them since covid.

3d Mario team needs 8 years to make a new game? Odyssey took them 4 years after 3D World.

Anything else should have started development 4-5 years ago and Nintendo should have gone gun happy with paying for devs to make exclusive first party titles so they have a dump truck collection of nextgen games to launch with the system and onward. There's no excuse as to why they didn't. The only reason to not have a good launch window lineup is because they were cheap and didn't spend the money to make more games earlier. If they were so "afraid" of the transition, they should have paid up
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We don't know why Nintendo made this decision. I guarantee it's more complicated than any of us think.
 
Lugia667 said:
ah yes "Just spend more money" that's how it works, clearly.
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If development times are longer, and that's naturally going to happen and shouldn't be rushed, then yes you produce more lines of production simultaneously. Basic operation efficiency. And we ain't even talking exclusively gigantic AAA games. Smaller games that take 2-4 years too
 
Procheno said:
Imo there's no excuse for this delay. 7-8 f'n years and they can't manage to shape something together? They're lucky they even got the luxury of having that long because of the middle cycle boost carrying them since covid.

3d Mario team needs 8 years to make a new game? Odyssey took them 4 years after 3D World.

Anything else should have started development 4-5 years ago and Nintendo should have gone gun happy with paying for devs to make exclusive first party titles so they have a dump truck collection of nextgen games to launch with the system and onward. There's no excuse as to why they didn't. The only reason to not have a good launch window lineup is because they were cheap and didn't spend the money to make more games earlier. If they were so "afraid" of the transition, they should have paid up
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I would even say that the development of the next 3D Mario started around 1995. It is a real disaster. Almost 30 years of development, do you realize? What is wrong with Nintendo?
 
Magic-Man said:
We don't know why Nintendo made this decision. I guarantee it's more complicated than any of us think.
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I hope so but we'll likely never know because they don't ever talk details. I hope it's genuine out of their control, not failure of operation circumstances. That's understandable, still bucks though as the longer this console takes to come out, the older the tech becomes, the weaker it will be compared to its portable contemporaries. Especially if they pull another 8 year lifecycle
 
I mean if you can name one dev at the moment that is operating more efficiently and consistently than Nintendo making games for this gen than I'm all ears
 
Procheno said:
If development times are longer, and that's naturally going to happen and shouldn't be rushed, then yes you produce more lines of production simultaneously. Basic operation efficiency. And we ain't even talking exclusively gigantic AAA games. Smaller games that take 2-4 years too
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it worked for microsoft so it should work for nintendo
 
I know some people will accuse me of bootlicking for Nintendo, but seriously. Do some of y'all think that Nintendo WANTED to delay the system? Do you have any idea how much planning and budget went down the toilet because of this decision? Nintendo delayed it because that was the only good option they had. You can't rush a new system out if it's not ready.
 
Magic-Man said:
If people are pissed about this news and like third party games, just get a Steam Deck. It'll cost about the same as a Switch 2 would and you can get it right now. It's what I'm planning on doing sometime over the next couple of months.
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This is what I did, after the poor Batman Arkham trilogy port for Switch I decided that I’ll get a Steam Deck OLED for my third party games and keep the Switch as an exclusives machine. It’s brilliant and well worth the money, the fact I also picked up games like the Mass Effect Trilogy for
£5, Yakuza 0-6 for £25 and Batman Trilogy for £5 which you would have never got at that price on Switch/Switch 2 is ever better.
 
Procheno said:
Imo there's no excuse for this delay. 7-8 f'n years and they can't manage to shape something together? They're lucky they even got the luxury of having that long because of the middle cycle boost carrying them since covid.

3d Mario team needs 8 years to make a new game? Odyssey took them 4 years after 3D World.

Anything else should have started development 4-5 years ago and Nintendo should have gone gun happy with paying for devs to make exclusive first party titles so they have a dump truck collection of nextgen games to launch with the system and onward. There's no excuse as to why they didn't. The only reason to not have a good launch window lineup is because they were cheap and didn't spend the money to make more games earlier. If they were so "afraid" of the transition, they should have paid up
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Nintendo has been sitting comfy on ports and certain titles selling like hotcakes. That's the reason we still don't have a new 3D Mario or MK. We used to get a new MK or 3D Mario every couple of years. Now it takes a decade.

Great for the company, sad state of affairs for fans.

They must be delaying the console because they have no choice otherwise. But they should have been better prepared.

I'm curious how they'll handle the Switch 2, there isn't much left to port.
 
Lugia667 said:
ah yes "Just spend more money" that's how it works, clearly.
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I mean technically, yes it does. Bigger workforce. More development.

And I think I remember an article stating that they have indeed done this. But I don't think that expansion is complete, yet?

This is getting off-topic anyways. The point is they make it sound like this system got delayed because of 3D Mario.

It might be some other mishap. Would Nintendo tell 3rd parties the reason why they chose to delay 3-4 months? Or would they just say "We are now targeting Q1 2025" Why do we think these people have all the info?

Why would they also know that Nintendo is still revealing this thing next month? It just does not add up lol. There's a lot of extra info.
 
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Magic-Man said:
If people are pissed about this news and like third party games, just get a Steam Deck. It'll cost about the same as a Switch 2 would and you can get it right now. It's what I'm planning on doing sometime over the next couple of months.
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for real. if it's possible for you geographically/financially, it's an incredible device with an unmatched library (not even mentioning emulation). definitely my favorite gaming device these days
 
thoughthaver said:
it worked for microsoft so it should work for nintendo
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No offense to Microsoft, but they've been hot garbage at managing studios & projects since the Xbox One days even when they only had like 5 studios to run. They don't have a well run business because for a decade at this point, a majority of their games have come out unfinished, missing content, underwhelming, no innovation, canceled, or delayed for years, sometimes multiple of these aspects together in the same project. Not to mention the multiple closed studios before they started their acquisition spree. The only major successes they've had are from a few of their newly acquired studios who were making games before they got bought or do manage to shine through it all, like Playground Games.

I wouldn't equate Microsoft to Nintendo's efficient, structured operations at all. They're the only group to have backloaded their library for years so they have more material during slow periods. That's great. Maybe it would have been better if they saved some of those games then if they were this short on software. Idk, it's just bizarre how after 7-8 years they're still not ready
 
9-Volt said:
I feel Switch's third party lineup will turn out pretty great. Especially for a 7 year old console. I think we might see some big surprises, such as Persona 3 Reload late port now Switch successor is delayed and more interesting remastered stuff, like Viewtiful Joe or Megaman Legends...
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if we also see Metaphor add a Switch version to launch. They were clearly waiting on Switch 2 to announce P3R / Metaphor but the delay will force their hands.
 
Kool Savis said:
I hope you get, that i was speaking about hypothetical specs and dont take them to serious. When a new system launches, there is a timeframe of about 1/2 years transitional period. If Switch 2 would launch now, and a hypothetical PS6 in 2026, you'd have 4 years where Switch 2 could hold up well, without sacrificing to much. If they're waiting till 2025 you lose at least one year, and the whole cycle "Nintendo doesn't hold up, we need a more powerful hardware" starts again. At least if theyre not bump up their specs a little bit from the now roumored ones. Like better CPU frequency, more Tensor cores, faster RAM.
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as soon as the PS6 arrives to the scene, the switch would stop holding up anyway. you'd get devs dropping Drake because it's too weak. 6 months wouldn't change that.*

and again, they can't change specs. the t239 is about the best they can get unless you want them to put out a 30W TDP device like these windows handhelds. there is nothing in 2025 that can change that, and what will change (the move to 3nm) would push a new system to 2027 or whatever and cost more

*this hypothetical scenario wouldn't happen anyway. we're 4 years in and PS4 is still getting games. with the more powerful PS5, crossgen with PS6 would probably last the whole generation
 
pretty sure the MS comparison was a sarcastic one lol. MS has long been the worst at studio managment and mass acqusition arent going to change that
 
I have a Steam Deck and for whatever reason I haven't been motivated to use it like my Switch. A combination of a lot of games not feeling super optimized for it, battery life, no physical games, and a bulkier size making it feel less comfortable to me are all negatives I guess.
 
ITSMILNER said:
People talking about Switch 2 being underpowered but if the system is a success devs will put their games on it.

Dev costs are stupid at the moment, they’ll want to maximise how much they can make by bringing games to everything they can. Wouldn’t be surprised if some actually aim for Switch 2 specs and then up res them for PS/XB consoles.
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I agree! Less powerful or "outdated" hardware is a blessing in disguise. As it was with all of Nintendo's handhelds and the Wii; it results in more games due to faster development times, and smaller budget games being able to achieve more success.

We are not getting any better games as a result from the power jump to the PS5/XSX. All it has resulted in are unsustainble budgets and frustratingly protected development times.

In my view, this has been the case since the 7th Gen HD consoles and it has only gotten worse. Games have gotten safer and more homogenized than ever.
 
ILikeFeet said:
as soon as the PS6 arrives to the scene, the switch would stop holding up anyway. you'd get devs dropping Drake because it's too weak. 6 months wouldn't change that.*

and again, they can't change specs. the t239 is about the best they can get unless you want them to put out a 30W TDP device like these windows handhelds. there is nothing in 2025 that can change that, and what will change (the move to 3nm) would push a new system to 2027 or whatever and cost more

*this hypothetical scenario wouldn't happen anyway. we're 4 years in and PS4 is still getting games. with the more powerful PS5, crossgen with PS6 would probably last the whole generation
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I hope you're right buddy, cause i want a healthy and succesfull Nintendo. Look how this industry is changing, thats why more should take a lesson from them in some ways.
 
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