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Discussion Xenoblade Chronicles 3 announced, launches September 2022 (no open spoilers)

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Brock Reiher said:
I don't think XB2 release was that Ideal. Most people were still playing Zelda and Mario. Meanwhile XB1 released when barely anything else was going on on Wii.
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The time to release games is when people are still using the platform, not when software sales are practically dead. Maybe if XB1 had a WW release you could argue this, but it had nearly everything going against it by the time it came to the west.
 
Finally went ahead and completed Future Connected, after not having felt like doing it for the longest time. It has reinforced my hopes that

1) there will be some quicker alternatives to on-foot traversal. We seemingly get a boat, but I want some kind of means for land traversal as well, especially if the maps turn out to be bigger/more open. 2's rideable blades were at least something, while 1 had nothing.

2) the battle system for 3 takes more after 2/Torna rather than 1. I simply prefer the flow of the latter.
 
Leo said:
What I can say is that as someone who has never played a Xeno game before, this got me on board. I wanted wanted to like these games, but unfortunately XC2's designs and soft porn bits turned me off hard from it. Now XC3 is looking much much better and I think they hit that sweet spot that will make them reach a bigger audience without alienating their fan base.

I'm even considering bracing myself and playing XC2 now. Now that I know the series won't keep iterating on that kind of appeal, it makes the pill easier to swallow knowing it was a one time thing.
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If it helps, I used to criticize XC2 a lot before it was released (I was super put off by the sexualization) and a friend of mine kept on reminding me that XC1 was very good. I finally played XB2 and, even if I cringed hard at some designs, I really loved it. It's one of my favourite games on the Switch. You just have to try to ignore the sexualization of the characters. The music is good, the story is good, the world is good, the gameplay is good.
 
Crusters said:
Xb2 released as xb1 could have been a multimillion selling smash hit if released at the height of the wiis popularity.
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I said same conditions as XC1, which released in 2010 for Japan, 2011 for Europe and 2012 for NA, it was far from "at the height of the wiis popularity".

Crusters said:
But from what I can see with 3's reception, I don't see why it's something that's being brought up.
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While there's some who don't want the "standard" anime art style, the 4 years bickering has been mostly about the over-the-top outfits and tropes. Some think it tainted the series and is holding it back, other think it's the reason the game sold so much. Since we don't have real data about how much it helps and hinder sales, it all ends on confirmation bias.
 
RennanNT said:
I said same conditions as XC1, which released in 2010 for Japan, 2011 for Europe and 2012 for NA, it was far from "at the height of the wiis popularity".
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Looking back at it, yeah, yeah you did.
RennanNT said:
While there's some who don't want the "standard" anime art style, the 4 years bickering has been mostly about the over-the-top outfits and tropes. Some think it tainted the series and is holding it back, other think it's the reason the game sold so much. Since we don't have real data about how much it helps and hinder sales, it all ends on confirmation bias.
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I like to think, at least as of right now, it sure seems like xb3 bridged that divide, and how.
 
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Almost a week has passed and the reveal trailer can barely make it past 700k views. 😪

I swear, majority of Nintendo fans look like this when watching the trailer:

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Yellowmus said:
Almost a week has passed and the reveal trailer can barely make it past 700k views. 😪

The Xenoblade games are lost on Nintendo fanbase.
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I don't think it's that shocking looking at the NoA youtube view counts for other trailers in the Direct. The view ranking for the first party trailers seems to be:

Kirby and the Forgotten Land - 1.114m
Nintendo Switch Sports - 1.089m
Mario Strikers: Battle League - 1.024m
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Pass - 0.927m
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 - 0.701m
Splatoon 3 - 0.457m
Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes - 0.394m
Advanced Wars 1 + 2: Re-Boot Camp - 0.157m

The most viewed trailer from the Direct currently only has about 1.1 million views, and even the Mario Kart DLC trailer has less than a million views at the moment.

(I agree Xenoblade deserves more attention from people though)
 
TheGreatLugia said:
I don't think it's that shocking looking at the NoA youtube view counts for other trailers in the Direct. The view ranking for the first party trailers seems to be:

Kirby and the Forgotten Land - 1.114m
Nintendo Switch Sports - 1.089m
Mario Strikers: Battle League - 1.024m
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Pass - 0.927m
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 - 0.701m
Splatoon 3 - 0.457m
Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes - 0.394m
Advanced Wars 1 + 2: Re-Boot Camp - 0.157m

The most viewed trailer from the Direct currently only has about 1.1 million views, and even the Mario Kart DLC trailer has less than a million views at the moment.

(I agree Xenoblade deserves more attention from people though)
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Those will pull away. Just like their games sales, YouTube trailers are evergreen too.
 
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Probably has already been talked about, but how likely do you think it is that the main characters are actually defectors? Initially when they are fighting each other they seem to wear military gear before switching to more casual gear after they come together.
 
Don't think you can read too much into the individual trailer views. The Nintendo Direct itself is currently at 5.2M mind, already up there with the last one in terms of views. Seems like people were just watching the main direct itself. Still lots of eyes on all Nintendo's games in total
 
Joseki said:
Probably has already been talked about, but how likely do you think it is that the main characters are actually defectors? Initially when they are fighting each other they seem to wear military gear before switching to more casual gear after they come together.
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I am 99.99% certain they’ll all defect when they team up to go take down the villains pulling the strings.
 
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It still amazes me that Monolith Soft managed to release Xenoblade 2 2.5 years after X. Torna and XC3 are going to be released 4 years apart with a much larger team.
Imagine the level of polish.
 
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TheGreatLugia said:
I don't think it's that shocking looking at the NoA youtube view counts for other trailers in the Direct. The view ranking for the first party trailers seems to be:

Kirby and the Forgotten Land - 1.114m
Nintendo Switch Sports - 1.089m
Mario Strikers: Battle League - 1.024m
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Pass - 0.927m
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 - 0.701m
Splatoon 3 - 0.457m
Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes - 0.394m
Advanced Wars 1 + 2: Re-Boot Camp - 0.157m

The most viewed trailer from the Direct currently only has about 1.1 million views, and even the Mario Kart DLC trailer has less than a million views at the moment.

(I agree Xenoblade deserves more attention from people though)
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55% more than Splatoon 3

Xenoblade 3 selling 20 million copies confirmed
 
Comic Obsessed said:
Is Advance Wars, I don't know why people are expecting more from a famous low seller series.

Just be happy that a remake exists.
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Advance Wars wasn't a low seller back when they actually made games. Days of Ruin sort of tanked, and then they just didn't make new games at all, period.
 
Amadeus said:
It still amazes me that Monolith Soft managed to release Xenoblade 2 2.5 years after X. Torna and XC3 are going to be released 4 years apart with a much larger team.
Imagine the level of polish.
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The size of the maps, the story details, all the secondary quests, all the content! *drools
 
Amadeus said:
It still amazes me that Monolith Soft managed to release Xenoblade 2 2.5 years after X. Torna and XC3 are going to be released 4 years apart with a much larger team.
Imagine the level of polish.
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I’m diving back into XC2 right now to do some post game questing and I’m shocked all over again at how fucking massive the game is. Now that’s not all good, but it’s just so damn ambitious with its party and battle system
 
Was it speculated to two Nopons were only dressing up as Rex and Pyra? I saw some theories that maybe they were reincarnated into Nopons, which is a hilarious thought lol
 
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Dark Cloud said:
This is like the only place I can have an actual discussion about this game. I tried reading the era topics, but so much is just going on and on and on and on and on and one about Xenoblade 2 designs.
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It’s still a battlefield. Though generally, those people have checked out now, so it’s just people excited about XC3.

Actually hopped on XC2 today. I still love that combat. It’s so fun. I might finally do my NG+ Torna run… just to scratch that Xenoblade itch.

I’ve searched years for something to fill that Xeno hole and I’ve played some cracking games - but none hit in quite the same way.

Seeing the love for XC3 is just awesome. It feels like the whole community is unified in its excitement.
 
Mr.Fletcher said:
It’s still a battlefield. Though generally, those people have checked out now, so it’s just people excited about XC3.

Actually hopped on XC2 today. I still love that combat. It’s so fun. I might finally do my NG+ Torna run… just to scratch that Xenoblade itch.

I’ve searched years for something to fill that Xeno hole and I’ve played some cracking games - but nome hit in quite the same way.

Seeing the love for XC3 is just awesome. It feels like the whole community is unified in its excitement.
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I replayed XC2 and Torna last year. They’re so good. I wished more people could get into these worlds. When I played XenoblaDE I’m reminded how we’re just ants. Just the grand scope and story of these games is crazy.

And yeah it’s great to see how happy everyone is on XC3 so far.
 
Dunban said:
The time to release games is when people are still using the platform, not when software sales are practically dead. Maybe if XB1 had a WW release you could argue this, but it had nearly everything going against it by the time it came to the west.
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that would explain why DE did so well. when xb2 came out it was hard to buy a switch
 
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Dark Cloud said:
This is like the only place I can have an actual discussion about this game. I tried reading the era topics, but so much is just going on and on and on and on and on and on about Xenoblade 2 designs.
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It's beyond pathetic really. Xenoblade 2 character designs live on in their heads completely rent free. 🤭
 
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Xenoblade 2 has a very active twitter fanbase, there is new art every day and also all xenoblade 2 fans are very exited for 3. I have more than 25 years playing jrpg. And yes alot of the games I played had sold more than xenoblade 2 but noone has this loyal fanbase. Im quite sure than xenoblade 3 will sell more than 2. And remember than xenoblade 2 has been played more in 2nd hand market in japan that what it actually sold.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I replayed XC2 and Torna last year. They’re so good. I wished more people could get into these worlds. When I played XenoblaDE I’m reminded how we’re just ants. Just the grand scope and story of these games is crazy.

And yeah it’s great to see how happy everyone is on XC3 so far.
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Totally with you.

These games feel like grand adventures. Fun characters, cool worlds, beautiful environments, intricate lore, great music, epic narratives with twists and turns, etc.

People will point to technical shortcomings, but Monolith Soft feel so special in today’s industry.

They also feel like they’re in touch with the fans. Lots of great post launch support, cool little additions (Mythra‘s Smash outfit) and smart pro-fan choices.

You know they will do right by you as a fan of their work - even if what they produce isn’t always to your specific tastes.

I sound like a fanboy - and that’s because I am!
 
Dark Cloud said:
It’s not going to sell good imo. To me it’s something Nintendo just approved because pitch was good enough, but there’s no future in this series.
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Sorry to keep going off topic but my Advance Wars senses are tingling.

The first two games did really well on GBA, much like Golden Sun, and particularly in western markets (there were issues with the Japanese launch around 9/11 which forever counted against the series in that territory). It was the DS instalments where things went wrong, with Dual Strike not doing enough to differentiate from the GBA games (it was graphically identical really) and Days of Ruin going too far the other way. They also weren't able to transition the series properly away from handheld to console like Fire Emblem managed (Battalion Wars was their main attempt but that tanked too). So the series just...fizzled out. People generally make out Advance Wars as this extremely niche franchise when for a shining moment in the early noughties it was pretty big. It just burned bright and fast before fading. There's a reason it has a really dedicated fanbase still playing those old games to this day.

I think Nintendo and WayForward will be happy if it does the kind of numbers you'd see from a highly anticipated Indie release, so somewhere in the 500K ballpark. If it hits those numbers and Wayforward are keen to try their hand at a new one themselves, I don't see Nintendo saying no. They'd probably be happy someone has taken it off Intelligent System's hands so free them up for more FE.

ANYWAY back to Xenoblade. It's clearly the big announcement from this direct by the amount of discussions it's generated. It's absolutely got one of the most dedicated fanbases among Nintendo gamers now, which will stand it in good stead at launch, but I still think the series will do well to surpass that 2.5m ceiling.
 
Dark Cloud said:
This is like the only place I can have an actual discussion about this game. I tried reading the era topics, but so much is just going on and on and on and on and on and on about Xenoblade 2 designs.
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What, did you think things were going to change in that place after almost 5 years?

Also, is good to have a conversation here without Mods hunting you down if you ever disagreed with them.
 
Comic Obsessed said:
What, did you think things were going to change in that place after almost 5 years?

Also, is good to have a conversation here without Mods hunting you down if you ever disagreed with them.
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I remember when I got banned after directly confront the mod who said that poppi was a robot sexslave. I said to him that atleast play the game before lying with that things. Also they think that Tora for some reason is 40 years old when he is 13.
 
Yellowmus said:
It's beyond pathetic really. Xenoblade 2 character designs live on in their heads completely rent free. 🤭
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It came to the point that I had to start putting hordes of people on ignore (first time ever using that function) in order to read threads about the game (or its sales, or its music, or some deep lore theory, or anything really) without the hyperbole, the vitriol and the trolling.

That was not a pleasant experience TBH (and even before the designs on XC2, the anime and the tits, was the voice acting, the designs on XCX, the music of Sawano, the "this is not real Xeno I hate you Takahashi" of XC1 times...). The fact that the mods sanctioned that behaviour even in threads where the topic hasn't anything to do with it, was depressing.

I'm so happy this forum so far is way better about this series, I started feeling like something was wrong with me to like it.
 
Comic Obsessed said:
Even threads that were not about Xenoblade eventually complained about Xenoblade 2's designs.
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Wait a minute, is that why this thread took that weird nonsensical turn about unrelated xb2 sales narratives and stuff? Because it's responding to what another website was doing?
 
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ika said:
It came to the point that I had to start putting hordes of people on ignore (first time ever using that function) in order to read threads about the game (or its sales, or its music, or some deep lore theory, or anything really) without the hyperbole, the vitriol and the trolling.

That was not a pleasant experience TBH (and even before the designs on XC2, the anime and the tits, was the voice acting, the designs on XCX, the music of Sawano, the "this is not real Xeno I hate you Takahashi" of XC1 times...). The fact that the mods sanctioned that behaviour even in threads where the topic hasn't anything to do with it, was depressing.

I'm so happy this forum so far is way better about this series, I started feeling like something was wrong with me to like it.
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I got banned from Resetera for defending the designs. I took a screenshot of it, printed it out and hung it on my wall in a baroque spoon picture frame.

Jk

I agree, I love XenoFami, man. The community here is awesome.
 
ika said:
It came to the point that I had to start putting hordes of people on ignore (first time ever using that function) in order to read threads about the game (or its sales, or its music, or some deep lore theory, or anything really) without the hyperbole, the vitriol and the trolling.

That was not a pleasant experience TBH (and even before the designs on XC2, the anime and the tits, was the voice acting, the designs on XCX, the music of Sawano, the "this is not real Xeno I hate you Takahashi" of XC1 times...). The fact that the mods sanctioned that behaviour even in threads where the topic hasn't anything to do with it, was depressing.

I'm so happy this forum so far is way better about this series, I started feeling like something was wrong with me to like it.
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I remember back in like 2019 when I bought a switch I felt the need to ask people if I should even bother playing XC2 as someone that played and enjoyed both 1 and X just because of how much negativity I kept seeing about it

fortunately I did, there's a lot of things I didn't like about it but it's still a great game and does do some things like the combat system better than the previous titles as well(been trying to play through DE over the past few months because I wanted to play future connected and it's hard to work up the willpower to continue playing it sometimes going back to 1s combat system)
 
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