Exactly what I expected tbhSo if you're a series fan who wants to see the animation and easter eggs: Nice
If you're neutral and want any engaging narrative: Not so nice
The OP actually changed their predictions to lower later. And yeah, you're definitely right on the money on the latter.The problem is that it doesn't look like a lot of positive reactions are from RT critics. The definitely invited the right kind of crowd but not sure it'll have a strong correlation with actual reviews.
The problem is that it doesn't look like a lot of positive reactions are from RT critics. The definitely invited the right kind of crowd but not sure it'll have a strong correlation with actual reviews.
What's funny is that the OP thinks the movie will have a shockingly low audience score as well. Like low 50s or high 40s audience score. And I'm like how in the world did you arrive to that conclusion?The OP actually changed their predictions to lower later. And yeah, you're definitely right on the money on the latter.
While review aggregates definitely get talked about more these days, this thread's focus on it is definitely more of a byproduct of a specific forum/fandom subculture.I generally don’t pay much attention to movie discourse, but this thread is showing me how similar it is to gaming (ie. everything seemingly revolves around Metacritic/ Rotten Tomatoes).
Haha sorry, busy day yesterday.@Starphanluke want to share with us your thoughts on the movie?
I just have one question: is Bowser actually threatening/scary in this thing? Are his confrontations with protagonists played seriously?Haha sorry, busy day yesterday.
I had a stupid grin on my face the whole time! Yes, the "plot" is dumb and it definitely skews young, but it is such a love letter and it is SO obvious Nintendo had a grip around the production. Chris Pratt is fine, Peach is a revolution for the character, and Bowser is an absolute delight. Song choices might catch some people off guard, but I adore the songs they chose, so I don't mind.
It's a little heavy on the references, but most are pulled off really tactfully. I'm so excited for y'all to see it so we can talk about it in depth.
In 2023, your average movie critic is still very likely to have both grown up with video games and to have played one or more Mario games. That doesn't necessarily mean he likes or cares about Mario, but it does mean that he is very likely to understand the context and at least some of the easter eggs. Now, I think critics are totally used to judging movies not only for what they are but also for their context. If this was not the case, if for example any Marvel production was judged purely as a cinematographic work, perhaps the overall reception of this type of production would be a little less generally favorable.You're average movie critic doesn't really care about how faithful a movie adaption is. If they don't care about Mario much, why would they care about how faithful it is to the games?
I guess that's exactly what we could expect and I would be fine with that. It doesn't matter if the film doesn't bring anything extraordinary. On the other hand, I hope it won't be too generic. Illumination's films are not masterpieces, but one of their qualities in my opinion is that they often have a strong identity and effective gimmicks. If that's still the case here, even if the movie is "not so nice", people will still have a good time.So if you're a series fan who wants to see the animation and easter eggs: Nice
If you're neutral and want any engaging narrative: Not so nice
You know, it really goes to show how much different the communities between Fami and Era are. Just look at the gap in mood in both impressions threads.At the end of the day, even when we may not get the best Rotten Tomatoes score, I hope we all have a good time watching the movie!
Oh I dread to think what they are saying on ResetEra. I do not want to find out .You know, it really goes to show how much different the communities between Fami and Era are. Just look at the gap in mood in both impressions threads.
I mean... who expected a deep plot? It's a story about two brothers who are plumbers, and one day they get into another world while exploring the sewers. They get separated, and the older one has to rescue the younger one, and at the same time he helps a princess beat an evil turtle monster. It's fine!
What I want to see is the Mario world more realized, and the interactions between the characters
I did like Sonic 1 and 2 in spite of their flaws, the emotional core gets me pretty well in those (as well as Carrey let's be honest) and it is true blockbuster Hollywood movies actually hardly execute basic narrative THIS well (maybe because they try some kind of different formula, less formulaic in a way?). Hoping Mario execute that well too. Sometimes I don't fully align with critics and I'm hoping what they find bad about this movie is not related to its emotional core.One of the reasons I think the Sonic films are pretty undervalued is despite their huge amount of foibles that feel practically pedestrian in execution (extremely spotty writing, some really bad pacing, very hit-or-miss ad libbing, rudimentary visual presentation), the movies are solid at executing on basic character writing/narrative themeing 101. Sonic 1 is pretty smart about the whole family dynamic thing that Sonic is attaching himself to, while Sonic 2 really goes a mile in establishing Sonic's developing heroic character arc among his main cast of friends and more openly making Eggman into a clear foil to him. It's such basic stuff but it's something that mainstream Hollywood films fail at so hard almost all the time. I rarely ever felt like many critics highlighted some of these strengths outside of people like Filmcrithulk.
So as far as the Mario movie is concerned it's going to be interesting to see what my takeaways will be from it. Usually when I go into films with the knowledge that I shouldn't expect a deep narrative I can often set that aside if the film executes on basic character work and has other appeals to highlight. It already looks like it's going to be a very kinetic film so it has that going for it. Bowser and Peach being mentioned as highlights is good, those are ostensibly my two favorite characters in the mainline series. If the movie can convince me on Mario and Luigi having a strong brotherly bond for this to be the main driver of the narrative, I'll be happy. I really enjoy Mario media that underscores this aspect to them (the ending to Luigi's Mansion is still perhaps the most cathartic moment in the entire series).
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Both RT critics.
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Both RT critics.
From the marketing there's a moment that happens pretty early on, and while short, it is pretty strong. I assume the sequel's hook will be actually see Mario and Luigi team-up together for a whole movie.I hope the "not enough Mario & Luigi together" at the very least means that the moments they do share together are strong. I'd already set myself up to figuring they would be separated throughout 80% of the main plot.
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Both RT critics.
The major cultural impact of the Lorax movie is a weirdly horny fandom around the Onceler of all people, so take that as you will.I refuse to believe Illuminations' take on The Lorax - a story that ironically is a lament of the wasteful production of needless things - is worse than their take on The Grinch. I haven't seen it though.
I thought the major cultural impact was being one of the first ways to single out the chuds in your life. I had a number of social media friends disappear because they thought it was crazy for a children's movie to have an environmental message.The major cultural impact of the Lorax movie is a weirdly horny fandom around the Onceler of all people, so thanks that as you will.
One of the reasons I think the Sonic films are pretty undervalued is that despite their huge amount of foibles that feel practically pedestrian in execution (extremely spotty writing, some really bad pacing, very hit-or-miss ad libbing, rudimentary visual presentation), the movies are solid at executing on basic character writing/narrative themeing 101. Sonic 1 is pretty smart about weaving in the whole family dynamic thing as a central element to justify its own plot and Sonic's character, while Sonic 2 really goes a mile in establishing Sonic's developing heroic character arc among his main cast of friends and more openly making Eggman into a clear foil for him. It's such basic stuff but it's something that mainstream Hollywood films fail at so hard almost all the time. I rarely ever felt like many critics highlighted some of these strengths outside of people like Filmcrithulk.
Lorax betrays its own message in a lot of ways. At least Grinch stays on target.I refuse to believe Illuminations' take on The Lorax - a story that ironically is a lament of the wasteful production of needless things - is worse than their take on The Grinch. I haven't seen it though.
I also heard from one Youtuber that that movie is a walking contradiction, which I wholeheartedly agree with.That's kind of the long and short of it. Basics.
We do need basics and groundwork being set up for these longer franchises, and sometimes that does involve retreading a lot of ground. And when these franchises are so steeped in fantasy, a lot of screentime is spent establishing the world and retreading the basics of narrative.
That's why I'm not bothered if the RT is mid. It's why I didn't mind it for Sonic and why I wouldn't for Mario. A film being kind of shallow or spotty in places isn't the doom of a franchise. It's not the same as a really low score that highlights serious structural problems or perhaps an audience dismissive narrative.
Lorax kind of betrays its own message in a lot of ways. At least Grinch stays on target.
well it's Mario rather than Paper Mario and Mario and LuigiThis movie really about to be reviewed like every first party Nintendo games. Help. The thin narrative line in every impressions makes me giggle.
Nintendo staying true to their brand.
If one of the trades likes it, that's an extremely good sign. Anything from Deadline or the Hollywood Reporter?There was also a woman from Variety who gave it a glowing review a few hours earlier.
When they both lose to the #GranTurismoSweepWell I’m excited to see Miyamoto and Druckmann wrestle on stage at The Game Awards this year.