Mer.Saloon
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Those SPs are honestly pretty silly. I think the only time I've actually made use of them was for Zelda 2 because that game's New Game+ is actually really cool.
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StarTopic Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack |ST| New 2024 Poll Up
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I just wish the SP titles were in a separate sub folder or something. I guess I can rearrange but don’t want to. Or would be cool if you clicked on the normal game box and then it pulled up the OG title and the SP versions to select.
OP
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I put my SP titles on top and then everything else underneath, in alphabetical order of course!
Mer.Saloon
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Sacrilege.
Those go on the bottom.
(Jk)
In all honesty, I like to arrange 1st party > (mainstays like mario > the black box games) > 3rd party (by number of games released preferably) > SPs on the bottom.
Pillydillsy
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I disagree. It was very cool to skip the horrible fetch quest in Kirby’s dreamland 3 and just go straight to Zero
Spikeylord
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Oh, I think having the SP versions is perfectly fine - I just don't think we should really be counting them for anything with regard to titles on NSO; as they don't provide anything strictly new, just some fun little scenarios, or ways for people who might not be able to do certain things to still get much of the experience of these games.
Tye
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I do something kinda like this, too. I arrange mine by first-party games, first-party SP games, third-party games, and finally third-party SP games. And within those groups, I have everything ordered by each game’s first original release date (regardless of region), that way the order can remain the same for both my English and Japanese NSO apps.
Problem is finding and tracking all these initial release dates, because the dates listed on NSO are generally only for either North America or Japan, depending on which version of the app you’re using, and sometimes the dates they have are just straight up wrong. So I maintain a spreadsheet where I’ve compiled all that info after extensive research, though there’s a baffling amount of inconsistency regarding the release dates of older video games online so I can’t even be sure that all of my info is correct, but it’s better than the dates NSO uses at least.
Another problem I’ve encountered is exactly how to define what counts as “first-party” or not, because there are some games that are arguable, but I ended up settling on going by the original copyright. So if a game lists Nintendo as one of the copyright holders on the title screen, then that counts as first-party for my organizational purposes. This lets me keep originally Nintendo-owned games like Banjo-Kazooie with the others, while games that Nintendo originally published but otherwise had no actual ownership of like Quest for Camelot can go with the third-party games. (Though I’m kinda not completely sure how to handle Super Tennis and Super Soccer, which are both 100% third-party in Japan, but the non-Japanese versions were not only published by Nintendo but also have Nintendo listed as a copyright holder… Right now I just sort them with the the third-party games in the Japanese app and with the first-party games in the English app, but that feels kinda messy to me, I dunno.)
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I've certainly used the SP version of Super Mario Kart since I wanted to play the Special Cup levels with my sibling but I've been having a bear of a time trying to restore the muscle memory to clear 100cc Star Cup with intermittent play.
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I like the chaos of the release schedule box set up. Do the sizes stay the same when you move them around?
HockeyBird
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I'm just here learning that you can rearrange the order of the games.
BlackthornOrion
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not necessarily, they'll resize based on how many games you have in the same row
Mer.Saloon
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The real chaos is when JP titles show up on the NA section. Them and their differently oriented boxes are the devil to my haphazard organization.
Devil World is a black box game by all accounts, but accursed it has no black box box. I weep sitting it next to the other black boxes.
Devil World is a black box game by all accounts, but accursed it has no black box box. I weep sitting it next to the other black boxes.
Orbit
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List of Rare Games that could come to NSO
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- Slalom
- Wizards & Warriors
- Anticipation
- Cobra Triangle
- Ironsword: Wizards & Warriors II
- Pinbot (May have licensing issues due to being based on an official pinball machine)
- Captain Skyhawk
- Time Lord
- Solar Jetman
- Digger T. Rock
- Battletoads (Also has Mega Drive and GB port)
- High Speeds
- Wizards & Warriors III
- R.C. Pro-Am II
- Battletoads & Double Dragon (Also has SNES, GB, and MD ports) (needs Arc System Works license but they have 6 games on NSO so it should be fine)
- Conker's Pocket Tales
- Donkey Kong Land
- Donkey Kong Land II
- Donkey Kong Land III
- Donkey Kong Country (GBC)
- Monster Max
- Perfect Dark
- Super R.C. Pro-Am
- Wizards & Warriors X
- Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge
- Banjo-Pilot
- Donkey Kong Country
- Donkey Kong Country 2
- Donkey Kong Country 3
- It's Mr. Pants
- Sabrewulf
- Killer Instinct Gold
- Diddy Kong Racing
- Donkey Kong 64
- Perfect Dark
- Banjo-Tooie
- Conker's Bad Fur Day
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If Battletoads & Double Dragon came to NSO (specifically SNES), that would probably have me more hyped than Conker
Literally my entire playtime for the NES and Genesis apps is just doing this lol.
Colonel_Kerfuffle
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I predict that Blast Corps will be on the +18 N64 section in Japan.
Doubting if they do the same for the other consoles, and so adding Killer Instinct there.
And it would be hilarious if the +18 versions of Famicom and Super Famicom had western-exclusive games like Jelly Boy or Prehistorik Man.
Doubting if they do the same for the other consoles, and so adding Killer Instinct there.
And it would be hilarious if the +18 versions of Famicom and Super Famicom had western-exclusive games like Jelly Boy or Prehistorik Man.
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My brother and I played Captain Skyhawk and Kickle Cubicle nonstop as kids. Would love to have both on NSO. Who the hell owns Kickle Cubicle nowadays?
TheQuietone
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I just had a feeling that Pokémon wasn't going to be on NSO this year and looks like I was right. I guess it gives me an excuse not to retire my 3ds for another year at least. I'd still like to have Fire Red at an easier to place to play though.
Mer.Saloon
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Seeing as the NES and SNES catalogue are at their end-ish, it would be nice for these services to get updated with leaderboards or proper achievements or something to encourage people to keep engaging with some of these older apps outside of just new games joining the service.
Feels like once the newness rush ends, people just kinda looking forward to the next game.
Feels like once the newness rush ends, people just kinda looking forward to the next game.
OP
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I actually really like that. I'd love to see how my DKC 1 time compares to my friends list.
Maybe Nintendo will roll something like that with the next gen system.
thelegendofcap
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If Earthbound Beginnings and Starfox 2 got original art for their "Western debut" then they could have done the same for Devil World, Murasame Castle, Panel De Pon.... hell, they can even use mine that I made when i hacked my SNES mini:
JazzyFuture
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EarthBound Beginnings and Sin & Punishment got new boxes because they're fully playable in english. Sin & Punishment still has JP subtitles, but the menus have been translated since Wii VC iirc. Star Fox 2 got new boxart for every region because it didn't get released and never even had one initially.If Earthbound Beginnings and Starfox 2 got original art for their "Western debut" then they could have done the same for Devil World, Murasame Castle, Panel De Pon.... hell, they can even use mine that I made when i hacked my SNES mini:
The others are all in japanese, so I assume they did that to not make people assume that they're translated. It's a sign of "hey we didn't actually do anything for this release, it's still all in japanese, but mostly understandable"
Spikeylord
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And then you get the case of Daiva Story 6 on NES NSO, which afaik is just completely untranslated, and is also kinda text heavy (and only one part out of a 7 part saga, spanning 7 platforms).
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I still have no idea why they dropped that game on the US NSO. Might as well drop all the Fire Emblems they're just as "playable"
Anxious Absol
Piranha Plant
I don't understand why the order resets every single time they add a new game. I just want it to always default to alphabetical
kidgalactus
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How do people tell when there's a game trial going on? It never says in the online app
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Twitter announcement
Also Nintendo tends to post in the News section about a new game trial, but yeah rarely seems to suggest in the online app. It's a massive oversight (as much as it is not being consistent with when they have game trials)
LuigiBlood
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I've always seen active Game Trials in the NSO applet on Switch.Twitter announcement
Also Nintendo tends to post in the News section about a new game trial, but yeah rarely seems to suggest in the online app. It's a massive oversight (as much as it is not being consistent with when they have game trials)
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Ah, to clarify I meant I never saw them advertise a game trial prior to it going live, unless I've just had the misfortune to never check ahead of time when I see it on Twitter or the news app on Switch haha
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Literally came her to utter this thought. Especially with that new video they just put up
Just give us Mario Land 1, Nintendo, it's getting silly!
McRibbie
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...damn, that's a good shout right there.
Please, I also want this to happen.
Mer.Saloon
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Thunder84
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Given how deliberately slow they've been with the NSO rollout, I doubt we get two big GB games in one week. Super Mario Land alone is probably what we'll get, if anything at all.
I sure would love to be wrong, though.
BlackthornOrion
#theprocessbroke
tbf they have done a couple multi-game drops though. Rare games most recently, but also stuff like dropping the GBA versions of SMB3, World, and Yoshi's Island all at once
Adding two GB roms this week when the the last GB drop was Castlevania Legends back in October would still be keeping things pretty slow and deliberate imo
Thunder84
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I'd say there's a fairly distinct difference between dropping multiple 3rd party games from the same developer or multiple 1st party remasters (of games already on NSO, no less) vs. dropping two of the biggest remaining games for the console. It makes a lot more sense to group those together, whereas spreading out the big remaining 1st party GB games would suit Nintendo quite a bit better, especially since there aren't all that many of them left.
Release Super Mario Land as a fun Mar10 thing, and then sitting on Donkey Kong until it's time to unveil the next NSO GB roadmap, makes a lot more sense to me if they intend to continue generating hype like that.
OP
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A guy can dream.....
CesareNorrez
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If Nintendo did actually localize Mother 3 for English, they should release it as one of those SP versions in the Japanese GBA App. Or even more quietly as an update that lets you choose the language at the start of Mother 3. Then it would be trivial to play Mother 3 in English and they still wouldn’t officially release it in the west.
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I agree that SML is more likely to be done solo. But I was thinking that we'd be about a month past MvDK and dropping DK '94 might be a good move to provide more context around that release since they didn't do it prior to launch. And it's where some of Mario's 3D moveset originated from so it has bona fide reasons for a MAR10 celebration.
I could also see something with more tenuous links to Mario like Alleyway, Golf, or Tennis coming along too. Super Mario Land III: Wario Land might be a good option too but that's really a Wario game even if it would provide us with the full Land trilogy if it came with SML.
EDIT: Alternatively, Nintendo decides to mess with us and add Metroid: Zero Mission since they did Fusion last year at this time. Which I wouldn't complain about.
Rogue Agent
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If possible, I want an SP version of Fire Emblem 7 where all the difficulty options are unlocked right from the beginning for all protagonists.
OP
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Nintendo giving us Metroid: Zero Mission before that F-Zero game they promised over a year ago would be peak Nintendo.
Dinoman96
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I think this month we'll see F-Zero Maximum Velocity hit the NSO EP, it remains the only GBA game from last year's roadmap to still not be present on the service.
After that, it'll be curious to to see if Nintendo does any future N64/GBA roadmaps or just leave us in the dark for any future releases. If Brazil's right about there being some kind of General Direct in April, then that feels like a decent place to announce them.
After that, it'll be curious to to see if Nintendo does any future N64/GBA roadmaps or just leave us in the dark for any future releases. If Brazil's right about there being some kind of General Direct in April, then that feels like a decent place to announce them.
~okapi
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Four and a half months later, we finally get a Game Boy update, and one of the releases is… Dr. Mario. Interesting choice, lol
I do still think we will get Maximum Velocity at least later this month, these GB titles don’t have the gravitas of the Oracle games to warrant carrying a whole month on their own.
I do still think we will get Maximum Velocity at least later this month, these GB titles don’t have the gravitas of the Oracle games to warrant carrying a whole month on their own.
Mer.Saloon
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At least it isn't there alone. The two Camelot sports/rpgs make up for Dr. Mario GB being the worst way to play Dr. Mario.
Spikeylord
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It's time for another update to some graphics - first the NSO over time one:
And also, the "not on NSO" list for GB/GBC needs updating too:
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And, as we've gotten new GB games for the first time in a while, I'll add some comparison graphs for NSO GB compared to VC - which I neglected to do last time, mostly due to it being a complete wash:
As you can see, NSO is so far behind Virtual Console on 3DS that the comparison makes very little sense - it's taken over a year to reach the same number of titles that 3DS VC had after 7 weeks. But, there is a comparison that is a lot closer, which is:
...splitting the two services up by region. By doing this, we can see that - while nowhere comparable to the four main regions of Japan, North America, Europe and Oceania - NSO is doing about the same pace as the Virtual Console on 3DS in Korea, and significantly ahead of the frankly pathetic size of the selection on the Taiwanese/Hong Kongese Virtual Consoles (for those wondering, it's just the seven mainline Pokémon games on GB - including Green). NSO is obviously going to continue growing - whereas the Korean VC service topped out at 20 titles - and eventually NSO GB might start to approach at least the western VC services, but it's gonna take a long time at the current pace (like 4+ years from now).
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Finally, I noticed that March 11th will be the 2000th day of Nintendo Switch Online, so an updated version of the all NSO chart is in order (the new GB games are included, despite launching on the 2001st day of NSO):
As you can see, when comparing launch aligned, NES/FC is ahead of everything else, although SNES/SFC have caught up fairly well despite having a significantly slower first year than NES/FC. Genesis/MD kept rough pace with SNES for a while, but then just outright stopped 9 months ago. N64 and Game Boy are keeping pace with one another - but whereas for N64 this is the best pace and selection ever provided by Nintendo, Game Boy is amongst the worst. And then, there's GBA, which is not even managing to keep pace with GB and N64 - despite having a significantly larger library than the N64 (both in general, and on Wii U Virtual Console).
But, looking at the bigger picture - NSO is getting multiple new titles every single month; it's just that they're spread out over 6 platforms now, whereas in the earlier days it was only one or two platforms. If we compare this to the three Virtual Consoles:
...we can see that while NSO has been behind all three VCs for almost its entire existence - it is rapidly approaching the sum total of the 3DS Virtual Console; and we're reaching the point that the other three services stopped adding content, whereas it is assumed that NSO will continue to get new content throughout the lifecycle of the Switch's successor(s). As such with time, NSO may eventually grow to rival the Wii U VC or even the Wii VC in scale - just at a much more glacial pace than those platforms.
NSO is also fairly likely to outlive the Virtual Console services launch aligned with regards to being discontinued as a service as well - as even assuming it will only continue as long as Switch 2 - that would still result in another ~3000 days at least (assuming NSW2 launches next year and has a 7 year life-span), taking the service beyond the 5000 day mark, and into the 2030s.
And also, the "not on NSO" list for GB/GBC needs updating too:
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And, as we've gotten new GB games for the first time in a while, I'll add some comparison graphs for NSO GB compared to VC - which I neglected to do last time, mostly due to it being a complete wash:
As you can see, NSO is so far behind Virtual Console on 3DS that the comparison makes very little sense - it's taken over a year to reach the same number of titles that 3DS VC had after 7 weeks. But, there is a comparison that is a lot closer, which is:
...splitting the two services up by region. By doing this, we can see that - while nowhere comparable to the four main regions of Japan, North America, Europe and Oceania - NSO is doing about the same pace as the Virtual Console on 3DS in Korea, and significantly ahead of the frankly pathetic size of the selection on the Taiwanese/Hong Kongese Virtual Consoles (for those wondering, it's just the seven mainline Pokémon games on GB - including Green). NSO is obviously going to continue growing - whereas the Korean VC service topped out at 20 titles - and eventually NSO GB might start to approach at least the western VC services, but it's gonna take a long time at the current pace (like 4+ years from now).
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Finally, I noticed that March 11th will be the 2000th day of Nintendo Switch Online, so an updated version of the all NSO chart is in order (the new GB games are included, despite launching on the 2001st day of NSO):
As you can see, when comparing launch aligned, NES/FC is ahead of everything else, although SNES/SFC have caught up fairly well despite having a significantly slower first year than NES/FC. Genesis/MD kept rough pace with SNES for a while, but then just outright stopped 9 months ago. N64 and Game Boy are keeping pace with one another - but whereas for N64 this is the best pace and selection ever provided by Nintendo, Game Boy is amongst the worst. And then, there's GBA, which is not even managing to keep pace with GB and N64 - despite having a significantly larger library than the N64 (both in general, and on Wii U Virtual Console).
But, looking at the bigger picture - NSO is getting multiple new titles every single month; it's just that they're spread out over 6 platforms now, whereas in the earlier days it was only one or two platforms. If we compare this to the three Virtual Consoles:
...we can see that while NSO has been behind all three VCs for almost its entire existence - it is rapidly approaching the sum total of the 3DS Virtual Console; and we're reaching the point that the other three services stopped adding content, whereas it is assumed that NSO will continue to get new content throughout the lifecycle of the Switch's successor(s). As such with time, NSO may eventually grow to rival the Wii U VC or even the Wii VC in scale - just at a much more glacial pace than those platforms.
NSO is also fairly likely to outlive the Virtual Console services launch aligned with regards to being discontinued as a service as well - as even assuming it will only continue as long as Switch 2 - that would still result in another ~3000 days at least (assuming NSW2 launches next year and has a 7 year life-span), taking the service beyond the 5000 day mark, and into the 2030s.
Concernt
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Not that it isn't helpful shorthand but marking 3DS and the Switch as "PAL" gives me conniptions.It's time for another update to some graphics - first the NSO over time one:
And also, the "not on NSO" list for GB/GBC needs updating too:
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And, as we've gotten new GB games for the first time in a while, I'll add some comparison graphs for NSO GB compared to VC - which I neglected to do last time, mostly due to it being a complete wash:
As you can see, NSO is so far behind Virtual Console on 3DS that the comparison makes very little sense - it's taken over a year to reach the same number of titles that 3DS VC had after 7 weeks. But, there is a comparison that is a lot closer, which is:
...splitting the two services up by region. By doing this, we can see that - while nowhere comparable to the four main regions of Japan, North America, Europe and Oceania - NSO is doing about the same pace as the Virtual Console on 3DS in Korea, and significantly ahead of the frankly pathetic size of the selection on the Taiwanese/Hong Kongese Virtual Consoles (for those wondering, it's just the seven mainline Pokémon games on GB - including Green). NSO is obviously going to continue growing - whereas the Korean VC service topped out at 20 titles - and eventually NSO GB might start to approach at least the western VC services, but it's gonna take a long time at the current pace (like 4+ years from now).
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Finally, I noticed that March 11th will be the 2000th day of Nintendo Switch Online, so an updated version of the all NSO chart is in order (the new GB games are included, despite launching on the 2001st day of NSO):
As you can see, when comparing launch aligned, NES/FC is ahead of everything else, although SNES/SFC have caught up fairly well despite having a significantly slower first year than NES/FC. Genesis/MD kept rough pace with SNES for a while, but then just outright stopped 9 months ago. N64 and Game Boy are keeping pace with one another - but whereas for N64 this is the best pace and selection ever provided by Nintendo, Game Boy is amongst the worst. And then, there's GBA, which is not even managing to keep pace with GB and N64 - despite having a significantly larger library than the N64 (both in general, and on Wii U Virtual Console).
But, looking at the bigger picture - NSO is getting multiple new titles every single month; it's just that they're spread out over 6 platforms now, whereas in the earlier days it was only one or two platforms. If we compare this to the three Virtual Consoles:
...we can see that while NSO has been behind all three VCs for almost its entire existence - it is rapidly approaching the sum total of the 3DS Virtual Console; and we're reaching the point that the other three services stopped adding content, whereas it is assumed that NSO will continue to get new content throughout the lifecycle of the Switch's successor(s). As such with time, NSO may eventually grow to rival the Wii U VC or even the Wii VC in scale - just at a much more glacial pace than those platforms.
NSO is also fairly likely to outlive the Virtual Console services launch aligned with regards to being discontinued as a service as well - as even assuming it will only continue as long as Switch 2 - that would still result in another ~3000 days at least (assuming NSW2 launches next year and has a 7 year life-span), taking the service beyond the 5000 day mark, and into the 2030s.
Maybe "MENA"? "Rest of world"? It's a video standard, not a region, after all, and it's one Nintendo Switch simply does not support.
Spikeylord
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I mean, PAL has been the common shorthand for EU + AUS/NZ for a long time now - and the other names don't accurately describe the region either:
- MENA explicitly excludes the main two regions that I'm referring to with PAL, as it stands for "Middle East and North Africa"
- Rest of World has broader implications than I'm intending, for example SEA, China and Taiwan would all come under RoW - but none of those have NSO, and if/when they do get NSO, they likely won't be sharing a region with Europe or Oceania anyways
- EMEA is better than MENA at least, as it stands for "Europe, the Middle East and Africa" - but still excludes Oceania
- DVB is the modern digital broadcasting standard that most closely matches PAL in the area it covers (because North America and Japan still think they're too special to use the same format as the rest of the developed world)- but there are still problems with this:
- While PAL televisions were designed specifically to accommodate the PAL broadcasting standard, and had a specialised resolution/framerate etc. that corresponded to this - DVB doesn't really have a similar equivalent, and games consoles aren't the same as television broadcasts anyways.
- Nobody has even really heard of DVB, as it has never been used for marketing in the same way PAL has been.
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