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Does everyone here think we’ll see more footage of this game before the year is over?
Does everyone here think we’ll see more footage of this game before the year is over?
Probably controversial but I wouldn't be against it being right after Super. Ignoring Other M even lol. But I don't it being like "years before the trilogy" would be that bad of an idea tbh.I think the most logical place in the timelike it could take place in assuming we finally have a consistent timeline is between other M and fusion
I'm sure it'll have new footage on the Switch 2 reveal trailer. I don't know if it appears on the September Direct tho... It might highlight an unannounced game instead imo. Kinda like TotK didn't appear on the September 2021 Direct with Bayo 3 and Kirby being announced instead.Does everyone here think we’ll see more footage of this game before the year is over?
I've been saying this is the big shake up metroid needs, I was surprised dread wasn't the game to do this.
Absolutely. It's not a big seller and it needs every dollar it can getSo are we thinking this will be Nintendo's second $70 game?
No. Nintendo’s not taking that chance with Metroid.So are we thinking this will be Nintendo's second $70 game?
Absolutely. It's not a big seller and it needs every dollar it can get
The duality of manNo. Nintendo’s not taking that chance with Metroid.
Does everyone here think we’ll see more footage of this game before the year is over?
I'd love to be wrong of courseThe duality of man
Metroid Prime Remastered sold fine and was $40 for a 20 year old game.Absolutely. It's not a big seller and it needs every dollar it can get
Yeah, probably in a direct in October or November. They still showed footage for 3DS games when switch was out.Does everyone here think we’ll see more footage of this game before the year is over?
Yeah, I changed my mind... They won't risk it with Metroid, as @Dark Cloud pointed outMetroid Prime Remastered sold fine and was $40 for a 20 year old game.
Yeah, probably in a direct in October or November. They still showed footage for 3DS games when switch was out.
I only say that because Metroid Prime Remastered was $40 and every other remaster Nintendo does is $50 or more. I think they’ll keep that in mind and not want to do $70, But who knows maybe it’ll be $70Yeah, I changed my mind... They won't risk it with Metroid, as @Dark Cloud pointed out
There's not gonna be a Switch 2 reveal trailer this year imo - that's early next year.Yes, when we see it being played on Switch 2 during the reveal trailer.
I'm pretty happy with it as is, but ever since learning about the Silhouette levels in DKCR, I've thought it would be cool if we had either a visor or a specific region that had that sort of style going on.was hoping for a different art style.
It's all my own fault for having sky high expectations
Honestly yeah, I feel like the bits of criticism for this have been from people having in their heads Exactly what they want Prime 4 to be and expecting no deviation from that, and getting mad when Retro is giving us something different from the hyperspecific thing in their head.True. My personal position has been to just enjoy finally having a new Prime game to discover. I don't really want to judge many aspects of the game until I actually play it.
It's weird to hear so many people expect DOOM shooting/combat mechanics. That's literally what those games are about. Shooting demons. Metroid focuses it's design on so many other aspects that DOOM does not. It's like expecting an RPG to have the combat mechanics of a Bayonetta game.
What are the thoughts on the purple logo?
I love it, personally! To quote myself from a discord DM:I don't like the logo but I think it fits with the other games and will look nice with a cool Samus pose in the boxart
Though yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing the full boxart for thisI like the old announcement title's aesthetic, but putting them side by side, the new one just looks so... mwah
Plus after how Phazon Blue kinda defined Corruption's aesthetic, I love the shift to purple-violet for a more distinct feel
(Instead it can sorta overlap with Echoes' defining color choices, whoops, but nevermind that :V )
Also I just like purble
And that silvery black hole shape is still so sleek and interesting of a choice
Just aaaaaaaaaaa
This may never happen, but someday I hope we get some insight on the original version of Metroid Prime 4 that was scrapped. It would be SUPER interesting to hear what went wrong there lol. This title would be an excellent candidate for an Ask the Developer interview; I’d love to hear the backstory here.
Looking forward to it! This has been on my mind ever since the restart announcement, so really curious to find out just what went down. (Or apparently didn't go down, based on that comment.)There have been a lot of theories about what happened and most of them (as I understand it) are pretty off base. I want to tell the story one day but only after MP4 comes out.
I like to think of the Echoes/Samus Returns/Super gunship as her RV camper van, and the Corruption/FF/Beyond gunship as her ridiculously-well-armed cross-country chopper motorcycle, in terms of function. One's where you live and sleep most of the time but also travel around with, the other is for when you want to get in and out of somewhere fast and not have to worry about parking space, and also expect to blow shit up real good. You can technically take a nap there, too, but it's not gonna be a great one. And the Prime gunship is... there too. (ZM and Fusion/Dread ships obviously predate and postdate these three, so not as relevant)Was always my idea, too.
After so many successful missions, and probably amassing quite a bit of cash, she probably would have a couple different rides she could cycle through, like Batman.
...Ohhh I love that idea! Would be cool to have a boss fight or two using this as a mechanic.But all of this talk about how Samus' ship looks like her helmet, makes me want to see RetroStudios make MP5 on Switch 2.
That incorporates a gameplay mechanic where she can call in her gun ship and merge with it (Samus Hulkbuster style) for larger enemies...
I would love a Hunters remake so much, especially if it could expand on the campaign and do more with the other Hunters. Lots of good character and backstory let down by the DS's limitations and the mid-development priority shifts.a hunters remake would be dope, but it won't ever happen
maybe NST's next project?
I'm curious about the bridge visible in the distance in that last shot. I wonder what the (presumably long deceased) civilisation is like. Assuming it's not just Chozo again.
Yeah, that stuck out to me too! Looks like we'll get a lot stronger sense of landmarking in general, if that's anything to go off of. Skytown but more specific than a bunch of very similar-looking towers; the ability to see something like that tree or that bridge in the distance and travel to it. Not open-world, not like Zelda, but a Metroidvania where you can catch glimpses of the places you'll be visiting eventually.I think seeing that huge tree at the end of the trailer alongside the bridge-like construct in the distance has me thinking there's probably going to be a lot of moments where you'll be looking back while looking forward. I think the sense of progression in this one compared to the previous games will likely be like no other. That tree is probably going to be visible from many areas in the world.
Theories on Sylux's true identity?
Re: Sylux's identity - I mean, does he need one?
I've never thought that Sylux needed a secret identity. Like... Metroid barely has much of an expanded cast list now, must less when Hunters released. If he's always supposed to have been someone long-time players would know, there's pretty much no one to choose. Like, who would it be? Gray Voice? Are we making all of Samus's dads evil now? Is Samus not allowed to have one good thing from her childhood?
Yeah, backing these responses. Since their introduction, we've known that Sylux is a mystery, so on some level the idea of there being some sort of secret identity behind the mask is a natural one, but it also feels like the most boring route to take. I hope the reason for all the mystery around Sylux isn't because they're secretly someone we already know, but because learning their identity gives vital context to understanding their motivations.I'd be happy with Sylux having some kind of hopefully well-written motivation and background, but I don't want them to be related to Samus or old friends. Our most recent big bad in Dread was already a personal encounter for Samus, so having another one in a similar vein so soon would feel too formulaic and convenient for me.
Even if I don't love this specific theory, I do really like the idea of their endgame goal being different from expected, and trying to prevent something terrible would be a great way to tie into the time travel concept. It could also introduce some internal conflict in them, if they're caught between prioritizing revenge for the past or undoing it in the first place, along with potentially impacting Samus's own response to their plans.That said, it wouldn't surprise me if Sylux is after the means of time travel in this way for a very poignant reason. Especially if my theory about him being another survivor from Samus' home colony pans out.
This is also an interesting theory, and at least adjacent to one I've kinda kicked around before - given all the inconsistencies around Metroid Prime winding up in the sealed impact crater on Tallon IV to begin with, it would be interesting if the Metroid from the end of Federation Force wound up traveling back in time to end up there, bypassing the Chozo seal that way? Not one I'm married to, but it would be a cool way to bring some things full circle in a sense.That said, with Sylux having the Mochtroids and maybe time travel being a possibility, what if he's responsible for Metroid Prime/Dark Samus returning?
Definitely expecting the former, at least. The latter strikes me as hard to pull off in a Metroidvania format, (the closest other thing I can think of is the Arbiter sections in Halo 2, and those have the benefit of a broken-up level-based structure with clear natural dividers for the POV swap to occur) it probably isn't impossible.Some random thoughts:
I'm guessing Sylux is the Dark Samus equivalent of this game. There will be some great boss fights with him, but I would think the final boss would be something a bit bigger and more intimidating.
What if there are some sections where you play as Sylux? I doubt this will happen, but if they were short and didn't interrupt the flow too much, it could be really fun.
Yeah! Going back to what I said about an initial uncanny valley feeling, this really threw me off at first, especially with something about the lighting of the visor making it look more rounded and bubble-y than it actually is, but now that I've gotten used to it, I really love how it looks. More metallic and... gritty? overall, but not so shiny and desaturated that it loses its core charm.I, for one, am obsessed about her suit's shading. It looks so metallic and shiny but has that liiiiiiittle touch of plastic that makes it delicious to look at.
Yeah, I do concur here. Hopefully we get some completely new suits like in Echoes to make up for that.I was hoping for a more unique prime 4 varia suit design, but it's basically a refined interpretation of the existing prime 3 varia. It looks better than it ever did before, but it's not new. Dread began with a brand new iteration of the fusion suit and that was exciting, I wish I could say the same here, but I can't...yet.
I strongly prefer the Prime 2 and 3 Varia Suit to Prime 4's. Androgyny has been a core design principle of Samus's suits since the original Metroid, with it being made deliberately ambiguous as to whether you were looking at a man, woman, alien, or android. Prime 4's Samus, in contrast, looks more overtly feminine in shape, but also smaller and less imposing than she did in Prime 1-3, which I've seen some discourse about among fans. Curious to know what you folks think.
I'm with Vaenyr on this one. The edit doesn't really convey that well just how ridiculous the proportions of the prior Prime games' renditions of Samus are. Even leaving out the armor shaping and just going off of where the joint in there should be, she used to have some weird stuff going on, with a wasp waist and gorilla linebacker upper body; the Prime 1 Power suit in particular highlights this through the lack of the shoulder spheres to hide it. And even there, her waist wasn't as narrow as it got in Corruption!For me it's the opposite way. The MP4 design is more androgynous thanks to the bigger visor and the bulkier waist. The MP3 design has a bit of a wasp's waist, which often gets associated with female characters.
Huh. Ironically enough, the Samus Returns Varia Suit is my absolute favorite rendition of it, for exactly the reasons you gave here for disliking it. Only thing it's missing is the shoe spikes, IMO, and probably a slightly thicker waist, even if it's not as exaggerated as the Prime Trilogy proportions. Feels like the perfect compromise between sleekness and tankiness in all the right places to me, and they truly understood the assignment with making those shoulders exactly as massive as they need to be without going overboard; anything less would just be a waste/missing the point.I love their Dread designs, but their Samus Returns Varia Suit is my least favorite ever, next to Other M's. The shoulders just had no business being so comically massive, and they played up the green lights quite a bit, which I was similarly not the most fond of.
Genuinely perfect.Forget everything I said earlier. This is what I wanted
It’s also possible that the war-torn rocky area at the start and the lush forest area at the end are the same area separated by eons and visited through time travel.The planet with the trees at the end reads visually as a prehistoric area, what with the gigantic fern-like trees, the cascading waterfalls (think Cascade Kingdom from Super Mario Odyssey) and the pterodactyl-like flying creatures. BTW imagine fighting an adult version of those as a boss!
So this aesthetic could give slightly more credence to the time idea that Tanabe wanted to explore.
I strongly prefer the Prime 2 and 3 Varia Suit to Prime 4's. Androgyny has been a core design principle of Samus's suits since the original Metroid, with it being made deliberately ambiguous as to whether you were looking at a man, woman, alien, or android. Prime 4's Samus, in contrast, looks more overtly feminine in shape, but also smaller and less imposing than she did in Prime 1-3, which I've seen some discourse about among fans. Curious to know what you folks think.
The power of Switch 2, folks.Some folks on Era observed that beam projectiles now cast light again, a visual touch that was absent from Metroid Prime Remastered:
There's not gonna be a Switch 2 reveal trailer this year imo - that's early next year.
So will this be the final Metroid Prime game?
I get the feeling Nintendo wants to release this and then move on.
I mean it's very obvious they are saving this for Switch 2 launch. At this point why would anyone expect the opposite?Please don't yell at me, but Prime 4 having global lighting versus baked lighting is one more piece of evidence it's gonna be crossgen with some graphical updates for the Switch 2 version.
Because there's no official confirmation of launch window for 2witch? Rumours and speculation only take you so farI mean it's very obvious they are saving this for Switch 2 launch. At this point why would anyone expect the opposite?
Yeah, but there are some holdouts who don't think there's gonna be a Switch 2 version, or that the Switch 2 version won't be noticeably different beyond stuff the Switch 2 will be able to do natively like up-resing. I think Retro are gonna sex it up a bit - add lighting and effects and so forth.I mean it's very obvious they are saving this for Switch 2 launch. At this point why would anyone expect the opposite?
How mad would y'all be if Sylux was just a clone of Adam? The clone learned of why his original was killed and vowed revenge against the federation.
I'm split. On one hand, I reckon they'd wanna further build upon Prime 4's foundation, considering they've no doubt poured astronomical amounts of time and money into it. From that standpoint, following it up with an iterative Prime 5 would make a lot of sense.So will this be the final Metroid Prime game?
I get the feeling Nintendo wants to release this and then move on.
Some folks on Era observed that beam projectiles now cast light again, a visual touch that was absent from Metroid Prime Remastered:
How mad would y'all be if Sylux was just a clone of Adam? The clone learned of why his original was killed and vowed revenge against the federation.
Yeah I'm kind of surprised to see so many expect a Switch 2 announcement/showcase this year - based on statement from Furukawa, forecast and the most recent direct it screams early 2025 reveal to me.
Listen I know this wouldn't run well on the current Switch.
But all of this talk about how Samus' ship looks like her helmet, makes me want to see RetroStudios make MP5 on Switch 2.
That incorporates a gameplay mechanic where she can call in her gun ship and merge with it (Samus Hulkbuster style) for larger enemies...
Oh and everyone really should go watch the direct feed videos on Nintendo.com, the quality really is completely different!
So are we thinking this will be Nintendo's second $70 game?
Absolutely. I will be buying.the real question is
will there be a Limited Edition + amiibo, right?!
Absolutely. I will be buying.
Hopefully they're one and the same! I'll need to save some money for importing regional merchandise like this, after all.Switch 1 or Switch 2 edition?
(We both know that the only correct answer you can give is "both".)
Hopefully they're one and the same! I'll need to save some money for importing regional merchandise like this, after all.
Hopefully they're one and the same! I'll need to save some money for importing regional merchandise like this, after all.
That's rad! I have everything in that picture except the black Dread shirt. Two of the thermos, both obtained for me by good friends. Thing's sick, ain't it?!HAHA
I bought the black t-shirt and the thermos at the Nintendo Store in Tokyo! I actually have the thermos on my desk at work right now
Scanning's great. Seriously need more lore, my appetite for lore is ravenous. In fact, I wish scanning Space Pirates told you what species they were. I need to know...I think we could all agree gameplay doesn't show anything other than it's Metroid Prime series.
Some may shit on the scanning, wishing no scanning.
If it's the case, then I have to say, scanning is in Prime series just for the atmosphere dude. During gameplay section, scanning just an interact button.
Again, atmosphere.
One extreme example could be,
on the trailer, when Samus jump off the ship, dirts & small rock rumbles. Does it indicate gravity mechanics implemented in the game?
Beam lights weren't 100% disabled in prime remastered, in some rooms your shots would still illuminate walls, though not nearly as strongly as in the original. I'm guessing the effect was enabled on either a per-surface or per-room basis depending on if they had performance headroom in a given scene or not.Some folks on Era observed that beam projectiles now cast light again, a visual touch that was absent from Metroid Prime Remastered:
That's rad! I have everything in that picture except the black Dread shirt. Two of the thermos, both obtained for me by good friends. Thing's sick, ain't it?!
That's really neat! When it comes to collecting Metroid stuff, I draw one of my lines at clothing (with some exceptions), but I've been tempted to hit up eBay for that Dread shirt, lol.you know the t-shirt has glow in the dark insert? Samus visor, for example..!
Have you watched the uncompressed trailer? Great stuff.This looks like a $90 game compared to TOTK when it comes to visuals. Holy shit!!!!!