Not when fsr exists. Dlss and fsr are more analogous than people want to admit. The machine learning just gives a better qualityThe gimmick for next gen Switch hybrid is DLSS, simple as that
Not when fsr exists. Dlss and fsr are more analogous than people want to admit. The machine learning just gives a better qualityThe gimmick for next gen Switch hybrid is DLSS, simple as that
That's like saying FSR is a gimmick for ps5, Xbox and PC. Rendering tech is not a gimmick imo.The gimmick for next gen Switch hybrid is DLSS, simple as that
As I've said before, I personally expect Nintendo to continue releasing gimmicks in the form of separate hardware accessories (e.g. Nintendo Labo, Ring-Con, Nintendo Switch Leg Strap, etc.) for Nintendo's new hardware.
I can almost guarantee it lol. The horsemen are lurking after all.
if this is true, could we expect a anouncement for Nintendo next console very soon?
Only took 6 hours LOL
12 hours? YouTubers be like: "I can beat that target easily!"this will be a youtube video in 12 hours
No. Creating a retailer listing doesn't require any official knowledge.if this is true, could we expect a anouncement for Nintendo next console very soon?
i see, true considering we have games that was never formely anounced and yet is listed on retailerNo. Creating a retailer listing doesn't require any official knowledge.
that looks like one of those soyjaks....
Only took 6 hours LOL
why did he perfectly crop it on his hairline....
Only took 6 hours LOL
I was curious to see the video and most of it is things that happened in the week and like 2 minutes of the "retail leak". He does say he talk to some retailers in Spain and said they have been moving things around to prepare for it (no date).
Only took 6 hours LOL
Honestly in the 7 years Switch has been out, and me being out and about, not once have I seen that happen. I've seen people play the Switch outside with friends, but it was always either they all had Switches and playing together, or some had and the others just watched them play portable.I'm going to try to word this in the most respectful way possible, but it feels like the people here talking about things like tabletop mode and local multiplayer being underused are not aware of Nintendo Switch being used outside their own bubble.
Nintendo Switch is a very mainstream product. I see all kinds of people in public with a Switch. And I have seen many settings/been in situations where someone with a Switch says "hey, wanna play Mario Kart/Mario Party/etc?" and hands over a joycon/sets up tabletop mode. These are ideas that are fundamental to the appeal of the Switch. It's not just a portable console, it's the most convenient and casual way to play multiplayer games on the go or in a public setting. If anything Switch 2 will refine and improve these concepts, not get rid of them.
see why PC gaming could be a major competion for Nintendo next console
see why PC gaming could be a major competion for Nintendo next console
see why PC gaming could be a major competion for Nintendo next console
GIMMICK
In my view, this is not applicable in any significant way to Switch' hybridity: that fundamentally and permanently changes (or, more precisely, adds to) the ecosystem in gaming and for Nintendo, since they restructured their development pipeline around this single system. It is a core focus of the product, not in any way a gimmick. Plus it produced real value for the consumer that is not just momentary shiny new thing.something that is not serious or of real value that is used to attract people's attention or interest temporarily, especially to make them buy something
Maybe they believe its 8nm. Or maybe they are oblivious to the fact that the SD isn't the pinnacle of power efficiency.At least they’ll be positively surprised when Switch 2 is unveiled. Several people from IGN seem to think it won’t be as powerful as a standard SteamDeck. Seems an odd take to me and completely at odds with any known information, which they are also oblivious to.
I understand that it's for the better that they don't go around reporting our stuff like crazy but it really annoys me when mainstream news sources talk shit like this.At least they’ll be positively surprised when Switch 2 is unveiled. Several people from IGN seem to think it won’t be as powerful as a standard SteamDeck. Seems an odd take to me and completely at odds with any known information, which they are also oblivious to.
see why PC gaming could be a major competion for Nintendo next console
More likely the latter. I don't think most people are thinking this specifically about process node. Many are convinced that the Switch 2 must be the Steam Deck's size to match its power.Maybe they believe its 8nm. Or maybe they are oblivious to the fact that the SD isn't a pinnacle of power efficiency.
To be fair, I have the feeling that even Digital Foundry are in the mode that the chip will be 8nm, probably because Ampere was (even though Lovelace is on a different node and the T239 takes features from this architecture as well). I also think that the people at this IGN podcast have narry an idea how to even begin to determine what is and is not possible for a given chip at a given power draw (which is fine).Maybe they believe its 8nm. Or maybe they are oblivious to the fact that the SD isn't the pinnacle of power efficiency.
We can assume most or all of them have a game in development which they plan to release on Nintendo's hardware, so they are "actually working on it." But rather than 240 out of 3000 in a sample that was 62% North American/26% European, 32% indie/38% non-AAA or AA developers, I think low double digits is the max who may have already been signed on with Nintendo to develop and release for the system.Meanwhile, the survey on the platforms they're currently working on is something that I would consider a much, much stronger evidence of things actually happening. The % of people who stated that they're working on the Switch successor isn't unusually high, which makes sense: again, given the poll of people interviewed, it makes perfect sense that only a tiny amount of them have been actually informed of the full technical details of the platform (so work can start on properly-specced PCs even before the dev kits arrive) and that an even tinier amount has already access to dev kits; after all, 18% of the interviewed developers stated to be part of an AAA company, 11% of an AA studio. Therefore, I don't agree with the idea that the vast majority of the developers replying to this specific part of the survey are merely stating their intention rather than being actually working on it.
We use Merriam-Webster in this house, how dare you.Gimmick has an inherently negative definition, it is not just a connotation. Let's wip out the Cambridge dictionary
Yea and even though everything seems to point to 5nm, there is still a non zero chance we are wrong. If we are, I can see it being weaker than SD.To be fair, I have the feeling that even Digital Foundry are in the mode that the chip will be 8nm, probably because Ampere was (even though Lovelace is on a different node and the T239 takes features from this architecture as well). I also think that the people at this IGN podcast have narry an idea how to even begin to determine what is and is not possible for a given chip at a given power draw (which is fine).
That's good though, it's works to Nintendos advantage to have the mass market expecting a less powerful device and then pleasantly surprising them with a more powerful device, than having expectations too high and be disappointed by a less powerful deviceThe main opinion on the internet outside this thread is that the next switch will be between xbox one and ps4 in terms of power, with over the ps4 as the most optimistic and definitely not on par with the steam deck, of course those are just uneducated guesses thrown around because it's a nintendo console and those are always underpowered. So it doesn't surprise me that most discussion will be debating with that range in mind.
If anything it will help them, because more devs will scale their games for a lower spec.Im sorta suprised how seemingly obsessed this thread is with the Steam Deck.
The Steam Deck is as of right now not any threat to Nintendo, but some posts here reads like it is.
I think it's going to be the opposite, since the next switch power will probably be less obvious and more hard to pinpoint with dlss and it's also going to be compared to ps5 and series x from the start a lot of misinformation and speculation that we're seeing now might just stick for years to come, it wouldn't surprise me if the idea that the next switch is just as powerful as a ps4 will stick for years after it's release, I mean I know people that thought that the switch wasn't as powerful as a ps3 years after launch, unoptimized ports and faulty memories of past generations can do this type of magic.That's good though, it's works to Nintendos advantage to have the mass market expecting a less powerful device and then pleasantly surprising them with a more powerful device, than having expectations too high and be disappointed by a less powerful device
For them, this will just be free hype on announcement day
The steam deck is 400$ and has many things that cost valve more because they’re less imbedded into the mobo, they buy much less than Nintendo will, the Soc is less efficient due to its cpu and gpu architecture and process node, it was supposed to come out in late 2021 so it’s very old, etc etc. Unless they want to make 3rd party devs very mad and save some up front r&d cost.Yea and even though everything seems to point to 5nm, there is still a non zero chance we are wrong. If we are, I can see it being weaker than SD.
negativity is engagement bait. from people wanting to counter it to people looking to confirm their biasesSeems an odd take to me and completely at odds with any known information, which they are also oblivious to.
I just like the Steam Deck and it's cool to see what hardware similarly (or slightly larger) than the Switch Format can be capable of.Im sorta suprised how seemingly obsessed this thread is with the Steam Deck.
The Steam Deck is as of right now not any threat to Nintendo, but some posts here reads like it is.
I meant that Samsung 8nm is a very bad process node, and Switch in handheld mode will operate at a much lower power budget than the SD. I don't see that cpu and gpu architecture will be enough to compensate, if it is indeed 8nm.The steam deck is 400$ and has many things that cost valve more because they’re less imbedded into the mobo, they buy much less than Nintendo will, the Soc is less efficient due to its cpu and gpu architecture and process node, it was supposed to come out in late 2021 so it’s very old, etc etc. Unless they want to make 3rd party devs very mad and save some up front r&d cost.
This is the best way to do it. I personally loved Labo and bought the VR set for example. It was extremely gimmick and very fun without compromising the design of the actual console like what happened with the 3DS or the Wii U. The modular design of the Switch allows for such innovations and I would love to see much more this next generation.As I've said before, I personally expect Nintendo to continue releasing gimmicks in the form of separate hardware accessories (e.g. Nintendo Labo, Ring-Con, Nintendo Switch Leg Strap, etc.) for Nintendo's new hardware.
And none of them will play the latest Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Super Smash. If Xbox is not eating Sony and Nintendo's lunch, these consoles wont either. But it's very cool they exist and that they try to maximize what they can do."The Steam Deck and its competitors are probably going to be more powerful than whatever the Switch 2 ends up being"
"The handheld PCs are going to be likely at worst equal and most likely better than the Switch 2 in terms of processing power"
Not one mention of cost, size, battery, console optimization, etc.
Not when fsr exists. Dlss and fsr are more analogous than people want to admit. The machine learning just gives a better quality
Oh ok. So no need a gimmick anymore. Gimmick in Switch 3, not in Switch 2That's like saying FSR is a gimmick for ps5, Xbox and PC. Rendering tech is not a gimmick imo.
I mean....looking back to the PS1, this is basically the list of new ideas seen on Sony and Xbox consoles:Gaming fandom law -
A new idea shall only be considered a gimmick if said new idea is implemented by Nintendo.
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I remember when people who had Playstations thought the N64’s analogue stick was a gimmick - “That stupid little joystick” was genuinely a comment I heard more than once.
...but that can as easily describe "the CPU is ten times more capable" as it does "full spacial tracking controllers".I agree they don‘t have to come up with a gimmick, but Nintendo has mentioned multiple times in the last years, that they‘re trying to build games on new hardware which wouldn’t be possible on prior one. The question is how big or small it‘ll be. Whatever it is, it‘s probably going to expand the Switch concept.
It's the only other relevant portable system on the market, and it's good for comparing specs to. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's a threat to Nintendo or not, this is the hardware thread.Im sorta suprised how seemingly obsessed this thread is with the Steam Deck.
The Steam Deck is as of right now not any threat to Nintendo, but some posts here reads like it is.
just predictions but hey maybe there's a chancelil browell respected 'heavy hitter' journalist knows something