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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)
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ERezaSwitch
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Their competitors are using dedicated servers though
. If Nintendo thinks, they can just raise the prices without quality changes, they`ll lose long term.pelusilla6
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In the announcement of a direct, they always state a small description of what the direct will look like. Perhaps they'll say "future Nintendo Switch games for 2024, and a new generation of Nintendo". Would be similar to a tweet of a new generation trailer. Although as a "one last thing" is perhaps something they don't want announce.
But perhaps the yolo bird Pyoro would say something for that to happen in a direct. If he is gonna say something
@NateDrake you still positive about something March, or do you want to save that in your podcast? I vaguely remember something in those lines came from you.
I won't be expecting servers for their multiplayer competitive games such as Smash, Splatoon, Arms, etc. anytime soon tbh. as running and maintaining server farms for so many games will definitely be very expensive. It's why server shutdowns for old and/or dead multiplayer games make sense from a business perspective, as they're likely not making any more money off of them while still having to pay the bills to keep the servers up and running.Their competitors are using dedicated servers though
Just raising the price without offering anything new would definitely be a dumb move for Nintendo, no doubt. A new tier is more likely to happen.
So yeah, not going to see many 1st party multiplayer games utilize servers, if at all. But i do hope Nintendo can at least start implementing rollback netcode in these types of games on the NG, because as far as i remember Sakurai himself said in one of his videos he couldn't implement it for Smash Ultimate because the hardware power wasn't there to support it.
The same was also said from some 3rd party dev that made a multiplatform fighting game that did have rollback netcode on PS & Xbox but not on Switch for the above mentioned reason. (Forgot which game and developer it was as i'm not really into this genre of games.)
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New article from Bloomberg about investors and analysts believing stock is overvalued for Nintendo and Switch 2 won't be able to keep up with Switch success no matter what. Also Mochi mentions on Twitter that he has no clue about Switch 2 as of now.
Interested to hear @Shareholder Chad 's opinion on this. (I tend to agree with it personally.)
Nintendo’s Record Gain Tested in Wait for ‘Switch 2’: Tech Watch
Nintendo Co.’s recent climb to a record high is looking increasingly stretched as investors wait for news on the successor to its aging Switch game console.www.bloomberg.com
I've got a lot of thoughts on this but I'll keep it quick
- Nintendo's stock is overvalued due to the recent rise (opinion) but that can change once we know what Switch 2 is officially. ITs the unknown. The mystery box effect that is luring people in but not enough to keep them once its announced if Switch 2 doesn't impress.
- Nintendo is NOT at an all time high in the stock
- Every shareholder I've talked to in my inner circles is wanting to exit because of the rise or atleast take some profit. The Switch 2 announcement is a thorn in our side. I personally believe it will impress and we won't see a sustained sell off (meaning exiting is foolish) but I understand the counter argument.
- It IS possible for Switch 2 to outsell Switch 1. Saying otherwise is just a bad take. Mochi is just looking at numbers and making assumptions.
Shareholder Chad
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I agree with most of this.
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Kool Savis
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While i get your point, i still think games like Mario Kart, Splatoon, Smash and some of the big franchises would benefit from their own servers. These games got a active fanbase and Nintendo could maintain them about 5 to 10 years.
Rollback Netcode for fighting games is a good idea. Maybe the game you mean, was DB FighterZ?
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In all fairness, this is what sales data has shown from their past systems. Every Nintendo home console sold less than its predecessor until the Wii, which was an innovation. The Wii U then sold significantly less than the Wii, after which the Switch found success through "innovation" once again. The handhelds followed a similar trajectory.
I think it's laughable to call the Switch 2 "doomed", especially pre-announcement/release, but I also don't think we should say for certain that an iterative Switch successor will necessarily be a guaranteed success like it is for Sony.
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That's way too big to be the switch 2.
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Investors seeing a car company that makes 1.3 million (poorly made) cars per year : "let's make it the biggest car company in the world in terms of valuation, that stock can never be high enough"New article from Bloomberg about investors and analysts believing stock is overvalued for Nintendo and Switch 2 won't be able to keep up with Switch success no matter what. Also Mochi mentions on Twitter that he has no clue about Switch 2 as of now.
Interested to hear @Shareholder Chad 's opinion on this. (I tend to agree with it personally.)
Nintendo’s Record Gain Tested in Wait for ‘Switch 2’: Tech Watch
Nintendo Co.’s recent climb to a record high is looking increasingly stretched as investors wait for news on the successor to its aging Switch game console.
Investors seeing a video game company that has a shitload of cash on hand, has one of the most sold video game consoles of all time, own a lot of extremely valuable IPs, etc... : "nah, that stock is overvalued"
It was relatively recent, sometime last year i believe?
Did a quick google and "DNF Duel" came up regarding rollback on PS+Xbox but not Switch. Never heard of that game before but this must've been the case that i was thinking about while writing the previous post.
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The symbiotic relationship between analysts, investors and stock is truly fascinating. It‘s beautiful./s
RennanNT
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Innovation which sells come from software. The hardware is just there to enable it. And there were plenty of new gameplays to be had on the PS2 compared to PS1/N64. The same can't be said with the recent hardware bumps.
Sony and MS are third party driven platforms. GTA, COD, Assassin's Creed, Skyrim, Minecraft, Dark Souls, PUGB, Fortnite, etc. One publisher makes a novel game which becomes huge and attract new audiences, then the publisher play safe to retain that audience. Then another publisher comes and do the same. Then another and another.
Nintendo is first party driven. They hold the responsibility to both retain old audiences and also attract new ones. And they have to do it over and over again, not just once in decades like most publishers. Innovation can be done with standard hardware, but by experimenting with novel hardware they can make up new ideas on a more consistent basis.
Of course, the dooming is greatly exaggerated. If they stop attracting new audiences they likely can retain plenty of their audience for a long while. But they will go into a downard trend generation after generation.
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I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong but as far I know, third party games use their own servers so you are connecting to the same servers as PS, Xbox, PC which is what allows for crossplay. It is a common misconception that online games are worse on Switch due to its "servers" (for performance sure, but servers don't have anything to do with it).
I've been called names on r/Playstation for saying that first PS and Nintendo games are P2P and and third party games use their own servers, so we're effectively paying for nothing with online services.
If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to be corrected but so far all evidence I've seen points to what I said.
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Playing WarFace currently on Switch and yes as far as I can tell, I’m not playing on a Nintendo server.
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Is that true? I thought that most of their competitors servers are for P2P?Their competitors are using dedicated servers though
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You're mostly right, yeah. Most third party games use their own servers, unless those games are also P2P, which happens. GTAO for example is famously P2P, which is why it runs like absolute crap and is flooded with hackers, and why I laugh when people keep saying NSO is the reason it hasn't been ported to switch.
As for what we pay for, there's more to how the online service works than servers hosting games. You still have to run servers for matchmaking, friend lists, and the like. And, the 99 games all do in fact use dedicated servers. And then there's cloud saves, those definitely need servers to store them.
Their competitors are using dedicated servers though
I think it's just Microsoft that consistently use dedicated server. I can't come up with any multiplayer series from Sony but Destiny doesn't use dedicated server last I checked.
Shareholder Chad
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Every single tech company and most other companies are way overvalued according to many different metrics. The stock market no longer follows these as guidelines.
A return to the mean would be devastating for the world economy. That is how far “up” , “greedy”, and “bubble” we are. Bubbles pop but nobody knows when and it can go a lot higher before it does. So when we shareholders or stock analysts say “this stock is overvalued” well it’s saying nothing really and it’s a “no shit Sherlock” situation.
Nintendo is overvalued but that doesn’t mean anything anymore.
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Yup, if some of us were to believe CNBC talking heads, our CAPE ratio shows we've been overvalued since 1987 basically (in some circles, they say CAPE ratio between 10 to 15 is "good", more than 15, it's "overvalued"). If I go cash (go light on investing or stop altogether), I would have missed out on gains between 1987 and now.
I know you and I are like on opposite sides of the spectrum (you trade frequently, I am a boring buy & hold Boglehead investing into passively managed index funds), but I agree that talking heads saying this and that being "overvalued" is just noise.
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Indeed, Kamigami no Triforce (JP LttP) IS the best Zelda.
Decode, no. Encode, yeah, that's a big deal.
Thickness can't do much, especially for an active-cooled portable device. The footprint of the SoC and heat pipe cannot have anything really layered over it aside from the panel that you use to disperse heat. And those 2 pieces dictate the minimum size you can reasonably achieve, as well. Lite's size was ultimately dictated by the necessary size of the heat pipe for portable-only use.
I just need to correct you here.
The Dock has:
A DisplayPort to HDMI converter
A USB hub controller for the USB ports
2 CMOS chips (I assume for firmware)
2 USB-C power delivery chips
And in order to dock to the TV, the Switch device itself demanded the presence of a USB/DisplayPort crossbar switch. This chip is not present in the Lite and, while not overtly expensive, it's not exactly cheap, either.
Just needed to clear up how that you were underselling the expense.
a more recent test of Ray Tracing on the Steam Deck. in short, it runs very well. who'd a thunk that when you design for RT, it runs well
but on the more extreme end, Portal RTX "runs" on the SD as well. takes a lot of cuts, but path tracing is just so damn heavy. there are lighter ways to get 90% of the final image, like Metro Exodus shows
but on the more extreme end, Portal RTX "runs" on the SD as well. takes a lot of cuts, but path tracing is just so damn heavy. there are lighter ways to get 90% of the final image, like Metro Exodus shows
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I have a better image of what I meant in this image, behold!
I posted this before I believe, but in my mind, it'll looks like this. The Mock-up is just a headset with that 3D effect in it. There would be a slider to adjust the 3D. Knowing Nintendo, they might even add a Gyro sensor in it.
A headset is more convenient than a 3D screen on the console itself, since you won't be forced to be in handheld mode only. With the headset, you can game with this 3D effect in both handheld and docked mode.
I believe there was once a time where people thought Splatoon came to 3DS, (which obviously couldn't) and the idea of playing Splatoon in 3D made some people hyped. (this is what I read on a Dutch forum back in the day). And yes, if this could become a thing, a Splatoon with 3D effect would be possible and quite fun. Aswell as other big titles from major companies. Like, we got Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition on 3DS launch, imagine Street Fighter 6 to be in the same way. Or maybe if we got our hands on Red Dead Redemption II with the 3D effect. I'd also like to see the Call of Duty series having such feature. I won't say the 3D effect is a game changer, but visually it was marvelous.
This is more in the line of what I'd like to see with a 3D headset. Notice I'd still put the 3D-slider of the 3DS in the right upper corner.
This way, people can still enjoy watching your games on your handheld or TV.
That, or just a VR headset with those glasses, without VR capabilities and just the 3D imaging, like @Kise Ryota mentioned what they did with the meta quest 3.
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I have a better image of what I meant in this image, behold!
This is more in the line of what I'd like to see with a 3D headset. Notice I'd still put the 3D-slider of the 3DS in the right upper corner.
This way, people can still enjoy watching your games on your handheld or TV.
That, or just a VR headset with those glasses, without VR capabilities and just the 3D imaging, like @Kise Ryota mentioned what they did with the meta quest 3.
I’d buy that in a heartbeat.
But not at a high price. (#reference)
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