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I think the favorite controller gimmick I've thought of is very subtle but precise rumble motors that are constantly operating at a low-ish level on the back of the joycons.

On the left joycon, the stronger the rumble, the lower your HP is.

On the right joycon, it rumbles ever so slightly more in the direction of your objective.

This would allow devs to remove a lot of HUD elements without a cost of confusing the player.
 
What prevents Nintendo and NVIDIA from rearranging the Ampere architecture to take most advantage from a fixed-setting device, with like, 128 CUDA, 8 Tensor and 3 RT? Even if it costs quite some money, the console is going to turn into a profit quite fast, and having a better suited hardware for this specific device would be better for both of them as it would expand it's longevity.
 
justanotherperson said:
What prevents Nintendo and NVIDIA from rearranging the Ampere architecture to take most advantage from a fixed-setting device, with like, 128 CUDA, 8 Tensor and 3 RT? Even if it costs quite some money, the console is going to turn into a profit quite fast, and having a better suited hardware for this specific device would be better for both of them as it would expand it's longevity.
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They may be limited to like 133 cores per SM just due to physical space, but yeah, I think 120 CUDA, 10 tensor, 3 RT would probably be a better distribution. Maybe even like 110 CUDA, 18 tensor, 5 RT.

I don't know if this is physically possible with how their cards are set up though.
 
IF DLSS 4.0 introduces VRAM decompression on the tensor cores, then hopefully Nintendo does everything possible to get that to work well on the Switch 2 and gets as many tensor cores as needed... If that's literally possible.

Lots of ifs there...

But there are some potentially interesting functions that can be added to DLSS and the 48 tensor cores on fairly low clocks are somewhat concerning as DLSS gets more and more advanced.
 
justanotherperson said:
What prevents Nintendo and NVIDIA from rearranging the Ampere architecture to take most advantage from a fixed-setting device, with like, 128 CUDA, 8 Tensor and 3 RT? Even if it costs quite some money, the console is going to turn into a profit quite fast, and having a better suited hardware for this specific device would be better for both of them as it would expand it's longevity.
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I think the extra Tensor cores would help. DLSS is gonna be a bigger draw for most people compared to ray-traced graphics.
 
Raccoon said:
my confidence that anything can happen? like ffs I don't know how I could temper my posts any further






like seriously what more could you ask of me? to only think what you do?
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You could stop trying to temper other people's posts, for one. "You thought this last time" as if people can't change predictions based on new information or hindsight.
 
lemonfresh said:
2 different markets, one is a handheld one is a console. I dont think its a problem if switch 2 launches close to it. Also switch 2 will be much cheaper
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Lugia667 said:
Xbox one X launched same year as Switch and didn't affect it at all
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I don't want to sound arrogant, but you're underestimating this. First of all, Xbox does not have the power of PlayStation with gamers, especially the older generation. So the comparison with Xbox One X is not the best one.

Yes, Switch 2 is a handheld and it will surely be cheaper, but it's still a console. PS5 Pro will probably release with GTA VI, a game that we don't expect to see on NG Switch on D1. People can't afford two consoles at the same time, so many will do a choice between them.

Nintendo will surely reveal the console before September, but to me they need to release NG Switch as soon as possible.
 
Mirev said:
I don't want to sound arrogant, but you're underestimating this. First of all, Xbox does not have the power of PlayStation with gamers, especially the older generation. So the comparison with Xbox One X is not the best one.

Yes, Switch 2 is a handheld and it will surely be cheaper, but it's still a console. PS5 Pro will probably release with GTA VI, a game that we don't expect to see on NG Switch on D1. People can't afford two consoles at the same time, so many will do a choice between them.

Nintendo will surely reveal the console before September, but to me they need to release NG Switch as soon as possible.
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PS5 Pro is coming holiday 2024, GTAVI is coming in 2025 (though R* has said they expect a mass influx of revenue in the fiscal year ending March 2025, so we won't be waiting that long). That said I do generally agree that releasing Switch 2 earlier than the holidays would be the smart move. Switch 2 vs PS5 Pro is a fight Switch 2 wins, but not without taking a few hits. Better to just release sometime like June, to get to all the hardcore buyers early so the casuals can get one for the holidays.
 
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Apparent info about PS5 Pro on resetera, reveal happening in September 2024. I mean there’s no way the Switch 2 is going to want to compete with that. It’s going to be coming out before September so there’s full attention on it.
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PS5 Pro will barely be a blip on Switch 2’s radar.
 
ILikeFeet said:
You could stop trying to temper other people's posts, for one. "You thought this last time" as if people can't change predictions based on new information or hindsight.
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That's not my intention in saying so and I am sorry that's the impression I've given. Whenever I used to speculate on potential outcomes that the community didn't like I was at times rudely shut down. When I am rudely shut down now I point out that, yeah, sometimes "pessimistic" things have turned out to be right. I think my mistake is in making it seem as though I am either clever or consistent; I have at times believed in all of the wrong years, even 2021. In the future I will avoid leaning on this argumentative crutch, as I don't like the "um actually I was right" tone I now see it gives; all I meant to point out is that the thread, of which despite my tone I have absolutely been a part, has frequently been wrong.

To underscore this further. I do not think that believing in 2024 is foolish. I do not believe that believing in 2023, 2022, or even 2021 was foolish, regardless of hindsight. All I meant to argue is that rejecting any thoughts outside of the zeitgeist rude, dismissive, and again not consistent with the results said zeitgeist has yielded. There is definitely a point to be made that as time passes it is likelier and likelier to be sooner, and it is one that I wish I acknowledged more often.

More succinctly, I apologize for the impression of policing others' thoughts that I've given by bringing up the ways that the thread was wrong. In my mind I was just defending my own opinions and did not intend to assert definitively that 2024 will be like 2023. Despite my genuine guess of H1 2025 I in no way think 2024 is unreasonable or unlikely. I will try to engage in a more outwardly respectful manner in the future, even in the face of what I see as disrespect, but I hope that respect is also afforded to H1 2024 (what's up @Concernt) and 2025 (hey @Brock Reiher sorry for the notification).
 
ertaboy356b said:
Game delayed for a generation, it better not be another Starfield.
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...Or Star Citizen. But eh...

All this weird arguments about Switch successor hardware. Just give me more green text talk already...
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Raccoon said:
That's not my intention in saying so and I am sorry that's the impression I've given. Whenever I used to speculate on potential outcomes that the community didn't like I was at times rudely shut down. When I am rudely shut down now I point out that, yeah, sometimes "pessimistic" things have turned out to be right. I think my mistake is in making it seem as though I am either clever or consistent; I have at times believed in all of the wrong years, even 2021. In the future I will avoid leaning on this argumentative crutch, as I don't like the "um actually I was right" tone I now see it gives; all I meant to point out is that the thread, of which despite my tone I have absolutely been a part, has frequently been wrong.

To underscore this further. I do not think that believing in 2024 is foolish. I do not believe that believing in 2023, 2022, or even 2021 was foolish, regardless of hindsight. All I meant to argue is that rejecting any thoughts outside of the zeitgeist rude, dismissive, and again not consistent with the results said zeitgeist has yielded. There is definitely a point to be made that as time passes it is likelier and likelier to be sooner, and it is one that I wish I acknowledged more often.

More succinctly, I apologize for the impression of policing others' thoughts that I've given by bringing up the ways that the thread was wrong. In my mind I was just defending my own opinions and did not intend to assert definitively that 2024 will be like 2023. Despite my genuine guess of H1 2025 I in no way think 2024 is unreasonable or unlikely. I will try to engage in a more outwardly respectful manner in the future, even in the face of what I see as disrespect, but I hope that respect is also afforded to H1 2024 (what's up @Concernt) and 2025 (hey @Brock Reiher sorry for the notification).
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Although I concur that 2025 is possible (the lowest possible and probable scenario), I don’t think the Switch has another Christmas left in it. Yes, Pokemon is releasing in 2024 with who knows what title, but I sincerely doubt the Switch 1 lineup, alone, can survive Holidays 2024. Unless:
• Nintendo does a price cut
• They release a themed SKU
• A new revision
 
Individualised said:
Why is the 2025 discourse now leaking into this thread? Keep the unfounded doomposting in the software thread please.
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I'd like to speak on this post specifically since it is both an example of what I see as disrespect but also raises what I see as a good point.

At times bringing 2023 was seen as unfounded doomposting. Then 2024 was unfounded doomposting. Now I am coming out with my belief in a H1 2025 release and it is irrational doomposting.

This new belief of mine is based on software. While less directly related to the topic of the new system, this has the benefit of being based on announced products rather than rumors and interpretations of commercial data. Related to my previous post, I want to stress that unlike some I do not think that the latter two bases of speculation are bad. I do not mean to seriously disrespect rumors or the thread in saying these things. Instead I am arguing that believing in potential yet unseen misinterpretations of the current rumors and instead arriving at guesses based on other observable factors does not deserve the ire and disrespect it draws.

However, I do concede that it could be out of place in this thread. If it is felt that the ideas discussed in this thread should be based on the hardware-oriented datamining, public customs data, and leaked private data than I fully respect and agree with that conclusion.

In other words, while I disagree that 2025 is "unfounded doomposting," I will keep my thoughts in the other thread, and recognize that I should have all this time. I am sorry for having misused this thread and will not post anything that ignores the field of rumors on which it is based.
 
Switch 2 in Q1 2025 is possible, but I believe only if there are unforeseen major issues with hardware or key software. Switch 1 was originally due for Q4 2016 but was delayed due to the software lineup not being in a position where Nintendo felt it would be at its strongest. However, the Switch 1 introduction schedule was much more condensed due to the failure of the Wii U so it was no surprise they needed extra time.

Soon we’ll be entering the 8th year of the Switch 1’s life and Nintendo will have had plenty of time to get the hardware and software where they want them to be. Taking into account the leaks over the summer with regards to console demonstrations and Nintendo’s current software lineup, I’d say it was extremely likely the plan is to introduce the Switch 2 in 2024.

My own personal opinion is that the reveal will be between March-June 2024 and that we’ll see a final Switch 1 exclusive Direct in early 2024. Switch 2 will release between September-December 2024 and so we’ll be playing Switch 2 by this time next year at the latest.
 
Mirev said:
I don't want to sound arrogant, but you're underestimating this. First of all, Xbox does not have the power of PlayStation with gamers, especially the older generation. So the comparison with Xbox One X is not the best one.

Yes, Switch 2 is a handheld and it will surely be cheaper, but it's still a console. PS5 Pro will probably release with GTA VI, a game that we don't expect to see on NG Switch on D1. People can't afford two consoles at the same time, so many will do a choice between them.

Nintendo will surely reveal the console before September, but to me they need to release NG Switch as soon as possible.
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The thing with Switch 2 is now people have options. There are now Steam Decks and such, also don't forget that they also compete with themselves (Switch). I have like 15 or so backlog (mostly RPGs) in my shelf that I haven't even started yet so a Switch will be suffice for me for a long time but and a big BUT, if Nintendo managed to make the Switch 2 have enhanced BC like for example a 60FPS 1080P Shin Megami Tensei V (I know this is doable because my modded Switch can run the damn game in 60 FPS overclocked), then I will gladly sell my Switch and get a Switch 2 almost immediately (apparently, modded V2s are still sought after).
 
ertaboy356b said:
The thing with Switch 2 is now people have options. There are now Steam Decks and such, also don't forget that they also compete with themselves (Switch). I have like 15 or so backlog (mostly RPGs) in my shelf that I haven't even started yet so a Switch will be suffice for me for a long time but and a big BUT, if Nintendo managed to make the Switch 2 have enhanced BC like for example a 60FPS 1080P Shin Megami Tensei V (I know this is doable because my modded Switch can run the damn game in 60 FPS overclocked), then I will gladly sell my Switch and get a Switch 2 almost immediately (apparently, modded V2s are still sought after).
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Switch 2 will outsell SteamDeck ltd in several hours.
 
YolkFolk said:
Switch 2 will outsell SteamDeck ltd in several hours.
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I'm not saying it will not outsell Steam Deck, I'm saying that people now have options regardless if it will sell or not and that will eat some of the market. Back in the day, we only have the Switch as the only option for "modern" handheld gaming.
 
Raccoon said:
it absolutely does

fire emblem, metroid prime 4, peach, pokemon, and maybe something unknown (donkey kong?) easily carry it through to 2025
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Raccoon said:
there are so many switch 1 games for next year though

I do recognize that Q1 would be weird but I believe in its benefits for supply, plus the ability of switch to lead another holiday
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Of the ones you mentioned, only Pokémon is guaranteed to sell 10 million. And that won’t be until November, so the Switch surviving in smaller IPs until then would hurt its momentum.
 
Charamiwa said:
If the leaked Steam Deck OLED numbers given in this thread were anything close to reality then no. It was apparently a really big launch for them that surpassed the original Switch's first month.

Then again I have no idea if these numbers were real.
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As if SteamDeck OLED outsold Switch 1’s first month. Surely not?

LTD of the first model SteamDeck was said to be less than 4 million I thought.
 
Charamiwa said:
If the leaked Steam Deck OLED numbers given in this thread were anything close to reality then no. It was apparently a really big launch for them that surpassed the original Switch's first month.

Then again I have no idea if these numbers were real.
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Nintendo haters always talking about how the Steam deck is killing Nintendo while selling nothing, repeat ad infinitum.
 
Charamiwa said:
If the leaked Steam Deck OLED numbers given in this thread were anything close to reality then no. It was apparently a really big launch for them that surpassed the original Switch's first month.

Then again I have no idea if these numbers were real.
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Zero Chance Valve even had 2.7m plus ins stock for the Steam Deck OLED when the original sold 3-4m in years.
 
Steam Deck is probably the most succesful portable/handheld PC ever, and even in that regard, its probably not even 2% of Switch LTD so far and not a competition in any shape or way.

Gotta remember that the Steam Deck is only a good buy in a few select countries (namely US and SOME european countries, in others is outrageously expensive), that's besides the consideration that you can only buying it only through a storefront, which you need a credit card for.

It's reach was always super low, Valve knows that and they are fine with it, is just fans that can't accept that.
 
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YolkFolk said:
Switch 2 will outsell SteamDeck ltd in several hours.
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Still, like other said, it's a new alternative for customers.

SteamDeck is not going to sell better than any Nintendo console soon, but they are developing their future in a good way. It's like we entered a new market.
 
I'm referring to a oldpuck post (now deleted obviously) that said that first day sales including pre-orders of the Steam Deck OLED were something like 3M. That seemed enormous at the time but hey he seemed like a trustworthy member. Switch did 2.7M in its first month.

Surely I haven't dreamt this post, others must have seen it!
 
Charamiwa said:
I'm referring to a oldpuck post (now deleted obviously) that said that first day sales including pre-orders of the Steam Deck OLED were something like 3M. That seemed enormous at the time but hey he seemed like a trustworthy member. Switch did 2.7M in its first month.

Surely I haven't dreamt this post, others must have seen it!
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There’s zero chance those numbers are even close to accurate. It would be one of the biggest console launches in the history of gaming….for a revision of a niche system.
 
Charamiwa said:
I'm referring to a oldpuck post (now deleted obviously) that said that first day sales including pre-orders of the Steam Deck OLED were something like 3M. That seemed enormous at the time but hey he seemed like a trustworthy member. Switch did 2.7M in its first month.

Surely I haven't dreamt this post, others must have seen it!
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I saw that post and it is clearly a mistake.
He may have misread the projection that the total number will be 3 million units during 2023.
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Mirev said:
SteamDeck is not going to sell better than any Nintendo console soon, but they are developing their future in a good way. It's like we entered a new market.
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It has potential to sell very well but Valve hurts its chances but not releasing it on retail (online and in store) officially. And there are way too many markets it's not available in yet, so far Valve is doing nothing about it.
 
YolkFolk said:
Switch 2 will outsell SteamDeck ltd in several hours.
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Faruko said:
Steam Deck is probably the most succesful portable/handheld PC ever, and even in that regard, its probably not even 2% of Switch LTD so far and not a competition in any shape or way.

Gotta remember that the Steam Deck is only a good buy in a few select countries (namely US and SOME european countries, in others is outrageously expensive), that's besides the consideration that you can only buying it only through a storefront, which you need a credit card for.

It's reach was always super low, Valve knows that and they are fine with it, is just fans that can't accept that.
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Unit sales aren't everything. Handheld PCs like the Deck may only target a small fraction of the Switch audience, but it's likely the most lucrative members of that audience, the ones who buy like 10 games a year instead of 10 games for the whole gen. The Deck is absolutely competition for the Switch. Even if it only took away, say, half a million Switch 2 purchases, if all those people would've bought 50-70 games... well, suddenly it starts to add up.
 
ertaboy356b said:
There are now Steam Decks and such,
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Sans the Steamdeck, the other options are niche-centric products. They’re expensive, handheld computers. The Steam differentiates itself in this because it’s the more mass appealing handheld computer. But even so, the SD is still kind of a hardcore gamer sort of product.

Yes, the SD is a worthy competitor to the Switch, but it’s not a brand that has a lot of recognition and goodwill, like a hypothetical PlayStation portable device.

Now that’s a different story.

Also, only Nintendo platforms give you access to Mario, Zelda, etc. there’s also an argument to be made about software appeal and identity.

Whereas the Steamdeck, it’s only a powerful handheld that can play games.

NintendoMariah said:
It’s been confirmed something is happening in March so…… 2024!!!!!! It is lol
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Wait, what?!
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
They may be limited to like 133 cores per SM just due to physical space, but yeah, I think 120 CUDA, 10 tensor, 3 RT would probably be a better distribution. Maybe even like 110 CUDA, 18 tensor, 5 RT.

I don't know if this is physically possible with how their cards are set up though.
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Currently RT Cores, Tensor Cores and CUDA Cores do not occupy the same space on the silicon, the cuda cores are much smaller
 
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BreakAtmo said:
Unit sales aren't everything. Handheld PCs like the Deck may only target a small fraction of the Switch audience, but it's likely the most lucrative members of that audience, the ones who buy like 10 games a year instead of 10 games for the whole gen. The Deck is absolutely competition for the Switch. Even if it only took away, say, half a million Switch 2 purchases, if all those people would've bought 50-70 games... well, suddenly it starts to add up.
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The only purpose of the Steam deck is for Nintendo haters to have something to dream will kill off Nintendo, all Nintendo haters make youtube videos everyday of Nintendo going out of business because of the Steam deck.
 
gnetc said:
Apparent info about PS5 Pro on resetera, reveal happening in September 2024. I mean there’s no way the Switch 2 is going to want to compete with that. It’s going to be coming out before September so there’s full attention on it.
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It also could not be coming until 2025 with that logic. March is too early, June is weird, September is PS5 pro. That leaves 2025.

robertman2 said:
anyone who suggests 2025 as a possibility should not be listened to.
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Lol. Lmao, even.

BreakAtmo said:
Unit sales aren't everything. Handheld PCs like the Deck may only target a small fraction of the Switch audience, but it's likely the most lucrative members of that audience, the ones who buy like 10 games a year instead of 10 games for the whole gen. The Deck is absolutely competition for the Switch. Even if it only took away, say, half a million Switch 2 purchases, if all those people would've bought 50-70 games... well, suddenly it starts to add up.
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I feel like most of the people who purchase the Deck are people who already have huge steam libraries and would rather play it portably than double dip. I don't know if the overlap with the hardcore Switch gamers is as big as you think, since people want to buy a switch mostly to play games that are only on switch, and then maybe play indies and other non-exclusive games.
 
9-Volt said:
It has potential to sell very well but Valve hurts its chances but not releasing it on retail (online and in store) officially. And there are way too many markets it's not available in yet, so far Valve is doing nothing about it.
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Again, it's still the beginning. I can see them expanding this already with SteamDeck 2.
 
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BreakAtmo said:
I think they mean what @NateDrake said a while ago about hearing that March was being talked about by devs as an important date for Switch 2, but didn't know exactly why.
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Got it. Something certainly is happening next year, but we don’t know what. We’ll see what the last days or December and January give us.

Danny said:
The only purpose of the Steam deck is for Nintendo haters to have something to dream will kill off Nintendo, all Nintendo haters make youtube videos everyday of Nintendo going out of business because of the Steam deck.
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The Steamdeck is a well positioned niche handheld PC. It’d be a worthy adversary if it came from Microsoft or Sony, but since it’s from Steam, it’s not necessarily a brand with enough baggage to position itself as a mainstream console competitor

Also, the Switch is a very companion type sort of device. I’m sure a lot of SD owners also have a Switch
 
Raccoon said:
I'd like to speak on this post specifically since it is both an example of what I see as disrespect but also raises what I see as a good point.

At times bringing 2023 was seen as unfounded doomposting. Then 2024 was unfounded doomposting. Now I am coming out with my belief in a H1 2025 release and it is irrational doomposting.

This new belief of mine is based on software. While less directly related to the topic of the new system, this has the benefit of being based on announced products rather than rumors and interpretations of commercial data. Related to my previous post, I want to stress that unlike some I do not think that the latter two bases of speculation are bad. I do not mean to seriously disrespect rumors or the thread in saying these things. Instead I am arguing that believing in potential yet unseen misinterpretations of the current rumors and instead arriving at guesses based on other observable factors does not deserve the ire and disrespect it draws.

However, I do concede that it could be out of place in this thread. If it is felt that the ideas discussed in this thread should be based on the hardware-oriented datamining, public customs data, and leaked private data than I fully respect and agree with that conclusion.

In other words, while I disagree that 2025 is "unfounded doomposting," I will keep my thoughts in the other thread, and recognize that I should have all this time. I am sorry for having misused this thread and will not post anything that ignores the field of rumors on which it is based.
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I was considering adding a /hj to the end before I posted but didn't. I probably should have in retrospect, but I felt my wording sounded enough like a joke to not be taken seriously. I wasn't being serious or annoyed by your posts, just slightly frustrated at the 2025 stuff when I feel that there is very little evidence for it. No hard feelings at all and I wasn't trying to disrespect you.
 
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