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StarTopic Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack |ST| New 2024 Poll Up

How will Nintendo handle the NSO with the launch of the Switch 2

  • Everything on the service becomes playable on launch day of the new system.

    Votes: 148 76.7%
  • A slow roll out with a promise to move everything over within 12 months from launch day

    Votes: 25 13.0%
  • LOL Nintendo is going to start all over with just NES games in late 2025

    Votes: 18 9.3%
  • Nothing will transfer over because the Switch 2 won't be backwards compatible with the Switch 1

    Votes: 2 1.0%

  • Total voters
    193
You're probably right about Wipeout but it should be noted that Sony has already released a first party title on the Switch with MLB The Show 2023.
TBF that's probably entirely because of the MLB itself not wanting to limit sales by being exclusive rather than Sony wanting to put their games there.
 
I think we'll get a roadmap in February. Donkey Kong 64 and Super Smash Bros are the obvious headliners for N64, and if Nintendo secured Blast Corps or Diddy Kong Racing, they'll want to do at least a little song and dance to announce their return. There are still plenty of options for GBA - not least the magnificent Wario Land 4 - but I'm not sure there's any obvious headlining title. Perhaps we'll see some third party titles confirmed for the service (Sonic Advance?). I'd love to suggest Mother 3 as a high profile announcement for GBA, but it feels like a very remote possibility. But with Golden Sun, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, Fire Emblem already present, and Advance Wars probably not joining just yet, most of what Nintendo put out on GBA from here on out are more iterations of those same franchises (Four Swords, Zero Mission, Lost Age, Sacred Stones, Golf/Tennis for Mario) or SNES ports (DK, Zelda in the shape of LttP + Four Swords).

The omission of Smash from NSO so far actually gives N64 an easier banner title for 2024 than GBA, despite the fact GBA is only in its first year, and any further Rare titles will be cause for song and dance too.

GBA has some excellent games that are yet to arrive, and I'll look forward to playing them, but short of Nintendo pulling Mother 3 out after all this time, it doesn't quite have the profile of Smash Bros or the first re-release of Diddy Kong Racing. Likewise, N64 doesn't have many more easy picks and it's easy to see the number of releases for that system in 2024 either staying flat or slowing further. A joint roadmap for GBA/N64 seems the easiest solution to me; GBA fleshes things out with quality games, while at least a couple of the N64 additions can be positioned as headline acts for the Expansion Pack.
 
Anyone else find it profoundly weird they announced a $50 remake of Mario vs Donkey Kong for Switch instead of just putting the GBA version on NSO? Seems… I dunno, weird.
Can't really expect them to shut the door on any remakes of games predating GameCube/DS.
 
Anyone else find it profoundly weird they announced a $50 remake of Mario vs Donkey Kong for Switch instead of just putting the GBA version on NSO? Seems… I dunno, weird.
At least the DK fandom is a little more sated than Metroid's fans were when Fed Force was announced, but I agree it does seem peculiar.

SMRPG at least makes sense because of licensing with Square and it was probably more cost-effective to remake the game with a decent ROI than Square getting an even bigger piece of the NSO subscription pie.
 
Can't really expect them to shut the door on any remakes of games predating GameCube/DS.
IMO It’s just such a weird decision. Almost like one department didn’t realize they’d be doing GBA on NSO and just went ahead with development. I have to imagine it was an extremely low-budget project. Like maybe they’re reusing models/assets from all over the place and this is the project of a handful of folks.

Like, I’m not saying “don’t remake GBA games” because there are a few I’d love to see them tackle. Rhythm Heaven, F-Zero Climax, Mother 3, etc. But Mario vs Donkey Kong would have been better suited to just being on NSO. It would have reached more people and saved development resources for something else. A DK King of Swing remake or something.
 
Anyone else find it profoundly weird they announced a $50 remake of Mario vs Donkey Kong for Switch instead of just putting the GBA version on NSO? Seems… I dunno, weird.
Right now there are only 13 GBA games on the NSO. At it's height there were 74 GBA games on the Wii-U VC. Nintendo could easily hold that game back for a few years, especially if they continue to add games at one ever other month or so.

Granted, there are plenty of Wii-U VC games that probably won't make it to the NSO, but there is a lot of potential still with this library.
 
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Anyone else find it profoundly weird they announced a $50 remake of Mario vs Donkey Kong for Switch instead of just putting the GBA version on NSO? Seems… I dunno, weird.

I get the feeling it was something they threw together to capitalize on the hype of the Mario movie, which obviously features both Mario and DK.
 
Right now there are only 13 GBA games on the NSO. At it's height there were 74 GBA games on the Wii-U VC. Nintendo could easily hold that game back for a few years, especially if they continue to add games at one ever other month or so.

Granted, there are plenty of Wii-U VC games that probably won't make it to the NSO, but there is a lot of potential still with this library.
This just made me sad cause we're really not getting much from the GBA and I didn't get to play a lot of GBA games growing up. And after playing a couple on the NSO including The Minish Cap, the graphics and sound quality of that system hold up unbelievably well. I need more GBA games and it kinda bothers me how Nintendo is milking it even though I get why lol. I'm just greedy.
 
The slow pace of the GBA output is just a little less egregious than the pace of GB is IMO. Mainly because I find the lowest of GBA to have way more to them than some of the stuff we get on GB. I still havent touched Fire Emblem or Metroid as I chip away at the lineup despite me steadily pushing conquering the NSO backlog.
 
I'm a little bored at work, so I reviewed the list of GBA games that were on the Wii-U VC. Below is the list of everything that has not been released on NSO. I listed everything (mostly) by publisher. Something to note, we have only received Nintendo published games so far on the service, and none of the games released are new. Everything so far was already on the virtual console. Hopefully 3rd party support is coming soon.

Nintendo
Advance Wars
Advance Wars 2: Black Hole Rising
DK: King of Swing
Drill Dozer
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
F-Zero - GP Legend
F-Zero: Maximum Velocity
Game & Watch Gallery 4
Golden Sun
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land
Mario Golf: Advance Tour
Mario Party Advance
Mario Pinball Land
Metroid: Zero Mission
Mario Tennis: Power Tour
Mario vs. Donkey Kong
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Red Rescue Team
Pokémon Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire
Polarium Advance
Wario Land 4

Capcom (Not already on a compilation)
Final Fight One
Mega Man & Bass
Mega Man Battle Chip Challenge
Final Fight One
Onimusha Tactics
Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts
Super Street Fighter II Turbo Revival

Konami (Not already on a compilation)
Contra Advance: The Alien Wars EX
Konami Krazy Racers

Namco
Klonoa 2: Dream Champ Tournament
Klonoa: Empire of Dreams
Mr. Driller 2
Namco Museum
Pac-Man Collection


Natsume
Car Battler Joe
Harvest Moon: Friends of Mineral Town
Harvest Moon: More Friends of Mineral Town
Medabots AX: Metabee
Medabots AX: Rokusho
Medabots: Metabee
Medabots: Rokusho
Pocky & Rocky with Becky

Ubisoft
Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc
Rayman Advance

Already on the Switch in another form
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
Medabots AX: Metabee
Medabots AX: Rokusho
Medabots: Metabee
Medabots: Rokushov
Mega Man Battle Network
Mega Man Battle Network 2
Mega Man Battle Network 3 Blue
Mega Man Battle Network 3 White
Mega Man Battle Network 4 Blue Moon
Mega Man Battle Network 4 Red Sun
Mega Man Battle Network 5 Team Colonel
Mega Man Battle Network 5 Team Protoman
Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Falzar
Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar
Mega Man Zero
Mega Man Zero 2
Mega Man Zero 3
Mega Man Zero 4

It’s Square
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
 
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Good Vibes Gaming have started a game club dedicated to randomly picking NSO releases weekly to play. Its a really fun way to encourage experimenting with the slew of NSO releases.

Last week's game was Yoshi's Story and thid week is Pilotwings 64.

 
Anyone else find it profoundly weird they announced a $50 remake of Mario vs Donkey Kong for Switch instead of just putting the GBA version on NSO? Seems… I dunno, weird.
Likely an effort to get NST more used to the engine and maybe implement a toolset for new entries/ remakes of the DS games that use only one screen. It also serves as a simple filler release for probably the last year before the Switch 2.

Medabots AX: Metabee
Medabots AX: Rokusho
Medabots: Metabee
Medabots: Rokusho
Just want to point out that these are already on Switch as a part of Medabots Classic Plus. Imagineer released the collection in 2020. You also forgot to put the Megaman Zero games

Beyond that, here's the list of GBA VC games exclusive to Japan yet to be added to the service
Nintendo
  • F-Zero Climax
  • Legendary Starfy 1-3
  • Magical Vacation
  • Kururin Paradise
  • Napoleon
  • Sennen Kazoku
  • Tomato Adventure
Third Party
  • Ace Attorney GBA Trilogy (Ace Attorney Trilogy is already on Switch)
  • Chocobo Land
  • ChuChu Rocket
  • Family Tennis Advance
  • Final Fantasy Advance 1&2, 4, 5, 6 (Pixel Remasters are already on Switch)
  • Granbo
  • Lufia: The Ruins of Lore
  • Kotoba no Puzzle: Mojipittan Advance
  • Medarot Navi (Kabuto/Kuwagata)
  • Mr. Driller Ace
  • River King 3 & 4
  • River King 5
  • Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon
  • Shining Soul
  • Shining Soul II
  • Sonic Advance 1-3
 
Japan got Shining Soul 1 and 2 on Wii U? That's good news. Sets a good precedent, since those are ones I was kind of hoping would show up, especially with multiplayer since I never really got to experience that back in the day.
 
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Beyond that, here's the list of GBA VC games exclusive to Japan yet to be added to the service
Nintendo

Third Party
  • Sonic Advance 1-3
Whoa wait, there's a chance we could be getting Sonic Advance games on NSO in the West???

I am willing the Sonic Adventure 25th anniversary combo pack into existence for next year, and by God it will have Chao Garden connectivity for GBA NSO!!
 
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After 7 years, i think we should know already that the NSO apps won't reach the heights the Virtual Console did, precisely because thanks to the VC third parties learned the value of their own legacy library.

We have the compilations, the Sega Ages, the ACA Arcade and Neo Geo releases, remasters, etc... Third parties now know that they can capitalize on their old releases, and they WILL capitalize on them.

I'm not expecting any Castlevania to show up, for example - unless Konami decides to limit the compilations to 2D releases - nor Mega Man or any other mythical third party franchise. Hell, even obscure, forgotten games like Breakers are getting compilations, for some reason (and btw, FG fans, please don't sleep on Breakers, they're both great games)
 
It's so funny/infuriating watching the AI blatantly cheat you in Mario Party 3 story mode. So far: an NPC won the max amount multiplier from Game Guy to win, someone made me give away 3 stars in the last turn with Chance Time, and continously rolling low in front of stars. Truly an accurate port of the game.
 
After 7 years, i think we should know already that the NSO apps won't reach the heights the Virtual Console did, precisely because thanks to the VC third parties learned the value of their own legacy library.

We have the compilations, the Sega Ages, the ACA Arcade and Neo Geo releases, remasters, etc... Third parties now know that they can capitalize on their old releases, and they WILL capitalize on them.

I'm not expecting any Castlevania to show up, for example - unless Konami decides to limit the compilations to 2D releases - nor Mega Man or any other mythical third party franchise. Hell, even obscure, forgotten games like Breakers are getting compilations, for some reason (and btw, FG fans, please don't sleep on Breakers, they're both great games)

I actually think in terms of game selection, N64 NSO blows the N64 VCs of yore out of the water.

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It's got most of what was available before, but it also includes a whole slew games that haven't been re-released before, like Mario Party 1 and 3, Pilotwings 64, Dr. Mario 64, Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2, etc. The inclusion of Rare games like Banjo-Kazooie and friggin' GoldenEye already make this lineup feel way more livelier than previous VCs.

The only games we're missing from the Wii/Wii U shops are like, Cruisn' USA, Bomberman Hero, Smash Bros. 64, Donkey Kong 64, Bomberman 64 and Ogre Battle 64 (currently the only game that was available on both Wii and Wii U but not NSO)
 
I actually think in terms of game selection, N64 NSO blows the N64 VCs of yore out of the water.
I think so too, but i'm talking overall and mostly because we're having some obscure games coming out. In terms of merely N64, my only issue with it - one that i hope the NSO N64 crushes - is the lack of Castlevania 64, or Konami overall. If they gave me that, it would be inherently superior for me.
 
Anyone else find it profoundly weird they announced a $50 remake of Mario vs Donkey Kong for Switch instead of just putting the GBA version on NSO? Seems… I dunno, weird.
If they reincorporate the unfinished level editor and allow online sharing, the remake will be completely justified over just dropping the gba version on NSO imo.
 
I think so too, but i'm talking overall and mostly because we're having some obscure games coming out. In terms of merely N64, my only issue with it - one that i hope the NSO N64 crushes - is the lack of Castlevania 64, or Konami overall. If they gave me that, it would be inherently superior for me.
I still think we could see a Konami/third party led wave next(it would definitely get a roadmap/trailer too), it feels like an obvious focused wave when it doesn’t have to fight the first party legends
 
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I think it's not out of the realm of possibility for certain third party games like Mega Man and Castlevania but they will have special caveats to them.

For starters, it's possible Capcom and Konami drop 1 of the games on the service at an agonizing drip to keep people interested in the collections.

It's probably the best promotion barring new games this long after release.
 
I guess I should give up hoping for the Sega Master System being added to NSO. I would be happy with more compilations that include it (like Wonder Boy Anniversary Collection) but there's no sign of anything like that coming up either.
I think Master System on NSO is probably out of the question, but I don’t think a compilation is. If I remember correctly, Genesis on NSO was the result of Nintendo paying Sega (a lot) for access to that library that they assumed would get more subscribers. I don’t think Nintendo is thinking Master System is going to have the same pull, so they’re probably not going to go out of their way to pay for that.

I think PC-Engine/TurboGrafx has a shot though, mostly for the Japanese market but with Western fans getting it as a byproduct.
 
I guess I should give up hoping for the Sega Master System being added to NSO. I would be happy with more compilations that include it (like Wonder Boy Anniversary Collection) but there's no sign of anything like that coming up either.
I'm still mad that Sonic Origins Plus had Game Gear versions of games that had Master System versions with, at very least, improved resolution...

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I guess I should give up hoping for the Sega Master System being added to NSO. I would be happy with more compilations that include it (like Wonder Boy Anniversary Collection) but there's no sign of anything like that coming up either.

Master System is a tough one to predict. We've already seen several previously released Wii VC games included in collections.

Unreleased on Switch (AFAIK)
Alex Kidd in Shinobi World
Alex Kidd: The Lost Stars
Enduro Racer
Fantasy Zone II: The Tears of Opa-Opa
Secret Command

Separate game
R-Type

Sonic Origins Plus Collection*
Sonic Chaos
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Sega Ages Release
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Fantasy Zone
Phantasy Star
Space Harrier

Wonder Boy Collection
Wonder Boy
Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap
Wonder Boy in Monster Land

I'd like to see more games on the Switch, but Sega seems to have put their Sega Ages brand on the back burner. We are going on three years without a release. Maybe we get an Alex Kidd collection one day.

*Technically these were the Game Gear games, but they are still 8 bit versions.
 
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This made me remember that Legends hasn't been in any of the recent Castlevania collections, which is pretty damn shocking the more I think about it.
Makes me feel hopefully for Konami n64 games. Heck I still think we could see a new n64 roadmap that’s headlined as a Konami wave(with the 3 remaining Nintendo games of course)
 
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Konami on board with NSO would be good news for the N64 selection. I know Castlevania Bloodlines is on the Mega Drive selection, but I think this is the first Konami addition since then.

Bomberman 64 and Bomberman Heroes were published by Nintendo back in the day and I think they both made their way to Wii Virtual Console at the very least, so I'd peg those two as firm possibilities given Konami now hold the rights and it's difficult to see how else they'd get re-released. Castlevania 64, Legacy of Darkness and Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon would be the other choices and none of those games have had a re-release in the past. I don't think we'd see Nintendo and Konami launch those titles all at once, or as part of the same yearly wave; I think it's far likelier they'll be part of a sporadic schedule over the next few years. But they would widen the pool of releases and make it easier for Nintendo to do another half dozen N64 games each in 2024 and 2025.

I'd say Smash Bros, Donkey Kong 64, Cruis'n USA and Blast Corps (given it was planned for Wii U) remain the likeliest first-party additions in future, and I still feel pretty bullish about Nintendo and Microsoft reaching a deal with Diddy Kong Racing. I think if further Rare games are coming, though, they're going to be spread out. Add some random third-party license - I'd pick Atlus for Snowboard Kids and Ogre Battle 64 - and you've got a good selection of games to go through the next couple of years. If we got Harvest Moon 64 as an international release rather than Japan only, and counting Excitebite 64 as well as my hypothetical picks for 2024-25, we'd end up with an N64 selection of around 40 games without too much difficulty on Nintendo's part, I think; double what either Virtual Console achieved.

As an aside, we've now had a GB/C addition on a monthly basis 5 months on the bounce, which is good (but not brilliant) for the base tier.
 
Still no way to turn off the ugly border and a per-title custom control mapping is kind of crazy to me. These are basic settings that you would expect in a paid service.
 
Bomberman 64 and Bomberman Heroes were published by Nintendo back in the day and I think they both made their way to Wii Virtual Console at the very least, so I'd peg those two as firm possibilities given Konami now hold the rights and it's difficult to see how else they'd get re-released.
Small correction going by the circle graph I posted above: Bomberman Hero made it to the Wii VC. Bomberman 64 made it to the Wii U VC.
 
Konami on board with NSO would be good news for the N64 selection. I know Castlevania Bloodlines is on the Mega Drive selection, but I think this is the first Konami addition since then.

Bomberman 64 and Bomberman Heroes were published by Nintendo back in the day and I think they both made their way to Wii Virtual Console at the very least, so I'd peg those two as firm possibilities given Konami now hold the rights and it's difficult to see how else they'd get re-released. Castlevania 64, Legacy of Darkness and Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon would be the other choices and none of those games have had a re-release in the past. I don't think we'd see Nintendo and Konami launch those titles all at once, or as part of the same yearly wave; I think it's far likelier they'll be part of a sporadic schedule over the next few years. But they would widen the pool of releases and make it easier for Nintendo to do another half dozen N64 games each in 2024 and 2025.

I'd say Smash Bros, Donkey Kong 64, Cruis'n USA and Blast Corps (given it was planned for Wii U) remain the likeliest first-party additions in future, and I still feel pretty bullish about Nintendo and Microsoft reaching a deal with Diddy Kong Racing. I think if further Rare games are coming, though, they're going to be spread out. Add some random third-party license - I'd pick Atlus for Snowboard Kids and Ogre Battle 64 - and you've got a good selection of games to go through the next couple of years. If we got Harvest Moon 64 as an international release rather than Japan only, and counting Excitebite 64 as well as my hypothetical picks for 2024-25, we'd end up with an N64 selection of around 40 games without too much difficulty on Nintendo's part, I think; double what either Virtual Console achieved.

As an aside, we've now had a GB/C addition on a monthly basis 5 months on the bounce, which is good (but not brilliant) for the base tier.
I could see Deadly Arts and Hybrid Heaven happening too. Not like they’d show up in any collection
 
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Konami on board with NSO would be good news for the N64 selection. I know Castlevania Bloodlines is on the Mega Drive selection, but I think this is the first Konami addition since then.

Bomberman 64 and Bomberman Heroes were published by Nintendo back in the day and I think they both made their way to Wii Virtual Console at the very least, so I'd peg those two as firm possibilities given Konami now hold the rights and it's difficult to see how else they'd get re-released. Castlevania 64, Legacy of Darkness and Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon would be the other choices and none of those games have had a re-release in the past. I don't think we'd see Nintendo and Konami launch those titles all at once, or as part of the same yearly wave; I think it's far likelier they'll be part of a sporadic schedule over the next few years. But they would widen the pool of releases and make it easier for Nintendo to do another half dozen N64 games each in 2024 and 2025.

I'd say Smash Bros, Donkey Kong 64, Cruis'n USA and Blast Corps (given it was planned for Wii U) remain the likeliest first-party additions in future, and I still feel pretty bullish about Nintendo and Microsoft reaching a deal with Diddy Kong Racing. I think if further Rare games are coming, though, they're going to be spread out. Add some random third-party license - I'd pick Atlus for Snowboard Kids and Ogre Battle 64 - and you've got a good selection of games to go through the next couple of years. If we got Harvest Moon 64 as an international release rather than Japan only, and counting Excitebite 64 as well as my hypothetical picks for 2024-25, we'd end up with an N64 selection of around 40 games without too much difficulty on Nintendo's part, I think; double what either Virtual Console achieved.

As an aside, we've now had a GB/C addition on a monthly basis 5 months on the bounce, which is good (but not brilliant) for the base tier.
You know what I’m gonna say about Konami being on board with NSO…

PC-ENGINE/TURBOGRAFX BAYBEE LET’S GOOOO
 
By the way I forgot to post this here yesterday but as of October 30th, it has officially been the longest time between Sega Genesis/Mega Drive NSO updates.

Before yesterday, the longest wait between Genesis updates was 124 days between December 15 2022 and April 18 2023. The most recent update was June 27th, which was 125 days as of October 30th.

Folks, I’m worried Genesis updates are drying up. It’d be a real shame! There are still some Genesis games I’d love to see added, especially if they can get into CD based games.
 
It’s coming up
It’s coming up
It’s coming up
It’s coming up
It’s coming up
It’s coming up


this is a Gorillaz reference
lost my shit and heard exactly where this was going before I even ready a word in your post
 
Are SEGA updates drying up... or are they biding their time for their biggest announcement yet??

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... or I guess they could catch us up on some MD Mini 2 games that haven't made it to the service yet. Or maybe Rocket Knight. Whatever. Hopefully we get something soon.
 
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I still haven’t gotten into online play. When COD is finally on a Nintendo console again, I’m all in.
 
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By the way I forgot to post this here yesterday but as of October 30th, it has officially been the longest time between Sega Genesis/Mega Drive NSO updates.

Before yesterday, the longest wait between Genesis updates was 124 days between December 15 2022 and April 18 2023. The most recent update was June 27th, which was 125 days as of October 30th.

Folks, I’m worried Genesis updates are drying up. It’d be a real shame! There are still some Genesis games I’d love to see added, especially if they can get into CD based games.

The Genesis ain't done until I say they are done. And they are not done until we get this game.

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