Inflation definitely could have factored intor the decision to ditch oled.
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I'm still in the position that if March 2024 isn't launch, the only other viable option is a event like the Switch January 2017 one.
Thirds, especially "smaller" ones and indies that were seemingly the main focus of the Gamescom presentation, would neither need to know when Nintendo will announce it via PR ("To whome it may concern" style) or an "announcement" video like the Switch ones in ... October or November 2016.
Why would they even need to know about these two options?
The PR will feature no word on games. And the video would mainly show off one or a couple of Nintendo games, and maybe one big third party game like Skyrim.
Plus, the funny thing is, even for the video, thirds wouldn't need to have software ready. A short gameplay video, captured on PC or literally any other platform would be enough, video editors don't need more to edit in.
Also, you can bet that big thirds are already in the know for longer and wouldn't need to attend a Gamescom presentation for this.
So yeah ... it's either launch, or a Switch January 2017 like event.
PR and "announcement video" will imo come before March 2024. But that doesn't necessarily mean one of them happen in 2023.
You will get that one, definitely.
Now the question WHEN you're going to get it ... hahahah that will be a couple of years of waiting. ^^
Thirds, especially "smaller" ones and indies that were seemingly the main focus of the Gamescom presentation, would neither need to know when Nintendo will announce it via PR ("To whome it may concern" style) or an "announcement" video like the Switch ones in ... October or November 2016.
Why would they even need to know about these two options?
The PR will feature no word on games. And the video would mainly show off one or a couple of Nintendo games, and maybe one big third party game like Skyrim.
Plus, the funny thing is, even for the video, thirds wouldn't need to have software ready. A short gameplay video, captured on PC or literally any other platform would be enough, video editors don't need more to edit in.
Also, you can bet that big thirds are already in the know for longer and wouldn't need to attend a Gamescom presentation for this.
So yeah ... it's either launch, or a Switch January 2017 like event.
PR and "announcement video" will imo come before March 2024. But that doesn't necessarily mean one of them happen in 2023.
You will get that one, definitely.
Now the question WHEN you're going to get it ... hahahah that will be a couple of years of waiting. ^^
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Consumers aren’t going to question the name lol. They’re going to see it and go, “oh new Mario kart!” And then buy 50 million copies like it’s nothing. I don’t know why you seem to think this matters lol
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I said the same thing, sorry catching up again
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I love my steamdeck, but it is absolutely jank in terms of its OS and how it handles certain things. I don’t dock mine, but SteamOS is so slow in my experience. It was also advertised, I believe in its announcement, as being a dockable PC. Maybe they didn’t design it that way, but it was definitely marketed as such. So one shouldn’t be criticized for being annoyed that a marketed feature doesn’t work well.
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The other option which makes sense is that March contains the date by which games need to be submitted for certification if they plan to make the console launch (launch being in May for example).I'm still in the position that if March 2024 isn't launch, the only other viable option is a event like the Switch January 2017 one.
Thirds, especially "smaller" ones and indies that were seemingly the main focus of the Gamescom presentation, would neither need to know when Nintendo will announce it via PR ("To whome it may concern" style) or an "announcement" video like the Switch ones in ... October or November 2016.
Why would they even need to know about these two options?
The PR will feature no word on games. And the video would mainly show off one or a couple of Nintendo games, and maybe one big third party game like Skyrim.
Plus, the funny thing is, even for the video, thirds wouldn't need to have software ready. A short gameplay video, captured on PC or literally any other platform would be enough, video editors don't need more to edit in.
Also, you can bet that big thirds are already in the know for longer and wouldn't need to attend a Gamescom presentation for this.
So yeah ... it's either launch, or a Switch January 2017 like event.
PR and "announcement video" will imo come before March 2024. But that doesn't necessarily mean one of them happen in 2023.
You will get that one, definitely.
Now the question WHEN you're going to get it ... hahahah that will be a couple of years of waiting. ^^
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I doubt Nintendo will keep the current margin of Switch hardware with the new generation. I’m on mobile at the moment so can’t easily search for it, but I did an (admittedly rudimentary) analysis of the topic a while back which indicated they’re currently making a profit of around 30% on Switch hardware, which is similar to Apple’s hardware margins. Trying to launch a new games console at those margins would mean a huge price increase over the previous gen, which historically hasn’t gone down well.
What I do expect is that they’ll take the same approach to margins that they took with Switch, which is to launch at very slim margins, keep a constant price over the life of the hardware, and rely on reducing component costs to increase margins over time. It’s a low-risk strategy that’s been very successful for them, so I see little reason to change, either by taking a loss on hardware or trying to make a non-trivial margin at launch.
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Yeah, you're right, that's a good option, too.
And i also agree that this would also speak for a H1 release.
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One possibility is that March is when developers can start announcing games and talking about the new console. This doesn’t necessarily mean an initial announcement in March, as developers weren’t able to announce games until the January presentation for Switch (even Bethesda weren’t able to officially confirm Skyrim for the console despite it being a key part of the reveal). An initial announcement in January, bigger presentation in March, then release in April/May would line up with this.
ertaboy356b
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The March thing is from Nate. Some chatter that something will happen in March but no info yet whether it's a reveal or a release.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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There hasn't been a game console released in Q2 in over 20 years.
It's possible, but I am doubtful as no company intentionally aims for Q2 and Nintendo clearly did not intend for the Switch 2 to release this Q4 going by their lineup this holiday (which is both great and terrible for a console launch)
It's possible, but I am doubtful as no company intentionally aims for Q2 and Nintendo clearly did not intend for the Switch 2 to release this Q4 going by their lineup this holiday (which is both great and terrible for a console launch)
Giancarlo
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i dont ever believe Nintendo would hint/talk about it next console on the next fiscal report in novembre, they will hint/talk about it next hardware next year on the first fiscal report of 2024 or wait untill all games revealed on the 2023 septembre Direct is out.
Giancarlo
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next 3D Mario(launch title), Metroid Prime 4(cross-gen and launch window game), a game that showcase Switch sucessor main concepth/gimmick, a new IP or sequel to a dormant/dead Nintendo franchise, some third party ports(Elden Ring, something for Capcom/Square Enix), a major multiplayer game/franchise.
Giancarlo
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we all know Switch sucessor is coming, we dont know if the console launch in the first or second half of 2024, and what games is gonna be it launch titles beside a brand new 3D Mario
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Or just a deadline.
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Well while discord is down, anyone looking forward to FSR3?
Honestly if Swtch 2 can access Tensor Mixed Precision, it may be able to run it (Depending on how well Steam Deck can do it, which I will test when it comes to a game that I own/if Forspoken's Demo gets it)
Honestly if Swtch 2 can access Tensor Mixed Precision, it may be able to run it (Depending on how well Steam Deck can do it, which I will test when it comes to a game that I own/if Forspoken's Demo gets it)
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It's only useful if a game has a lot of GPU cycles left over and is CPU limited at ~60 FPS.
This is common in some open-world or simulation heavy PC games (or if you don't have a good CPU), but most console devs will just use up the remaining GPU cycles on higher resolutions or better effects instead of trying to go from 60 FPS to 120 FPS. Especially as games that are so CPU demanding often benefit least from framerates higher than 60.
Frame generation will be super useful when it can do 30 FPS to 60 FPS. 60 FPS to 120 is not super helpful currently.
(Or if frame generation becomes super cheap in the future due to game systems just becoming way more powerful)
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Well Fluid Motion (The precursor to AMD Fluid Motion Frames) does produce pretty impressive results <30fps
Soap Opera tolerance aside, it is impressive how clear the image is between frames, considering this is 24-30 fps (Not sure what the source FPS is)
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KIOXIA Introduces Next Generation e-MMC Ver. 5.1-Compliant Embedded Flash Memory Products
KIOXIA is now sampling new e-MMC Ver. 5.1-compliant embedded flash memory products.
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I've had issues with SteamOS itself in handheld, like logging me out randomly and verified games freezing on me. External display usage is advertised as one of its extra features on its store page, with an upcoming update specifically highlighting HDR/VRR use in docked mode, it's not something I'm trying to 'force' on the device. I don't really mind the lack of seamlessness and changing graphics settings, but if they support docking, then they should probably fix the home button not working since the last update.
I'm aware of what the Steam Deck is. I've PC gamed and used Proton on Linux for years before it came out. I expect a level of jank. I love this thing and it's still the most convenient and comfortable gaming PC I've used. It's one of my favorite devices ever. But the reason it came up in this conversation is as a comparison point to Switch i.e. 'why would people buy a Switch/Switch 2 instead of a Steam Deck for portable third-party games'? The same reason one would buy a PS5 instead of a gaming PC that stomps it. Optimized native ports and less tinkering.
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Even this we don’t know
Teal'c
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IF Switch 2 is scheduled for H2 2024 I wonder what first-party titles they have in the pipeline for Switch.
They may have put several remakes/remasters on hold to get through to September, Fire Emblem and Metroid come to mind at the moment, surely there are others... will they be enough? maybe yes
They may have put several remakes/remasters on hold to get through to September, Fire Emblem and Metroid come to mind at the moment, surely there are others... will they be enough? maybe yes
At 128GB max, this isn't gonna be useful for Drake. Those third party games will chew through that amount. If you have CoD, it'll probably be the only game on there until the first update. Then you'll be forced to use an SD cardKIOXIA Introduces Next Generation e-MMC Ver. 5.1-Compliant Embedded Flash Memory Products
KIOXIA is now sampling new e-MMC Ver. 5.1-compliant embedded flash memory products.www.businesswire.com
Earendil
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That's unfortunate. The OLED issue doesn't really impact me, but I was hoping there was something that would mitigate it for the people it does affect.
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Honestly I'm secretly hoping for CFe Type A that slots in parallel to and behind the Game Card, like how 2DSXL had a microSD card reader beside its Game Card slot.
Though I do hope that, like how Xbox allows external HDD for game storage, last gen games and captures, the NG Swotch will still have a microSD card reader so I can carry over my captures and install backwards compatible games to it without taking up precious high speed storage.
Earendil
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I don't know how much the rest of you know about Mario Kart culture (I'm an expert), but...
Mr.Gamerson
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Luckily for Nintendo they made a boatload of money during this switch generation, way more than they likely expected. It's worth taking a slight loss at launch or just breaking even if it means the prices aren't too high potentially squandering the goodwill they have. You don't want to do what Sony did going from PS2 to PS3 and get too cocky and price people out, then have to spend the rest of the generation trying to claw your way back up. Sony was able to come back from the initial PS3 blunders but they essential gave Microsoft, and Nintendo a layup that generation to gain market share, and then Microsoft and Nintendo gave it right back to them lol (Wii U, Xbox One).
YolkFolk
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I wouldn’t get too hung up about the March 2024 date to be honest. It’s come from Nate, a good source, but a lone one, and wasn’t at all mentioned by VGC or Eurogamer/Digital Foundry.
I find it a bit odd to be honest that this date was apparently said so often but with zero indication as to what it related to. I’ve mentioned it previously but were people walking around like Psyduck going ‘March, March, March?’. I don’t know. I wasn’t there.
Personally I remain confident in a reveal/announcement in early-ish 2024.
I find it a bit odd to be honest that this date was apparently said so often but with zero indication as to what it related to. I’ve mentioned it previously but were people walking around like Psyduck going ‘March, March, March?’. I don’t know. I wasn’t there.
Personally I remain confident in a reveal/announcement in early-ish 2024.
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My guess was it was a "we will see more about this system in march" kind of deal most likely pointing to a reveal. I don't think they would have said "this system is coming out in march" and if they did nate would've said that. So im guessing a more is coming in march weather that be a reveal or the devs see more of it from nintendo from another trade show or something
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Fair points!
I must be a lucky one because I’ve never had issues with it logging me off, and I haven’t really seen the UI, or the OS itself to be that jank, but everyone’s experience is different in that regard. Unless the game could not load because of compatibility reasons, I’ve had zero issues booting up titles.
For me, you turn on the system, it automatically opens up Steam so you can right to playing your games.
It is not entirely like a proper console experience that we’ve seen for what the Switch can do, but it by far has been a much easier experience to boot up games compared to my Gaming PC.
I’ve been saying for years now that Consoles are becoming more PC-like, and Gaming PCs are becoming more console-like.
For me, the Steam Deck is the closest we’ve come to that imo.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Sony is really aggressively hiring at all of their GAAS studios for machine learning engineers to try to be able to produce the ridiculous amount of content these games need.
www.guerrilla-games.com
Will be very curious if this works. This is the third or fourth Sony GAAS studio to hire for machine learning engineers for content creation.
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Will be very curious if this works. This is the third or fourth Sony GAAS studio to hire for machine learning engineers for content creation.
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I mean i don't think they are that happy to every year make about half of Nintendo in profits while they every year have more revenue coming into Playstation compared to Nintendo. That means that every year Nintendo Switch is much more effective vs Playstation in generating profit. But unless they scale down AAA games and make more smaller budget titles such as Nintendo do there is no quick fix to the profit dilemma for them.Poor Sony. Only $1.8 Billion in profit.
YolkFolk
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If this machine was out in March it would be all over the place right now. All major outlets would have sources reporting on it since they wouldn’t be able to keep it quiet.
Dark Cloud
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It’s the deadest in a long time. We were getting consistent leaks for a while
VR still makes 40-70% of players want to throw up, and that's a huge problem for the companies behind it
Why virtual reality makes a lot of us sick, and what we can do about it.
I guess this is one of the reason why VR gaming will never really take off, hopefully Nintendo don't invest too much in that.
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Yeah. If Nintendo wouldn’t release the Wii Vitality Sensor with a 90% working rate, it won’t release a major VR component with those percentages. Back to the Lab(o).VR still makes 40-70% of players want to throw up, and that's a huge problem for the companies behind it
Why virtual reality makes a lot of us sick, and what we can do about it.www.pcgamer.com
I guess this is one of the reason why VR gaming will never really take off, hopefully Nintendo don't invest too much in that.
I'm not so sure about that. I'd give it about 6 weeks before making that assertion even if I think a March release is unlikely.
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VR still makes 40-70% of players want to throw up, and that's a huge problem for the companies behind it
Why virtual reality makes a lot of us sick, and what we can do about it.
I guess this is one of the reason why VR gaming will never really take off, hopefully Nintendo don't invest too much in that.
The 30-60% (that in itself is such a massive discrepancy that it calls the surveying into question) of people who don't have any issue with VR is still a huge market to tap into, and the projected growth rate for VR over the next decade is nothing to write off either - especially with tens of millions of headsets selling in just the last few years alone, it would be a mistake for them not to at least invest a decent amount in the research because the interest is very clearly there
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until Nintendo or any developers find a way to make VR viable, in a way that when you use VR you dont feel ill/sick, VR will not be the future of gamingVR still makes 40-70% of players want to throw up, and that's a huge problem for the companies behind it
Why virtual reality makes a lot of us sick, and what we can do about it.
I guess this is one of the reason why VR gaming will never really take off, hopefully Nintendo don't invest too much in that.
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VR is the hardcore gamer market that Nintendo don't focus that much on, not the casual audience that Nintendo usually prices their consoles towards. Hardcore gamers focus on graphics, VR etc, while Nintendo usually wants to sell consoles that are good value but not cutting edge in any way.
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I mean, I'm in the 40+% of people it does make sick, and I STILL want VR!
The more you use it the less sick it makes you, too.
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Busy Friday, I'll be working late tonight.
Not much I don't want, as long as it's optional. I heavily dislike motion controls, e.g., due to my dyspraxia, and never use them, but it's perfectly fine if they're not forced. Great for those who like them etc. I guess if I had to pick something else from the line-up of old Nintendo features that I don't want to return, the (3)DS sensor that created the "having to blow into a microphone" gameplay feature in some games can be kept way back in the archives as far as I'm concerned.
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