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Pre-Release Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (2024) — Pre-release Discussion Thread

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stoked that this is coming since I’ve never played (most) of it!

that said:

I hope someday they’ll give me my favorite Paper Mario

that’s right…

Color Splash
 
Finally the Switch has a Paper Mario game. It's weird how long the system has gone without one.
 
Suswave said:
stoked that this is coming since I’ve never played (most) of it!

that said:

I hope someday they’ll give me my favorite Paper Mario

that’s right…

Color Splash
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I was surprised by how much I liked Color Splash. It wasn't perfect by any means, and you could tell that it was rushed, but it was a lot of fun.

Still, I think the Paper Mario game that could benefit the most from a remaster with QOL fixes is SPM.
 
The Vivian situation is weird because if you asked me today between NCL and NOA which one would be more likely to include positive trans representation in a game’s script I’d say NOA, yet that wasn’t the case back then when the game was originally released.

I don’t think they’ll change it just because I don’t think they’re gonna change much in general, but I don’t think it’s impossible either
 
Josh5890 said:
I was surprised by how much I liked Color Splash. It wasn't perfect by any means, and you could tell that it was rushed, but it was a lot of fun.

Still, I think the Paper Mario game that could benefit the most from a remaster with QOL fixes is SPM.
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the writing and the weirdness have really truly kept it at the top for me

maybe that’ll be very different once I play more of this one, but. there’s just so much I love about Color Splash!

and the music, my god…
 
soundchaser said:
The developing arrangement of the World Map theme in Color Splash might be one of my favorite things in the series, period.
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the world map is super underrated too — like it’s a weird approach to sort of tie an SMB3-style map back into it — but it really works for me!

I love the boss themes in it. unfortunately I don’t remember most of them and the videos keep getting taken off YouTube

I’ve been working on music for my own game and I think Color Splash definitely had an influence on the style!
 
O. W. Funnyname said:
Only thing stopping this is "it's a remake, so it doesn't count"

Definitely ends the "they'll replace every single original character with regular Goombas and Toads" meme, though.
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yeah but those people weren't making that argument so if they start to make that argument you know just how much their opinion matters lol. Concern trolling is not worth time.

I'm just glad we can move on from the nonsense haha.
 
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I also think the original already kinda felt like a pop-up book. 64 was always more storybook than TTYD to me; TTYD was the start of leaning into more papercraft elements in the aesthetic.
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It's interesting how the style evolved across the series. I always read TTYD's aesthetic as having more of a comic book flare to it because of that halftone effect it would use on a few things like the sky in this shot:
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The whole game didn't fully commit to the idea of a comic panel, but the halftones are still rather unique to the original TTYD. I noticed they sort of have the effect in the darkness surrounding the chest demon in the new version
 
Xorhan said:

God, it would be so disappointing if it turns out that it's 30 fps. The remake seems fine otherwise but this would sour the whole thing
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Of course it’s gonna be 30fps, gotta give the 60 to the Switch 2

Rexskel said:
I hope this opens the door to a Super Paper Mario remake. Lovely game but with a lot of flaws that could be fixed in one (weak bosses, the sometimes weird pacing, some of the level design).
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I’m down for a remake, but they’ll leave the game as is
 
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I'd be more willing to buy and replay these games I've already replayed before if there were achievements on the system as superficial as that sounds. But it's hard to go back a 3rd time.
 
Random thing I haven't seen mentioned: I appreciate that they're adding back sprites to the partners, but I'm definitely going to take a bit to get used to that lol
 
Magic-Man said:
I know it's a remake, but I wish the battle backgrounds were more interesting and colorful. It's really just a boring stage?
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Have you played TTYD before? The entire game takes place on those theatre like settings and includes various interactions with both the stage props and the audience depending on the battle, one example was shown in the trailer where some of the background tree props fell on an enemy, which would be the result of an attack that shook the stage.

There's not a lot they could have done to change the theming of that.
 
Linkstrikesback said:
Have you played TTYD before? The entire game takes place on those theatre like settings and includes various interactions with both the stage props and the audience depending on the battle, one example was shown in the trailer where some of the background tree props fell on an enemy, which would be the result of an attack that shook the stage.

There's not a lot they could have done to change the theming of that.
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Never played it before. I have played Origami King though and I like the battle background design of that much better. The stage props attacking is interesting though!
 
This annoucement has made me come to a disturbing realization on how much the Paper Mario discourse has poisened my brain.

So TTYD is one of my favorite game of all time, I played it like 9 times since I got when I was 10. I should be overjoyed for this remake, and I am looking forward to it. However, I have spent so many unpleasant moment with the diehard fans of the first 2 game (considering I very much love the modern games, especially TOK, you can guess why) that my very first thought when I saw the remake was "Thank fuck the purists will finally shut up about it now!"

Like that's super sad and petty, I shouldn't let these people get to me, but they do, I can't help it and I hate it.

Anyway, I hope there's some additional post game content like the Mario RPG remake.
 
Maronic03 said:
This annoucement has made me come to a disturbing realization on how much the Paper Mario discourse has poisened my brain.

So TTYD is one of my favorite game of all time, I played it like 9 times since I got when I was 10. I should be overjoyed for this remake, and I am looking forward to it. However, I have spent so many unpleasant moment with the diehard fans of the first 2 game (considering I very much love the modern games, especially TOK, you can guess why) that my very first thought when I saw the remake was "Thank fuck the purists will finally shut up about it now!"

Like that's super sad and petty, I shouldn't let these people get to me, but they do and I can't help it.

Anyway, I hope there's some additional post game content like the Mario RPG remake.
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me too. And I was a purist (kinda) until Origami King. The OG games are amazing but the series is not dead and has a clear road forward to success. I can't complain about that. Made me realize I was more concerned with the IP dying than anything probably.

Now we get TTYD on a modern console. I'll take it.
 
Magic-Man said:
Never played it before. I have played Origami King though and I like the battle background design of that much better. The stage props attacking is interesting though!
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Stage audiences will also throw stuff at you or do something small to the stage to benefit or hurt you.
 
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Kaizo said:
I sure do hope the noose means absolutely nothing got censored, from the stuff with Peach to Pianta Parlor (I was seeing someone bring up that there was some new ESRB rule about simulated gambling requiring a higher rating, but I'm not knowledgeable about it myself). Everything so far has been perfection.
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The biggest problem with gambling is also the PEGI in Europe. They are the reason why Pokemon removed it. There is also no mention of Gambling in the French PEGI description of the game, just "Fear, Violence" and it's PEGI 7.
 
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I'm surprised they announced this now, when SMRPG isn't even out yet.
That's 2 Mario RPG remakes in a short time.

Whenever i think of TTYD i think about the backtracking that plagues most chapters, i don't think i have a desire to replay it.
It's a great first playthrough though so i'd recommend it for those who've never played it.
 
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I’ve never played Super Mario RPG so that will be new to me, while this will be familiar. I’m so happy Mario RPGs are coming back in stride.
 
Game looks gorgeous by the way. I've never played TTYD and honestly I wasn't much of a fan of PM64, but I'll give this a try. Hope they make the effort to make it more streamlined, I heard the backtracking can get quite bad.
 
Leo said:
Game looks gorgeous by the way. I've never played TTYD and honestly I wasn't much of a fan of PM64, but I'll give this a try. Hope they make the effort to make it more streamlined, I heard the backtracking can get quite bad.
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It's a great 20-25 hour experience trapped in a 30-35 hour game. The levels are thankfully (usually) pretty enough that it's not TOO bad, but expect to revisit the same areas more than once in each chapter.
 
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Highlight of the Direct for me. TOK is the only Paper Mario I've ever played, and I really enjoyed it's charm and vibes. I'm excited too see what the TTYD's fuss is all about. Especially when it's happening in the form of a gorgeous graphical remake.
 
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Still for my money the best Mario RPG game, glad that it’s finally available again on a modern console. Hopefully they don’t take the cowards way out with Vivian and make the effort to update the script for her, they have to be aware of how bad a look that would be if it’s unchanged.

With remakes of this and Mario RPG, and the original Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi being available on NSO all we really need is some sort of rerelease of Bowser’s Inside Story and that’ll be all the best Mario RPG’s playable on the Switch.
 
Yes!!! Can't believe this is finally happening! Nintendo actually listened!! And they even devoted the closing "one more thing" to it in the direct! So amazing to see old style Paper Mario back and shown the respect it deserves :D

I just hope it sells well and releasing late in the Switch's life doesn't hamper its performance. The future of the series could be influenced by it! Ahhh, I'm excited about the Paper Mario franchise again!!
 
Super excited for this! TTYD is already a great game but there's a ton of room for a remake to improve on.

I'm really hoping they add a fast travel pipe to creepy steeple and trim down / axe the general white quest. The puni AI in chapter 2 could also use an overhaul...
 
Maronic03 said:
This annoucement has made me come to a disturbing realization on how much the Paper Mario discourse has poisened my brain.

So TTYD is one of my favorite game of all time, I played it like 9 times since I got when I was 10. I should be overjoyed for this remake, and I am looking forward to it. However, I have spent so many unpleasant moment with the diehard fans of the first 2 game (considering I very much love the modern games, especially TOK, you can guess why) that my very first thought when I saw the remake was "Thank fuck the purists will finally shut up about it now!"

Like that's super sad and petty, I shouldn't let these people get to me, but they do, I can't help it and I hate it.

Anyway, I hope there's some additional post game content like the Mario RPG remake.
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Prefacing this that I actually quite enjoyed TOK in the end, but it absolutely went both ways a few years back lmao. What with the five million "PAPER MARIO FANS WHEN THERE'S NO EXP"/"PAPER MARIO FANS WHEN THE CRAFT MATERIAL SHOWS UP"/ etc. shitposts on twitter that derailed any attempt to even question TOK's direction. Absolutely reeked of fans getting angry people weren't adequately excited for a product, or pointing at dumber people upset at white outlines or w/e to handwave the mountains of legitimate criticism more level headed people had.

Really not buying this revisionist history where it was only one side to the Paper Mario discourse when I got called a dumbass point blank for saying I wasn't excited for TOK because I felt burnt by SS and CS or saw fans of the old games called freaks for not being excited enough.

At least with Sticker Star it felt fairly unanimous with how everyone felt lmao.

EDIT: Eh maybe this post was whinier than I intended, but I still get annoyed that after coping some dumb abuse for trying to articulate why I wasn't excited for a game I wasn't excited for back in 2020 a few years later it's suddenly 'boy TTYD fans sure did harass everyone over that huh'. Probably also doesn't help this was on twitter which has always been a wasteland for discussion regardless of context but hey, still excited for this remake!
 
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This might be one of the few games where I buy it physically and digitally for once (I might do it for both SMRPG and this depending on my money situation). I've been wanting this since 2015-16!
I do wonder if it's intelligent systems working on this remake, which it probably is; it'll be interesting to see if this remake does actually influence the direction of the next Paper Mario games or even give us a possible SPM remake with the scrapped GC controls.
 
AstroOhHey said:
Prefacing this that I actually quite enjoyed TOK in the end, but it absolutely went both ways a few years back lmao. What with the five million "PAPER MARIO FANS WHEN THERE'S NO EXP"/"PAPER MARIO FANS WHEN THE CRAFT MATERIAL SHOWS UP"/ etc. shitposts on twitter that derailed any attempt to even question TOK's direction. Absolutely reeked of fans getting angry people weren't adequately excited for a product, or pointing at dumber people upset at white outlines or w/e to handwave the mountains of legitimate criticism more level headed people had.

Really not buying this revisionist history where it was only one side to the Paper Mario discourse when I got called a dumbass point blank for saying I wasn't excited for TOK because I felt burnt by SS and CS or saw fans of the old games called freaks for not being excited enough.

At least with Sticker Star it felt fairly unanimous with how everyone felt lmao.

EDIT: Eh maybe this post was whinier than I intended, but I still get annoyed that after coping some dumb abuse for trying to articulate why I wasn't excited for a game I wasn't excited for back in 2020 a few years later it's suddenly 'boy TTYD fans sure did harass everyone over that huh'. Probably also doesn't help this was on twitter which has always been a wasteland for discussion regardless of context but hey, still excited for this remake!
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I mean, I remember pretty clearly TTYD fans getting very annoying way back at Super Paper Mario's release because it wasn't "yet another TTYD".

(Speaking of which, I believe Super Paper Mario is also better than TTYD and deserves a remakester along with PM64).
 
Comic Obsessed said:
I mean, I remember pretty clearly TTYD fans getting very annoying way back at Super Paper Mario's release because it wasn't "yet another TTYD".

(Speaking of which, I believe Super Paper Mario is also better than TTYD and deserves a remakester along with PM64).
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That goes too far back for me to remember internet-time wise so I can't really comment on that lmao.

I like Super well-enough but I honestly found the gameplay to be a slog when I replayed it a few years ago leading up to TOK. Great story and characters but the platforming/JRPG mechanics didn't really mesh that well and I think TOK has a better flow to its attempt at real-time combat.
 
AstroOhHey said:
That goes too far back for me to remember internet-time wise so I can't really comment on that lmao.

I like Super well-enough but I honestly found the gameplay to be a slog when I replayed it a few years ago leading up to TOK. Great story and characters but the platforming/JRPG mechanics didn't really mesh that well and I think TOK has a better flow to its attempt at real-time combat.
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Funnily enough, I like SPM's "battle system" better than TOK's because it just goes straight to the point.

In fact, ideally the next PM should be a combination of both SPM and TOK, Action RPG Platformer with big open areas to explore.
 
So whats the speculated consensus that if this game will be released for next gen as well? All they revealed was a 2024 release.

You guys think this is a part of the (cross-gen) games that will release on both systems? Or switch exclusive?
 
The Captain said:
So whats the speculated consensus that if this game will be released for next gen as well? All they revealed was a 2024 release.

You guys think this is a part of the (cross-gen) games that will release on both systems? Or switch exclusive?
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Pretty sure they're keeping all the remakes and such for OG Switch while they save most of the new stuff for Switch 2.

TTYD will probably get a 60FPS upgrade by playing it on Switch 2 though.
 
The Captain said:
So whats the speculated consensus that if this game will be released for next gen as well? All they revealed was a 2024 release.

You guys think this is a part of the (cross-gen) games that will release on both systems? Or switch exclusive?
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None, because most of these Switch games will likely be playable on the successor via BC.
 
Hailinel said:
They aren't. They just don't play like the first two Paper Mario games.

Also, my faith that this will end the psychopathic "Mario Mandate" conspiracy theorizing is at the absolute minimum.
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Every time you comment anything related to old style Paper Mario, it's with a swipe at fans of them, often straw-manning like above. Any thread paper mario related on this board, I predict and expect you to come in with some type of comment like that, and you never fail to! 😅

Cool beans if you prefer the newer games and I'm sorry if some old-style fans have been obnoxious over the years. But there's plenty who haven't acted that way.

We've not had anything like this for nearly 20 years, give us some leeway to be excited for a change lol. PM64 is my favourite game of all time and I love TTYD as well, I've been waiting a very long time for this!
 
sadsquid said:
Every time you comment anything related to old style Paper Mario, it's with a swipe at fans of them, often straw-manning like above. Any thread paper mario related on this board, I predict and expect you to come in with some type of comment like that, and you never fail to! 😅

Cool beans if you prefer the newer games and I'm sorry if some old-style fans have been obnoxious over the years. But there's plenty who haven't acted that way.

We've not had anything like this for nearly 20 years, give us some leeway to be excited for a change lol. PM64 is my favourite game of all time and I love TTYD as well, I've been waiting a very long time for this!
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Not every fan is like that, and I hope the people that love TTYD enjoy this new version (whether it's a remaster or remake). I'm not saying don't be excited. If this is what you want, I hope you like it!

I'm saying don't be like the person on this forum that, in a thread on a then-unsubstantiated rumor that a TTYD remake existed (no specifics, only that it was a thing), worked themselves into a near panic attack imagining their worst case scenario was inevitable despite, again, it was a vague, unsubstantiated rumor. (That's not a strawman. That was something that actually happened.)

Call me predictable, and sure, I am. But some fans really need to learn to relax when it comes to their favorite games.
 
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