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Pre-Release Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (2024) — Pre-release Discussion Thread (UPDATE: launch trailer, see threadmarks)

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Still surreal that this is happening AND it's happening so close to a remake of the original Super Mario RPG too, I really figured either the TTYD rumors were bogus after the last direct or it'd be another Pikmin 1/2 shadowdrop situation where they'd drop a quick emulated port to tide people over during the wait for one Mario JRPG with another.

Not that I'm remotely complaining of course, it just feels sorta surreal the best case scenario for me is happening here.
 
Hailinel said:
They aren't. They just don't play like the first two Paper Mario games.
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Sticker Star, Color Splash and Origami King are all definitely cut from the same cloth, but I think that's more a testament to the new formula having potential rather than Origami King being bad.

All 3 are adventure games with minimal progression and an emphasis on collecting consumables and solving puzzles. All 3 feature a major side character that speaks for Mario and houses a signature "way opening" mechanic related to the current hardware.
 
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THEY KEPT MARIO'S SFX NO MORE SLIENT JUMP!!! :DDD
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I think I also heard some Origami king SFX when he was turning into the plane I like that mix in there!

Edit: Actually now I’m sure it is. It’s the same SFX when you unfold the hidden toads but since mario is folding as well they included the SFX I think thats a neat detail.
 
EtherPenguin said:
Found a comparison video:


Fun little detail: they made the intercom device in the Glitz Pit locker room look even more like gameboy advance and even put the branding on it that wasn't there originally
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I was originally kinda "meh" on this announcement originally cause I thought it looked like a really basic up-resed remaster. But watching this comparison made me get much more excited. It's a good example of "how you remember it looking vs. what it actually looked like". With the new dynamic lighting, shadows, reflections, textures, and models, this is definitely feeling like a much more high quality remaster like Metroid Prime.

And I just got a crazy idea: what if it has bonus content where you can play as Luigi in his quest for the Marvelous Compass?!
 
Hailinel said:
Not every fan is like that, and I hope the people that love TTYD enjoy this new version (whether it's a remaster or remake). I'm not saying don't be excited. If this is what you want, I hope you like it!

I'm saying don't be like the person on this forum that, in a thread on a then-unsubstantiated rumor that a TTYD remake existed (no specifics, only that it was a thing), worked themselves into a near panic attack imagining their worst case scenario was inevitable despite, again, it was a vague, unsubstantiated rumor. (That's not a strawman. That was something that actually happened.)

Call me predictable, and sure, I am. But some fans really need to learn to relax when it comes to their favorite games.
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Fair enough. Appreciate the acknowledgement that we're not all like that. I don't recall seeing that particular person, but hopefully this announcement has reassured them 😅
 
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And I just got a crazy idea: what if it has bonus content where you can play as Luigi in his quest for the Marvelous Compass?!
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This would be one of the greatest things ever. Talking to Luigi and then his partners afterwards that reveals he’s a complete coward and liar is one of the highlights of the game haha
 
Just posting one last time here for now to say this announcement still doesn't feel real to me, and brings so much joy into my life. This has been my very #1 favorite video game ever since I first played it almost two decades ago, and to see it get such great attention from Nintendo and also share the love with other fans about it is a thing of beauty. Very, very grateful this is happening, hoping for a very authentic, uncensored experience (footage we've seen so far is all promising)!
 
I knew this game existed beforehand with no other details so I was excited to see they were overhauling the graphics (not that they needed to as the original still looks fantastic). I also was caught off guard because I didn’t expect it to be shown here with Mario RPG still not out, but I wasn’t really that excited still because while it is my favorite Paper Mario game I just replayed it last year so just new graphics didn’t do much for me.

But throughout the day now we’ve heard about the new toad, partner character back sprites, and some new detail additions and suddenly I’m finding myself a lot more excited. I expect the core game to remain the same for what we’ve seen so far, but the new Toad in particular has me excited for fresh surprises and makes me hopeful that we will be getting some new content too. Even if it were mostly on the level of the new post game super bosses in Mario RPG, I’m so excited to have new things to enjoy in a game I love so much.
 
AstroOhHey said:
Prefacing this that I actually quite enjoyed TOK in the end, but it absolutely went both ways a few years back lmao. What with the five million "PAPER MARIO FANS WHEN THERE'S NO EXP"/"PAPER MARIO FANS WHEN THE CRAFT MATERIAL SHOWS UP"/ etc. shitposts on twitter that derailed any attempt to even question TOK's direction. Absolutely reeked of fans getting angry people weren't adequately excited for a product, or pointing at dumber people upset at white outlines or w/e to handwave the mountains of legitimate criticism more level headed people had.

Really not buying this revisionist history where it was only one side to the Paper Mario discourse when I got called a dumbass point blank for saying I wasn't excited for TOK because I felt burnt by SS and CS or saw fans of the old games called freaks for not being excited enough.

At least with Sticker Star it felt fairly unanimous with how everyone felt lmao.

EDIT: Eh maybe this post was whinier than I intended, but I still get annoyed that after coping some dumb abuse for trying to articulate why I wasn't excited for a game I wasn't excited for back in 2020 a few years later it's suddenly 'boy TTYD fans sure did harass everyone over that huh'. Probably also doesn't help this was on twitter which has always been a wasteland for discussion regardless of context but hey, still excited for this remake!
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Reading your comment really just strengthens how obnoxious Paper Mario's discourse has been these past years (no matter what your position is) and how I'm sure it'll continue to be.

This remake very much counts as a dream game, something that many think would never happen; but the way my brains automatically associates TTYD with its purists is legitimately ruining the whole game for me.
I'm actually scared I won't even be able to properly enjoy this remake because of the negative impact this specific side of the community had on me.

I really need to distance myself from the Paper Mario community as much as possible from now on. I did the opposite when TOK came out and that was clearly a big mistake.
 
Maronic03 said:
Reading your comment really just strengthens how obnoxious Paper Mario's discourse has been these past years (no matter what your position is) and how I'm sure it'll continue to be.

This remake very much counts as a dream game, something that many think would never happen; but the way my brains automatically associates TTYD with its purists is legitimately ruining the whole game for me.
I'm actually scared I won't even be able to properly enjoy this remake because of the negative impact this specific side of the community had on me.

I really need to distance myself from the Paper Mario community as much as possible from now on. I did the opposite when TOK came out and that was clearly a big mistake.
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I hope I'm not misreading your comment (or you with mine ha) but either way yeah, it sucks that you copped some stupidity for giving TOK a chance/got annoyed by others being too dug in to the old games to open up a little.

I'm glad I gave the game a chance as TOK was a breath of fresh air for me, but yeah PM discourse in general sort of sucks which bites when TTYD is such an important game for me and I'd rather just be gushing about it non-stop, especially now.
 
AstroOhHey said:
I hope I'm not misreading your comment (or you with mine ha) but either way yeah, it sucks that you copped some stupidity for giving TOK a chance/got annoyed by others being too dug in to the old games to open up a little.

I'm glad I gave the game a chance as TOK was a breath of fresh air for me, but yeah PM discourse in general sort of sucks which bites when TTYD is such an important game for me and I'd rather just be gushing about it non-stop, especially now.
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I love TOK immensely, it's my number 2. The problem I had is witnessing way too many people trying to downplay every single aspect about it in order to make TTYD look like this """"objectively"""" better game.

The whole "fire Tanabe" being the absolute worst part of the discourse.
 
Speaking of changes... dare we hope for the localisation to be properly updated so that they restore Vivian's status as trans? Chickening out of it in the early 2000s was bad enough, doing so now again would be borderline inexcusable
 
Linkstrikesback said:
Speaking of changes... dare we hope for the localisation to be properly updated so that they restore Vivian's status as trans? Chickening out of it in the early 2000s was bad enough, doing so now again would be borderline inexcusable
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Would love to see this.

Not holding out much hope though.
 
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Linkstrikesback said:
Speaking of changes... dare we hope for the localisation to be properly updated so that they restore Vivian's status as trans? Chickening out of it in the early 2000s was bad enough, doing so now again would be borderline inexcusable
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I'm somewhat doubtful, but surely by now there would be enough people working on this to want to rectify it. The original script has stuff like outdated internet speak, and the whole bizarre Hooktail feet thing, so surely they're making some revisions anyway, so I have to imagine they'd fix Vivian while they're at it.
 
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Add this to list of 20+ years old games I can't wait to re-buy at retail price, rather than having them emulated on VC.
 
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Magic-Man said:
I wonder why we don't have a date for this yet. Is it because of the uncertainty surrounding Switch 2 launch?
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Nah, they'll announce the release date for April or May at the February direct like they always do
Just waiting until they're certain of the release date for every games releasing up until Summer 2024. They always do that.
 
BassForever said:
People who say this game isn't much of a glow up clearly have not looked at side by side footage.
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It's honestly hilarious how whenever a remake is announced people often mistake it for a remaster. Same thing happen with MPR.

As somebody who didn't grow up with a Gamecube and casually watches tech focused channels like DF these games being graphical/full remakes is so, so obvious. Just goes to show how much biases influence us. And to be clear, I'm not shitting on people who need a minute to realize "oh, this is not the OG running at a higher resolution with some touch-ups". It's just funny to think of the perception people have of Gamecube graphics of all things. Ah... nostalgia.

Edit: which also feeds into the whole 30 fps "controversy". I might also add, looking at this side by side, that this definitely feels like a complete rebuild of the game, even geometry being altered. TOK was 30 fps for a reason. If they can't hit 60 with the amount of modern rendering features and texture work they're doing than they simply can't. IS aren't incompetent.
 
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Vernal said:
It's honestly hilarious how whenever a remake is announced people often mistake it for a remaster. Same thing happen with MPR.

As somebody who didn't grow up with a Gamecube and casually watches tech focused channels like DF these games being graphical/full remakes is so, so obvious. Just goes to show how much biases influence us. And to be clear, I'm not shitting on people who need a minute to realize "oh, this is not the OG running at a higher resolution with some touch-ups". It's just funny to think of the perception people have of Gamecube graphics of all things. Ah... nostalgia.
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People often remember things as looking better then they actually did. Even I, as someone who could instantly tell this was a full remake, was shocked at just how much better this game looked when I watched the side by side.
 
I haven’t seen the original since I played it on the GameCube and the remake is clearly a massive improvement. It looks fantastic.
 
the 2 original Paper Mario games are so ingrained in my Brain.

I could see a lot of the differences and improvements pretty easily.

I think this one will be 60 bucks tho lol
 
sadsquid said:
We've not had anything like this for nearly 20 years,
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That's just not true, but that's part of the self generated fervour the most vocal of TTYD fans specifically have worked themselves up in to. There's plenty of indie games that have moved in to the space, but because the vocal part of the base have made it so they want TTYD and nothing even slightly deviating from it, they've just largely ignored everything when it comes to actually playing games like TTYD.

Bug Fables is straight up a better game than PM64 and I would go so far as to argue it's better than TTYD too. But my efforts to getting people to actually play it when it was new went nowhere because it became obvious quickly that nearly nobody but me cared. There's a whole list of good turn based with action command RPGs that don't hide where their inspiration came from either, but again, it's TTYD or bust for the most vocal of complainers.
 
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I'd say it's not even "people so nostalgic, don't even realise this isn't just a touch up lol" but a testament to how well an artstyle that isn't laser focused on delivering hyper realisitc high fidelity visuals can age.
 
oomoepoo said:
I'd say it's not even "people so nostalgic, don't even realise this isn't just a touch up lol" but a testament to how well an artstyle that isn't laser focused on delivering hyper realisitc high fidelity visuals can age.
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Bit of a hot take but I think this is only partially true, and if anything overstated precisely by the same people who will tell you how good these GameCube games look upscaled when they then won't immediately recognize a remake of the same game.

I.e. the idea that an upscaled cube game with a non-realistic artsyle holds up so well when pitted against another game of today visually it's absolute bs. Proof of that is the massive gulf we can see from the OGs to stuff like MPR or TTYD 2024.
 
Vernal said:
I.e. the idea that an upscaled cube game with a non-realistic artsyle holds up so well when pitted against another game of today visually it's absolute bs. Proof of that is the massive gulf we can see from the OGs to stuff like MPR or TTYD 2024.
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This is very subjective though and I think calling it "absolute bs" is pretty condescending.
 
Linkstrikesback said:
That's just not true, but that's part of the self generated fervour the most vocal of TTYD fans specifically have worked themselves up in to. There's plenty of indie games that have moved in to the space, but because the vocal part of the base have made it so they want TTYD and nothing even slightly deviating from it, they've just largely ignored everything when it comes to actually playing games like TTYD.

Bug Fables is straight up a better game than PM64 and I would go so far as to argue it's better than TTYD too. But my efforts to getting people to actually play it when it was new went nowhere because it became obvious quickly that nearly nobody but me cared. There's a whole list of good turn based with action command RPGs that don't hide where their inspiration came from either, but again, it's TTYD or bust for the most vocal of complainers.
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Those games are unknown because they are indie games with limited advertisements. People not caring about indie is nothing new. I’ve been trying to get people to play Wandersong all the times but haven’t got any hook either.
 
Man, if TTYD doesn't sell as much as people think we will have even more excuses and yet another 20 years of whining.

RedSpring said:
Those games are unknown because they are indie games with limited advertisements.
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That's not true. Bug Fables in particular was heavily pushed by basically every TTYD fanboy in Youtube (most famously Arlo) with a whole "This is what we want Nintendo!" mentality while at the same time trashing on The Origami King that was releasing in that same year so when Bug Fables basically bombed and TOK sold rather decently, the complaining just went ridiculous despite that one would think it would stop.
 
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Man, if TTYD doesn't sell as much as people think we will have even more excuses and yet another 20 years of whining.



That's not true. Bug Fables in particular was heavily pushed by basically every TTYD fanboy in Youtube (most famously Arlo) with a whole "This is what we want Nintendo!" mentality while at the same time trashing on The Origami King that was releasing in that same year so when Bug Fables basically bombed and TOK sold rather decently, the complaining just went ridiculous despite that one would think it would stop.
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All of that pale in comparison to being covered in almost all gaming channels plus tv ads.
 
RedSpring said:
All of that pale in comparison to being covered in almost all gaming channels plus tv ads.
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Is still more push than Indies get and other games in that same category got even more sales than Bug Fables.

Funnily enough, I actually like Bug Fables, is a pretty good RPG and you would think its quality would translate into sales but it didn't. That tells you more about the formula and audience than people would like to admit.
 
Comic Obsessed said:
Is still more push than Indies get and other games in that same category got even more sales than Bug Fables.

Funnily enough, I actually like Bug Fables, is a pretty good RPG and you would think its quality would translate into sales but it didn't. That tells you more about the formula and audience than people would like to admit.
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It sucks but it happens. I like the game and it deserved more success. Still not a measure of formula or audience any more than all the Smash like that failed.
 
It's been almost 20 years since I picked this game out for my Christmas present (it came out in November here in Aus). I still remember looking at the front cover and being so excited that a Paper Mario sequel existed. :)
 
I see this much more as a remake than a remaster with all the assets most likely remade with new lighting, new animations, new rendering which would also be for the best to readjust the timing considering the game might be 30 fps instead of 60 fps (at least according to the trailers/videos released so far).

Also glad Nintendo seems to be moving away from calling stuff "HD" "Remaster" or stuff as it always felt like more marketing fluff rather than actually describing the work realized by developers.
 
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Comic Obsessed said:
Is still more push than Indies get and other games in that same category got even more sales than Bug Fables.

Funnily enough, I actually like Bug Fables, is a pretty good RPG and you would think its quality would translate into sales but it didn't. That tells you more about the formula and audience than people would like to admit.
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It doesn't say anything.
I have played Bug Fables and it's got good gameplay. But it looks extremely unappealing, has unappealing character design, the cover also looks very basic, etc.

Too many aspects that hold the game back.
 
Magic-Man said:
I wonder why we don't have a date for this yet. Is it because of the uncertainty surrounding Switch 2 launch?
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I've noticed a trend of Nintendo getting more careful since they had to revise the release dates of Xenoblade 3 and Splatoon 3 last year. Pikmin 4 similarly was only labelled as 2023 at the September Direct last year, despite not being that far off. Princess Peach Showtime was just 'next year' last Direct, even though we now know it's a March game.

They've gotten cagey about giving a release window on anything over 6 months out, it seems. I wouldn't make much of any particular game being tied to new hardware because of it.

Cheetah6442 said:
It could just be me, but don't the gameplay look closer to 60 here?
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Given the videos weren't even uploaded at 60 fps, it's just you and the one user that Yeah!d you lol
 
Lucifer said:
It doesn't say anything.
I have played Bug Fables and it's got good gameplay. But it looks extremely unappealing, has unappealing character design, the cover also looks very basic, etc.

Too many aspects that hold the game back.
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What? The artstyle is heavily based on TTYD and the character design is cute.

But sure, keep saying that "it doesn't say anything". I assume people will keep saying that once TTYD doesn't sell as much as TOK.
 
Comic Obsessed said:
What? The artstyle is heavily based on TTYD and the character design is cute.

But sure, keep saying that "it doesn't say anything". I assume people will keep saying that once TTYD doesn't sell as much as TOK.
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It's a remake releasing while the Switch is winding down, of course it will very likely sell less. (and it has a lower budget so it's fine)
 
I've barely even participated in the Paper Mario wars at all, it's just true that remakes rarely outsell new games (outliers like OoT 3DS vs. Link Between Worlds excepted) and they cost much less to make so they don't need to. If people said that they were (very likely) wrong.
 
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I don't really think it's a widely held belief that this ever stood the chance of outselling Origami King, at least not on Famiboards. It was mostly one (now permanently banned) member who was convinced it'd sell better but already started making excuses for why it won't. It's a nonsensical target for the game anyway.
 
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