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I’ll give you nes to snes. N64 should have used the optical disc. They made that mistake then screwed it up by making a mini one for the GameCube. Both of those decisions greatly impacted the success of those consoles.
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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)
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dsm
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If they call the next console "Super Switch", " Switch Advanced", "Switch Focus" or anything like that, they might have a Wii U communication problem because there is also a Switch Lite or a Switch Oled.
IMO calling it "Switch 2" is the most effective way to clarify that this is the successor.
IMO calling it "Switch 2" is the most effective way to clarify that this is the successor.
DLSS can't do that much magic if there's no headroomDLSS:
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Yeah personally I see two possible outcomes. Them being straightforward and naming it Nintendo Switch Two or giving it an new Name but keeping a similar style and marketing to the Switch (having a simple icon and keeping the 'play any game anywhere at any time' slogan to some extend)
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Switch Aerial Rebuild or Switch Barbatos Lupus Rex
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Now that you mention about Links Awakening DX, hmm true it's a hard one, but I also can't see no Zelda in the first 2 years of the NG, so let's wait and see
What would make sense to me would be a BOTW plus (or just) TOTK 4K edition for the successor, including all previous DLCs with maybe some QoL improvements and Sword Trials or similar for TOTK
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We're not disagreeing here. Marketability and differentiation are key. Even the GBA differentiated itself in branding, features, and accessories, like the eReader, wireless multiplayer, GameCube connectivity, all tied to how more 'advanced' it was. The SNES especially with the excessive 'Super' naming in its games and even the ability to play Game Boy games, aptly named Super Game Boy. I just expect the Switch name to be there somewhere representing the core thesis of the console, and everything else like the logo, colors, console body, controls, dock, OS, box art to get a shakeup. Switch of Theseus.
To throw something out there, they could call it Switch Infinite and emphasize the infinite ways to play, including AR. I'm sure this is on their brainstorming spreadsheet somewhere.
The Game Boy Color existed but there was still a Game Boy Advance. What ultimately matters is the intensity of the name. Names like 'Color', 'Lite', 'OLED' don't indicate 'way more powerful' or 'next-gen' at all (and neither does Focus).
dsm
King of the Cosmos
And will that be clear enough for consumers in general? Maybe, maybe not...
Shoulder
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Keep it simple and to the point, Nintendo.
Following the rule of K.I.S.S. has served me well anyway.
Then the SWiitch name is inbound then. Why? Because it’s SWiit!
Shamelessly dropping my DS flipgrip + joycon concept from a few months back
The idea was adding a mic function to the the R joy-con since the Switch itself doesn't have one
Haven't made one for the 3DS but I can see a future where DS comes to Switch + Successor and 3DS is exclusive to successor (especially if the new console has a camera built in). Does anyone think 3DS games could be rendered in at least 2x resolution?
With proper integer scaling, 3DS/DS games should be fine.
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Nintendo has actually been ready to launch the NG Switch. They have tons of units ready for assembly and everything. Many games completed ready for the launch window.
The only reason they haven’t announced or launched yet… they haven’t decided on a name for it yet. They’ve been combing this message board for months hoping to stumble upon a good name.
Alas, nothing yet.
And until then, we aren’t getting the NG Switch…
The only reason they haven’t announced or launched yet… they haven’t decided on a name for it yet. They’ve been combing this message board for months hoping to stumble upon a good name.
Alas, nothing yet.
And until then, we aren’t getting the NG Switch…
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Random asshole of the month huh. I can't believe I went back and scrolled through the pages.
To be fair, they don't know the culture of this site and community. The rules are listed, but It's not gamefaqs (I like gamefaqs). Are they perma banned? I think we should give them a second chance after 30 days otherwise.
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dsm
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You are right, but to me for example "Advance" can mean also "Pro" and not necessarily a next gen. I think the way Sony does it is way clearer (even if more "boring")
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Switch Infinity sounds extremely awesome, and distinct enough that the average person would be able to tell its a new console right off the bat. Also it elaborates on the fact that where would be new "infinite" ways to play.
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If the next system isn't named Switch 2 then I hope that Nintendo ditches the "Switch" part in general tbh. I think they could find a new name that still focuses on the hybrid concept, like:
Nintendo Blend,
Nintendo Flow,
Nintendo Mix,
Nintendo Shift (lol),
Nintendo Span,
Nintendo Vast,
Nintendo Veer,
Nintendo Voyage,
Nintendo Zig,
or Nintendo Zag
But the name talk makes me wonder: if Nintendo wants to continue with hybrid gaming but doesn't go with a numbered naming scheme for the Switch, could the name "Switch" damage their brand reputation in the long-term? Like another "there's no such thing as 'a Nintendo'" situation, but now the general public calls anything Nintendo a "Nintendo Switch"?
It'd kinda suck for Nintendo if people start thinking of the Wii as the "Nintendo Switch Wii," or say that the sequel to the Mario movie is made by "Nintendo Switch." Is there a risk that that future could happen? Unlike a lot of other companies (and Nintendo in previous generations), Nintendo wouldn't have the benefit of selling two different lines of products to separate the product name from the company name.
Nintendo Blend,
Nintendo Flow,
Nintendo Mix,
Nintendo Shift (lol),
Nintendo Span,
Nintendo Vast,
Nintendo Veer,
Nintendo Voyage,
Nintendo Zig,
or Nintendo Zag
But the name talk makes me wonder: if Nintendo wants to continue with hybrid gaming but doesn't go with a numbered naming scheme for the Switch, could the name "Switch" damage their brand reputation in the long-term? Like another "there's no such thing as 'a Nintendo'" situation, but now the general public calls anything Nintendo a "Nintendo Switch"?
It'd kinda suck for Nintendo if people start thinking of the Wii as the "Nintendo Switch Wii," or say that the sequel to the Mario movie is made by "Nintendo Switch." Is there a risk that that future could happen? Unlike a lot of other companies (and Nintendo in previous generations), Nintendo wouldn't have the benefit of selling two different lines of products to separate the product name from the company name.
Shoulder
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Speaking of this naming talk with Switch 2, Nintendo has used all different kinds of ways for new names whether to introduce a new hardware feature, a non-numerical way of denoting a sequel, or whatever the Wii U naming scheme was.
But even now we have the Switch, the Switch Lite, and now the Switch OLED. OLED appears to communicate well with consumers, so wonder if say Switch 4K, or Switch Ultra HD could work.
Though admittedly, Switch Ultra does sound kinda cool.
But even now we have the Switch, the Switch Lite, and now the Switch OLED. OLED appears to communicate well with consumers, so wonder if say Switch 4K, or Switch Ultra HD could work.
Though admittedly, Switch Ultra does sound kinda cool.
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People weren't confused about the Wii U just because of the name. They were confused because of the marketing and messaging that came with the name. The ads that didn't show the console itself, that didn't talk about games now being in HD, that didn't make any attempt to say it's a break from the Wii in any way.
And a lot of that was intentional on their part, they thought people wanted "more Wii" so they intentionally kinda blurred the lines between successor and peripheral in the marketing. The problem was by the time it launched people really didn't want "more Wii" and there was nothing independently compelling to most consumers beyond that.
And a lot of that was intentional on their part, they thought people wanted "more Wii" so they intentionally kinda blurred the lines between successor and peripheral in the marketing. The problem was by the time it launched people really didn't want "more Wii" and there was nothing independently compelling to most consumers beyond that.
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While I agree with that I just think that the name of the console would starting to get to long because of the inclusion of 'Nintendo' (something the Gameboy or GBA didn’t need). Especially in a few years when the Nintendo Switch Advanced OLED Model would come out I think the readability would get a bit hard. Nintendo Switch 2 [Insert Model] sounds way more clear to me. I mean you can see that with the 3DS where they decided just to ad a number too and I think it worked.
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Nintendo Switch Advanced
Giancarlo
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we only know Switch sucessor gonna be a better hybrid, no rumours/leaks for the console didnt point up what gimmick the console is gonna have,
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I mean, in the case of 3DS it was literally describing the console's defining feature. It just also happened to be a pun that played off the previous console's name.
I'm not sure how much the length of the product name enters into Nintendo's calculus. I don't mean that dismissively, I literally have no idea whether that would be something under consideration.
dsm
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New Super Nintendo Switch Advanced Ultra 64 OLED Model V2
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Yeah I think the could have been successful with the WiiU name if they would have drawn a clearer line to the Wii in form of visual language and marketing.
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Fun fact, that really was one of the internally suggested names for the Switch when they were deciding the final one.
Counterpoint: they've announced them in the spanish tweets.
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Me neither. I just think that because having worked/still partially working in Marketing at least from my experience the longer the name of your product the harder it gets. Not necessarily that it gets less recognisable but like to create visuals, merch, UI or something as simple as how much space can I use for the name of the Smartphone App (which Nintendo is already at the limit with Nintendo Switch Online on iOS for example).
Maybe they will have a smart pun with a number, letter, or short word or they will come up with a new abbreviation they will keep using alongside (NSA for Nintendo Switch Advance lol), but I don‘t see them just having a too long extra word if they keep the Switch name.
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If they go with a name like Super and Advance then they would have to put in the effort to emphasize it's a next-gen console. When the Super NES came out I don't think it was immediately clear it was the 'next' NES by the name alone. They redesigned every part of the console and showcased exclusive games to make it obvious it wasn't just an NES Pro. Same with the GBA. The Wii U had a bad name but it also had bad marketing that didn't do much of any of this.
Regardless of whether it's called Switch 2 or Switch Advance they're going to end up differentiating it. If they go with the 'Advanced' name they're not going to just refer to power. They're going to use it to refer to everything being better - 'advanced haptics', 'advanced controls' etc.
I don't think there is any risk of this. I think it's pretty clear in everyday speech that the 'Switch' is referring to a specific tablet device. Every handheld PC coming out as been referred to as 'Switch-like'. In fact I rarely hear 'Nintendo' whenever someone refers to a Switch. Probably because we're already used to components like light switches, already a part of our shared vocabulary. Which is why I think the name is particularly good and why none of those name suggestions work as well. We know what a 'switch' is and what it means 'to switch'. It's snappy, single syllable, and clear.
And I doubt the Switch will be the only piece of hardware Nintendo makes in the future anyway. There will be a Nintendo ____ even if it is sold alongside a Switch 4 or whatever.
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lol typo made me smile
P4bl0
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Yup and nothing indicates it's limited in time, it just feels like a new permanent product on the Switch line. Limited to 3 units per customer while the Special Editions like Mario and Zelda are 1 per customer. This is strange
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I try to avoid the naming discussions, as they tend to just go around in circles, but to those who think Switch 2 isn't "imaginative" enough for Nintendo, do you remember that the last hardware they launched was a Switch model with an OLED screen and they called it 'Nintendo Switch - OLED Model'? Nintendo's leadership team has changed a lot over the years, and there's no reason to believe that the current leadership want to adopt the same "imaginative" naming schemes that Yamauchi or Iwata did ten or twenty years ago. If anything, the naming of the Switch, Switch Lite and Switch - OLED Model suggests they prefer clear, descriptive naming.
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Whimsy is fun, but Apple's approach to leaving the whimsy in the color names is a sound approach.
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Counterpoint: It's for their own store in which case, saying the price is totally fine because that's what the price on My Nintendo Store is.
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While I do hope the next console is called Switch 2 or something else straightforward I don't think the Wii U situation could happen again here. The markets for the Wii and the Switch are completely different, yes the Switch has sold more and yes the Switch also has casual players but "Wii" became a household name known by those who don't even play games, "Switch" has not become that in the same way. Plus as mentioned there were more factors than the naming that caused the Wii U to fail anyway, the naming didn't contribute to that as much as people make it out to be. Like a whole lot of factors that if someone were to go in depth on in a post here it would probably be 5 screens long worth of text.
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Yes, but those are also just new entries in an existing product lines, not genuine successors. In the case of those products they want people to know that they're all Nintendo Switches first and foremost.
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Next HW can also be called Switch - 2nd Generation Model
I think people will understand quickly.
I think people will understand quickly.
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I mean, NSA/no strings attached...can play anywhere, pick up and go, tabletop mode...it works.
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But that's exactly my point. When naming the OLED model they chose a name that makes it extremely clear that it's a variant of the existing Switch with an OLED screen. When naming their next generation hardware by the same logic we should expect them to choose a name that makes it extremely clear that it's a next generation Switch. I haven't read a single good suggestion other than Switch 2 which does that.
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This honestly feels more likely than Switch 2.
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Orin - 8nm
Thor - 5nm (probably)
Drake - also 5nm (probably)
I hate to burst your bubble, but Thor won't be portable - it'll be larger than a RTX 4090. Drake already represents the small version of the tech in Thor.
You can see the leap from PS4 to Drake (a "portable" PS4) was bigger than the leap from PS4 to PS5 - and a similarly sized leap isn't on the roadmap at all.
But as you originally said "we must be hitting the limit for node shrinks" and we kinda are. But Ada doesn't have any TFLOP's that Drake doesn't have. Drake uses all of Ada's power saving tech. Drake remains the best bang-for-watt technology out there.
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The 'model' naming for OLED was fine as it's treated as a variant / drop-in replacement for the existing Switch, a simple screen upgrade with no promise of additional power or new games. It didn't need to fit on a logo or game boxart. This won't work for a new console where you should immediately be able to tell what it is and what the exclusive games are.
If you look at the boxes for the Game Boy Advance, SNES, Super Game Boy 2, and 3DS - the 'Super', 'Advance', '2', and '3' are all either highlighted or emphasized in massive font. Funnily the opposite of the Wii U box where the 'Wii' was bigger and more prominent than the 'U', making it still unclear if it was a Wii accessory.
(Ironically the Super Game Boy 2 was basically a small revision that couldn't even play GBC games. I included it here as a branding example.)
If you look at the boxes for the Game Boy Advance, SNES, Super Game Boy 2, and 3DS - the 'Super', 'Advance', '2', and '3' are all either highlighted or emphasized in massive font. Funnily the opposite of the Wii U box where the 'Wii' was bigger and more prominent than the 'U', making it still unclear if it was a Wii accessory.
(Ironically the Super Game Boy 2 was basically a small revision that couldn't even play GBC games. I included it here as a branding example.)
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ShaunSwitch
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Along these lines they could call it the Nintendo 8, but abbreviate it N-8, pronounce it N-ate, powered by Drake.
Wait, hold on a minute, maybe Redacted was the insider friend we made along the way?
ShaunSwitch
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In addition to your points, this approach allows Nintendo to continue selling it's variants as Nintendo Switch 2 Lite, Nintendo Switch 2 OLED model etc without any confusion as to which generation they belong to.
IMO you are correct with the simple numbered naming.
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People weren't confused about the Wii U because of the name. There were a lot of reasons, but the biggest in my opinion was the reveal. The video essentially didn't show the console at all, which lead people to believe the product was the controller itself. Additionally, it was announced about 18 months out from launch, which meant that Nintendo couldn't show too much, or talk too much about it. That left a lot of room for people to speculate.
Something else to add. Yes there was some confusion around what the system was exactly, at least before launch. But that is not what made the Wii U a failure. The reason the Wii U failed is because of the system itself. Calling it the Wii 2 would not have changed a thing.
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