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be careful what you wish forTime for a new Mario or DK or both (one game featuring both like the movie).
Mario vs Donkey Kong 6, 29,99€ eShop exclusive, only title Nintendo have in stores for the holidays
be careful what you wish forTime for a new Mario or DK or both (one game featuring both like the movie).
It's possible. My thinking is twofold:It could launch with both within the launch window – a single-player game and a multiplayer-focused game, an E-rated game and a T-rated game. That’s pretty much exactly what the Switch did – launch with Zelda and then follow it up with Mario Kart the following month.
It's possible. My thinking is twofold:
-Even if this game inevitably reuses a lot of assets from Ultimate, it will still take a minimum of 3 years to make, probably closer to 4 with what we can expect from Switch 2 specs. So even if pre-production started in late 2021, that is a tight window.
-Sakurai is currently making goofy YouTube videos on a daily basis, which does not strike me as something you have time to do when you're deep into development on a major flagship video game. Now, obviously Sakurai might not be director, he might be in a different role, or somehow not be on the game at all. But knowing how he is with the series, I would be very surprised if he's not involved in the next Smash at all.
With all of this it's really hard for me to picture a 2024 Smash game. Even 2025 seems a little optimistic to me. The only scenario I think it would happen is if it's just Super Smash Ultimate Turbo. But I think Smash is too valuable as an IP for Nintendo to be happy with just a dressed up rerelease, especially when Switch 2 will likely be BC. I expect it to be another new game, even if it's just an iterative one.
Just to make sure, I'm not saying it won't hinder some devs and that it will have all the third party support in the world, but you realize even if there's a PS5 Pro devs still will have to launch versions for the regular PS5, and even the Series S, right?I really hope that they're not aiming for a November 2024 release at this point... I don't think they can last out that long with the current Switch.
Also PS5 Pro will be launching at around that time and they're gonna get crushed by it as developers move their rendering targets once again. They had better be scrapping the current "Drake" model and moving onto Lovelace-based NVidia hardware, because that the current Ampere-based Drake isn't gonna cut it when developers move onto PS5 Pro.
Just to make sure, I'm not saying it won't hinder some devs and that it will have all the third party support in the world, but you realize even if there's a PS5 Pro devs still will have to launch versions for the regular PS5, and even the Series S, right?
n i n t e n d o g sThe other, even more interesting aspect is: what about the genuinely new stuff, or the deep cut reboots or revivals of IP? Nintendo still took a bunch of risks in the first 2 to 3 years of Switch: 1-2 Switch, Labo, Ring Fit, ARMS, Sushi Striker and Astral Chain all landed within the first 3 years.
As I said, I'm not saying it will not hinder, make harder or anything, Switch 2 will no doubt have to be a couple of steps back even from Series S, unless Nintendo wants to release a $800 (or something like that) hybrid console.Of course, but it'll be yet another excuse for developers and publishers to handwave the platform away for "not being powerful enough".
Truth be told, any current game could be downported to Switch if the developer and publisher incentive was there. The point is that Nintendo need to give enough incentive to push 3rd parties to make those ports and stop making excuses to avoid their platforms.
As a bit of a tangent, the new Pro consoles will also probably mark the end of 60FPS on the current base consoles; as they start targetting 30FPS as standard and the 60FPS modes become Pro console exclusive features... which makes Switch 2 ports all the harder.
Yeah, Nintendogs is one I expect to come back assuming the hardware has the features for it; but I also wonder if that's best saved for slightly later into the system's life, when the audience is bigger and you've not primarily sold to enthusiasts. I think Nintendogs had a better immediate shot at success on DS because DS was a very affordable device from day one. The Switch successor is likely going to be even higher in price than OLED, and very likely difficult to find in the first year; I'm not convinced Nintendogs would hit the target audience in those circumstances.n i n t e n d o g s
I would be pretty surprised if the new Switch didn’t have cameras and a mic array amongst its new features.
I think that’d make a great “Wave 2” game a few months after launch, maybe around Golden Week like the original. (In this case it’d release almost exactly 20 years after the original, in fact. Now excuse me while I crumble into dust.)
That’s true, we know Nintendogs wasn’t the game that got everybody to run out and buy $250 3DSes. It probably is more of an Animal Crossing/Pokémon-style “release this after the Switch 2 Lite” thing.Yeah, Nintendogs is one I expect to come back assuming the hardware has the features for it; but I also wonder if that's best saved for slightly later into the system's life, when the audience is bigger and you've not primarily sold to enthusiasts. I think Nintendogs had a better immediate shot at success on DS because DS was a very affordable device from day one. The Switch successor is likely going to be even higher in price than OLED, and very likely difficult to find in the first year; I'm not convinced Nintendogs would hit the target audience in those circumstances.
So you want them to scrap the current design and go for a even more powerful one because of PS5 Pro/Series X2? You know that's basically asking for a 2025/2026 release, right? These things, they take time.I really hope that they're not aiming for a November 2024 release at this point... I don't think they can last out that long with the current Switch.
Also PS5 Pro will be launching at around that time and they're gonna get crushed by it as developers move their rendering targets once again. They had better be scrapping the current "Drake" model and moving onto Lovelace-based NVidia hardware, because that the current Ampere-based Drake isn't gonna cut it when developers move onto PS5 Pro.
Thems the perils of waiting too long to release a successor. Now you have to deal with not just the PS5 & Series X, but their enhanced Pro versions too!
Expect disappointment and you'll never be disappointed
And nobody will want to hang out with you or talk to you because ur no fun
Neither of y'all are wrong. I took the time to reflect and yeah the news of this thread definitely brought out the worst of me, and I apologize.I have a "friend" with this mindset and he’s never pleasantly surprised. I hope it works for you though.
I'd like to mention that I didn't mean to specifically target you with my comment, as I had just hopped into the thread and read some commentary about pessimism in general and was responding to that. If I have something to say about someone, I @ them. So I apologize for implying nobody wants to hang out with you... funnily enough you're one of the people on this website I feel like could hang.Yes I'm frustrated with lack of news surrounding this hardware, and the way I responded was more dramatic than necessary. It's gonna be expensive, it's gonna be a shitshow trying to get one, and that manifested poorly when I'm still gonna be making every effort to get one at launch (unless it's more than $450 USD because I need long term reviews to know it had some actual build quality control unlike the current joycons).
No need to apologize. I think you're absolutely right about these worries because that's just the state of hardware these days. My point was more that it's not really worth it to get disappointed or worked up in advance over something we have very limited information on. If it turns out to be true you're just going to be disappointed again later, even if you're right. But maybe that's just me.Neither of y'all are wrong. I took the time to reflect and yeah the news of this thread definitely brought out the worst of me, and I apologize.
Yes I'm frustrated with lack of news surrounding this hardware, and the way I responded was more dramatic than necessary. It's gonna be expensive, it's gonna be a shitshow trying to get one, and that manifested poorly when I'm still gonna be making every effort to get one at launch (unless it's more than $450 USD because I need long term reviews to know it had some actual build quality control unlike the current joycons).
I just hope this wait results in a device that's worthwhile
Water under the bridge, and the feeling is mutual Still, it's something I do want to work on myself rather than giving in to base instinct over expecting disappointment from Nintendo.I'd like to mention that I didn't mean to specifically target you with my comment, as I had just hopped into the thread and read some commentary about pessimism in general and was responding to that. If I have something to say about someone, I @ them. So I apologize for implying nobody wants to hang out with you... funnily enough you're one of the people on this website I feel like could hang.
Regardless, nothing you said above is wrong.... unfortunately it is going to be more expensive, it is going to be a shitshow trying to get one, and it won't be up to par with modern "next-gen" hardware and we'll be salivating over finally playing Nintendo games at a base PS4 level (which, let's face it, still sounds too good to be true).
All I want is for games to continue chasing their current vision and scope without all the framedrops and low resolutions... and a Dark Souls 3 / Bloodborne port...
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You're absolutely right, and truthfully ever since I heard that phrase back in high school I kinda hated how much it resonated with me (which is probably some base symptom of anxiety that's undiagnosed lol). Yeah, developing and maintaining a console is difficult and I suppose there's just as much worry on the consumer side that we're buying something that will have longterm support as it is a platform holder that people want to buy your compelling product. But, there's only a certain amount of worry that's needed for the future when there's plenty in the present that needs our attention and focus (like new Zelda) hahaNo need to apologize. I think you're absolutely right about these worries because that's just the state of hardware these days. My point was more that it's not really worth it to get disappointed or worked up in advance over something we have very limited information on. If it turns out to be true you're just going to be disappointed again later, even if you're right. But maybe that's just me.
I wouldn't worry about developers moving into Ps5 Pro; the support that Ps4 Pro got was more of an afterthought than anything.I really hope that they're not aiming for a November 2024 release at this point... I don't think they can last out that long with the current Switch.
Also PS5 Pro will be launching at around that time and they're gonna get crushed by it as developers move their rendering targets once again. They had better be scrapping the current "Drake" model and moving onto Lovelace-based NVidia hardware, because that the current Ampere-based Drake isn't gonna cut it when developers move onto PS5 Pro.
Thems the perils of waiting too long to release a successor. Now you have to deal with not just the PS5 & Series X, but their enhanced Pro versions too!
Uh huh. Whatever you say.That is exactly what will happen. There's nowhere else for the series to go now, they can't possibly make a satisfactory sequel to a game that essentially spent 9 years in development. It's impossible.
You will get Super Smash Bros Ultimate Special (with the missing stages added back in and the game now running in 4K), and you will like it.
A few years later, you'll get Super Smash Bros Melee HD (gameplay & visuals mostly unchanged, except now running in 4K and with online play & new options/features aimed at TOs and competitive players), designed to appeal to the eSports/FGC crowd. And that's it for Smash.
It's the only reasonable path forward.
Nah, I'm pretty much done with the 4/ultimate era of smash. Played that way too much and I want something new and fresh. I don't care if it has a smaller roster or less stages. Give me something with new ideas and mechanics. Ultimate isn't going anywhere, this just sounds like the attitude the melee people have who don't want anything but melee.That is exactly what will happen. There's nowhere else for the series to go now, they can't possibly make a satisfactory sequel to a game that essentially spent 9 years in development. It's impossible.
You will get Super Smash Bros Ultimate Special (with the missing stages added back in and the game now running in 4K), and you will like it.
A few years later, you'll get Super Smash Bros Melee HD (gameplay & visuals mostly unchanged, except now running in 4K and with online play & new options/features aimed at TOs and competitive players), designed to appeal to the eSports/FGC crowd. And that's it for Smash.
It's the only reasonable path forward.
I'm right there with you. I want a smaller roster with more love given to other things. Also, please fix some of the movesets for older characters haha.Nah, I'm pretty much done with the 4/ultimate era of smash. Played that way too much and I want something new and fresh. I don't care if it has a smaller roster or less stages. Give me something with new ideas and mechanics. Ultimate isn't going anywhere, this just sounds like the attitude the melee people have who don't want anything but melee.
Speaking of that theybarent doing melee hd, lol. They don't give a fuck about the melee community/tos/competitive scene nor should they. Even if they did the melee people would turn their noses up at it anyway and stick with their gamecubes/wiis running a pirated copy of melee hooked up to an aging crt.
No matter how faithful of a port Nintendo did the melee people would find some reason to dismiss it, they aren't changing anything about their setups.
A rerelease would be weird, why would a casual get it when they already have ultimate? Nobody is paying 70$ for a couple new chaI'm right there with you. I want a smaller roster with more love given to other things. Also, please fix some of the movesets for older characters haha.
I know people are going to be pressed if the roster is cut to 40-50 but it is what it is. And there are still plenty of new characters that can be added to bring up the hype for every direct Nintendo has lol.
The difference is Melee didn't sell 30 million copiesNah, I'm pretty much done with the 4/ultimate era of smash. Played that way too much and I want something new and fresh. I don't care if it has a smaller roster or less stages. Give me something with new ideas and mechanics. Ultimate isn't going anywhere, this just sounds like the attitude the melee people have who don't want anything but melee.
Speaking of that theybarent doing melee hd, lol. They don't give a fuck about the melee community/tos/competitive scene nor should they. Even if they did the melee people would turn their noses up at it anyway and stick with their gamecubes/wiis running a pirated copy of melee hooked up to an aging crt.
No matter how faithful of a port Nintendo did the melee people would find some reason to dismiss it, they aren't changing anything about their setups.
Melee players (tournament players at least) just want a straight HD port. We just want to play in an HD TV/ Monitor that has a very similar response to a CRT. We already have some setups with adapters and Software mods, but the Melee community would love a faithful port to finally ditch CRTs.Nah, I'm pretty much done with the 4/ultimate era of smash. Played that way too much and I want something new and fresh. I don't care if it has a smaller roster or less stages. Give me something with new ideas and mechanics. Ultimate isn't going anywhere, this just sounds like the attitude the melee people have who don't want anything but melee.
Speaking of that theybarent doing melee hd, lol. They don't give a fuck about the melee community/tos/competitive scene nor should they. Even if they did the melee people would turn their noses up at it anyway and stick with their gamecubes/wiis running a pirated copy of melee hooked up to an aging crt.
No matter how faithful of a port Nintendo did the melee people would find some reason to dismiss it, they aren't changing anything about their setups.
Best you're getting is emulated Melee.Melee players (tournament players at least) just want a straight HD port. We just want to play in an HD TV/ Monitor that has a very similar response to a CRT. We already have some setups with adapters and Software mods, but the Melee community would love a faithful port to finally ditch CRTs.
About online, the Melee community will complain when its not up their standards but then return to Slippi to play online. But the important thing is having Melee with no lag in HD for tournaments (without mods or adapters). It would open more monitor support from some sponsors.
I would not mind a new mode with a rebalanced roster/meta, but still keep the "Normal" Melee mode.
I don't think I said anything about a rerelease game or old characters as DLC. I wouldn't want that to be honest.A rerelease would be weird, why would a casual get it when they already have ultimate? Nobody is paying 70$ for a couple new cha
Rafters, if they realese the new characters as dlc for the old one then what’s even the point?
And smash fans would defintly not want ultimate but again, the latter dlc characters were Bassicaly bombs to the community, (Steve and kazuya) the fanbase is ready to move on at this point.
Making a game with like 60 characters but an actual story mode and other features would probably be smarter, for a series loaded with other features modes and general goodies smash ultimate had nothing.
I'd love to see new movesets. Mario needs his redone entirely, but most characters could stand to have their movesets revamped, so many new games have come about and could be better implemented. I'd also love to see things like the meter for final smashes implemented properly and for characters to have that as a regular ability. I'm sure there are other things that can be done to make the series feel new and exciting again that someone more creative than me can come up with.I'm right there with you. I want a smaller roster with more love given to other things. Also, please fix some of the movesets for older characters haha.
I know people are going to be pressed if the roster is cut to 40-50 but it is what it is. And there are still plenty of new characters that can be added to bring up the hype for every direct Nintendo has lol.
Even a really good solid port I don't truly believe would move the needle. There would be something that most melee players would object to. Some of the games glitches might not work anymore, the game might have a tiny bit more lag, etc.Melee players (tournament players at least) just want a straight HD port. We just want to play in an HD TV/ Monitor that has a very similar response to a CRT. We already have some setups with adapters and Software mods, but the Melee community would love a faithful port to finally ditch CRTs.
About online, the Melee community will complain when its not up their standards but then return to Slippi to play online. But the important thing is having Melee with no lag in HD for tournaments (without mods or adapters). It would open more monitor support from some sponsors.
I would not mind a new mode with a rebalanced roster/meta, but still keep the "Normal" Melee mode.
As a Mario main I agree. His moveset is pretty bad compared to so many of the in-depth ones that we saw in Ultimate. I'm not saying Mario should be complicated but Fludd? Come on now.I'd love to see new movesets. Mario needs his redone entirely, but most characters could stand to have their movesets revamped, so many new games have come about and could be better implemented. I'd also love to see things like the meter for final smashes implemented properly and for characters to have that as a regular ability. I'm sure there are other things that can be done to make the series feel new and exciting again that someone more creative than me can come up with.
I'd also like to see the next game focus more on newcomers. It would be really incredible for the reveal trailer to have a few indie game characters make their debuts, like having Shovel Knight, Shantae, and Cuphead all in the reveal trailer would be cool.
Even a really good solid port I don't truly believe would move the needle. There would be something that most melee players would object to. Some of the games glitches might not work anymore, the game might have a tiny bit more lag, etc.
If the game retains advanced techniques, then it should be fine (99% of the them are results of the physics engine, not glitches).Even a really good solid port I don't truly believe would move the needle. There would be something that most melee players would object to. Some of the games glitches might not work anymore, the game might have a tiny bit more lag, etc.
Hahaha yeah, probablyBest you're getting is emulated Melee.
Honestly I think emulated Melee is probably closer to what the competitive community would actually want than any actual port would be anyway.Hahaha yeah, probably
I hope even on NSO, the experience (lag, response time) can be CRT like
HAL Labs is breathing a sigh of relief that there’s still time for one more Kirby game for the system to go out on
This is what cracks me up. You'd think with how rampant Switch emulation and games leaking and being pirated early are, Nintendo would want to end this generation asap to move on to something that wasn't already picked to the nine by the home brew community and pc emulation community."Why do we even need new hardware when I can just emulate Switch games at 4K60?"
This statement isn't from Nintendo, so no.Is this the most definitive statement we’ve had from Nintendo on their next gen console?
pirating doesnt really have an effect on sales, its mostly nerds online trying to own nintendo.This is what cracks me up. You'd think with how rampant Switch emulation and games leaking and being pirated early are, Nintendo would want to end this generation asap to move on to something that wasn't already picked to the nine by the home brew community and pc emulation community.
Despite this - which isn't anything new, 2021 Dread was being even reported by Kotaku to be emulated, but there was Switch functional emulation way earlier - they've just released a Pokemon game that sold 21m units in 6 weeks, BotW(which was the "prime emulated game" on CEMU) sold 30m, TotK is gonna sell at the very least 20m at 70$.This is what cracks me up. You'd think with how rampant Switch emulation and games leaking and being pirated early are, Nintendo would want to end this generation asap to move on to something that wasn't already picked to the nine by the home brew community and pc emulation community.
The supposed information is from an anonymous source, not Nintendo, and even by rumor standards it kinda raises an eyebrow that this is being reported out of Nikkei Asia instead of Nikkei Japan. The only thing Nintendo has really committed to is that it's not factored into their current forecasts, which is a pretty narrow denial.Is this the most definitive statement we’ve had from Nintendo on their next gen console?
Exactly. I saw a Brazilian Youtuber saying "after playing BotW on 'Switch Pro'(emulator), I can't afford Nintendo having just this 1080p games. Also price blanks".pirating doesnt really have an effect on sales, its mostly nerds online trying to own nintendo.
Exactly. I saw a Brazilian Youtuber saying "after playing BotW on 'Switch Pro'(emulator), I can't afford Nintendo having just this 1080p games. Also price blanks".
And I was like "yes honey living outside the country and with more money than literally 99% of your country, your followers that had to save money for years to get a Switch lite definitely agree it's a bummer they can't play TotK on a 10 thousand dollar PC like yours ".
I just get bummed with stuff like this because it's always the same discourses, mainly in Brazilian Twitter. Nintendo fanboys bummed there's no Switch 2, which clearly should have released last year, and other companies fanboys acting like every single next gen game looks like Horizon Forbidden West and Switch is a PS2 like and Nintendo is a mercenary (I mean which multimillionaire company isn't??) and deserves piracy for it... While they buy their FIFA's and CoDs for 70$ every year. But I am fool for just not wanting to fuck my console in order to homebrew or I have the bad choice of being born in a poor family that can't afford me getting a modern PC to emulate.
Sorry for the rant I'm just sick of Nintendo haters and mainstream streamers that know nothing of Nintendo saying the worst gores you can think one might say.
"Playing BOTW on emulator and living outside the country" Was it Funky that said that? Lmao if so
JESUS CHRIST YOU GOT IT LMAO
Yes, it was exactly him lol
There are so many bad takes on Nintendo from him I can't even list all
I think both Nikkei and Nikkei Asia keep most articles behind subscriptions, so I'm not sure you'd be able to confirm what Nikkei proper has. I'm pretty sure Asia is intended for international audiences, so one would assume the same info is being reported on the main Nikkei articles as well. What's being said tracks with comments from others, and I see that David Gibson retweeted it, so it probably has merit.The supposed information is from an anonymous source, not Nintendo, and even by rumor standards it kinda raises an eyebrow that this is being reported out of Nikkei Asia instead of Nikkei Japan. The only thing Nintendo has really committed to is that it's not factored into their current forecasts, which is a pretty narrow denial.