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Xbox Xbox is failing so horribly, its kind of unbelievable

You know what else was a terrible choice?

The Series S. An absolute albatross of a console that's been doing nothing other than warming store shelves and holding back their devs, and possibly third party ones too, considering a number have complained about it.
 
robertman2 said:
You know what else was a terrible choice?

The Series S. An absolute albatross of a console that's been doing nothing other than warming store shelves and holding back their devs, and possibly third party ones too, considering a number have complained about it.
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It's the best way to play this gen of consoles for a lot of people, especially during the first two years of their existence when you couldn't buy them.
 
I’m way too old to argue with someone about what box they play on, but as someone who got a Series X on day one and am a GPU subscriber, Phil just kind of throwing up his hands and saying wait for Starfield isn’t exactly a great message.
 
robertman2 said:
You know what else was a terrible choice?

The Series S. An absolute albatross of a console that's been doing nothing other than warming store shelves and holding back their devs, and possibly third party ones too, considering a number have complained about it.
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Dont agree at all. I have a high end PC, switch, PS5, and a series S. I can certainly afford a series X but i dont need it. I play mostly sports games with friends on the S. Thats just my use case. There is a whole market of people who cant afford $500 but can afford $300. They get to experience these games these new games (obviously there hasn't been alot) because they got the series s.

If PS5 offered a cheaper version id buy that as well. Maybe its just because i'm more of a Nintendo/pc gamer but i like them offering a cheaper console.
 
anderson64 said:
I’m way too old to argue with someone about what box they play on, but as someone who got a Series X on day one and am a GPU subscriber, Phil just kind of throwing up his hands and saying wait for Starfield isn’t exactly a great message.
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Yeah, cool he whipped himself on video but what does it change for us? I'm starting to regret buying series X day one. All I've been playing on the console were games from xbox one/360 or indies. I like indies, but for the love of God, I didn't buy "the most poweful console" to play pixel art games. I had so much hopes after the reveal trailer, but here we are 3 years after launch.

He sounded so defeatist at the end. He doesn't believe himself they can compete against sony and nintendo. Doesn't inspire confidence in me. I miss the good 360 days. Im starting to think this brand is not for me anymore. I dont care about subs and cloud, I just want quality games.
 
I am enjoying my series x very much personally but I usually play third party games on the console aside from gears and now bethesda i generally dont have much interest in the games by xbox game studios. plus i also have a bad history with sony fucking me over on multiple occasions so i have no interest in using a ps as my console for third party games
 
romanithegreat said:
I am enjoying my series x very much personally but I usually play third party games on the console aside from gears and now bethesda i generally dont have much interest in the games by xbox game studios. plus i also have a bad history with sony fucking me over on multiple occasions so i have no interest in using a ps as my console for third party games
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This is what I do, it's definitely my favorite way to play games that aren't on Switch. Great for trying out flavor of the month games that are usually on gamepass too.
 
I doubt MS will be able to get serious ground if Nintendo's next console comes out and is actually successful. They currently occupy the sort of middle of the road space between Sony and Nintendo which is helping them a lot, but even after two years the Series X is still fighting for 2nd place on charts.

I just can't see how MS gains any ground for Gamespass to grow at this rate, because Gamespass needs that uninterrupted momentum. And stuff like Redfall is not cutting it.
 
robertman2 said:
In theory, yes.

In practice, no one's buying the pieces of shit. They've been consistently in stock since mid-2021, and no one cares.
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I know more people with a Series S than with a Series X. In fact, i barely know anyone that owns a Series X.

I thought the reason why the Series S is readily available is because it wasn't affected by the chip shortage? I remember ready something like that.

Sure, it isn't selling enough as a whole, but the library just isn't there, and the parity with PC doesn't makes it any favor either.

Also, we're three years into the generation, and we've gone through a global pandemic and a crippling component shortage. For how long are we going to use remaining stock as a metric for success or failure?
 
I will say this about the S. I think its a good idea, but I think it should have launched later.

Often with these lower end machines with stripped down features, I think their value doesn't show until a system is late in its life and people know what to expect. I feel its easier to judge the worth of something like that then. I think about the 2DS or the Red Wii.

Reinhard Schneider said:
Not a good strategy if you ask me. A weak looking company doesn't give any cOnfidene.
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That's what the courts want to see. An excuse to make themselves look deserving of this acquisition. That they aren't the big bad corp who's going to monopolize everything. Thats not how you market to consumers, but to the courts.
 
Mekanos said:
Xbox can operate at a loss for a long time thanks to MS’s deep pockets, but I don’t know how much longer Phil has at the current rate.
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I imagine if the merger falls through, there are going to be some very awkward conversations behind closed doors. Especially if Starfield doesn't set the world on fire.
 
Mekanos said:
Xbox can operate at a loss for a long time thanks to MS’s deep pockets, but I don’t know how much longer Phil has at the current rate.
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I mean usually when a company has a division that is losing them money, it's doesn't wind up good for that division......
 
I've seen a lot of picking on the Series S, not just here, but I don't see how that is holding back Microsoft right now. The main issue is that Xbox Game Studios is not release solid content at a steady rate, and there are gaps in the release schedule. Is the Series S the reason for the delays in the pipeline? I know that some developers have voiced concerns about the capabilities of the system, but unless the Series S is holding back games like Starfield, Avowed, and others from releasing then I don't see how that is the problem right now for Xbox.
 
Reinhard Schneider said:
Not a good strategy if you ask me. A weak looking company doesn't give any confidence.
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As @Mer.Saloon said, it’s pandering to the courts, not the consumers. All things considered, they can tank a bit of PR loss much better than the failure of a 70 billion merger.

Hailinel said:
I imagine if the merger falls through, there are going to be some very awkward conversations behind closed doors. Especially if Starfield doesn't set the world on fire.
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A lot is definitely resting on Starfield right now.

Lugia667 said:
I mean usually when a company has a division that is losing them money, it's doesn't wind up good for that division......
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There’s no chance of MS scrapping Xbox for the foreseeable future. Gaming is one of the most lucrative businesses right now, any company that can afford it will be keeping their fingers in the pie.
 
Mekanos said:
Xbox can operate at a loss for a long time thanks to MS’s deep pockets, but I don’t know how much longer Phil has at the current rate.
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Yeah. The last guy who had a massive blunder in his hands (Peter Moore) left the company as soon as he unfucked the situation.
 
FeiFongWong said:
Yeah, cool he whipped himself on video but what does it change for us? I'm starting to regret buying series X day one. All I've been playing on the console were games from xbox one/360 or indies. I like indies, but for the love of God, I didn't buy "the most poweful console" to play pixel art games. I had so much hopes after the reveal trailer, but here we are 3 years after launch.

He sounded so defeatist at the end. He doesn't believe himself they can compete against sony and nintendo. Doesn't inspire confidence in me. I miss the good 360 days. Im starting to think this brand is not for me anymore. I dont care about subs and cloud, I just want quality games.
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Most of the folks I game with are on Xbox, so I’m kind of stuck. However, I’ll probably wait and see before renewing my GPU sub in September
 
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maybe i am missing something didn't ms post record revenue this past quarter for their xbox division? why all the hyperbole about the division operating at a loss? is there any proof of this beyond "they aren't releasing the first party games at the rate I like"
 
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robertman2 said:
You know what else was a terrible choice?

The Series S. An absolute albatross of a console that's been doing nothing other than warming store shelves and holding back their devs, and possibly third party ones too, considering a number have complained about it.
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I don't agree. $500 is a lot of money for a lot of people for a device that is primarily used for playing video games. The Series S brings in a lot of people who may want to play video games but also don't care about having a top-of-the-line rig.

More power =/= better games, and if more developers (and people) realized that then the Series S wouldn't be used as a scapegoat in online circles like this one.
 
I love the theory behind the series S, but they shouldn't have cheaped out on ram (although I realize it has to be cheap). The gpu is more than fine.
 
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I will say this, I have all three consoles. Ps5 collects the most dust followed by Xbox, while I play switch the most because of it’s hybrid nature.
 
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Hailinel said:
It's the big new Bethesda RPG that people are (likely unfairly) looking to become the next Skyrim.
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I see. I’ve never fancied that either so I’m probably not the best judge of how successful it will be
 
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The concept of the Series S, i.e a cheaper cut down device, probably made more sense like 20+ years ago when the majority gaming audience was still teens/kids, and relied on parents who had minimal/no gaming experience who would just buy them the cheapest thing. At this point you have several generations of gamers, with a massive swath who are now gaming adults who also buy for their kids/families, and they have the disposable income to just go get the better console for themselves and others, rather than the weird cut down version that no one actually wants. Coupled with companies like Apple having conditioned people to go buy premium electronics rather than settling for something less, I think the viability of cutdown console models is increasingly limited. Anyone who is really that price sensitive, is not going to be buying in the early years anyway. They are buyers down the lines at which point they can just get the regular model in discount anyway.

We already saw this concept be increasingly unsuccessful in recent years with Nintendo, where they've attempted it with the 2DS and Switch Lite, and neither lit the world on fire. So it's unsurprising that the Series S is basically a failure when it means playing the games at substantially worse performance.
 
Instro said:
The concept of the Series S, i.e a cheaper cut down device, probably made more sense like 20+ years ago when the majority gaming audience was still teens/kids, and relied on parents who had minimal/no gaming experience who would just buy them the cheapest thing. At this point you have several generations of gamers, with a massive swath who are now gaming adults who also buy for their kids/families, and they have the disposable income to just go get the better console for themselves and others, rather than the weird cut down version that no one actually wants. Coupled with companies like Apple having conditioned people to go buy premium electronics rather than settling for something less, I think the viability of cutdown console models is increasingly limited. Anyone who is really that price sensitive, is not going to be buying in the early years anyway. They are buyers down the lines at which point they can just get the regular model in discount anyway.

We already saw this concept be increasingly unsuccessful in recent years with Nintendo, where they've attempted it with the 2DS and Switch Lite, and neither lit the world on fire. So it's unsurprising that the Series S is basically a failure when it means playing the games at substantially worse performance.
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Again, I think the issue is mostly memory. It's 7,5 gb vs 13,5 usable on the series x with much less bandwidth. 6 gb difference.

Cpu is the same and most engines scale's extremely well with gpus of the same generation. If it had enough memory, devs wouldn't have had an issue with it.

And I do definitely think the idea of a scaled down console is a solid one. A lot of people don't really care that much about settings and resolution.
 
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I just have no interest in a machine to play GamePass, which is mostly what Xbox is nowadays. I'm not big on Sony first party games either but they at least offer exclusives games people want to play (going on PC nonwithstanding). I have a big enough backlog that GamePass holds no value for me and with everything going on Steam nowadays it feels more convenient that way. And obviously I love first party Nintendo games or I wouldn't be on this site writing this post.
 
Now I'm starting to think... When will Starfield launch for PS5? After this interview, I do think it's gonna happen.
Late 2024/early 2025 in my opinion, probably a definitive version with expansions and Creation Club content.
 
neil said:
How can Complex Space Game change things for Xbox? It looks pretty niche to me.
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This is a weird take. How can Serious Dad Game sell 20 million copies?
stodesign12 said:
Now I'm starting to think... When will Starfield launch for PS5? After this interview, I do think it's gonna happen.
Late 2024/early 2025 in my opinion, probably a definitive version with expansions and Creation Club content.
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Don't think it will, especially if the ABK acquisition is turned down.

Dardan Sandiego said:
i like series s because it smol
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If it didn't have 32MB of storage I would've picked it up instead of the X.
 
Phil looks like (to use a sports analogy) a head coach who's team has quit on him and knows he's going to be fired at any moment.

Nice to have such blunt honesty though, don't think I've ever seen a gaming exec just flat out say they're in a bad mood, lol.
 
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Instro said:
The concept of the Series S, i.e a cheaper cut down device, probably made more sense like 20+ years ago when the majority gaming audience was still teens/kids, and relied on parents who had minimal/no gaming experience who would just buy them the cheapest thing. At this point you have several generations of gamers, with a massive swath who are now gaming adults who also buy for their kids/families, and they have the disposable income to just go get the better console for themselves and others, rather than the weird cut down version that no one actually wants. Coupled with companies like Apple having conditioned people to go buy premium electronics rather than settling for something less, I think the viability of cutdown console models is increasingly limited. Anyone who is really that price sensitive, is not going to be buying in the early years anyway. They are buyers down the lines at which point they can just get the regular model in discount anyway.

We already saw this concept be increasingly unsuccessful in recent years with Nintendo, where they've attempted it with the 2DS and Switch Lite, and neither lit the world on fire. So it's unsurprising that the Series S is basically a failure when it means playing the games at substantially worse performance.
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So many citations needed.
 
I don't think Series S is that bad of an idea ... the concept was a 1080p machine for people who don't care about 4K, not necessarily a cheapo console for cheapo console's sake.

If you don't have a 4K TV at home, paying all that extra for a Series X actually is kind of stupid.
 
Ozeiyo said:
This is a weird take. How can Serious Dad Game sell 20 million copies?
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GoW is a fairly simple action game with a relatable story. Starfield looks complex and a bit cold. Like I said in my follow-up post though, I'm not going to be the best judge because Skyrim etc. have never appealed to me.
 
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Hailinel said:
As far as I'm aware, Starfield is Xbox/PC only.
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It is, but that's my point. After this interview, with Xbox aknowledging their defeat, I think this super high budget AAAA game won't want to lose the opportunity of being released for PS5.

In late 2024 or 2025, the PS5 market will become irresistible.
 
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Machrider said:
I don't think Series S is that bad of an idea ... the concept was a 1080p machine for people who don't care about 4K, not necessarily a cheapo console for cheapo console's sake.

If you don't have a 4K TV at home, paying all that extra for a Series X actually is kind of stupid.
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Great idea, somewhat lacking in execution. Evidenced by all the games lacking performance modes on Series S, which is definitely noticeable regardless of TV.
 
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I still think that MS would be in a better position as a purely software developer/publisher as they still haven’t managed to expand their user base since the early 360 days.

They really don’t know what to do and think that all it needs is to have the most powerful console to be the best selling hardware. intact that MS has been in the hardware business for nearly 2 decades and still hasn’t managed to organically build new game studios says allot about then
 
Mr Swine said:
I still think that MS would be in a better position as a purely software developer/publisher as they still haven’t managed to expand their user base since the early 360 days.

They really don’t know what to do and think that all it needs is to have the most powerful console to be the best selling hardware. intact that MS has been in the hardware business for nearly 2 decades and still hasn’t managed to organically build new game studios says allot about then
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Thats a thing ive been thinking a about
Its been 21 years since the release of the Xbox.
21 years after Nintendo released the NES. It was 2004 and they most definitely had a legendary 1st party stable at that point.

21 years after ps1 released it was 2015 and here you began to see Playstation recover from its ps3 days and start releasing banger after banger (i think the last outright flop for a big budget PS game was the Order 1886 earlier that year)

21 years from Xbox and they feel like they never quite got the groove for thier own software management. It seemed so early Xbox 360 but by the end they threw it away and relied on 3rd parties and kinect to carry them
 
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