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Pre-Release The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Pre-Release Discussion Thread

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LukasManak22 said:
So if you already preordered I want to see what your preorder bonuses are, these are mine:

Poster with Link, few stickers and 2 coins.

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An expected bill for over 200€.
 
They prolly already have access to the PR portal for the game.

Dunno if Nintendo has any option to stop them doing this when they use a working, legal account and the whole stuff is already available in the PR portal.
 
All of these are probably future twitter posts, so it might not be too worthwhile for Nintendo to take action (on the uploading side)
 
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Dardan Sandiego said:
Ganondorf's tear in that art looks different...
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It does, yes.
Maybe the tears are really mere vessels and change color depending on who activates/uses it.

All this Ganondorf artwork really looks like to me that after a twist he won't be the villain anymore. Like we have to free him from the curse/influence of Demise and then he becomes the 8th sage/heroine....
Would be wild and I don't know if the fanbase would accept this :)
 
Horror Kid said:
It does, yes.
Maybe the tears are really mere vessels and change color depending on who activates/uses it.

All this Ganondorf artwork really looks like to me that after a twist he won't be the villain anymore. Like we have to free him from the curse/influence of Demise and then he becomes the 8th sage/heroine....
Would be wild and I don't know if the fanbase would accept this :)
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I don't see that at all? He still looks super pissed, look at those eyes.

His anger manifested into a primordial force that almost destroyed all life several times. I don't quite understand this idea that there's somehow a twist and he'll be a good guy.
 
If I had to guess what the time difference is between botw and totk, I would guess about 2 years. This gives enough time for things to progress, but not really finish in terms of the rebuilding effort. I think it also is a good amount of time for Ruiju to look a bit more grown, but not excessively much and for Tulin to become what looks like a teenager.

I wonder what comes first, the upheaval or Zelda and Link exploring the underground. Like are they exploring to find the cause or were they just exploring because they found the entrance. Since we have a scene of Link grabbing the master sword with a non corrupted hand, I feel like it is more likely for the upheaval to have started somewhat before they started exploring.

I guess there is also a question of if there is a small time jump from when Link's arm gets corrupted and when he presumably wakes in the sky. I would assume no, but there is always a chance.
 
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Zumikoi said:
Btw this Ganondorf design should have a scar on the chest, right? Unless it's not his present form.
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Why would he have a scar on his chest? That was just in Twilight Princess I thought. There's no consensus on where on the timeline this takes place but I would think downfall fits a lot better.

Either way, considering he can de-mummify healing scar tissue shouldn't exactly be difficult.
 
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Dardan Sandiego said:
Well, there's still this...

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This image was from BOTW, right?

It's pretty clear the implication is that it's the ancient hero, i.e. Link's analog. Ganondorf can't exactly touch the master sword, let alone hold it. Link having the toga and flowing hair as we see in TotK kinda supports that this is what he might look like, in a stylized form.
Jencks said:
I’m 50% sure this is the goat man
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I don't think it looks at all like goatman, none of the colors or features match. Goatman is wearing an owl shaped ornament, he's likely not meant to be the ancient hero (who would have more dragon iconography according to Zonai belief)
 
Skittzo said:
This image was from BOTW, right?

It's pretty clear the implication is that it's the ancient hero, i.e. Link's analog. Ganondorf can't exactly touch the master sword, let alone hold it. Link having the toga and flowing hair as we see in TotK kinda supports that this is what he might look like, in a stylized form.
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I don't know, the palette doesn't really fit Link either whereas the figure on the left is clearly Zelda.
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
I don't know, the palette doesn't really fit Link either whereas the figure on the left is clearly Zelda.
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I always figured the blue was analogous to the champion's tunic. The hair is weird, yeah. But it wouldn't make any sense for Ganondorf to be fighting a manifestation of his own hatred that is currently seeping out of his mummified corpse.

The logic on that idea doesn't exactly track.

I think it's more likely that the ancient hero didn't exactly look like Link. Maybe we see him in this game?
 
Skittzo said:
This image was from BOTW, right?

It's pretty clear the implication is that it's the ancient hero, i.e. Link's analog. Ganondorf can't exactly touch the master sword, let alone hold it. Link having the toga and flowing hair as we see in TotK kinda supports that this is what he might look like, in a stylized form.

I don't think it looks at all like goatman, none of the colors or features match. Goatman is wearing an owl shaped ornament, he's likely not meant to be the ancient hero (who would have more dragon iconography according to Zonai belief)
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Disagree. It’s an ancient drawing that is just a representation so I don’t know if it really matters. It would be an easy retcon anyway if it was supposed to be Link originally.
 
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Lintendo said:
How do they manage to get any new Artwork an post them before Nintendo? This is a official Artwork? Right?

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Apparently this art was sent to French retailers for promos like the champions. I guess official channels will tweet it soon.

Amazing design though. Looks fairly reserved for a demon king, but I’m sure he will get some crazy form during the game.
 
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Skittzo said:
I always figured the blue was analogous to the champion's tunic. The hair is weird, yeah. But it wouldn't make any sense for Ganondorf to be fighting a manifestation of his own hatred that is currently seeping out of his mummified corpse.

The logic on that idea doesn't exactly track.
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Yeah, the only way I can square it is if Ganondorf fought that ancient evil and it was sealed inside of him or took him over. 🤷‍♂️

BRRRRRING said:
It maybe goes along with the Shadow/Eclipse/Blood Moon speculation. It is the Tear of Shadow, but changes during the Blood Moon?
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Oh, I like this theory.
 
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Thought ... Goatman and Zelda-Zonai-Ancestor aren't from 10000 years ago, but even further in the past.

Speculation: The 10000 years ago mural depicts a Ganon form (not Ganondorf as the humanoid form) or a Calamity-Ganon form being beaten by the hero and the Hylia inheritor with the help of the Sheikah tech, aka Guardians and the Divine Beasts.

Correct me when i'm wrong, but i think the only media we have from official marketing, that shows Sheikah tech (outside of the Slate) is from February 23's trailer where those Guardian-like hands crawl up from the bottom, surrounding Link.

So we're actually going beyond that Mural in TotK.
 
Bonejack said:
Thought ... Goatman and Zelda-Zonai-Ancestor aren't from 10000 years ago, but even further in the past.

Speculation: The 10000 years ago mural depicts a Ganon form (not Ganondorf as the humanoid form) or a Calamity-Ganon form being beaten by the hero and the Hylia inheritor with the help of the Sheikah tech, aka Guardians and the Divine Beasts.

Correct me when i'm wrong, but i think the only media we have from official marketing, that shows Sheikah tech (outside of the Slate) is from February 23's trailer where those Guardian-like hands crawl up from the bottom, surrounding Link.

So we're actually going beyond that Mural in TotK.
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Yep I agree, I never really thought we were going 10,000 years in the past. By that point calamity ganon was already a thing, meaning Ganondorf had to have been sealed for a long time already.

So probably more like 15-20k years. But still post OoT because Ganondorf wasn't born before OoT.
 
Horror Kid said:
It does, yes.
Maybe the tears are really mere vessels and change color depending on who activates/uses it.

All this Ganondorf artwork really looks like to me that after a twist he won't be the villain anymore. Like we have to free him from the curse/influence of Demise and then he becomes the 8th sage/heroine....
Would be wild and I don't know if the fanbase would accept this :)
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Lmao could you imagine people clamoring this whole time for playable Zelda and Nintendo just responds with how about playable Ganondorf?
 
Skittzo said:
Yep I agree, I never really thought we were going 10,000 years in the past. By that point calamity ganon was already a thing, meaning Ganondorf had to have been sealed for a long time already.

So probably more like 15-20k years. But still post OoT because Ganondorf wasn't born before OoT.
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Another point hinting at this: The Sky Islands and all of the Zonai stuff happen directly due to Dorf's resurrection or vice-versa.

So we can assume there's a connection between Ganondorf and the Zonai and Sky Islands by the past time where he's imprisoned first.

If the 10000 years ago mural would therefor depict Ganondorf's return and defeat, the sky islands at the very least should have been present.
And Vah Medoh should've been able to reach/see them as it's roughly flying around the same altitude as some of the islands do in TotK.

We can also assume that there's a reason some beings from way in the past are trying to get active in the (for them) far future. I'd guess it has something to do why Ganondorf was imprisoned to begin with, instead of being killed/banished by the Master Sword.
I'd say in the time between OoT, Dorf must have gotten his hands on something that enabled him to fend of the Master Sword. Because normally, he shouldn't be able to flat out destroy it like he (imo) does in the opening of TotK.
(We're talking the OoT -> Twilight Princess line, not the OoT -> Wind Waker one)

That's yet another reason i don't think the 10000 years ago mural has any importance to TotK. If it would depict Ganondorf, what should've hindered him to destroy the sword 10000 years ago?
 
I really hope they add some more Gleeok variants than just fire, ice, and thunder. Gimme a wind gleeok that you have to build an armored tank in order to even approach it without getting blown away. Or a malice gleeok that has an insane amount of health and attack power.
 
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Horror Kid said:
It does, yes.
Maybe the tears are really mere vessels and change color depending on who activates/uses it.

All this Ganondorf artwork really looks like to me that after a twist he won't be the villain anymore. Like we have to free him from the curse/influence of Demise and then he becomes the 8th sage/heroine....
Would be wild and I don't know if the fanbase would accept this :)
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let villains be villains. not everyone needs to be fixed
 
I thought a little bit about a non evil ganondof but the way they have already set up the plot so far in BotW it wouldn't really make sense... Unless he would be in a very forgiving mood after being stuck for 10.000 years and spreading malice all over. Unless you would argue that Ganondorf is simply a puppet of evil incarnate and that he somehow manages to sever the connection with it. buuuut it looks like he will do exactly the opposite of that so far...
 
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I still think the ouroboros signifies some weird paradox loop of the hero depicted in the mural is actually modern day botw Link creating the acts that transpired 10000 years ago
 
Given the emphasis on imagery like the lotus flowers and dry zen garden motif used for the Zonai, the tears likely reflect the interior state or soul of the wielder. Ganondorf's is red because he is, ah, quite literally the source of Malice in BotW's/TotK's Hyrule. His spirit rots the earth and births demons.
ze_ said:
This shot of Ganondorf is nuts lmao

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It looks like you can see it in this screenshot, with the blood-red Malice swirling around Ganon's body as the tear glows.
 
ILikeFeet said:
what if the Shiekah built the shrine of resurrection on top of ganon's prison to use the sealing power to revive Link? then maybe it's Link's very revival that weakened the seal on Ganon causing him to comeback! 🤔
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maybe Ganon destroys the Shrine of Resurrection to stop Link using it again, like he did in BOTW.
 
spelga51 said:
maybe Ganon destroys the Shrine of Resurrection to stop Link using it again, like he did in BOTW.
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That would require him to know that such a shrine exists. I guess we don't know if the Malice that was once Calamity-Ganon brought back memories when it returned to Ganondorf.
 
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Bonejack said:
Another point hinting at this: The Sky Islands and all of the Zonai stuff happen directly due to Dorf's resurrection or vice-versa.

So we can assume there's a connection between Ganondorf and the Zonai and Sky Islands by the past time where he's imprisoned first.

If the 10000 years ago mural would therefor depict Ganondorf's return and defeat, the sky islands at the very least should have been present.
And Vah Medoh should've been able to reach/see them as it's roughly flying around the same altitude as some of the islands do in TotK.

We can also assume that there's a reason some beings from way in the past are trying to get active in the (for them) far future. I'd guess it has something to do why Ganondorf was imprisoned to begin with, instead of being killed/banished by the Master Sword.
I'd say in the time between OoT, Dorf must have gotten his hands on something that enabled him to fend of the Master Sword. Because normally, he shouldn't be able to flat out destroy it like he (imo) does in the opening of TotK.
(We're talking the OoT -> Twilight Princess line, not the OoT -> Wind Waker one)

That's yet another reason i don't think the 10000 years ago mural has any importance to TotK. If it would depict Ganondorf, what should've hindered him to destroy the sword 10000 years ago?
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Yeah, Ganondorf being revived has to have something to do with the islands. We see his malice magic hit what might be a barrier in the sky, so perhaps he destroys whatever barrier keeps the islands hidden from Hyrule. In Skyward Sword, Skyloft is above a magic cloud barrier Hylia put in place to keep the Triforce safe. Perhaps the Tears were also removed to the sky above a magic barrier, after the Zonai created a mechanism or magic which sealed Ganoncorpse beneath Hyrule.

As for the Master Sword, I don't know if they'll explicitly describe or explain it, but I feel like a potential explanation can already be inferred. Ganondorf is basically a demigod at this point; if, as a corpse sealed in a magic prison, his anger and rage and will to rule or destroy Hyrule can still manifest as something as powerful as the Calamity, then he may well now be more powerful. Perhaps sealing him away for thousands of years actually allowed his strength to grow. At the same time, it's not outlandish that after the passage of 20,000 years or more since its creation, the Master Sword itself is no longer strong enough to kill Ganondorf or resist his most powerful magic.

In the past in Zelda, Ganondorf is usually only sealed away for a few decades or centuries. He then returns, still very powerful, despite having been beaten and sealed away. It's never specified, for example, how he's able to escape the Sacred Realm in Wind Waker; whatever magic the Zonai used to seal him for so long was probably extremely powerful, but may well have allowed Ganondorf himself to become much more powerful than we've seen before. Perhaps his power is amplified by the Tear, or by some cosmic trick, he's still the holder of the Triforce of Power.

In Twilight Princess, Ganondorf still has the Triforce of Power despite being apprehended before he can steal it (in this timeline Ocarina's adult period never happens because Link and Zelda successfully tattle on Ganondorf, but 'dorf still ends up as the holder of the Triforce of Power). Twilight Princess also shows the Sages failing to execute Ganondorf, which seems to be down to the Triforce of Power. We know that Zelda is presumably still the holder of the Triforce of Wisdom in BotW - that is presumably her sealing power, passed down over generations, even if it wasn't named as such. It makes sense to me that Ganondorf has retained Power over the ages, just as Zelda and her descendents retained Wisdom.

Basically: Ganondorf still has the Triforce of Power and seemingly has a Tear. He is too powerful to kill, powerful enough to manifest the Calamity, and the Master Sword is thousands upon thousands of years old and has been through many battles. Maybe that's enough for 'dorf to be able to destroy one of the weapons that poses a real threat to him.
 
Skittzo said:
I don't see that at all? He still looks super pissed, look at those eyes.

His anger manifested into a primordial force that almost destroyed all life several times. I don't quite understand this idea that there's somehow a twist and he'll be a good guy.
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I don't know. He looks proud and sincere. Maybe even dignified.
It's just a feeling and yes, it wouldn't make sense with how he is portrayed in TotK until now and was portrayed in all earlier games.
But BotW already broke a lot of conventions, so I don't know why they couldn't try something different with him this time.

To me it would be more interesting to give him at least more layers.
Honestly I never cared much for him...maybe a bit in Wind Waker.
 
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