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YS VIII is good. I hope X will be more like VIII, or even older entries, and less like IX.
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Agree entirely. I really enjoyed VIII, but IX felt like a real slog even though it was shorter.
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First six months or so of 2023 are stacked. Personally excited for P3P and P4G, Fire Emblem Engage, Forspoken, Octopath Traveler II, Yakuza Ishin, Trails To Azure, Zelda TK, Final Fantasy XVI, and Trails Into Reverie. Probably a few smaller ones I’m forgetting too. Just going to be buried next year lol. Those last three, Zelda TK, FFXVI, and Reverie are my three most anticipated games of the year. I’m guessing each are closer to 100 hours long than not, and are in less than a two month window of each other. It’s a beautiful stretch of awesomeness.
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It’s one of the most stacked first six months of a year I can remember, at least for RPG and RPG-adjacent fans. Some things will probably get pushed back but even still I feel like enough won’t that we’re in for a gem of a year.
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Please stop. My wallet can hear you and is crying in the corner.
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Out of those I'm only really interested in Octopath, Ishin, and maybe Forspoken (and definitely the Trails games but I have such a backlog of those that I'm not getting to them until second half of 2023 at the earlier lmao) but between that and the last couple months (Star Ocean, Harvestella) it still feels absolutely stacked even if you filter half of them out.
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Yeah this holiday was wild too especially with Square throwing out a game or two every week. I haven’t any had time to play any of the ones I picked up from them.
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Yeah! I finished Harvestella and I'm around 90% of the way through Star Ocean and those were both fantastic, too (and I gave Various Daylife a spin but honestly that game is a genuine nothingburger on a level I've rarely seen). I didn't pick up Crisis Core but my best friend did so I've been watching them play it and that looks like a neat remaster.
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Next year I basically have a game I really want every month till july (multiple in feb) but I will wait for sales. Once I get Azure (FE and Octopath), I have all the CS games to go through so that will last me until the games I want go on sale (except first party/published nintendo). Heck even Reverie might go on sale after I finish the CS ark lol.
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Think the only big RPG I'm excited for this next year is FFXVI, and I'm waiting for the PC release of that anyways (also gives me enough time to upgrade my PC for it). Also excited for Sea of Stars, hoping She Dreams Elsewhere comes out this year.
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I wouldn’t do pacifist for a first playthrough since there a few quirks that aren’t remotely apparent for a first run. A mix of stealth and fighting or not worrying about it at all is the way to go imo.
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It’s not worth it at all on a first play, mainly because the weapon reward has the same stats as the weapon you get from one of the secret boss.
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Oh and I explore everything so I’m sure I’ll find it
To be fair, a number of the games you listed aren't even RPGs...
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Adjacent games are fair game in this thread! I think most would consider Forspoken an action RPG especially with Square behind it and Zelda BOTW is regularly considered an action RPG in some circles (along with the NES Zeldas) and has been listed as such in books and print magazines. Normal Yakuza I’ll give you is mostly just adjacent, but it has similar appeal with leveling up/resource management, currency, equipment, a focus on characters, and occasional role playing in side quests. Before we had an official Yakuza thread, this was a decent place to talk about them.
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I mean
I could argue that Final Fantasy XVI should be bolded in that quote as well
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Haha yeah I actually almost edited my post to say something like that! Despite series pedigree it so far just looks like a bombastic medieval Devil May Cry from what they've shown. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt for the moment though, that it will end up more action JRPG-ish, seeing as it's a mainline Final Fantasy and we haven't really seen that much of it outside of the combat itself.
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The Geofront fan translation group is going to be tackling The Legend of Heroes III: The White Witch! Pretty excited after how well both Trails From Zero and Trails To Azure turned out! This is essentially the predecessor to the Trails series.
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Embarking on The White Witch Pilgrimage! - The Geofront
The Geofront is embarking on a new pilgrimage—to localize the first entry in Falcom's esteemed Gagharv trilogy: The White Witch.
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TheWolvesDen
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I went back to Ni No Kuni 2 today and gosh is progress a chore. The core combat is good but I don’t really like the kingdom building element or the rts mini game. I wanna finish it but man.
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It should be great!
Do we have a list of everything coming out the first few months of the year?
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It definitely does feel like a great base for the next games in the series. If they could manage to do more/better dungeon crawling, plus (personal preference) go more in the direction of SMT4 rather than Nocturne, I'll be very happy with whatever comes next. And who knows, maybe Atlus has an "SMTV:A" followup game or something in the works.
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holy shit I'm a right side nerd
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I’m 100% a right side FF nerd.
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Welp, I'm a left ff nerd
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Left side for me, but I do love FF9 and FF12! 12 is usually my second favorite after 6.
It doesn't work for me, I love 7, 8, 10, and 7 Remake on the left side, and really don't like Type-0, FF13, or FF15. On the right side I love 9 and 14, but don't like 12.
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Interesting! This is a gimme for me, since FF9 and 12 are some of my favorites in the series, and FF Tactics and Vagrant Story are both amazing. Whereas I find FF7 and 8 to be very medium, I hated FF15, and don't much like Kingdom Hearts. Or FF7Remake, either. Interestingly I love only FF10 and FF13 out of the left group.
(unsurprisingly it's mostly the action games I don't like, lol)
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Yeah for me I feel like I haven’t played too much of the right side. FF Tactics, Vagrant Story, and the MMOs are all blind spots for me. I’ll definitely play the first two at some point since I have them on Vita/PS3, but I just can’t get the free trial of FFXIV to work right. I’ll try again someday.
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Hard left. More specifically middle left. Never fell into the Kingdom Hearts sinkhole.
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Yeah I think my heart belongs to the right side. I do like most of what's on the left side though.
Also, lol at that Xenogears erasure. They need a line forking off from FF6 -> Xenogears -> Chrono Cross to represent the Xenogears team looking at FF7 at some point after they were done with Chrono Trigger and going "nope, too dark, can we make our own thing?"
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Oh so the right side also led to the Xeno games and Monolith? Even more reason for me to be on the right!
Vagrant Story is a bit dated and has some weird systems to it, but it's still one of the most gorgeous PS1 games (that doesn't use prerendered backgrounds) and has an excellent vibe and atmosphere to it. I'd love an update to it of some kind that gives it some QOL and a more modern combat feel, among other things.
FF Tactics is the king of tactics RPGs, at least for ones with highly customizable jobs and abilities. It's one of my favorites, and I love the Ivalice vibe it has going (like all those games). Hopefully the rumored FFTactics remake will be happening this year so that we can finally get it on a modern console, it's so perfect for Switch.
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Needs the teams that left SE but still made JRPGs(namely Monolithsoft)
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Sort of..
It was more like Chrono Trigger led to Chrono Trigger 2 which very quickly morphed into Xenogears and Square top brass cutting the game content short and telling the team they couldn't make their planned prequels/sequels led to a lot of the CT/XG team splitting off and forming Monolith.
The FF connection really only being that the story Takahashi, Saga, and Kato devised was initially a pitch for a potential FF7, which Square didn't like because it was too dark and too scifi so they said to make it a sequel to Chrono Trigger instead, and shortly after the CT team began development (this time with Takahashi in the lead instead of Tokita), opinions between top brass and Sakaguchi/Takahashi over what a "Chrono Trigger 2" should be fell apart, so they quickly reworked it into a standalone IP and then Square went and made Chrono Cross without a lot of the original team, while Takahashi et al prepared to split off into their own company.
But in spirit, yeah that all still belongs on the right imo.
Sorry, that was a shorter rant in my head.
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Got it, now I can see the general flow of things! Thanks for the breakdown.Sort of..
It was more like Chrono Trigger led to Chrono Trigger 2 which very quickly morphed into Xenogears and Square top brass cutting the game content short and telling the team they couldn't make their planned prequels/sequels led to a lot of the CT/XG team splitting off and forming Monolith.
The FF connection really only being that the story Takahashi, Saga, and Kato devised was initially a pitch for a potential FF7, which Square didn't like because it was too dark and too scifi so they said to make it a sequel to Chrono Trigger instead, and when opinions between top brass and Sakaguchi/Takahashi over what a "Chrono Trigger 2" should be fell apart, they quickly reworked it into a standalone and then Square went and made Chrono Cross without a lot of the original team, while Takahashi et al prepared to split off into their own company.
But in spirit, yeah that all still belongs on the right imo.
Sorry, that was a shorter rant in my head.
I think the very, very oversimplified version of my personal taste is that "Ivalice/Matsuno and Monolithsoft = good, Nomura = bad", lol.
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I'd put Sakaguchi in there with Ivalice and Matsuno, too. Square very noticably lost something when he broke off. And yeah he was still on the team for VII and VIII but I think those games have much more Nomura/Kitase vibes than Sakaguchi vibes, I think he was more in the backseat at that point (no doubt tryina moderate the prolonged fight between Takahashi and Square brass
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All of this FF/Square Enix talk is really interesting to me for a lot of reasons, but one of the main ones is FF16. Generally, I'm not a fan of the action-based FF games and spinoffs, but FF16 has me really intrigued given where it's coming from and who's working on it. I was cool on the game at first but the latest trailer has gotten me a lot more hyped.
On a very unrelated note, this feels like the year we'll finally be seeing Dragon Quest again. DQ3HD I think almost certainly, but maybe even a tease for DQ12?
On a very unrelated note, this feels like the year we'll finally be seeing Dragon Quest again. DQ3HD I think almost certainly, but maybe even a tease for DQ12?
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It's all good, I had it backwards and appreciate the clarification!Sorry, that was a shorter rant in my head.
By the time they got to VIII Sakaguchi was credited as "Executive Producer" which doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of the day to day work on the project. Not sure if it's the same deal as Nintendo, but Nintendo's CEO is usually listed as the Executive Producer on all their works. So he was probably very hands off beyond just giving his stamp of approval on certain elements. He was also probably busy with Spirits Within and planning for IX around this time too.
Also, I definitely lean heavier on Kitase being more influential than Nomura for the vibe on the left side of the company. Or the pair of Kitase and Nojima. Nomura is just the front man those two hide behind.
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You know how I know I'm right?Damn.
I mean, that tracks. But damn.
The World Ends With You is Nomura doing the main character designs without those two clowns doing the writing/scenario and it shows.
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Loooool holy shit
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TWEWY is the game that got me back on the Square wagon. I had pretty much stopped paying attention to what they were doing on the PS3 by that point because it was Last Remnant and XIII being previewed and I didn't have a PS3 at the time, and who knew when XIII was actually going to release. And then boom, here comes TWEWY and it's fresh and original and OMG, and I think interrupted my progress on Persona 3 until FES was released.Loooool holy shit
I have since come around on XIII and it's pretty alright even if it's a bit on the basic side for Final Fantasy. Heckuva OST by Hamauzu though. I still need to play Last Remnant.
EDIT: Goddamn 2007 was a good year for non-mainstream JRPGs
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FF13 is a game I could replay endlessly almost based on nothing but the OST and battle system, they’re that good (It’s still very pretty, too). That OST did a great job of letting you vibe and enjoy the atmosphere even with the hallway linearity.
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Oh I would totally recommend 13 as an entry point into the series for a complete JRPG newbie. Although I kinda wish it was more like 4 where the character growth is entirely on rails rather than the psuedo-control they give you (which is really just prioritization). And I totally agree the game is still really pretty. I finished it up a couple years ago and I had no trouble with the graphics.
Personally I think Chrono Trigger might be the better starting point, but it's also unfair to start someone in a genre with a game like CT as their benchmark to compare everything else against when they're developing their palette.
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I was impressed by FFXIII even though it was different because I was captivated by the story, but I had already fallen off Square pretty hard by that point. I think FFX was the last time I was really interested in their output. It wasn't until their new (at the time) CEO admitted that the company had been fighting to "westernize" in order to compete but he was committed to bringing back the classic Square feel and revitalizing old IPs that I started paying attention. And shortly after that, Tokyo RPG Factory was formed and we got Setsuna. And I started watching. Then we got Octopath, then Trials of Mana, and the absolute blur of their Switch output and I can now finally say I'm a Square fan again. Only took a near two decades.
