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Rumour Metroid Prime remaster/remake planned for 2022 (UPDATE: new rumor from Jeff Grubb, see threadmarks)

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ILikeFeet said:
that's not a lot of people, to be honest
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It isn't, and yet, Prime is second only to Super in being seen as a "perfect" game, and has its own speedrunning community. Maybe it's not as much of a concern for Nintendo, but it certainly couldn't hurt to have the goal in mind of seeing the Prime revamp be the thing the scene adopts as the "new standard", and gets additional advertising at the likes of GDQ. That kind of thing can only help broaden the game and series' appeal, which just means more sales.

So, if you want the best chance of the revamp outselling the original, things like this should be considered. Depending on what happens, it'd also be nice to see Retro's historically "meh" (if not somewhat hostile) attitude to sequence breaking be changed for the better.
 
Greenteapizza said:
Wasn't the main reason for XC DEs new content to set up xenoblade 3 though? Wouldn't it be weird to add new content for 1 to set up something for 4 when theres two games in between. Unless the new content didn't have relevance to the plot of the series.
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Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but Prime Hunters takes place between Prime 1 and Prime 2 on the official timeline. It's possible any new content revolves around Sylux since he's been hinted at since Prime 3 and Federation Force.
 
MMXZero said:
Not sure if this is a spoiler or not, but Prime Hunters takes place between Prime 1 and Prime 2 on the official timeline. It's possible any new content revolves around Sylux since he's been hinted at since Prime 3 and Federation Force.
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Exactly my thoughts, as well.

They're not going to get any better opportunity to make a case for why we should start caring about Sylux than starting now. Especially if he's going to be a pivotal part of Prime 4.
 
@Emily, you also stated that mechanically, they don't want to mess with it much at all because it's acclaimed the way it is. So @NateDrake's idea of it being similar to XCDX seems accurate.

Is there any word of any other control options? Like a split Joy-Con setup to mimic the Wii controls?
 
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Tanabe has stated multiple times he wants to continue with Sylux. It was made clear in the last couple Metroid Prime related games. If they only release MP1 before MP4 nobody will know who Sylux is.

But they can do a little synopsis like they did with Metroid Dread of previous games.
 
Tron1 said:
At this point they should give us all 3 games. Unless there is a bid development issue, I don’t see why you would just offer 1.
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Development issues are presumably the reason they're only offering Prime 1; Retro Studios started work on a Trilogy remaster but then got handed Prime 4.

Prime 4 is a much higher priority, so it seems that only the Prime 1 remaster is finished. The status of remasters for 2 and 3 is unknown.
 
if the graphical gap between the original and the remaster is the same as the gap between Shadow of the Colossus PS2 and Shadow of the Colossus PS4 then I'll be totally fine
 
What if they make Metroid Prime 1.5 and add it in to the remaster? That stuff sounded really cool. Even a short 3 hour thing would be great.
 
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Dark Cloud said:
What if they make Metroid Prime 1.5 and add it in to the remaster? That stuff sounded really cool. Even a short 3 hour thing would be great.
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Maybe not the entirety of what 1.5 had, but I always thought one key aspect of what 1.5 would've introduced was something that was ripe for Prime to explore. And it only gets more interesting when you consider what Sylux's cameo in Federation Force could've led into...

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- https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Humetroid

What if the reason Sylux stole a newborn Metroid from the Federation was because he or his benefactor(s) want to create "Human-Metroid" hybrids? And that's assuming Sylux isn't already one, himself, by this point. So long as we're stuck in the "pre-Metroid 2" period (a thing I desperately wish we didn't have to deal with, but whatever), I guess we might as well see exactly what drove the Federation to order the mass extinction of the Metroids.

Plus, maybe it would make a bit more sense in context why someone knew they could just hook Samus up with Metroid culture in order to help combat the X parasites infecting her. Because someone figured out a way to infuse Metroid DNA into a human's, before...
 
ILikeFeet said:
but Xenoblade DE was a full visual overhaul. the only thing that was the same, visually, was the animations
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Sorry that wasn't me discounting what was done in XBDE, I just mean to say it was not a ground up remake. There's obviously a lot of underlying similar assets, running on the same engine, etc. Nothing wrong with what they did, since they pretty much maxed out what the Switch is capable of anyway, but with Prime being an older game, made by a very different dev team, I'm not sure how much they can get out that kind of approach vs working from the ground up. Particularly with new hardware approaching, it would be cool to see how far they could take it.
 
Someone here said people have played Prime to death? I don't think twelve times is too much, right?.......right?

Seriously, though, for me, no new content is fine. Game is beautiful and scenic to this day. Gimme upgraded textures, lighting, music, and I am down for another twelve times til I'm 50.
 
Instro said:
Sorry that wasn't me discounting what was done in XBDE, I just mean to say it was not a ground up remake. There's obviously a lot of underlying similar assets, running on the same engine, etc. Nothing wrong with what they did, since they pretty much maxed out what the Switch is capable of anyway, but with Prime being an older game, made by a very different dev team, I'm not sure how much they can get out that kind of approach vs working from the ground up. Particularly with new hardware approaching, it would be cool to see how far they could take it.
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I dont think it runs on the same engine. It uses xeno 2's engine or so i was told.
Even if it was, i think one of the engineers told that the engine was lost or something like that? About the prime engine, RUDE. So its most likely being redone in 4's engine
 
I didn't realised Metroid Prime 1.5 was a thing that was an idea and now I sort of wish I didn't know about it because the Metroid Prime re-release will like 99% almost certainly not include a realisation of this kick-ass idea.
 
MisterSpo said:
I didn't realised Metroid Prime 1.5 was a thing that was an idea and now I sort of wish I didn't know about it because the Metroid Prime re-release will like 99% almost certainly not include a realisation of this kick-ass idea.
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I’m surprised you didn’t know about it. I heard it a few years ago and then recently someone brought it. Cool stuff they were thinking
 
Dark Cloud said:
I’m surprised you didn’t know about it. I heard it a few years ago and then recently someone brought it. Cool stuff they were thinking
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The irrational part of me is going "Future Connected and Bowser's Fury happened, so Metroid Prime Dreadnought can happen!" (Dreadnought is the name I'd like to give the expansion, given it was meant to take place on a huge war ship in space, too similar to Dread tho)

The rational part of me sees Prime with visual improvements and that's all folks $60 being the thing that happens. And yeah, I will get that because I think Prime is an all time great, but damn. Metroid Prime 1.5 sounds cool.

If you drop the parallel dimension (to differentiate it from 2) and bring in Sylux alone in some capacity (instead of multiple potential bounty hunters), there's your link to Prime 4.
 
Dark Cloud said:
Tanabe has stated multiple times he wants to continue with Sylux. It was made clear in the last couple Metroid Prime related games. If they only release MP1 before MP4 nobody will know who Sylux is.

But they can do a little synopsis like they did with Metroid Dread of previous games.
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To be fair, even if Nintendo released the entire trilogy on Switch, no one would know who Sylux is because he doesn't do anything in those games until the very end of Prime 3.

The problem with Sylux is he's only been featured in Prime Hunters as a playable character one time and they've tried to pass him off as a mysterious enigma that exists in the Metroid universe.

Even if Nintendo tried to do a synopsis or recap of the entire Prime series you would still be confused about Sylux simply because he has never done anything plot relevant.
 
I don't understand why there needs to be a synopsis for MP4 anyway. unless the game directly follows those plotlines, there doesn't need to be one. as mentioned Sylux hasn't actually done anything, so they can make MP4 a proper reintroduction without need for any callbacks outside of the subtle acknowledgements
 
ILikeFeet said:
I don't understand why there needs to be a synopsis for MP4 anyway. unless the game directly follows those plotlines, there doesn't need to be one. as mentioned Sylux hasn't actually done anything, so they can make MP4 a proper reintroduction without need for any callbacks outside of the subtle acknowledgements
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That is the logic assumption.
 
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ILikeFeet said:
I don't understand why there needs to be a synopsis for MP4 anyway. unless the game directly follows those plotlines, there doesn't need to be one. as mentioned Sylux hasn't actually done anything, so they can make MP4 a proper reintroduction without need for any callbacks outside of the subtle acknowledgements
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Because it’s Metroid Prime 4?…you’re talking as if Sylux will be the only connection. They could do anything they want.
 
Dark Cloud said:
Because it’s Metroid Prime 4?…you’re talking as if Sylux will be the only connection. They could do anything they want.
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being numbered doesn't necessitate the need for a "last time, on metroid ball z!" like Dread did. Sylux might not be the only connection, but it's only one we can guess within reason
 
Dark Cloud said:
Because it’s Metroid Prime 4?…you’re talking as if Sylux will be the only connection. They could do anything they want.
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The major plot point of prime, phazon, is gone. It's not necessary, they'll likely drop the 4 from the title (maybe drop it once in the reveal trailer ala dread).
 
ILikeFeet said:
being numbered doesn't necessitate the need for a "last time, on metroid ball z!" like Dread did. Sylux might not be the only connection, but it's only one we can guess within reason
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As lore heavy as the Prime games could be, thanks to all the scans, I actually think it might be appreciated if they had a sort of "story so far" for Prime 4, too.

Even if things like Phazon and Metroid Prime/Dark Samus are considered "done deals", they, and hell, anything else from the previous games, could be considered fair game to be referenced in a random lore drop. Sylux's presence means even that a spinoff on DS factors into things, let alone the main games where much more compelling things went down.
 
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Remake,

Make it more inline with the 2D games, retcon the story so that Prime isn’t even a “Metroid” and that there aren’t any Metroids in the game. Space Pirates should look like they do in the 2D games. Add Kraid and Mother Brain too
 
Mr Swine said:
Remake,

Make it more inline with the 2D games, retcon the story so that Prime isn’t even a “Metroid” and that there aren’t any Metroids in the game. Space Pirates should look like they do in the 2D games. Add Kraid and Mother Brain too
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lets not do any of that. Imagine throwing out Prime's identity to turn it into some clone of the 2d games.
 
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Zeal543 said:
Yeah let's not do any of that
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Seriously. That is certainly... A take. Prime was a step towards making Metroid a more serious and believable hard sci-fi universe and I'd much rather they continue in that direction than go back to NES roots which for obvious reasons weren't very well thought out lore-wise.

If anything, I'd like to see the 2D games take more influence from the Primes, not the other way around. Prime 2D (rip sweet prince) was absolutely wonderful and basically gave me everything I wanted in a new 2D game. Dread was fantastic but I don't necessarily like everything about its direction.

Dark Cloud said:
Because it’s Metroid Prime 4?…you’re talking as if Sylux will be the only connection. They could do anything they want.
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I know it's wishful thinking because Tanabe already has said he's interested in continuing with Sylux, but I kind of hope he doesn't have that crucial of a role in Prime 4's plot. I don't know, I just have zero idea what is supposed to be compelling about him. For some reason a lot of the fanbase likes him and seems to think he's a fascinating character, but to me he's literally no different than any of the other faceless hunters you shoot in, well, Hunters.

He's... A mass of pointy polygons with a grudge against the Federation? I guess? Why is that any more compelling than Weavel (who actually has a sensible motivation to hate Samus and the Federation), or Trace (who hails from an entirely different malevolent empire we haven't encountered) or any other hunter? If anything he seems to have the least character motivation of them all and his design is just kind of an ugly mess of flat shapes.

I dunno. I guess I just struggle to see how they're going to suddenly make me think Sylux is an interesting character.
 
ElisaurusWrecks said:
Seriously. That is certainly... A take. Prime was a step towards making Metroid a more serious and believable hard sci-fi universe and I'd much rather they continue in that direction than go back to NES roots which for obvious reasons weren't very well thought out lore-wise.

If anything, I'd like to see the 2D games take more influence from the Primes, not the other way around. Prime 2D (rip sweet prince) was absolutely wonderful and basically gave me everything I wanted in a new 2D game. Dread was fantastic but I don't necessarily like everything about its direction.



I know it's wishful thinking because Tanabe already has said he's interested in continuing with Sylux, but I kind of hope he doesn't have that crucial of a role in Prime 4's plot. I don't know, I just have zero idea what is supposed to be compelling about him. For some reason a lot of the fanbase likes him and seems to think he's a fascinating character, but to me he's literally no different than any of the other faceless hunters you shoot in, well, Hunters.

He's... A mass of pointy polygons with a grudge against the Federation? I guess? Why is that any more compelling than Weavel (who actually has a sensible motivation to hate Samus and the Federation), or Trace (who hails from an entirely different malevolent empire we haven't encountered) or any other hunter? If anything he seems to have the least character motivation of them all and his design is just kind of an ugly mess of flat shapes.

I dunno. I guess I just struggle to see how they're going to suddenly make me think Sylux is an interesting character.
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About sylux, its the fact he is a blank that makes him so interesting. We coukd easily be mocking the future best written character in the franchise, they can do anything with him. As of now, he is not a villain,not a character, not even a design, since even that will be heavily altered in mp4.

I very very rarely found someone who liked him, more likely they enjoyed his (old) design. If there are people who like him as a character then yeah, bunch of weirdos.
 
Sylux is polygon man. Yes, he’s a blank slate, but I want a redesign. His design is like a lackey. Just any other random enemy in a group of enemies. I need him to stick out more design wise.
 
Mr Doggo said:
About sylux, its the fact he is a blank that makes him so interesting. We coukd easily be mocking the future best written character in the franchise, they can do anything with him. As of now, he is not a villain,not a character, not even a design, since even that will be heavily altered in mp4.

I very very rarely found someone who liked him, more likely they enjoyed his (old) design. If there are people who like him as a character then yeah, bunch of weirdos.
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Right, and I hope they prove me wrong. It's not that I won't give him a chance, just that I don't understand what anybody finds compelling about him right now. I hope Tanabe's vision for Sylux blows me away but the tease in MP3 very much felt like a "... Okay?" kind of moment of confusion for me.

I used to hang out on Metroid fan communities fairly often and you'd be surprised how often there were people lathering praise on Sylux. I mean, I guess he's really the only plot thread we've had for over a decade so it's just starved fans embracing fan fiction in the absence of anything else substantial.

But to me the compelling things in Prime are the world building they did. Like, the log entry from the Phendrana planetarium about Twin Tabula. A planet racked with a horrifying disease. Who cares about Sylux? I wanna go there and see that!
 
ElisaurusWrecks said:
Right, and I hope they prove me wrong. It's not that I won't give him a chance, just that I don't understand what anybody finds compelling about him right now. I hope Tanabe's vision for Sylux blows me away but the tease in MP3 very much felt like a "... Okay?" kind of moment of confusion for me.

I used to hang out on Metroid fan communities fairly often and you'd be surprised how often there were people lathering praise on Sylux. I mean, I guess he's really the only plot thread we've had for over a decade so it's just starved fans embracing fan fiction in the absence of anything else substantial.

But to me the compelling things in Prime are the world building they did. Like, the log entry from the Phendrana planetarium about Twin Tabula. A planet racked with a horrifying disease. Who cares about Sylux? I wanna go there and see that!
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About the last part first, i feel like then that isnt (future) sylux's fault. You want different things from prime and thats more than ok.

Mp3's tease was very meh, but i dont think they could have done much. I guess it was more to show prime wasnt over and someday would return, but certainly not anytime soon as retro was looking for new ips to make.

And metroid fans are weirdos, dont mind them. Most of them mix "i like this design" with "he is so well written"
 
ILikeFeet said:
Metroid isn't exactly the bastion of writing to begin with. shit, it feels like a lot of stuff comes from outside of the games anyway
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Definitely. But that's a lot of what made Prime so great, to me. It's that it showed that it could be, with the right vision. They started to flesh out a cohesive universe with rules and common technologies. You could read a log telling you the composition of a strange rock, or the behavior of a weird plant, or what a machine you see in the background does.

That to me was the perfect marriage and distillation of the appeal of Metroid, which historically has been the atmosphere and the mystery.

I know that Nintendo has never put that much emphasis on plot (and obviously, gameplay should always come first) but it really felt like Metroid's niche has been that of the Nintendo IP for those who wanted to think more critically about the world they were in, and wanted a more grounded scenario.

Retro's lasting legacy to me will always be that they had the vision to expand that exact core appeal in the best possible way to translate to a 3D experience that made you more curious, rather than putting you into an action focused rollercoaster that made you less so.

TL;DR I want whatever world we step off our ship on in Prime 4 to bring me back to the sense of wonder and loneliness that I felt stepping off for the first time in Tallon Overworld back in 2002. Please don't make me wander around talking to Admiral Dane for half an hour again.
 
Sylux is very bland as a character. We know next to nothing about him (her?) and he was very obviously designed to work within the limited 3D capability of the DS.

He's not going to be the next Raven Beak ("evil Chozo" is an inherently cool idea, "random space hunter" isn't), but I think he works pretty well as a plot device - he causes havoc, starting the story and giving Samus some excuses to explore a new planet. He can also connect Metroid Prime 4 to past and future games. Sure, the Space Pirates can do everything Sylux can, but we've already fought them multiple times and since the Prime series is sandwiched between Metroid 1 and 2, we already know their fate -- they'll meet their ultimate demise in Super Metroid. Sylux is a cool variation and gives Prime more room to breathe.

I don't think Prime 4 story will ever be "about Sylux". Sylux will be the initial McGuffin, and then the meat of the story will be some new planet with cool environments and a mysterious past.
 
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And metroid fans are weirdos, dont mind them. Most of them mix "i like this design" with "he is so well written"
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True. Raven Beak isn't written super great, but at least he looks really cool, lol.
 
ElisaurusWrecks said:
Seriously. That is certainly... A take. Prime was a step towards making Metroid a more serious and believable hard sci-fi universe and I'd much rather they continue in that direction than go back to NES roots which for obvious reasons weren't very well thought out lore-wise.

If anything, I'd like to see the 2D games take more influence from the Primes, not the other way around. Prime 2D (rip sweet prince) was absolutely wonderful and basically gave me everything I wanted in a new 2D game. Dread was fantastic but I don't necessarily like everything about its direction.



I know it's wishful thinking because Tanabe already has said he's interested in continuing with Sylux, but I kind of hope he doesn't have that crucial of a role in Prime 4's plot. I don't know, I just have zero idea what is supposed to be compelling about him. For some reason a lot of the fanbase likes him and seems to think he's a fascinating character, but to me he's literally no different than any of the other faceless hunters you shoot in, well, Hunters.

He's... A mass of pointy polygons with a grudge against the Federation? I guess? Why is that any more compelling than Weavel (who actually has a sensible motivation to hate Samus and the Federation), or Trace (who hails from an entirely different malevolent empire we haven't encountered) or any other hunter? If anything he seems to have the least character motivation of them all and his design is just kind of an ugly mess of flat shapes.

I dunno. I guess I just struggle to see how they're going to suddenly make me think Sylux is an interesting character.
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I wouldn't call prime hard Sci Fi, even when compared to the 2d games. I do prefer the direction of the prime games over the post-super 2d games myself though.
 
Zeal543 said:
I wouldn't call prime hard Sci Fi, even when compared to the 2d games. I do prefer the direction of the prime games over the post-super 2d games myself though.
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Not inherently I suppose, no. Still plenty of inexplicable Bird Magic™️. But it was a step, and a step that I quite liked.

Fusion felt that way for the 2D games, as well (at least thematically) so it's probably not a surprise that Fusion is my favorite of those despite its linearity.
 
Yeah, I was never that into the way Prime Hunters and Prime 3 tried to populate Samus's world. I liked the addition of U-Mos in Echoes; I thought they struck the right balance there by suggesting and involving Samus in a larger world (with the crashed GF ship and the Troopers, then with U-Mos as the guide) without risking the atmosphere of the series.

Prime 3's weakest segments for me were the populated ones where all these side weirdos get involved in my Metroid. It's a shame Federation Troopers launched on the wrong platform at the wrong time, because I do see the appeal in seeing more people and characters in the Metroid universe; I just don't think I want too much of that in the games themselves.

Hell, for all Tanabe talking about Sylux and leaving those threads dangling, maybe it's dropped entirely. We really don't know anything about Prime 4 yet.
 
ElisaurusWrecks said:
Not inherently I suppose, no. Still plenty of inexplicable Bird Magic™️. But it was a step, and a step that I quite liked.

Fusion felt that way for the 2D games, as well (at least thematically) so it's probably not a surprise that Fusion is my favorite of those despite its linearity.
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Fusion is what introduced a lot of the nonsense for me
 
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Gingerbread Man said:
Sylux is very bland as a character. We know next to nothing about him (her?) and he was very obviously designed to work within the limited 3D capability of the DS.

He's not going to be the next Raven Beak ("evil Chozo" is an inherently cool idea, "random space hunter" isn't), but I think he works pretty well as a plot device - he causes havoc, starting the story and giving Samus some excuses to explore a new planet. He can also connect Metroid Prime 4 to past and future games. Sure, the Space Pirates can do everything Sylux can, but we've already fought them multiple times and since the Prime series is sandwiched between Metroid 1 and 2, we already know their fate -- they'll meet their ultimate demise in Super Metroid. Sylux is a cool variation and gives Prime more room to breathe.

I don't think Prime 4 story will ever be "about Sylux". Sylux will be the initial McGuffin, and then the meat of the story will be some new planet with cool environments and a mysterious past.
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Him. The only thing we truly know about Sylux is he hates the Federation and Samus and I believe Hunters said his suit was made by the space pirates.

What would be interesting to me is if MP4 took place after Metroid 2 and Sylux's plan took literal years to formulate after Samus nukes SR388 and Zebes.

Unfortunately with how things are set up now, Sylux doesn't seem like an actual threat to Samus and has jobber written all over him.
 
On the topic of sylux, he doesn't need to be a complex character or anything, a surface level reason why he hates the federation and samus is fine, I'm not looking for some grandiose plot when it comes to metroid. Flesh out Cylosis through some scans and we're good. I think it'd be cool if whatever Sylux ends up doing with the metroid leads to the federation initiating metroid 2 and the extermination of metroids.
 
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