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Discussion Switch 2's DLSS implementation code has been stolen/leaked from NVidia

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Skittzo said:
Those would be gone to scalpers just as fast as if they were regular units.

Are you suggesting they'd sell only to NSO subscribers at launch? Because yes, that's disastrous. That means no units allowed in any retail stores.
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Noooooooo, I mean as well as selling on Amazon etc, they would have their own stock for NSO specifically.
 
Skittzo said:
I'm starting to think they might wait a bit and do a large event in July/August where they unveil this thing along with a bunch of stuff like BOTW2 and Metroid Prime HD.
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What I want is to see this thing as soon as possible. I want them to do the real/final reveal Breath of the Wild 2 along side the revision, and demonstrate difference etc. But I don't really see any benefit in them doing that.

What I expect is to see Nintendo emphasize H2 software in their 'E3' showcase without this device in the picture at all. Current Switch will remain the most important device they have on the market for some time to come. They'll show the hardware off at a later date, as close to release as is possible.

I think the main caveat to the above is that they'll have to consider third parties in all of this. Nintendo's own titles will obviously support the original Switch first and foremost. But if, as Nate suggested, there's third party titles exclusive to the revision, unless they're due some time after launch, they'll need to give those third parties time to market the content.

AshenMortality said:
Did Nate confirm a late 2022 release for the Pro?This is too much for me to handle!!
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Nothing's changed around this. See below. I believe he's mentioned early 2023 in speculation as well, but that's just leaving wiggle room. We're only talking a few months apart at that point.

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Both are reiteration of prior information. I have been given no update to suggest the release window has changed and operate under the condition that it remains on schedule as told to me late last year.
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im happy if this System is Revision. I will be pissed if the Nintendo Switch system doesnt get it own Zelda game. Also Nintendo where is a brand New 2d Zelda game.
 
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So.,,with specs this powerful, I assume that docked mode is going to be closer to current gen buy what about handheld?? I can’t see that being much beyond what it is right now??
Or can DLSS stuff be used even then?
I can’t wait to hear more about this. I’ll be shocked if scarecrow this is comes before holiday 2024 but I’d love to be wrong lol.
 
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BlueKing said:
Noooooooo, I mean as well as selling on Amazon etc, they would have their own stock for NSO specifically.
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Ah gotcha. That would be nice, but I'm not expecting it.
AshenMortality said:
Did Nate confirm a late 2022 release for the Pro?This is too much for me to handle!!
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Confirm is a strong word, he said the last he heard (which was a while ago) that was still the plan.
 
Kenka said:
A release at the end of the year would mean a reveal at E3.
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Probably only viable if the tape-out does happen in May at the latest, but then like others have said hardware hasn't been debuted at E3 since 2017. In fact, from what I can gather none of the 3DS announcements happened at E3 either; Wii U was the last time they showed off new hardware at the event space in 2011.
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If there were justice in the world Nintendo would fulfill orders for amiibo to be sold directly to NSO subscribers instead of scalpers 🙃 Like that one weird kid who hated Rosalina so much he bought up whole ass pallettes lmao

Much as I'd be a fan of offering Switch Pros to NSO subs, I truly wonder how much they could get away with reserving some to keep them away from scalpers
 
I was divided on the Switch 2 launch when Nintendo announced their lineup for the year and Mario Kart DLC. They're blowing through big games and I thought that a new Switch would launch in 2025 or something. But considering the recent leak I think they might actually be planning to launch the pro with Zelda. Makes sense to build that early momentum. Either way I think it is obvious by now that there will be a cross generation period and that the Switch 2 will be positioned as an upgrade like a pro model at first.
 
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Brofield said:
Probably only viable if the tape-out does happen in May at the latest, but then like others have said hardware hasn't been debuted at E3 since 2017. In fact, from what I can gather none of the 3DS announcements happened at E3 either; Wii U was the last time they showed off new hardware at the event space in 2011.
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If there were justice in the world Nintendo would fulfill orders for amiibo to be sold directly to NSO subscribers instead of scalpers 🙃 Like that one weird kid who hated Rosalina so much he bought up whole ass pallettes lmao

Much as I'd be a fan of offering Switch Pros to NSO subs, I truly wonder how much they could get away with reserving some to keep them away from scalpers
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My theory has always been that the Wii U 2012 reveal was something that went over so poorly that it was a game changer for Nintendo. It's what led to them to stop doing live shows and stop E3 console reveals.
 
GamerJM said:
My theory has always been that the Wii U 2012 reveal was something that went over so poorly that it was a game changer for Nintendo. It's what led to them to stop doing live shows and stop E3 console reveals.
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LOL, my brother was at the Wii U reveal, and he told me that after Reggie had done his speech, people were confused as to whether it was a new console or an add-on for the Wii.

I wonder if Reggie will write about that in his book.
 
Akoig said:
I'm guessing this will be touched upon in detail on your next podcast but under the assumption that nothing has changed, when would you think they'd announce or at least tease the thing? Pre-E3? (And I mean E3 like a June thing since apparently E3 isn't happening) or more in line to OLED/Lite after the software presentation?
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I'll speculate on announcement timing in the podcast.
 
9-Volt said:
Any guesses on what those games from 10 devs that Mochi mentioned are? We know that one of them is Zynda (despite how Zynga denies this) but I wouldn't be surprised if all the rest are Embracer owned studios.
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I'd think one would be Mario + Rabbids Spark of Hope. The fact it's getting some sort of enhancement seems like an open secret considering how many people wanted to out it as a Pro title last year. I'll also echo the sentiment that Sonic Forces is probably one as well given the comments about wanting to focus on current gen. Those are fairly safe guesses though, but I still don't think Embracer owned studios will have the lion's share.
 
Radium said:
I'd think one would be Mario + Rabbids Spark of Hope. The fact it's getting some sort of enhancement seems like an open secret considering how many people wanted to out it as a Pro title last year. I'll also echo the sentiment that Sonic Forces is probably one as well given the comments about wanting to focus on current gen. Those are fairly safe guesses though, but I still don't think Embracer owned studios will have the lion's share.
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I completely agree Ubisoft got it. Nintendo knows to get the Mario + Rabbids devs one.
 
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BlueKing said:
Very true, I wonder if Nintendo will want 4 different consoles on sale(not including different colours)?

It kind of muddles the simple idea of the Switch family.
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To me, there will be no point in keeping the original Switch model just for 50$ difference. I could see them just fading it out this year by lowering the price to 250$ or in a bundle and replacing it with OLED eventually next year.
 
Golden said:
To me, there will be no point in keeping the original Switch model just for 50$ difference. I could see them just fading it out this year by lowering the price to 250$ or in a bundle and replacing it with OLED eventually next year.
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Considering the OG Switch has a higher profit margin, I don't think they will cut the price any further, I guess it also depends on how long the older parts used in OG Switch are available.

Either way, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
 
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Golden said:
To me, there will be no point in keeping the original Switch model just for 50$ difference. I could see them just fading it out this year by lowering the price to 250$ or in a bundle and replacing it with OLED eventually next year.
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Should lower the price of the lite to $100 switch to 200$ and oled to 250$ and keep selling them along side the new switch
 
Please do not use terminology such as loonies as a descriptor as this casually references the mentally ill in an insulting manner - Donnie, BozPaggs, Hologram
Nate better becareful what he says in his podcast. Some of these loonies going to come after every word he says.
 
So if we are talking PS4 level of graphics here, I assume the game sizes will jump as well. What are you guys thinking the storage situation will be? Those carts seem to be prohibitively expensive at even 32gb. Even 512gb SD cards are like $100 and that’s bare minimum for those size games. What do you guys think is the plan here?
 
Indyblue said:
So if we are talking PS4 level of graphics here, I assume the game sizes will jump as well. What are you guys thinking the storage situation will be? Those carts seem to be prohibitively expensive at even 32gb. Even 512gb SD cards are like $100 and that’s bare minimum for those size games. What do you guys think is the plan here?
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Easy.

Multiple cartages. Imagine the intensity of the scene when playing Mario Odyssey 2 defeating the 1st part and Cappy turns to you saids “thanks, but our princess is in a different cartridge, please insert cartridge 2”.

In all seriousness. I’m interested in knowing this too. 64gb still don’t seem have been cheap enough to be used at all.
 
Indyblue said:
So if we are talking PS4 level of graphics here, I assume the game sizes will jump as well. What are you guys thinking the storage situation will be? Those carts seem to be prohibitively expensive at even 32gb. Even 512gb SD cards are like $100 and that’s bare minimum for those size games. What do you guys think is the plan here?
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Better compression I'd guess.

Nintendo games are still gonna be like 20-30GB tops.
 
9-Volt said:
Any guesses on what those games from 10 devs that Mochi mentioned are? We know that one of them is Zynda (despite how Zynga denies this) but I wouldn't be surprised if all the rest are Embracer owned studios.
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mochi said it was more than 11 if i remember correctly.
My guesses (regardless of what Mochi says) are: capcom, Square, Take Two, Bandai Namco, Grasshoper, Ubisoft, EA, Team Cherry, The Game Kitchen, Microsoft, MDHR, Warner, THQ Nordic, Gameloft, Epic, Unity, Crytek and NIS
 
9-Volt said:
Any guesses on what those games from 10 devs that Mochi mentioned are? We know that one of them is Zynda (despite how Zynga denies this) but I wouldn't be surprised if all the rest are Embracer owned studios.
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I would not describe much of what Embracer owns as major, except Borderlands and the KOTOR remake

I don't even think they own Borderlands
 
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Dark Cloud said:
Nate better becareful what he says in his podcast. Some of these loonies going to come after every word he says.
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Phrasing will be deliberate.

Not that it matters much. Still have people claim I talked about this hardware coming in 2018, 2019, and 2020... despite only having only ever discussed it in late 2020 when devkits began to arrive and again in 2021 with updates on what was happening.

I do love the amount of "this was obvious" comments I've seen since yesterday since they are a stark contrast to my comment section that claimed hardware wouldn't come until 2024/2025 and that DLSS would never happen...
 
Ojoloco said:
mochi said it was more than 11 if i remember correctly.
My guesses (regardless of what Mochi says) are: capcom, Square, Take Two, Bandai Namco, Grasshoper, Ubisoft, EA, Team Cherry, The Game Kitchen, Microsoft, MDHR, Warner, THQ Nordic, Gameloft, Epic, Unity, Crytek and NIS
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If this hardware is still on track for a release late 2022 / early 2023, I think most of us could name a dozen development studios / publishers that have access to a dev kit with high accuracy based on past precedent and the relationships that have formed since the Switch launched. The 11 number is kind of a nothing burger, imo. It'll get interesting once specific projects start to leak. Half of those (the ones I've bolded) are basically guaranteed and that's still missing obvious ones like Koei Tecmo and SEGA.
 
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A thought popped into my head but couldn’t this just a home console version instead that’s focused on power? Like another addition to the line along with the lite and OLED?
 
Shiba said:
A thought popped into my head but couldn’t this just a home console version instead that’s focused on power? Like another addition to the line along with the lite and OLED?
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There's some stuff in the leak indicating a mechanism for disabling some SMs on the fly which suggests a portable mode/docked mode dichotomy. But besides that there's nothing else in the leak indicating form factor either way.

However all other rumors about this thing have been calling it a Switch, you'd think if it were a stationary only device people would have mentioned that in some of the rumors.
 
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NateDrake said:
Phrasing will be deliberate.

Not that it matters much. Still have people claim I talked about this hardware coming in 2018, 2019, and 2020... despite only having only ever discussed it in late 2020 when devkits began to arrive and again in 2021 with updates on what was happening.

I do love the amount of "this was obvious" comments I've seen since yesterday since they are a stark contrast to my comment section that claimed hardware wouldn't come until 2024/2025 and that DLSS would never happen...
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Its been funny to read I must say.
 
Golden said:
At some point in the generation profit margin will be lowered to appeal to a broader audience and sell software. They haven't had to do so yet, impressively, but i feel like with Wii Sport releasing this year they could be starting to lower their prices.
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I doubt Nintendo is going to drop Lite to 100$. As for the current Switch there is no reason to drop to 200$, it will be replaced by OLED eventually and maybe that will be the one that does get the drop but not that low. It will probably follow the same logic as 3DS which didn’t see official price drops for many variants. Because why drop profit margin for one when both seem to be doing well. As it currently stands dropping the price that low isn’t going to appeal to board audience, they are already doing this with software anyway.
 
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Dcubed said:
Revisions are not the same thing as new hardware and you know it.

And no, you can't just ignore the original NX announcement; hell we already knew of several games that had been formally announced for the NX before it was actually given its final name (chiefly Dragon Quest 11). The console was first announced in March 2015; as "NX", just like how every single console Nintendo has ever made (excluding Wii U) was previously announced as a codename prior to release.

You have to announce consoles well in advance of release because you need lead-time for 3rd party developers, retailers, publishers etc to start ramping up support for your new system prior to release. That doesn't apply to revisions however, as it's not new hardware that needs bespoke software support.
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In the current climate, there’s no need for that. There’s a pandemic and there’s Work From Home, they would need to announce it like 3 or more years before the platform actually releases and we know they aren’t doing that.

Retailers don’t get a notice until a few months prior to the launch of a new piece of hardware and they generally find out with the rest of us when a piece of hardware will actually release.

Software development isn’t so tied to the hardware as it was with the Wii and the 3DS where they needed time like this. With the shortages, the pandemic and the WFH, it makes less business sense to simply jump straight to a new platform these days that is backwards compatible with the predecessor when the main game development was going to be there on the predecessor still for years to come as games get more and more complex and require a lot more time.


Developers need years these days to come to better grips with the new hardware, which is why a cross generation exists as the player base moves over and gives the platform holder and the third party plenty of time to be flexible.

The application that they need an arbitrary 1-2 years of announcement that they are moving on only applies in a scenario where A) the world is fine in which there is no pandemic or shortages or work from home order, B) the platform holder in question isn’t on their back foot where they have nothing but to come out and say “we aren’t leaving/dropping out, just wait a few years”, C) game development is cheap and simplified because let me assure you that 1.5 years for game dev is not really anything these days, unless it’s like a port that was gonna target the switch anyway, or an exclusive which doesn’t seem to be many or any?


But it even give off anything, Nintendo has been talking about the successor loosely/implicitly in their financial briefings for a little while already.


Granted, I’m not really saying it’s coming this holiday, just that this timing thing isn’t really applicable in this current situation nor does it make any business sense to apply a Situation that isn’t apples to apples as you would get a different outcome as a result.
 
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Golden said:
At some point in the generation profit margin will be lowered to appeal to a broader audience and sell software. They haven't had to do so yet, impressively, but i feel like with Wii Sport releasing this year they could be starting to lower their prices.
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They’re not going to lower their hardware prices this year. If anything it makes more sense to maintain the price because the onslaught of appealing software will be the hook to reel buyers in.
 
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My Tulpa said:
Why wouldn’t we know this?

Why would Nintendo get rid of the current models and their pricing points after 2022?
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I think ILikeFeet is referring to the V2 model and the OLED model, we don’t know if the V2 will actually stay.

It could be replaced and phased out in favor of the OLED model.

So they end up having 3 models at once to actually market.
 
Sam Albro said:
If this is a "Switch Pro," it could. If this is a "Switch 2," it would be like running a PS4 game on a PS3- powered system.
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If it’s running on the base switch when it releases on the switch 2, that would mean that it was using the base switch as the development platform and the game scope would support that. Switch 2 just benefits via backwards compatibility.

the same can’t really be said the other way around.
 
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Dcubed said:
indeed, the Tegra X1 was essentially the first Pascal device, despite being initially called a Maxwell chip
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This isn’t exactly true, despite having a few pascal features, well, only the mixed precision of pascal, the official documentation for the Tegra X1 that gets coded for is in fact Maxwell, not pascal.

AR15mex said:
I havent been able to keep up with all the posting, but its time for a new video from Nate and MVG.

Guys the cat is out of the bag, so lets goooo
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I actually am curious if MVG can even discuss this lol
 
Dcubed said:
That's bollocks.

Project Reality was announced in August 1993, a whopping THREE years before the N64's eventual release (recall that it was originally due to launch in 1995 before being heavily delayed).

Project Dolphin was announced in May 1999, 2 years and 4 months before the Gamecube's Japanese release.

The Nintendo Revolution was announced at E3 2004, and shown off in physical form (with the Virtual Console announced) the following year at E3 2005; 2 years and 6 months prior to the Wii's release!

Wii U was announced on April 25, 2011 and formally unveiled at E3 2011; 1 year and 6 months prior to its eventual release.

NX was announced in March 2015, formally unveiled in September 2016 and released in March 2017, 2 years following its initial announcement.

To take some non-Nintendo answers to this question into account as well...




I could go on, but you get the idea.

Nintendo always announce their next console prior to its formal reveal. That hasn't happened yet, and that means that any release before March 2023 is now incredibly unlikely as it wouldn't give enough lead-time before release. November 2023 is currently the most likely date (which also conviniently coincides with the end of Mario Kart 8 DX DLC support too).
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Yes. But those are nintendos next consoles. By name, shape and gimmick. This next switch will be still a switch and will be a member of the switch family. Regardless of how many tucktaped og switches it had. So the Switch 2/Pro was announced with a slideshow in 2015. It was called the NX.
 
Pagan said:
Yes. But those are nintendos next consoles. By name, shape and gimmick. This next switch will be still a switch and will be a member of the switch family. Regardless of how many tucktaped og switches it had. So the Switch 2/Pro was announced with a slideshow in 2015. It was called the NX.
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Thinking that whatever the next iteration of Nintendo hardware is won't have a new draw is an odd one. Nintendo will not be just releasing the Succesoe to the switch as a switch but with a better CPU/graphics card/ram at this point. They've not done that in decades and I don't know why anyone would think they'd start now.
 
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