StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST30 Mar. 2024| Famiboards Town-Square

[Suswave]

It's also flexible to where if you aren't smart enough to figure out the intended solve you can sometimes come up with hamfisted ridiculousness to just get through it.

Yeah I'm talking about me.

yeah one thing I will say about TotK — despite my issues with it — is that you really, truly can invent a fucked up way to do something and it’ll usually work

for instance I got tired of the… mmmm blobtopus? rematches and made a gigantic irrigation arm that would just spin at it and completely fuck it up while I plinked off arrows from on high

a truly miserable beyblade

 

[Suswave]

In unrelated news, my next thread will be titled "I Have A Bigger Backlog Than Yours"

I will win and I’m not sorry

edit: yeesh y’all, fucking up my bits by not posting enough to cut off my triple-post cadence. are y’all playing games or some shit?

 

[7threst]

I ranted yesterday about less and less people vaccinating their kids, contributing to a perfectly preventable outbreak of measles. Today? News broke that 4 kids died here the last few weeks because they weren't vaccinated against whooping cough. Ugh.

 

[meatbag]

News broke that 4 kids died here the last few weeks because they weren't vaccinated against whooping cough

That's what vexes me about anti-vaccine more than flat earthers and such. Children are getting compromised, and they shouldn't have to be. Frankly I think refusing to get your children vaccinated should be a criminal offense. I'm pretty sure it is a felony in some countries.

are y’all playing games or some shit?

No I'm just rolling in my bed and failing to fall asleep

 

[Suswave]

I ranted yesterday about less and less people vaccinating their kids, contributing to a perfectly preventable outbreak of measles. Today? News broke that 4 kids died here the last few weeks because they weren't vaccinated against whooping cough. Ugh.

I saw this coming in 2003, when my friend (whose mid hippie parents didn’t vaccinate him) literally caught whooping cough as a teen

shit’s been bad! the nineties anti-vax horseshit only growing — then multiplied by the mass weakening of our immune systems due to the ongoing COVID pandemic — means we’re pretty badly fucked right now!

 

[Green_Meeple]

not another sus imposter!

SUS in this case means Sistema Único de Saúde (Unified Health System)

 

[Mr_No_U]

sometimes i think but sometimes i think not

 

[Stilt Village]

sometimes i think but sometimes i think not

sometimes i sit and think and sometimes i just sit

 

[SammyJ9]

The last few days, I’ve been occasionally loading up one of my old TotK save files and cleaning up some unfinished shrines. And damn, while it was awesome to solve them the first playthrough, it’s even more exhilarating to try to find alternative ways and solutions for them this time around. Like, I love the ingenious puzzle design and all, but the game is so flexible that there is always an alternative solution to find for people who are smart and persistent enough. Always.

Last night, there was this shrine where you have to paste two logs and a rocket together on a wheel and shoot the rocket to make the wheel go off and propel the logs into a button. If you know TotK well enough, it takes less than 30 seconds to figure out. Yet, I decided to try to solve it without using the wheel the intended way, and spent almost five minutes fetching another log and lining up two logs to propel the third log into the button without relying on the wheel spin. The feeling of “are you fucking kidding me, that worked?!” is extremely addicting.

What’s so incredible about the game is that you can cheat and cheese your way through so much of it. It might feel cheap and easy, but the thing is that TotK actively knows that its mechanics can be exploited - everyone knows about the rocket shield skip, yet there’s a shrine that teaches you the rocket skip, almost to sort of nudge you into the idea that while it’s fun to play the game as “intended”, the true magic is to sort of figure out the alternative, secret and much more efficient solutions.

Daryl Talks Games says it better than I do, in an excellent video of his.

My favorite example of this was being extremely stupid and doing the Makasura Shrine "An Upright Device" in the worst way possible: I went toward Kakariko very early, so much so that it was before I understood that you activated all Zonai devices by hitting them and it was my first time encountering the Zonai Heads.

This is how you're supposed to solve it for reference:




So anyway, I (somehow?) didn't realize that the game gives you both active and inactive Zonai Heads and assumes you'll figure out that you need to hit them to activate them. I didn't grasp that yet, so I got to the part at the end using only fuse to use the already-activated Heads to solve the puzzles. But then I was stumped about how to cross the last final large gap - I screwed around with various ideas for probably 45 minutes and painstakingly moved every single item not nailed down in the entire shrine to that final gap, but even if you chain them all together it's not long enough to make a bridge to cross the gap. So I came up with my dumb solution: Chain them together vertically by using one of the already active Heads at the bottom to keep them vertical, then use the little lips in some of the L-shaped platforms to stop and rest and regain stamina periodically. I worked my way higher and higher until I was at the top of my makeshift tower, and then was just high enough that I could paraglide over to the exit.

A massive waste of time and effort to solve a completely non-existent problem . But The fact that I could make it work despite not doing anything as intended is pretty cool!

 

[chocolate_supra]

Frankly I think refusing to get your children vaccinated should be a criminal offense.

What's wild to me is that's what conservatives were insisting was happening. "Vaccine mandates," where it's illegal to not vaccinate your kids or yourself. They insisted Biden made it illegal (he didn't) and that was part of the thing they keep protesting against (and running campaigns on this year in fact).

They're literally protesting a thing that didn't happen, so they can frame themselves as brave rebels for not doing the thing that didn't happen.

 

[D36]

WHY DOES IT COST $640 TO ENROLL IN DRIVING SCHOOL?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[meatbag]

They're literally protesting a thing that didn't happen, so they can frame themselves as brave rebels for not doing the thing that didn't happen

Nothing shows bravery like dancing with deadly, otherwise preventable diseases!

Fuck anti-vax.

So I came up with my dumb solution

This is incredible! Thanks for sharing lol

 

[Mr_No_U]

WHY DOES IT COST $640 TO ENROLL IN DRIVING SCHOOL?!?!?!?!?!?!

we can't just let the poors drive

 

[7threst]

That's what vexes me about anti-vaccine more than flat earthers and such. Children are getting compromised, and they shouldn't have to be. Frankly I think refusing to get your children vaccinated should be a criminal offense. I'm pretty sure it is a felony in some countries.

Yeah, what irks me also is here a lot of "vaccine sceptics" are vaccinated themselves and reap the benefits, but carelessly compromise the health of their children because they read something on facebook and also think these diseases don't exist because "nobody in their surroundings ever got measles or polio". They really don't (want to) see that it is because of vaccines.

And so give "big pharma" the middle finger by compromising the health and the lives of their children. I really think it's criminal.

I saw this coming in 2003, when my friend (whose mid hippie parents didn’t vaccinate him) literally caught whooping cough as a teen

shit’s been bad! the nineties anti-vax horseshit only growing — then multiplied by the mass weakening of our immune systems due to the ongoing COVID pandemic — means we’re pretty badly fucked right now!

Tbe anti-vaxx movement has been really fringe here, up until Covid hit and social media turbocharged misinformation on vaccines. It's baffling to see since we have a very good vaccination program here which is free for all Dutch citizens.

Also good information is everywhere here, but lots of people, also fairly educated people, rather belief AnonSceptik63678 on Twitter than their own doctor.

Edit: and I really despuse the "health influencers" that actually convince their followers you can battle virusses with "love" and "hugs", really, that fucking happened here during Covid.

 

[VolcanicDynamo]

I will win and I’m not sorry

edit: yeesh y’all, fucking up my bits by not posting enough to cut off my triple-post cadence. are y’all playing games or some shit?

If they are playing games, maybe you will win after all..................

 

[Suswave]

No I'm just rolling in my bed and failing to fall asleep

lmao same

That's what vexes me about anti-vaccine more than flat earthers and such. Children are getting compromised, and they shouldn't have to be. Frankly I think refusing to get your children vaccinated should be a criminal offense. I'm pretty sure it is a felony in some countries.

okay, stick with me on this one — vaccination works, is important and crucial, and I am staunchly in favor. If more people were routinely vaccinated, I might stand a better chance of being able to be in public as an immunocompromised person.

vaccination is important. almost all anti-vax shit is horrible.

BUT — I vehemently disagree with making it forced like you’re suggesting. here’s why that’s fucked up:

black and first-nations people who are anti-vaccine really do have some basis — the US, UK, and Canada (plus likely others) have a long and horrific history of experimenting on marginalized people, including forced sterilization, untested vaccines, and the Tuskegee experiments

I don’t blame people who have been severely fucked over for having concerns

what happened is the fucking X-Files aired in the 90s and every hippie and deep right christian just ran with it, mixing the truth of historical racism with white-ass persecution complexes

I’d say that started the current fucking mess

and like. it’s really important to both operate with the good of people in mind, but to know that there is constant abuse of the healthcare system, and that it’s crucial to do research. a lot of people don’t realize they can still get and transmit covid even heavily vaccinated, and act like community care goes out the window the second you get a shot. It’s always both.

like. people have a lot of reasons to mistrust healthcare. and they’re valid reasons. it all has to be balanced, and if the last five years haven’t demonstrated to y’all that the CDC is happy to remove warnings against the recommendations of their own scientists — because it’s still a branch of a government that puts corporations far above people — then nothing will.

I have a million more things I could say on this but yeah. complicated as always. ruined by white people as always. you have to hold the information in parallel or it can all topple.

 

[Suswave]

SUS in this case means Sistema Único de Saúde (Unified Health System)

i mean I know… but that’s less funny!

 

[meatbag]

BUT — I vehemently disagree with making it forced like you’re suggesting. here’s why that’s fucked up:

I feel like American healthcare has become its own beast divorced from what I understand healthcare to be

 

[VolcanicDynamo]

SUS in this case means Sistema Único de Saúde (Unified Health System)

Healthwave has joined the chat.

 

[chocolate_supra]

i mean I know… but that’s less funny!

It's not less funny that the Sus knockoff is apparently a mascot for promoting a universal healthcare system which is still pretty goddamn on-brand for the real Sus

 

[Stilt Village]

My favorite example of this was being extremely stupid and doing the Makasura Shrine "An Upright Device" in the worst way possible: I went toward Kakariko very early, so much so that it was before I understood that you activated all Zonai devices by hitting them and it was my first time encountering the Zonai Heads.

This is how you're supposed to solve it for reference:




So anyway, I (somehow?) didn't realize that the game gives you both active and inactive Zonai Heads and assumes you'll figure out that you need to hit them to activate them. I didn't grasp that yet, so I got to the part at the end using only fuse to use the already-activated Heads to solve the puzzles. But then I was stumped about how to cross the last final large gap - I screwed around with various ideas for probably 45 minutes and painstakingly moved every single item not nailed down in the entire shrine to that final gap, but even if you chain them all together it's not long enough to make a bridge to cross the gap. So I came up with my dumb solution: Chain them together vertically by using one of the already active Heads at the bottom to keep them vertical, then use the little lips in some of the L-shaped platforms to stop and rest and regain stamina periodically. I worked my way higher and higher until I was at the top of my makeshift tower, and then was just high enough that I could paraglide over to the exit.

A massive waste of time and effort to solve a completely non-existent problem . But The fact that I could make it work despite not doing anything as intended is pretty cool!

My best "I didn't know about a mechanic so I did something completely insane instead" moment was in Jirutagumac Shrine. You were supposed to use a big skateboard to launch a fan plane. I had never seen these before, but at this point in the game I was very painfully aware of how impossible the planes were to launch unless they had a specialized ramp with the rails, so I didn't even consider attaching wheels to them and had no idea why the skateboards were there.



So given that, what I instead had to figure out how to do was smuggle the fan on the right side of the shrine to the big ramp at the top in order for my plane to be able to fly to the end before losing too much altitude. This ramp is the most obvious launching point to make it to the end, since it's the highest one and faces directly at the goal, but actually it has no part in the intended puzzle for some reason??? So you might think "why would you dismiss the whole skateboard platform as pointless", but uh, this whole setup, the centerpiece of the shrine, actually was just here serving zero purpose until I came along and decided it was the solution.

I flew over to the fan on a plane, then attached it and used Ultrahand to put it as close to where I wanted it as possible. Then I had to glide back over from the right platform and book it up the really tall ladder back to the top as fast as possible so I could use Recall to bring it back to its highest position, and just barely be able to snag it with Ultrahand from there so that I could pull it up, get on, and fly it to the end.

The video never even shows the parts of the shrine I used on camera apart from the platform with the fan. This is about as close as you can get to something feeling like an unintended exploit in this game without the use of glitches.

 

[chocolate_supra]

I feel like American healthcare has become its own beast divorced from what I understand healthcare to be

That's because it's not healthcare. It's a massive moneymaking racket that exploits poor and middle-class people in need and generates political influence and power for those at the top of the foodchain in the industry.

The doctors offices and hospitals are basically just a front at this point. And a dysfunctional one at that.

Just so yall understand how dystopian it is, ever heard of the concept of a "company town?" Well I live in one. And the company that runs shit around here is the local hospital.

 

[meatbag]

That's because it's not healthcare. It's a massive moneymaking racket that exploits poor and middle-class people in need and generates political influence and power for those at the top of the foodchain in the industry.

That's the word, it's a racket. Prices getting jacked up just so people up top get paid more. Really sorry you have to deal with all that.

 

[Suswave]

I feel like American healthcare has become its own beast divorced from what I understand healthcare to be

I think maybe you’re talking about the ideal of it against the reality. These problems are other places, in other ways. Health as a system is a group project led by humans, and therefore it is subject to the faults of humanity. You have to account for the fact that a lot of baseline eugenics shit came from the european buffet and flourished in the hands of colonists

 

[Irene]

My best "I didn't know about a mechanic so I did something completely insane instead" moment was in Jirutagumac Shrine. You were supposed to use a big skateboard to launch a fan plane. I had never seen these before, but at this point in the game I was very painfully aware of how impossible the planes were to launch unless they had a specialized ramp with the rails, so I didn't even consider attaching wheels to them and had no idea why the skateboards were there.



So given that, what I instead had to figure out how to do was smuggle the fan on the right side of the shrine to the big ramp at the top in order for my plane to be able to fly to the end before losing too much altitude. This ramp is the most obvious launching point to make it to the end, since it's the highest one and faces directly at the goal, but actually it has no part in the intended puzzle for some reason??? So you might think "why would you dismiss the whole skateboard platform as pointless", but uh, this whole setup, the centerpiece of the shrine, actually was just here serving zero purpose until I came along and decided it was the solution.

I flew over to the fan on a plane, then attached it and used Ultrahand to put it as close to where I wanted it as possible. Then I had to glide back over from the right platform and book it up the really tall ladder back to the top as fast as possible so I could use Recall to bring it back to its highest position, and just barely be able to snag it with Ultrahand from there so that I could pull it up, get on, and fly it to the end.

The video never even shows the parts of the shrine I used on camera apart from the platform with the fan. This is about as close as you can get to something feeling like an unintended exploit in this game without the use of glitches.

That one is one of many classic shrines to cheat. I managed to sort of drop the plane over the edge ahead of me, and Recall it back so that I could jump on it and go ahead.

I also did the Recall trick on another classic, the one where you're supposed to use blocks and fans on rails. Too much hassle, haha.

 

[YolkFolk]

 

[SammyJ9]

That's because it's not healthcare. It's a massive moneymaking racket that exploits poor and middle-class people in need and generates political influence and power for those at the top of the foodchain in the industry.

The doctors offices and hospitals are basically just a front at this point. And a dysfunctional one at that.

Just so yall understand how dystopian it is, ever heard of the concept of a "company town?" Well I live in one. And the company that runs shit around here is the local hospital.

I work in healthcare (sort of) so I am often in and around hospital laboratories and clinics. The biggest eye-opener that made me go "how is this allowed" is when I discovered (and I'm paraphrasing here since I don't remember the exact details) that oftentimes insurance will only cover 25% of the cost that hospitals have to pay for things... so the hospitals simply charge 4x that amount to customers so that the 25% the insurance covers turns into 100% for the hospital.

 

[meatbag]

I think maybe you’re talking about the ideal of it against the reality. These problems are other places, in other ways. Health as a system is a group project led by humans, and therefore it is subject to the faults of humanity.

Of course healthcare has flaws, like all systems do, but at least in the case of vaccinations I stand by my position that people should have their children vaccinated, barring specific circumstances

Of course, part and parcel of that is being able to explain why vaccinations are important to the people, what exactly they do for you and so on

oftentimes insurance will only cover 25% of the cost that hospitals have to pay for things... so the hospitals simply charge 4x that amount to customers so that the 25% the insurance covers turns into 100% for the hospital

Jeeeeeez

 

[Suswave]

That one is one of many classic shrines to cheat. I managed to sort of drop the plane over the edge ahead of me, and Recall it back so that I could jump on it and go ahead.

I also did the Recall trick on another classic, the one where you're supposed to use blocks and fans on rails. Too much hassle, haha.

that’s aMAZING

 

[Suswave]

Of course healthcare has flaws, like all systems do, but at least in the case of vaccinations I stand by my position that people should have their children vaccinated, barring specific circumstances

I agree. but what you said is forced and punishable — which is bad news and would destroy more trust than it would actually address the key issue

 

[Weebos]

Me: I really need to catch up on my Switch and PS5 games.

Also me: Digs the Wii U out of storage and sets it up for no discernible reason.

 

[meatbag]

I agree. but what you said is forced and punishable — which is bad news and would destroy more trust than it would actually address the key issue

Of course, I agree that implementing such a policy would result in a clusterfudge, which is why I would never seriously lobby for it

It's just really hard to see and hear about children dying from all these diseases mankind has found answers for decades ago, and not feel a little bitter

 

[Mr_No_U]

your face is currently the best selling game on amazon

 

[meatbag]

Me: I really need to catch up on my Switch and PS5 games.

Also me: Digs the Wii U out of storage and sets it up for no discernible reason.

That's obviously so you can also not play games on it

 

[Stilt Village]

your face is currently the best selling game on amazon

of course, it's the greatest in koridai

 

[Suswave]

Healthwave has joined the chat.

oh I know that one

 

[VolcanicDynamo]

oh I know that one

...so does "Crimewave" count as another Suswave, or...?

 

[Suswave]

Of course, I agree that implementing such a policy would result in a clusterfudge, which is why I would never seriously lobby for it

It's just really hard to see and hear about children dying from all these diseases mankind has found answers for decades ago, and not feel a little bitter

I agree, I’m furious. the kids deserve better.

and let’s not just limit that fury to children — immunocompromised and disabled people are all around you, begging to be allowed to live.

when you offload your fury to a carceral state — especially one that has demonstrated that it will punish the ones already being fucked over the most by this — you are only giving power to the same engine that created the core reasons for mistrust.

they’ve surely been misconstrued to high hell and are killing the vulnerable around us. and they’re killing the rest of us too.

but even if you aren’t an abolitionist — even if you believe a carceral state can somehow do enough good to outweigh its violent, bottomless bad — you have to have some awareness of the harm done, both historically and now.

these things are all connected.

it’s just foul out here. I’ve seen lots of people mad about the things I’m mad about say just goofy shit that misses the point.

rambling. clearly. probably the norm for me but I’ve also had a med adjustment so I have no idea if anything’s coherent!

just tread cautiously when you invoke shit like criminalization. think about who those systems benefit and how they’re being used and abused right now. it’s important! it all works together and if we stand half a chance — which… ehh — we should aim higher than multiplying the horrors when horrors abound

 

[chocolate_supra]

Happy Maris Day everyfami

 

[N75]

Was planning on going between Splatoon 3 and F-Zero 99 for a while, but decided to try the Unicorn Overlord demo….

Ended up getting the full game lol. Was suprised at how much I enjoyed it as someone one gave up 13 Sentinels. Maybe I should go back to that at some point?

 

[Suswave]

Happy Maris Day everyfami

the ides!

the ides of maris…

 

[Brofield]

It has now been 75 hours without internet at my condo. Earlier it was my entire building having intermittent issues starting Monday, but now it's just my unit that's been down since Tuesday. It seems like it's primarily a backend issue with Rogers but like...how fucking hard is it to update some numbers in a system?

I don't even have energy to process this frustration; it's just been a weird week/month/year and we're only halfway through March.

 

[AngryAlchemist]

Need Nintendo to release another video game asap so I can have an excuse to go to famiboards.com more

 

[theguy]

are you playing the game or is the game playing you?

 

[Mekanos]

Need Nintendo to release another video game asap so I can have an excuse to go to famiboards.com more

But the point of video game forums is to not play video games

 

[Red Monster]

Congrats to the new mods!

 

[AngryAlchemist]

But the point of video game forums is to not play video games

That's why I need Nintendo to release another video game, so I will talk about it not play it.

 

[palemire]

are you playing the game or is the game playing you?

if it's not fun, why bother?

 

[Raccoon]

when I was younger I listened to a lot of toto so now I hear it everywhere

 

[EvilChameleon]

I always thought the lyric was "I catch the waves down in Africa" instead of "I bless the rains down in Africa".